Do you guys think the hearing protection act will ever pass?

>>34182037
I mean fuck I hope so

>>34182037
probably not

>>34182037

Do niggers nog?

>>34182037
I hope not, it's shit

it'll get backburner'd to hell and back, then buried and forgotten.

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SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU OVER MY FREEDOM!!

>>34182037
The biggest reason I want it to pass is I think I'll probably be able to make my own just like a regular gun, easy no permission etc. I know you already can build cans today as long as you pay the tax stamp/get approval but it would be so much less of a hassle.

>>34182037

Probably not. There are so many Democrats and John McCains that it would be hopeful even with Republican majority. I would HOPE it would pass, but it's a stretch.

>>34182080
>I hope not, it's shit

We have to fight the gun control battle an inch at a time.

>>34182037
Doesn't have enough bipartisan political support.

Trump is a very lukewarm president on gun rights despite the massive amount of support for him on the part of the NRA and gun owners in general. The only remotely pro-gun action he's taken is to appoint Gorusch, and the only commitment he's made regarding 2A is to pledge "not to allow any laws curtailing it further." He has not said anything about deregulating silencers, pushing for nationwide CC reciprocity, removing import bans, or anything else of the sort. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as he hasn't been in office for too long as of yet, but I will absolutely hold his feet to the fire if he never does anything for 2A before he comes up for re-election.

Wouldn't it be easier to just have trump executive order the FBI background checks to be better funded and demand that they take a month at most to process each NFA background check or else shall issue? That's really the heart of the problem, not so much the $200 tax stamp but the 10month plus wait. It used to be 6 months or less.

>>34182089
The biggest reason I want it to pass is that playing mommy may I with my constitutional rights is a complete load of horse shit. Fuck the ATF, that organization is illegal, it shouldn't exist, it needs to be disbanded, and every one of it's employees tried for treason. You hear me ATF agents? No matter how nice you act, you are profitting from the oppression of the american people. You are using our tax dollars, to take away our rights, you are raping us coming and going.

>>34182162
>trump
>helping gun owners
Not likely.

>>34182179
seriously though that's the biggest problem, if we just got the wait period down to a month, there would be no problem really. If everyone make THIS the issue, I think we'd be way more likely to get it, make the issue number 1 the NFA background check wait times down to 1 month maximum.

>>34182179
He overturned an Obama regulation prohibiting people with mental conditions from owning guns

>>34182095
Removing suppressors from the NFA and the rest of federal gun control legislation sounds like an inch.

>>34182226
Well, if your talking about the bill regarding disabled vets that's a bit of an oversimplification. He signed a bill that allowed veterans who have been adjudicated mentally "incompetent" but not dangerous to be able to purchase guns.

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>>34182037
It has over 150 co-signers including 2 dems. We need to cleanse more dems from the house and senate, but it can still move forward if we don't fuck it up.

>gun rights
>ever improving
I don't think so.

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>>34182037
no. The tax stamp revenue is enough reason to keep it going. I bet SBRs would be legalized before the hpa.

>>34182434
The way the government works I wouldnt be surprised if they lost money approving stamps.

>>34182452
Didn't they make a big stink about having to hire THIRTY-THREE (OH FUCK) new workers just to process gun paperwork because of how behind they were?

>>34182037
hah. no.

no politician wants to risk election because a high profile event happens where silencers are used. media will have a bigger field day with that kind of thing than black talons or cop killer bullets.

>>34182429
Look I'm as pessimistic about our gov as anyone, but you can't deny that we've massively restored carry rights across the country the past few decades, and the fucking AWB is no longer a thing.

>>34182434
Except the amount of workers they have to hire to process the flood of paperwork for new suppressors outweighs all the supposed revenue that comes from the stamps

>>34182155
I think the NRA was campaigning for anything but Hillary.

>>34182481
Ya I remember something like that. I'd like the see how many were submitted per year before 41F was announced.

>>34182226
Not quite, it was more just an intentionally poorly written Bill by dems under the guise of you don't want mentally ill,people to,own guns right!? abut they defined it so broadly that old,people who can't manage their money count as mentally ill

>>34182037
it is more likely that the nfa itself would be dissolved, which alone is extremely unlikely for the next 3-4 terms or until we have another massive scale american war

>>34182037
Yes. It will. I'm pretty sure my reps will vote for it when it makes it out of committee. Can't wait.

>>34182083
>7 round mag limits

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>>34182095
We shouldn't have to, Trump could sign some executive orders right the fuck now and the republicans control congress and the senate. They just don't fucking care.

>>34182037
No, you delusional retard.

>>34182083
SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34182625
If it wasn't for bullshit mssa rules and licenses we would have better gun laws then you.

>>34182716
They ban earplugs over there too?

>>34182689
I don't think you understand how legislation works.

>>34182429
1994 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. BETTER GIVE UP NOW!

>>34182718
well ya dont and never will, soon even that penal colony below you will have better laws than you, you guys are going one way, and its the way of western europe.

>>34182754
Yea well um... FUCK YOU CUNT!!

>>34182730
just introduce a bill calling to repeal the NFA, they don't even have to make up new legislation

>>34182767
that couldn't get advanced through the senate.

>>34182037
I hope so, but figure there's no way in hell.

I thought the same with the 2016 election though and look where we are now. I guess I still have hope.

>>34182079
Do jews jew?

>>34182207
>if we just got the wait period down to a month
>1 month wait for stamps
yeah, I'd be fine with this too.

>>34182083
Hey guys, maybe if we just jew for 5 or 10 years maybe we can get the HPA passed, am I right kiwi?

>>34182155
> Trump isn't doing everything I think he should
Trump is also the president, not the house and Senate. The amount of things he has control over is quite small.

>>34182843
seriously I'm going to do more research and maybe make a thread on this in the future but if we just got trump and the republican congress to push for 1 month wait for stamps this would be HUGE and probably way easier to do. It needs to have a catch phrase too "One Month for Stamps" That sounds good actually.

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>>34182763
>Asspained Aussie

>>34182851
LEARN TO SAVE!!

>>34182434
There's roughly a million suppressors in circulation. That means that they've collected 200 million dollars since the NFA like 90 years ago. That's roughly enough to run the armed forces for 2 hours, so no, money is not the problem.

>>34182869
Aussie?!! The fuck I am!!

>>34182037
Had this discussion today. Honestly no, I don't think either of the HPA type bills will come to pass as law. A combination of a small support for it, a lot of political fuel used to make that ultimately small support happy, and the fact that there are a lot of other things the legislature will probably do or argue about doing with their time.

I think the next big wave of change for suppressor will be military vets getting issued them and then wanting them when they eventually return to civvy life. That would provide the kind of broad support needed to either simply the stamp process (going back to e-forms for example) or passing law.

nope

nothing pro gun will ever come from federal legislation. the republicans know they have a captive vote in gun owners. all they have to do is hold the line and they can claim they are doing enough.

the courts is the only place we can gain any ground. which is a problem because the SCOTUS has been refusing to hear any 2a cases. Even if Ginsburg falls over dead tomorrow and Trump gets another appointment. they are likely to not hear it or rule against us.

>>34182884
Oops, my filter was off.

>>34182879
When the NFA was introduced in 1934, the $200 tax was prohibitively expensive. That was the point. Now, a $200 fee is a minor inconvenience but in 1934 you could buy a brand new Ford Model 40 for $500-600.

Lets just hope that they don't decide to increase the price. We could be seeing $5000-10,000 tax stamps if they wanted to kill the entire NFA trading market.

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American law is stupid.

It's never been about what's right; it's only ever been about single answers to single cases.

That it's only ever been about specific answers to specific questions means that it will never solve any long-standing problems. It will never make anything better. If anything, lawyers and judges will only find ways to prove that it should all be made worse.

>>34183017
>Lets just hope that they don't decide to increase the price.
Well they'd need legislation to do that.

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>>34182037
Mark my words and screencap this post.

NOT A SINGLE MEANINGFUL PRO GUN LAW WILL BE PASSED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL DURING TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY.
NOT THE HPA, NOT THE REPEALING OF THE NFA, NOT NATIONAL RECIPROCITY, NOTHING.

Republicans are as anti gun as Democrats, they just won't tell you that until after they get elected on false promises to the 2A.

>>34183017
Shit I wouldnt care about the 5/200 stamps if I could just pay at the counter and walk out with my shit.
>>34183041
Taking money is easier than giving freedom.

>>34183017
At that point I say we just ignore the nfa.
What are they gonna do? Arrest us all?
And at that point I'd also cheer on and support anyone brave enough to throw away their life and Timothy mcveigh the ATF and any other federal agency.

>>34182945
Why aren't they hearing any 2a cases and why would they rule agains?

>>34183057
Well at that point NFA would be nothing more than another version of the NICS system with a $200 charge. It would defeat the entire point and I would never see them taking that measure instead of just abolishing it completely.

>>34183179
They already have my trust, they already know who I am...what they hell are they even checking that takes months to do?

>>34183101
we don't know

preference for government authority over personal freedom, not necessarily because they are against guns specifically.

>>34183235
They're obviously reading your 4chan posts and porn history.

>>34183247
But they ruled positively before with heller?
That wasn't that long ago even.

Also can't we just do what states about pot did and give the middle finger to the ATF?
I mean if cuck states like California can give low iq illegal welfare parasites protection and now free healthcare why the fuck won't my red state protect my right to protect my hearing?

>>34183282
would require a president that tell the ATF to not shoot all the dogs with in 7 miles of any business making silencers with in the state where they are legal.

14th amendment.

If people really cared about hearing, they'd have developed weapons that weren't so loud, lol

>Let's make these really efficient weapons, oh but they destroy the user's hearing every time they're used

>>34182429
They're improving at a state level.

>>34183282
> Heller
That was real basic shit though. All they said was that the 2nd existed in an incredibly basic form, fuckers still made it 5-4 if I remember right. The only limit that they set was that the government had to allow desireables handguns. Not specifically everyone can keep a handgun of their choosing in their home, but that everyone is born with the opportunity to reach an age where they can jump through government hoops to be left with a mandatory safety on their ten round mag limited government approved firearm.

It actually seemed to be going somewhere somehow, despite my extreme cynicism, but cynicism wins again.

I'm still waiting for the Donald to nominate a progun ATF director who will just get rid of the fingerprinting bullshit, I mean they can keep my prints on file but its utter bullshit you need FOUR FUCKING CARDS with every form, and bring back efile.

Also I think they should wrap the hpa with a gun control omnibus that makes the sbr/sbs barrel length 10", opens nics up to the public for optional use (ubc guise) and increases the cost of tax stamps slightly as a compromise to get Democrats on board, but it won't have much of an effect since cans and the common short barrel lengths would be free, other than seriously speeding up the paperwork process

>>34183235

A store with one of my suppressors waiting for approval closed. The ATF was able to send the store color duplicates of all the stamps, approved, that same week and the store was able to transfer all the items out to their owners.

Two months later I got the original stamp mailed to me by the ATF.


I swear they just throw papers into a fucking bin and randomly approve and mail a handful each day.

>>34183490
That fucking libcuck shill hasn't even responding to the repeal the nfa petition.

>>34183622
>expecting the White House to respond when the staff is too busy cleaning up after all the shit the orange baboon keeps producing

>>34183043
Honestly this

The only thing that's going to happen during his presidency is the series of lawsuits headed to the supreme court from anti gun states. The concealed carry law is at the supreme court and other laws in states like California are being challenged. I'm a California fag and a lot of the laws the recently got passed are being sued by the NRA, CRPA, and NSSF. If other states (i don't know if said organisations are doing the same in other states), can do the same then we can send them to the supreme court or even get over turned in their own state

I'm not a Trump fan by any means, and he's probably not going to do anything pro gun related, but it's better than what Hillary could have done

>>34182794
It may NOT, but goddammit, it proves to others that there are others that care.

>>34182689
We shouldn't have to, but we do. Deal with it. You sound like a fucking libertarian who sits and goes "I won't vote for this nearly perfect Republican candidate because they aren't absolutely perfect. Let a RINO or Democrat get in instead!"

You'd give up the war because you can't have your cake and eat it too. You don't deserve to have firearms.

>>34182037

yes, the GOP need it to ensure a high turnout in 2018 so they can wave SBR deregulation in 2020

>>34183832
Appointing a young conservative to the supreme court is all I expected. Anything else is icing.

Although I'd love to see him find a way to fuck over the 9th circuit

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>>34183080

>At that point I say we just ignore the nfa.What are they gonna do? Arrest us all? And at that point I'd also cheer on and support anyone brave enough to throw away their life and Timothy mcveigh the ATF and any other federal agency.

See, this is why anyone that visits this site is on a watchlist anon.

>>34185811
Seeing as how we're all on watchlists...

What's a good schematic/instructible for building my own suppressor? I'm gonna form 1 one anyway, but I need to know what kind of thing I'm going to make.

>>34183373
>what are integrally suppressed firearms

Regulated, thats what they are. 6/10 for making me respond though.

>>34185924
ATF go and stay go

>inb4 "information is free and legal etc etc"

>>34186987
It is though, it's perfectly legal to make your own suppressor which I might actually do as long as you get atf approval, pretty much the same as buying one. Acting like it's illegal is stupid and gives the liberals even more retarded ideas.

>>34182531
>>34182155
I think the firearms community was basically ready to fully endorse any Republican candidate after 8 years of Obama with the risk of at least 4 years of Hillary, just to get someone more gun friendly into office.

Nope. Another broken promise from Donald Drumph, The Cheeto Benito.

>>34182155

i dont think trump knows enough about guns or gun rights to even start trying to improve them, from the looks of it hes clueless about pretty much everything.

>>34188096
>another broken promise
When will people learn that campaign promises mean jack shit? They're just bones thrown at the Party's captive voting bases to encourage people to vote for you, nothing out there says you're legally bound to uphold said promises, and expecting a politician to fulfill a promise because of some ideological bullshit or whatever is idiotic.
Increasing gun rights is not in the federal government's favor, the republicans are just as anti-gun as the democrats, by virtue of inaction. The most they'll ever do is throw us the occasional bone, nothing sweeping will ever happen at the federal level unless being pro-gun rights is made a big issue for republicans again.

>>34187861
Im aware of that. Timing is just awkward and internet paranoia is real. As retarded and autistic as it is.

>>34187861
Why are silencers so expensive (like $600+ for a good one) when they're basically a durable tube with some baffles? Something like an AK or an AR with a lot of moving and complicated to machine parts I can understand, but a silencer shouldn't be *that* expensive. Is it because of limited demand due to the NFA?

>>34188406
It's a niche market and the suppressor companies can get away with screwing you.

Form 1 guys are building Titanium cans for like $200.

>>34188406
Guns are expensive in general. I'm sure they'd drop with the HPA. But when some muzzle breaks cost 70-100 bucks, they'll still be expensive for what they are.

>>34182037
Considering Trump is now defending anti-gun laws, not during his presidency at least.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/05/johannes-paulsen/trump-administration-fights-pro-gun-court-decision/

>>34188327
While your cynicism goes too far and oversimplifies the matter, you are right on captive voter bases. This has been in the works a while but after this election the Republican party is the White party and the Democratic party is the non-White party. Urban Whites have been manipulated to vote against their interests. Perceptions on race are unlikely to change dramatically any time soon, so at this point all voters are captive for the next couple generations as there is literally no reason to vote for the party that isn't yours.

>>34188606
>the article outright says the president usually always backs up the judicial status quo publicly even if they oppose it privately and work to undo it

Do you want more of the Obama years where the president says everyone in the world is working against him and he's just being bullied too much to get anything done?

>>34182037
WHAT? THE FEARING PRESS HAS AN ASS?

>>34188606
Anon, while I hold no hopes that the Trump admin is going to gain us even an inch over it's lifetime, did you actually read that article? They're upholding the Obama administration's supreme court petition because they are obligated to, not because they want to.

>>34188715
>the article outright says the president usually always backs up the judicial status quo publicly even if they oppose it privately and work to undo it
Who are you quoting? Also, the government didn't do that for the DOMA, why should they do that when it comes to guns?

>>34188745
Two people call you out on this and you pull out a "who are you quoting?"?

>>34182794
>>34182859
the republicans control the house. the republicans control the senate. They can revoke the filibuster and have already done it for SCOTUS noms. They can do whatever they want, they clearly dont want to

>>34183492
>ATF explicitly trying to impede and inconvenience you to prevent you from exercising your rights
no shit, this is literally what happens

>>34182689
>We shouldn't have to
sounds like the gunngrabers that felt they shouldn't have to inch their way after sandy hook.

>>34188992
Nice job not reading past the first four words of my post. Also, I posted that because the anon typed out a complete standalone sentence and decided that it needed a meme arrow in front of it when a capital letter and a period would have worked.

>>34189086

Not the anon youre responding to, but respond to this (>>34188741) you ass. The second poster that responded to
you without using "meme arrows". Stop deflecting and respond to that.

>>34189629
Again, read past the first 4 words of my post. Trump's justice department isn't obligated to do anything.

>>34182729
>WHAT?
>WHAT'S A BEER PUG?

>>34192005
>WHASSAT?
>NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY REAR LUGS

>>34189019
>They can revoke the filibuster
mcconnell has categorically said he will not do that, which is a good decision

>>34182716
WHAT DO YOU MEAN STEER YOU, I'M NO CAR

No one needs silencers, are you trying to assassinate somebody?

>>34182037
>>34182037
yeah but as a tack on bill to a larger one like tax reform

>>34182155
he is very pro gun you dumb fuck even his sons are vocally outspoken about gun rights

you niggers arent giving him a chance, just fucking be patient. how the fuck is he supposed to get the ball rolling on gun rights when every media outlet and every democrat congress rep is drawing up legal battles trying to topple him with russian conspiracy bullshit

jesus fuckign christ if youre not mature enough to see the man has a full plate at the moment just trying to get his cabinet picked as his executive orders get overturned by libshit radical judges, then you arent mature enough to own a fucking gun

>>34182945
>Even if Ginsburg falls over dead tomorrow and Trump gets another appointment
rolling

>>34183043
you couldnt be more wrong

trump is playing it smart and going for legislation with broad mass appeal, like healthcare and taxes. which need to be fucking done before this country implodes on debt and reckless dem spending

we just got a pro gun supreme court justice, and that was a fucking fight. the dems decided to be faggots and obstruct trump and force the rep senate to alter the rules again.

how will republicans win midterms when the dem campaign slogans will be "he made it easy for disgruntled workers to shoot up your office but couldnt get your children the medical care they need!"

>>34182172
>mommy may I with my constitutional rights
>He thinks silencers are a constitutional right

>>34183832
>I'm not a Trump fan by any means,
why the fuck not? hes killing it

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>>34195523
not him but silencers might not be a constitutional right, but a gun built with an integral silencer fulfills the criteria

>>34195538
so legally there could be a basis for regulating silencers, but there is no legal basis for regulating weapons that have a silencer built in as a feature of the weapon

>>34195538
>An integral silence
That word integral is a tricky one. So let me not assume what you mean and ask. Are you saying the gun can't fire without said silencer?

>>34195519
>the dems decided to be faggots and obstruct trump and force the rep senate to alter the rules again.
>waaah, the Democrats didn't agree to everything Trump wants
Jesus, the Democrats put up with much worse from the Republicans under Obama.

>>34195474
I don't know why you jump straight to assassination when I'm just trying to save my hearing and prevent any addition to noise pollution.

>>34182037
It won't. "Common sense gun control works both ways". Legalizing them is common sense. "2nd amendment people" whatever the fuck that means nowadays torpedo all the gun restrictions the dems put up regardless of how much sense it makes, now there's gun control that's good for the firearm owning community and it's gonna get torpedoed by the dems.

All Trump would have to do to decrease NFA wait times to a week or so would be to increase staffing for the approval process and issue an executive order that approvals must be done in a timely manner. He doesn't do it because he doesn't know/care and he's opposed to the government functioning even if it's beneficial for those who supported him.

>>34182490
I think this is the biggest issue right here

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>>34197917
You would think that jamal and Tyrone would have used a potato or bread loaf already. Just because the "silencer" wasn't manufactured doesn't mean that they haven't been used.

Pic related because we all know they get their gun knowledge from movies and shit.

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>>34199313
what would happen if you did that

obviously not to a revolver

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>>34188176
That's where you're wrong, friendo.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/21/donald-trump-shoots-ar-15-nc-law-enforcement/
>"This man can shoot."

Plus the fact that his two sons own a shit ton of guns and most likely have a whole room set up for them.

>>34182155
>I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
That ship has sailed for me but, then again, I expected him to throw the election for Killary so I voted third party just because. My state went solid blue anyway, I could have voted for spurdo and it would have made the same difference.

I didn't vote for him because I knew we'd be here with him licking Israeli and Saudi ass, tossing important shit out the window, and treating people's rights like they're garbage. ATF, NSA, and the DEA need to go, the IRS needs to get fucked, we need to audit the fed, slash the military budget, tell the rest of the world to fuck itself, and start recognizing the Bill of Rights again. Trump burned a bridge with me when he supported police forfeiture, so I'm glad he's revealing his true colors now.

>>34182689
>They just don't fucking care
They don't.

>>34182859
>The amount of things he has control over is quite small
Quit making excuses. Republicans are in control, Republicans have ROUTINELY promised to deliver on this shit and supposedly are 100% for deregulation. Well, they are, just not the kind of deregulation that gives power to normal folks.

>>34184326
Different anon here, but you sound like a bootlicker.

>>34195487
>he is very pro gun you dumb fuck even his sons are vocally outspoken about gun rights
Wowie his sons are pro-gun oh wow oh sweet that's so great except it means JACK. SHIT. Jack shit.

>just be patient reee
Stop making excuses. If he gave a shit about our rights he'd have hit the ground running, all he does is play golf and tweet about shit and jerk off a crystal ball with the Saudis. (who are not our fucking friends we should be bombing Riyadh ASAP for 9/11)

>he has a full plate
Oh, of that I am sure. The last time we had a president this fat was Taft.

>>34195519
>trump is playing it smart and going for legislation with broad mass appeal
Oh, like gun rights? The thing Republicans are almost universally all for?

>>>/reddit/ is where you belong.

>>34199534

lmao that article is pure propaganda and you're eating it right up. trump gives no fucks about guns, he only cares about making it look like he gives a shit.

>>34199534
>breitbart

lol okay

>>34189019
Yeah, like I said Trump. That guy was railing on trump, not the GOP.

>>34197628
LOL like what you dumb Reddit faggot?
UBC? MUH assault weapons bans?
Fuck off with your common sense bullshit you blueshare shill cuck faggot.

Go get raped by a pack of niggers.

>>34195538
Technically ever since the NFA a silencer is a gun. Of course the government would want it both ways.

>>34200696

you must be 18 or older to call

>>34182037
Ruger clearly does - they're selling an integrally suppressed barrel for 10/22 takedowns and chargers. Do you really think that Ruger of ALL companies is in the long term business of selling NFA items?

>>34200626
>Quit making excuses. Republicans are in control
Yes, the GOP is in control. Like I said, Trump doesn't have the power to do these things. I never once made an excuse for the GOP.

>>34200729
Trump certainly acts like he does, actually he's said as much both on the campaign and in office. As a unit, a "party" if you will, the people elected in 2016 have nothing stopping them from passing legislation that takes back our rights.

We elected them to do just that.

That is the point of an election.

>be me
>hear bleeding heart faggots crying about how the "Republicunts" are in control
>some feminist rees in the distance
>predict, accurately, that the doom and gloom will never happen because both parties are full of the same rotten people
>Trump will not deliver
>the GOP will not deliver
>we will have same shit, different day, now in neat red flavor

>>34182037
If anything is going off the NFA, it's silencers. In the internet age, it gets harder for Dems to pretend they aren't still loud as fuck and only protect the hearing of others, making them an objective good. This will be a good litmus test -- if it passes, we're in for good times. If it doesn't, we're still fucked for a decade or so when the wind might change again.

>>34200801
>it gets harder for Dems to pretend they aren't still loud as fuck and only protect the hearing of others, making them an objective good.

yeah but the only people who care about suppressors are gun owners. no one else even thinks about them. the HPA isn't even on peoples radar because its a purely hobbyist issue. no one is going to go hungry because they don't have a suppressor.

>>34200801
Also they're fully legal all over Europe. If their precious bastions of gun control think they're harmless, why would they care about us having them? I'm not worried about it getting rejected, I'm worried about it floundering out and disappearing.

>>34200937
That really isn't relevant though. They can abstain from voting, but that looks bad on something as touchy as gun control. If they vote one way or another, people will ask for justification. I'm not saying it will pass, I'm saying the opposition to silencers has no real ground anymore for what few people care. For that reason, they are the most likely thing to ever get removed.

>>34201014
>the opposition to silencers has no real ground anymore

bullshit, suppressors will always be seen as a device specifically for assassinating people. shit, you could take a suppressed .22 and go nuts inside a crowded hall and people would never know it was you shooting. all you'd have to do is fire from the hip. if suppressors were legal and easy to get a hold of it wouldn't be unfair to say they'd be used in terrorist attacks with good effect.

it'd be super great if the NFA was repealed but you simply are not going to see that happen any time soon.

>>34200783
> actually he's said as much both on the campaign and in office
And you believed him? He can't pass laws, that's all that I'm saying. I make no excuses to the GOP (which he is barely a member of, being registered dem over half his life and forcing himself on a party that didn't want him) I'm just not as mad as you are because this isn't my first Republican congress and I don't expect shit out of them. The last big thing they accomplished was allowing the AWB to sunset. Meaning they did nothing for us, as usual.

why would the .gov volunteer to eliminate a revenue stream/tax/gun control measure that gun owners enthusiastically support, $200 at a time?

>>34201100

pretty sure the money they make from tax stamps isn't that much.

>>34201109
look up the numbers, but either way what's the incentive for them to eliminate it?

>>34201073
Oh of course not, I never believed him for a minute. I'm saying though that he had an opportunity to demonstrate he was a ~political outsider~ and actually paid more than lip service.

I'm not mad, not by a long shot, I am disappointed that people still defend him. I suppose I've taken some comfort in the "I told you so" aspect and I don't expect for that to reverse, but I wonder what will happen when his full supporters have to face the music.

I imagine a lot of them will just pretend like this is all the Democrats doing.

The President cannot introduce legislation =/= the President cannot use the clout of his office to create public awareness about important issues.

In the same way that Reagan made defense a priority, Clinton made balancing the budget a priority, and Obama made healthcare a priority, Trump could make the 2A a priority. He has not yet, but I hope he comes around eventually.

>>34201140
>the President cannot use the clout of his office to create public awareness about important issues.

anything trump says people will do the opposite. that's what happens when half the country hates you.

>>34201100
200 x let's be nice and say 500,000 suppressors a year (there's still a little less than a million out there in the US over the last 90ish years so that's really fucking nice) that's 100 million dollars a year. Uncle Sam wouldn't think twice about using 100 million dollars as a cum rag. They misplace more money weekly in the middle east. That's half an hour of the military budget. And none of that counts overhead. It's the US federal government. It takes them 9 months to do what NICS does in 3 minutes plus file some prints away. I bet they spend 500 to get that 200 just because they hate the taxpayers.

>>34201179

especially considering shit like renewing your drivers licenses is about 60 bucks and thats a MUCH more streamlined process. hell getting a passport costs about a hundo.

>>34201132
>I am disappointed that people still defend him
I wasn't actually defending him though, just pointing out that that anon said that he was mad he wasn't doing things he literally can't. Trump has done exactly one good thing and that was Gorsuch. That's all as far as I'm concerned. I'll play devils advocate for him around far leftys because critical thinking makes then uncomfortable but I don't defend him.

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After Sandy Vagina look how fast it took the dems to draft the AWB 2.0 and try to ram it down our throats (Luckily it didn't pass)

Why can't the Republicans do that with pro gun legislation?
They have a majority in all areas of the government now, they can make it happen but won't.

Fuck 'em

>>34201179
>>34201195

Plus you'd generate A LOT more from sales and revenue tax since sales would jump significantly.

>>34195523
I guarantee you if the founding fathers were alive today they would allow us to have any weapon and accessory we want. Back then muskets and cannons were military grade weapons and they allowed it. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED FAGGOT

>>34201159
Maybe he should talk about how silencers are used in crime all the time and how completely silent they really are.
> The noise reduction is yuuggee, imagine one in the hands of a refugee. Scary.

Anderson Cooper would end up going to a range for a special, presenting all the facts and then blowing his own brains out on national TV.

>>34201232
>Why can't the Republicans do that with pro gun legislation?

because pro-gun legislation only makes pro-gun people happy while at the same time making anti-gun people furious. the best way to go is to consistently tell pro-gun people their freedoms are under attack and they should vote for you to keep them safe.

>>34201260
>the best way to go is to consistently tell pro-gun people their freedoms are under attack and they should vote for you to keep them safe.
This. People, this is how it's been done since the Romans and this is the way a republic will always be. It's a political theater, nothing more.

>>34201248
>aybe he should talk about how silencers are used in crime all the time and how completely silent they really are.

suppressors AREN'T used in crime all the time because its difficult to get a hold of one because they are regulated. just like how automatic weapons aren't used in crime all that often.

>>34201293
Read the whole post.

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>>34182689
Trump can sign an executive order to open the machine gun registry for new guns. The ass hurt from the media would be apocalyptic, totally worth it

>>34201311

i did and i wasn't entirely sure what he/you was trying to say

>>34201330
Read the post I was replying to, then read the whole post, then read the first post replying to this post.

>>34201343
Faggot.

>>34201343

too much work id rather just believe my headcanon where i totally btfo'd you with my post.

>>34201227
Sorry about that, I didn't mean you, I meant other people. There's idiots out there who think that he's Hannibal Smith and then there will be this moment where Trump chomps on a cigar and grins in satisfaction.

I'll defend him when it's necessary, the "Muslim ban" 2.0 was something I argued tooth and nail for against every regressive faggot in earshot. It was swatted down for bullshit reasons, and I was completely with Trump on that one. Gorsuch I'm mostly okay with, his views on abortion make me a bit uncomfortable. (I'm personally 110% for it because we'd be inundated with fatherless minorities right now without it)

>>34201364
Fine then TLDR; sarcasm.

> anon 1: everyone will do the opposite of what trump says
> anon 2: random bullshit (sarcastically) trump should say, followed by an insinuation that Anderson Cooper would correct him, Anderson Cooper being a mega gay super lefty that works for CNN would have to do this because Trump was wrong
> all anons benefit

>>34195501
That old bitch has lived long enough

>>34201402
Faggot.

>>34201419
Alright, well played. Faggot.

>>34201323
Can he actually do that?

>>34201293
Lol retard.
Suppressor are easy to make, regulation does nothing to stop suppressor proliferation.

Most crime is committed by spics and Nigs, both groups with low iqs.

>>34201522
Nah, Hughs ammendment is written law. It's a cool dream though.

>>34201686
What about making the ATF redefine 'machine gun'...defacto un-ban.

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>>34183385
>be born, raised, and pro-gun in California
>idiots voted in background checks and licenses for buying fucking ammo
California is a lost cause, isn't it?
>>34183447
Yep, unfortunately the Heller Decision is compliant with irrational gun laws (it's just a SCOTUS modern interpretation of the vague 2nd amendment).

Suuuuure you care about the 2nd amendment, politicians, lawmakers, and judges. That's why you want to tell people what kind of guns they can't own, based on cosmetics and useless magazine laws. The NFA already internationally restricts all the "scary" stuff, albeit being a bit wonky in terms with stuff like some shotguns, large bore rifles, barrel length, and of course, silencers.

But let's face it, the gun-grabbers just want people to bear no arms, judging by how much they're trying to erode as many of people's gun rights as possible.

>>34182905
>and then wanting them when they eventually return to civvy life.
Sometimes I think that, but then I think "what about machineguns"?

>>34201522
>>34201686
>>34201757
He (or Jeff Sessions) can declare an amnesty, which means that for a certain length of time new machine guns can be put on the registry.

>>34201954
I wouldn't say the Second Amendment or any of the first ten are vague at all. It's really just politics trying to manipulate people and obfuscate common sense by throwing so much nonsense out there that people talk themselves out of making sense. It prefaces the right by justifying it by showing how forming a militia, a dramatic reason but not the only reason we have the right, is necessary for a free nation; that is a sophistic point to introduce what is the actual God-given right: to bear arms. I would argue parts of it are unnecessary, we would have less problems today if it was just "the right to bear arms," but it's not unclear. I believe they intended the intro about militias to show just how serious they took it, that people should be armed enough to fight real military skirmishes. I'm sure if the Founding Fathers knew that their opening would disempower people rather than empower them, they'd take an editor's quill to it immediately.

>>34202183
Hmm...maybe not. Hughes amendment could supercede that

>>34202183
See>>34202406
Also if they could do that the next person would just have your address and the serial number and they could pull some court fuckery just like the ATF did with the auto sears that were made on time and registered late, albeit within the acceptable grace period at that time. I wouldn't take part in that shit even if they could pull it off.

>>34200626
>>34200626
youre an idiot, and a young one im going to guess...22?

>>34203241
>obvious projecting
Add a decade to that figure, sonny. Then go fuck yourself.

>>34182155
>Trump is a very lukewarm president on gun rights
It's 6 months in and he's spent every day dealing with the left trying to delegitimize him and oust him from office. Give it some time.

>>34182859
Hey could repeal the 89 EO import restrictions that Bush Sr. put in place.

>>34204303
Never-mind, apparently that wasn't even an EO, George H.W. Bush just "declared" it and the ATF changed the rules/their interpretation of the sporting clause from the 1968 GCA.

>>34189019
No they can't, they need 60/100 to stop a filibuster

>>34182864
>wants stamps in a month
>also wants ATF to do every application by hand/paper because a computerized system would be literally Hitler
>and god forbid we raise taxes to help pay for more people

Hey guys, I just wanted to remind you that the politicians don't actually give a shit. That's right, the republicans don't actually care.

>>34182836
do yous (you)?

>>34200626
You seem fucking clueless as to how politics work.

>>34201055
So if something is illegal people won't do it? Cool just make crime illegal and no one will commit it