Pat McNamara is Officially Fucking Clown Shoes

>>34181368
Not every gun owner has the same views on laws, anon. Don't worry though, we still love you.

>>34181368
say "2-3 day waiting periods are fine"

Stop being an autist. He isnt screaming it or voting on it. He is just saying that it wouldnt bother him.

>>34181368
He is right

>>34181453
>>34181435
This. I agree with waiting periods, to an extent. I think 3 days should be the max, and I also think there shouldn't be a waiting period if you already own a gun or have a CCW

>>34181368
2-3 days working periods are absolutely fine.

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>>34181408
That shit really doesn't fly anymore. There is no more compromise. You're either on the "shall not be infringed" bus or you can GTFO especially if you're trying to make your living off the 2A.

He's probably for mandatory training too. Not because he makes his living off training but "for the children".

>>34181435

Ask californians if they feel infringed by waiting periods.

>>34181408
Shall not be infringed

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>>34181435
>"shall not be infringed after the three day waiting period"

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>>34181466

Shareblue up in this motherfucker already? Jesus you guys should get a bonus!

>>34181475
Is it compromise when both sides are cool with it?

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>>34181368

I'm honestly half convinced this was edited to make it look like he was saying the exact opposite of what he was really saying.

>>34181368
Are there stats that support the idea that people get pissed, go buy a gun and ammo, then commit a crime right after? Or is that just a theoretical that scares politicians?

I think a three day wait is bullshit, especially because I've gotten plenty of random "holds" on my gun purchases in the past...but for some reason it's ONLY happened at Cabela's.

>>34181488
Are you fucking kidding me? Your average shariablue would absolutely settle for nothing less than months of waiting. 3 days by comparison is nothing. Also, if you're gonna meme the "shall not be infringed" mantra then you should also be comfortable with former violent felons owning firearms.

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>>34181368
Universal background check = registration = confiscation within a generation. Fuck anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

>>34181475
>Ask californians if they feel infringed by waiting periods.
CA here! Ten days is excessive, but I agree with waiting periods overall. I think that 2-3 days is fine, and I agree with background checks, as long as there is some form of actual appeals process

>>34181487
Oh please, The constitution is already infringed upon, And nobody has done anything.

>>34181368
>spends like 20 years working for the government
>anons are surprised he supports them controlling shit

L O Fucking L

>>34181519

This is why we tell you fucking niggers to stay in california where you belong, and keep your """pro gun""" ass out of the rest of america

Background checks and waiting periods should be mandatory for first time gun buyers

Also, what does everyone mean by "Universal Background Checks"? Clearly everyone has different interpretations of what this means.

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>>34181466

faggots

>clear 4473
>now wait 2-3 extra days because >new laws
>new laws don't satisfy antiguns
>they're back with more laws you have to fight
>but now you have shit arbitrary pointless waiting periods that will never go away because you were faggots.

and pat mac is clearly a faggot too

>>34181487
Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.

You don't go to a movie theater and start screaming MUH FIRST when people tell you to shut the fuck up.

>>34181515
then why have a waiting period at all?
If I can pass a background check then there is NO reason to delay my pruchase

>>34181515
Gun grabbers take any inch you give them fucktard. They may want 3 months but if your candy ass is gonna give them 3 days they will take that shit. You might be young and idealistic or a fucking shill I don't know, but anyone advocating ANYTHING gun grabbers will be behind is kidding themselves if they think they are pro 2A.

>>34181498
Both sides aren't cool with it because one trainer/entertainer former government "special one" says he's on board with team oppression.

>>34181567
He just literally stated the reason for it. It's literally meant to dissuade hotheaded lunatics from acting on impulse. Or do you have a better solution?

>>34181564

>Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.
Yes it is.

>You don't go to a movie theater and start screaming MUH FIRST when people tell you to shut the fuck up.
The bill of rights limits the power of the government, not people, you retarded autist.

>>34181546
Moving to arizona in the summer, try and stop me faggot :^)

>>34181564
This could be the most retarded comparison ive ever seen and ive been here a long time.

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>>34181549
Fuck the trolls are out in force yall. LAWLS BLAZE OPS BURN IT ALL DOWN.

>>34181551
It means EVERY gun transaction has to go through the governments hoops. No more private person to person sales, no more lending your buddy a gun.

History shows up that:
REGISTRATION = CONFISCATION

>>34181588

Better take the california plates off your car, or there's a good chance someone will.
Not even joking.

>>34181564
>Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.
Yes it is. It is making your right into a privilege. By delaying it, they are controlling your access to your right, making it not a right anymore because it's at someone else's discretion besides your own.

>>34181564
>Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.
>well just delay your right to trial until you die
What a well thought out argument

>>34181608
>Calls CA niggers
>Threatens someone with violence for not being from the right 'hood'

>>34181551
Most common definition means that private sales/transfers would now require a NICS (I think that's the acronym) background check instead of only ffl transfers. Of course all this would accomplish is slightly increase the revenue for gun stores since they will have people making a private sale coming in to perform the check. Criminals will continue buying and selling guns without complying.

Are we being raided by Reddit

>>34181587
>Yes it is.
Good argument.

>>34181612
>Yes it is.
Good argument.

>>34181613
Also not an argument.

>>34181616

All humans are tribalistic in nature. Get over it.
And there's literally nothing wrong with committing violence against an enemy of your people.

>>34181564
Define "infringe", then.
It is used to mean, "act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on".

It is definitely infringing.

Dude is entitled to his opinion. I'm entitled to never take a class, advise other people not to, and to not buy any product he endorses/is a spokesman for and to reach out to the companies he endorses and tell them why I won't be buying their products.

hes a manlet

>>34181624
And it is defacto registration. Private transfers are the only way to have a gun with no paper trail. Gun grabbers wet dream is universal background checks because then it's one small law making all FFLs turn their 4473s over to the government for cataloging every month...

>>34181636

>doesnt make an argument
>complains the people replying to him didn't make an argument

Really activates my almonds

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>>34181564
>Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.
Sorry nigger but there's a delay before you can own this here weapon, it's what the law says
It's just a delay, I'm not infringing on your rights :^)

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>>34181644
>an enemy of your people
pic related

>>34181659
If I didn't make an argument originally then whatever anyone said to me sure as hell wasn't an argument either, numbnuts.

>>34181636
A claim made without evidence etc, etc

>>34181636
I followed "Yes it is" with an argument and reasoning. Not my fault you're an illiterate statist.

>>34181649

I wouldn't be so quick to judge him based on a comedy central interview.
They've been known to deceptively edit these all the time.

>>34181519
If you're in an anti-gun state with anti-gun judges, what will appeals get you? How long until the background check and appeal streamlines into a judge saying "You don't immediately fear for your life? No gun"?

I'm willing to compromise.

I'll accept background checks. Free ones. I call up a hotline, give a name and state and they tell me if that person can possess a gun. No cost to me and not mandatory, just a service.

In exchange for this compromise I want national carry reciprocity. Removal of sbr, sbs, aow, machine guns, and suppressors from the purview of the nfa.

I'll even compromise on mandatory training...so long as it's federally subsidized and consists of a required marksmanship class and safety class in high school. Preferably with current or surplus military rifles and handguns. State and national level competition should also be encouraged.

>>34181580
>hotheaded lunatics
if they have a history of that kind of shit they most likely won't pass a background check
even if they do, FFLs can still deny a purchase for any reason

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>crimes of passion

quite frankly 2-3 days is enough time to not only plan out the murder, bu find a hidey spot as well. People stew and simmer when theyre angry, not everyone just cools off after a few days. Theres also the fact that nothing is going to stop them from getting angrier about having to wait and then going home and taking a butcher knife to their target. Its a cliche but people are gonna kill people with a rock and a piece of chicken bone if the have to. Ive seen how pissed people get over having to redo the 4473, them having to wait 2-3 days would make some people take their car through a shopping mall

>>34181672
You see the pic in OP? That's independent verification from the man himself.

>>34181580
Prove most crimes are an act of impulse.

>>34181663

thanks for the meme

>>34181675
I won't compromise shit. Fuck that and fuck your retarded ideas.

How about this, they can start with background checks, civics training and a written test before you're allowed to vote then we'll talk about "sensible" gun laws.

>>34181674
I was thinking appeals was more like a psych or a parol officer signing off on it, not a judge.

>>34181675
>mandatory training
>You MUST bring your face, name, and weapons to a government facility for "approval"
Why don't people learn? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is phrased so adamantly for a reason.

>>34181709
Being depressed (everyone is depressed) can be reason enough to deny you. Psych evals should not be treated as legal documents. Psychology is not a science.

>>34181702

Please point out where anything I wrote has a litmus test for owning a gun or infringes on that right in any way.

>>34181712
he pretty much stated that he would be cool if it is a hs class subsidized by the gov

>>34181674
Maybe. But unless he publicly comes out and says something against what Comedy Central has aired if I want to train with a gun celebrity I'll go with Haley or Vickers

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>>34181588
Fuck off you useless leftist piece of shit. Don't bring your retarded draconian Calispic laws here.

>>34181737
Public schools are government-funded buildings, they will have state or federal officials at those classes, no doubt.
>>34181744
I'm not sure what that had to do with my post, but I still think Mac is a very good teacher with good ideas. I wouldn't jump ship completely, I just wouldn't support him financially.

So here's a scenario for the "waiting periods are fine so long as they don't exceed some arbitrary length of time that I feel is inappropriate crowd".

Let's say you have a irl friend (bear with me) that's a noguns and therefore has no CCW to work around a mandatory three day waiting period for all new firearm purchases. Let's say your friend has a reasonable concern for their well being in the immediate future: they've been receiving sexual or aggressive text messages from an unknown number and since real life isn't like CSI: Miami, the cops cant just magically trace the number to the creepers house. After filing a police report, your friend decided he/she wants to buy a handgun to keep in their place of residence

Why should your friend have to wait three days to purchase a firearm if they're living with a valid threat to their safety? Do you just hope that the creeper fucks off or at the very least, waits three days before approaching your friend?

universal background checks are bullshit. i can buy whatever i want from other individuals government fuck off reeeeeeee. 3 day waiting period is retardation.

you faggots can justify this shit all you want. all they are trying to do is make buying a gun more work than the average person will do.

>>34181774

A safety and marksmanship class to graduate high school is not the same thing as a required class to own a gun.

>>34181368
Fuck him and his roids

>>34181794
this situation is probably more common than murders the day after buying a gun

>>34181804
>mandatory training
>not required to own a gun

>>34181797
anyone who doesn't have this opinion is a pussy faggot with a small dick

>>34181475
Californian here, yeah I feel my rights are infringe when I have to wait for 10 days for my long gun purchase, and wait 30 days for each new handgun purchase plus the 10 day waiting period. Then there is the roster of allowed handguns which inflates all of our handgun selection.

>>34181466
The only reason I even semi support a three day period (only if you haven't bought a gun though) is for suicidal people to give them time to come down. But even then, only like a day tops.

>>34181463
How are they going to know you already own a gun? Just come out and say you favor registries too, you fucking bootlicking Shannon fucker.

>>34181368
>deter crimes of passion
Most crimes aren't crimes of passion though.

>>34181864
You will not infringe my rights because of the actions of criminals or the mentally defective. If someone wants to off themselves they will find a way and I'd rather they get it over with so those of us who can hack it can get on with enjoying this life without their bullshit.

HANDS OFF MY FUCKING CAKE, PAT MAC!

>>34181817

Progun side says mandatory training is an infringement. Antigun side says they want it.

The compromise is a federally subsidized high school class. Anyone that graduates now has training unless you went to a private school or didn't graduate. You now have more trained people in the population without prohibiting ownership for those who didn't take the class for whatever reason.

This is how compromise works. Antis get some of what they wanted with the class, proguns get a larger population familiar with guns with no prohibition on ownership.

>>34181864
>implying any future suicide doesn't know about exit bags by now
S H A L L

>81 posts, 30 posters
>ITT: Pat Mac and /k/

>>34181368
damn, that sucks

>>34181905
But that isn't a compromise, or at least won't be seen by one. If it isn't a restriction, it isn't "responsible gun laws." How it will actually turn out is exactly like getting a driving learner's permit: go to the high school (minor) or community college (adult) and take a state-mandated course with approved educators with a minimum amount of time investment and a passing grade required to pass. That is registration.

>>34181580
>muh crimes of passion
How about just background checks and waiting periods for niggers and beaners? They commit a lot more crimes than "unhinged loose cannon hot heads"
Or would the left not support that kind of gun legislation

>>34181636
>the sky isn't blue
>yes it is
>not an argument
This is literally you

>>34181931
How the fuck is it registration if you do it regardless of whether you ever purchase a gun you retarded nigger.

>>34181931

I never said Antis would go along with it. In fact they'd probably call it "training our children to kill!". This is my compromise. No prohibition, no registration, just tax funded voluntary training. If they want people to have training then they need to offer it at no personal cost on a voluntary basis, because fuck litmus tests for a right.

You take American history and civics in school and you can still vote even if you didn't pay attention or dropped out. Same concept for guns.

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>>34181915
NOT

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>>34181665
If you didn't make an argument originally, then why would anyone owe you an argument?

Take this smug anime girl, it's the best I can do.

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>>34181519
This is your average "liberal gun owner"

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>>34181516
This

Fuck Pat. I can go buy a gun legally or illegally like the rest of America. Plus you do not need a gun to murder someone (see London).

>>34181521
I don't know if were on the same plane, but this country is circling the drain, and has been doing so since well before our current prez

>>34181549

Nope

Get fucked Commie. That is your trick into confiscation through registration.

>>34181557
my nigga. No more compromise, more deregulation.

>>34181551
It means banning face to face private sales without an FFL. That's literally all it means - it would make shit like Armslist a no go unless you both trek to a local gunshop and pay a 30 dollar FFL fee.
I can actually give Pat Mac the benefit of the doubt on this one in him not knowing exactly what it means, i'm not too happy about advocating a waiting period.

Why do you think CC would go to a guy like pat mac in the first place?

If he said no to all of that and instead suggested he wanted mandatory training it'd be different.

Either way the gun community is going to either eat him alive or ignore him now - likely the latter

>>34181854

40 day waiting period for a pistol?

I thought some NC counties were crazy at 7 days, and that shit is bullshit.

I can't buy a pistol, but I can buy an AR-15 instantly. It's just a way to take your political power.

Buy 80% Glocks and ARs and learn basic machining if you live in a cuck state

>>34182113
If you purchase a new handgun from a gun store, so not a PPT, then yes you are limited from buying another handgun for 30 days + 10 days for the waiting period.

>>34181368
That's real saddening to me. I'm very disappointed in PatMac.

I disagree with patmac on waiting periods but some of you fuckers are children that can't deal with other people who have different opinions.

>>34181580
You want to delay a fucking hothead then there should only be a one time waiting period - ie for the first gun purchased - the first 4473+NICS a person does.
California has a 10 day for EVERY FUCKING GUN PURCHASED FOR FUCK SAKES.

There is no, literally no fucking reason to reciprocate the waiting period past the first purchase.

This shit is fucking bullshit and the logic falls apart - someone with a gun already has a gun so why would they go to a gunstore to buy another gun to shoot somebody in a hotheaded fit of rage?
And quite fucking frankly anyone with a brain going to use a gun in crime is acquiring that gun as far away as possible from a NICS check

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>>34181368
nibble by nibble the cake was slowly gone..

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>>34181675
I will give them nothing, the American government cannot and should not be trusted.

It is a conflict of interest for the federal government to decide who may or may not own firearms.

In order to be operating properly we also need machine guns and explosives.

>>34182107

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, just look at Washington DC. Literally 1 FFL in the district ran by an anti-gun fuck who refuses transfers at a whim and is appointment only.

No problem with a waiting period and background checks.
I don't have to deal with either of them and they keep assholes from easily and legally purchasing weapons. Why not make it hard on people who suck at living in a society? boohoo I have to wait 3 days because I'm too lazy to get my CCW.
muh freedoms :(
lame asses living in your parents basement with autism

>>34182158
Oh fuck that noise, I thought CA was bad, but we got quite a bit of conservative counties that are more accepting of gun rights, not that they will break the laws but they understand our 2nd amendment plight.

>>34182165
>I don't have to deal with either of them and they keep assholes from easily and legally purchasing weapons.

Cool lets take a look at Cali's waiting periods:
10 day wait for any long gun
30 for a handgun
REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY GUNS YOU OWN.
4th handgun and still clear NICS and not a crook? Fuck you wait 30 days

20th Rifle? Wait 10 days asshole scumlord.

Any logic behind a waiting period is soundly defeated once the gun owner has progressed beyond his first gun and handgun, and then it moves into a clear infringement

>>34181546
Different CA anon here, don't lump us all in with this faggot. The only possible way waiting periods make any sense at all is for first time gun buyers, and even then I'm against them. They're even more retarded for those that have a CCW license, or those that have guns already(I'm not gonna buy a whole new gun to murder someone if I already have 7, I'll just use one of those).

>>34182154

Correct, which is why the post you are replying to contains no prohibitions or government control beyond offering voluntary services.

PROTIP: UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS are a fucking lefty meme.

What they are really trying to regulate is how and to who you can sell your personal property to within the confines of state lines.

>>34182259
Dude just fuck off with your unrealistic "give antis what they want but only in name so we are not infringed" That shit will never happen and you are a fucking troll trying to look smart.

"we'll give them gun control but the law will say we control the guns"

You're a faggot.

>>34181931
People like you are responsible for the degree of politicization and gridlock permeating politics in >the current year

>>34181811
The scenario I made up was based on a true story, much like all Tom Clancy novels.

In all seriousness, the three day wait is and always has been a meaningless concession to the left. It has never stopped someone from committing murder (not that you would even be able to measure such a thing) and has only harmed those who may have been less proactive than the rest of us when it comes to personal safety.

I can try to find the article, but there was a woman from NJ who ended up getting a restraining order against an abusive partner. She realized that a piece of paper with stern words wasn't much of a deterrent, so she goes and tries to buy a piece. Ends up getting beaten to death during the wait to pick up the gun.

>>34182154
The path were headed down were either going to need extreme reactionary change or the .gov will cease to function in it's current form - balkanization

>>34182292
Am I getting in the way of the future, Dianne?

>>34182291

Congrats on getting the point of my posts, agreeing, and still somehow being mad about it.

>>34182292

I thought that was a combination of gerrymandering and RINO/Progressive collusion.

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>>34182129

Here's my story on "fuck Pat in his stupid fucking ass"

NC's pistol permit system is up to the Sheriff's whims. You must have a permit to buy any pistol and surrender it at purchase. The Sheriff can literally enforce arbitrary additions to current Federal Law due to "a good moral character" clause including time, race, or any religion. The county level check is literally the Sheriff Department calling NICS like an FFL and charge $5 for it.

i had a minor misdemeanor when I was 19, but nothing that would disqualify me from own a firearm.

One county would not issue a pistol permit to me, and said I had charges in Texas. When I proved I've never been to Texas, they blew me off saying that they had to wait until trial.

Next county did the same thing saying the charge was there, and needed to be expunged before they would issue one.

Next county issued me 5 permits in 5 minutes. Took the CCH class (recommended by the Sheriff since major gun-friendly who had stolen Thompson put in display instead of destroyed), and got issued my CCH by the state bypassing all this shit.

CCH expired and moved back to county #2. They finally issued me permits, but they take 1 week period for anybody in the county. Haven't taken CCH class again because about to move and process takes at least 30 days.

During this whole 5 year period, I bought 20+ shotguns and rifles from my local FFLs. I was not prohibited by ANY Federal Law from buying and owning a handgun.... but NC's Sheriffs can stop anyone from owning a pistol if they are anti gun.

NC Sheriff Departments doesn't want to get rid of it because they are getting $5 to run a NICS check depending if pro or anti plus we are shall-issue for CCH which bypasses all this hassle.

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get the fuck out and kill yourself

>>34182323
Yes, because holding onto maximalist positions instead of aiming for tit-for-tat compromises means that, when a critical mass of anti-gunners exists, everything you like will get rolled over. See Religious Right vs LGBT movement.

>>34182326
>I thought that was a combination of gerrymandering and RINO/Progressive collusion.
>muh RINOS

Conservatives had 7 Years to come up with an Obamacare replacement, which also solved the problems that Obamacare was supposed to address. They failed utterly.

As it turns out, idolizing government disfunction and demonizing policymaking (muh small government muhfugga), means that you don't actually come up with viable alternative policy.

>>34181557
This. There is literally nothing that suggests some waiting period does a fuckimg thing to prevent violence. Just more pointless control for,the government brought to you by Fudds and democrats

Motherfucking reddit commies and paid shills up in this thread hard as fuck pretending they're gun owners

We aint buying what you're selling, faggots

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>>34181675
>yfw this service is used to discriminate who can and can't be employed by a business.

>>34181797
>all they are trying to do is make buying a gun more work than the average person will do.
This.

>>34182374
Everything you like will be rolled back. Tit-for-tat only works if the other side is playing fair, which they aren't and we shouldn't be either. Either we hold to the correct, traditional interpretation above all else or we play their game and compromise, say we won't go any farther, then go farther when we can.

>>34181488
My exact thought. That's right out of their playbook- send 3 or 4 anons to start a thread and then direct the narrative. I got about 6 posts into this thread and saw the pattern unfolding.

>>34182439
> Everything you like will be rolled back

Nah, just grid locked forever. Which is fine by me. Then the individual states can do what their own citizens vote for, and I can move where I find the best options for me and mine.

>>34181498
No, motherfucker, I want my cake back.

>>34181466
What, exactly, is the purpose of a waiting period?

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>tfw bought Benelli M2 and tube extension at 18 in Wyoming, and all I needed to was wait 5 minutes while the guy in the back made a phone call to the FBI
Feels good. I need to move back to that state.

>>34182423

Holy shit someone came up with an honest critique rather than not reading and just screeching "SHALL".

That would be an issue. I'm not sure what the law is even state to state on discrimination based on felony convictions. A more effective way of clearing that flag after time served would fix the potential for abuse.

>>34182423
HR already does it when you apply. Conviction records are public record unless they are sealed.

>>34182485
See there is no need for discussion past SHALL.

Fuck antis. Not one inch. NO FUCKING DISCUSSION I WANT ALL ME CAKE BACK.

>>34181408
>http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/vek0yl/stand-up-jordan-solves-previews/tmcgtz
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GrC please go.

>>34181368
>Deter crimes of passion or acts of spontaneity
Has this actually happened more than a handful of times? I feel like this happened once in California so now it's part of the gun grabbers repertoire of shit to stack in a bill. If the person is pissed off enough to drive 30 minutes to an hour to their nearest gun store, wait in line, pick out a gun, do the background check and wait for clearance (sometimes hours because NICS is so fucking shit) just to kill someone they'll either A) just grab a knife out of the butchers block, or B) still be that pissed off days later. Fuck you Pat, I thought you were cool.

>>34182482
supposedly stops no guns from flipping their shit, buying a gun and going for a personal score on a gf or school or whatever.

>>34181507
>Are there stats that support the idea that people get pissed, go buy a gun and ammo, then commit a crime right after?

You can find stats that support both sides, depending on how they're spun.

My personal opinion is, waiting periods are bullshit. The initial premise is based on thought crime. It holds that all gun owners are guilty, until they prove otherwise.

>>34181435
The fuck is a few days going to stop except a reasonable transaction time?

>>34181675
If we had a government that could be trusted I would have no problem having a setup like the Swiss do (I'm only moderately familiar with Switzerland so don't go full autist on me. Their gun culture and sense of communal responsibility is something I'd like to see in the US. Their gov seems to respect them as people and as gun owners).

However the US gov can never be trusted. There are people and factions who's sole purpose is to expand their own power base. They're exactly what the 2A was written for, but until the population as a whole gets their heads out of their asses the US gov should never be trusted for anything.

>>34182553
>a government that could be trusted
>thing that has never existed in any timeline

>>34181435
>Already own guns
>Still have to wait
Man, I really want to kill my wife with a shiny new gun.

>>34182346
They're on the three day waiting period.

>>34181794
This has literally happened and the woman was killed before the waiting period was up.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/10/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit.html

>>34182518
>http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/vek0yl/stand-up-jordan-solves-previews/tmcgtz

I get what he's trying to do, but I'm not seeing compromise. I see every gun owner now having to pay an FFL for a transfer and twiddling their thumbs for a 3 day waiting period.

What's in it for our side?

>>34181515
>you should also be comfortable with former violent felons owning firearms.

I am. And guess what? Most, if not all states have a process whereby felons can get their 2A rights back.

Do you have a problem with this? Do take into consideration that blacks and hispanics are disproportionately represented within our judicial system. So what's it gonna be? Equal rights, or permanent disenfranchisement?

>>34181368
Most gun owners don't realize that universal background checks equate to a de facto registry.

>>34182511

I want the whole cake back plus ice cream. I'm trying to think of ways to get the dem leaning muh feels middleish of the road voter to go for it. Use the buzzwords they like to recruit a whole new generation of gun owners without prohibiting anything. If they fell for the ACA they might just fall for something with a "safety" feel that just deregulates nfa items and provides free subsidized training.

PatMac is confirmed shit, good riddance, meathead yesman.

Hope he enjoys his 15 minutes and all the bridges he just burned.

>>34182603
90% of people on this board don't even own a gun, and 90% of the ones who do don't believe in paying for training.

We can piss all over his political views, but he didn't lose a dime from /k/, and his military record will keep the trainees coming in.

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>>34182374

>>34182596
>pretending you can outsmart the entire Democratic party and a sizeable part of the Republican party
>pretending there is any ice cream more than SHALL
Is part of the Shareblue rulebook to pretend you have "novel solutions" so we don't need to support the people that actually act in our interests?

>>34182292
>not knowing how to meme arrow
Go away

>>34182307
>balkanization
Would that be so terrible though?

Gun owners who support regulations should be executed.

That includes Pat McNamara (if the statements made are accurate and not edited to make him look like an idiot) and all you fucking quislings on here. I hope you all die of ass cancer.

>>34182584
Yup. fuck you I want my cake.

>>34182673
Don't let some business owner's political opinions ruin your night. He had the same ideas yesterday and your day was fine.

>>34182666
Manifest Destiny, motherfucker; we must control both coasts and suffer no rivals. Say goodbye to the Constitution as well if balkanization happens.

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>>34182560
>autism
You know there are actually societies where the gov and people have a good working relationship? It's rare but it happens. The US is not one of them though.

>>34181515
Fuck off shariablue faggot

>>34181588
You will be fed to coyotes and I will laugh when I see the news

>>34182588
>Liberal rekt
>>34182621
>muh 90% meme
What is it with your people and the 90% statistic? Is it large enough for an overwhelming majority but not too big to be unbelievable when you lie?
>>34182666
No Satan, it wouldn't.

>>34182588
Checked 4 truth

>>34181678
>niggers dont plan anything

>>34181519
>I think that 2-3 days is fine, and I agree with background checks, as long as there is some form of actual appeals process

And the handgun roster goes away, as do mag capacity limits, and bullet button/fixed magazine requirements. All AWB legislation, either by name or by evil feature, would also have to go away. And that bullshit ammo limit/bullet background check is gonna have to die, too. The registry needs to be deleted with extreme prejudice, also.

I am okay with the firearm safety test and certificate, with a couple of minor changes; it has to be a perequisite for graduation from high school, and the school districts have to cover the $25 fee. They also have to offer adult ed/night classes/summer school opportunities for people to get their FSC.

Once all of that happens, then we can talk about a 3 day waiting period. Just so you know, I'm against it.

You see, anon, I'm old enough to remember being 18, walking into my LGS, laying down $290 in cash, doing about 5 minutes of paperwork, and walking out with a brand new A1-style Colt Sporter.

This was in 1977, at Bittner's Guns in Escondido CA, and I want those days back. You can take your compromise, and your commonsense horseshit and stuff them up your ass. I WANT MY RIGHTS BACK.

>>34182728
> What is it with your people and the 90% statistic?

I don't know, pic whatever number you like for actual has guns on /k/. Whatever you chose, McNamara ain't going out of business.

>>34182800
>And the handgun roster goes away, as do mag capacity limits, and bullet button/fixed magazine requirements. All AWB legislation, either by name or by evil feature, would also have to go away. And that bullshit ammo limit/bullet background check is gonna have to die, too. The registry needs to be deleted with extreme prejudice, also.

This is why this is nigh impossible to reach any type of federal compromise. Californians would likely jump at the chance to have all that horseshit swept away, but what's in it for some guy out in Arizona? National reciprocity? Ain't happening.

Let's say I'm 60 miles from my nearest gun peddler, and I'm, a poor bastard. If there's a waiting period of any sort, not only do I lose the time going to shop for the gun, the gas money / vehicle wear to get there and back, but now I have to do the whole thing again on some other day to pick up my new funs. Screw that.

Waiting periods are a money and time tax on poor people. Chilling effect on freedoms, etc.

Anyone who advocates to increment the slippery slope is a Zumbo, and a traitor to the progress we ammosexuals have fought for and enjoyed in recent years, despite attacks from every angle. CHOKE ON A BAG OF DICKS.

>>34182834
>McNamara ain't going out of business.
Because most of the people he trains are gov employees. That's true for any trainer.

>>34181564
>Delaying your right isn't infringing upon it.

It most certainly the fuck is.

in·fringe
inˈfrinj/
verb
actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).
"making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright"
synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach;
act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
"his legal rights were being infringed"
synonyms: restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on;

Your theater analogy is fucking gay and retarded, too. Being told to stfu isn't an infringement. Secondly, it's only applied to those people who have demonstrated that they're going to misuse a right. Thirdly, the right is never actually taken away.

Gun owners get preemptively infringed all the time.

>>34181368
I don't really see a problem with this.

I also find it hilarious how quick you couch commandos are to turn on the guy after fellating him constantly for years because he expressed an opinion concerning the 2A mildly divergent from your own. How often do you bums actually buy guns anyway?

>>34182139

Same here.

Greatly admire his attitude and his energy. Badass motherfucker.

But this cow-towing to the other side is unacceptable. Very disappointing.

>>34182889
So are we not allowed to disagree with his opinion on waiting periods? Because I like him as an instructor, is he immune from criticism?

And how often I buy guns hasn't nothing to do with any of the topics at hand, why are you asking?

>>34182889
>mildly divergent from your own
lol OK buddy.

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>>34182666
It will only happen along racial/ethnic backgrounds, we could alternatively allow absolute freedom of association, in which there would be private white schools and businesses, as well as private black schools and businesses.

>>34182800
HEAR HEAR

>>34182663

>shareblue
>advocating no NFA and increased gun ownership

Progun side has made great strides but you're deluding yourself if you think any but a small handful in politics has your interests in mind. Keep supporting them but keep them on a short leash because they will fuck you in a heartbeat if they think they can and still win re-election.

And yes, the DNC is so far up it's own ass I do think they're that dumb.

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>>34182963
>tfw no Black gf in a post-Balkanized America after I move to the American Constitutional Agriarchy

>>34181368
DAmn. He's like, an hour from me

>>34181466
You think that because you're used to it. There is nothing wrong with being allowed to walk out with a gun right after you purchase it.

>>34182889
I never felated him, so fuck you for assuming that one little twink fagot on /k/ reps all of us.

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>>34182963
>as well as private black schools and businesses.
Considering that most HBCs are only around because of Federal and State funding propping them up I very much doubt that.

>>34182995
>tfw Truman democrats are never coming back

>>34181521
>And nobody has done anything.
And that's the problem with America, faggot

>>34181368
>Pat McNamara
Who?
>"gun" show on comedy central
What?

What is all this normie nonsense?

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>being butthurt about this

It wouldn't be as bad if half of /k/ didn't fucking hero worship the shit out of Pat Mac. Don't get me wrong he's a great dude but most of you fuckers wouldn't ever take a class with him anyways.

BLAZE OPS XDDD

>>34183097
>look mom I posted my contrarian opinion again! (You) farming as never been easier!!!

>>34182113
i live in nc and its the reason I got the 80% glock kit. I'll be goddamned if I'm going to crawl on my belly to beg for a fucking permit from the prick sheriffs office and pay them for it.

its bad enough dealing with the fucking fudds in the gunshops and walmart.

>>34183206
> Googles "NC pistol law"

God damn, they even wrote that fucking law in the most aggravating and hostile tone possible. What happened there?

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>>34183141
It's true though. You faggots dickride Pat to hell and back and now you get butthurt thanks to it.

Grow a pair, faggotini.

>>34183678
>says we dick ride Pat

>calls him a gr8 dud based on the same YouTube videos everyone else has watched, also lacking any irl interaction with the guy

>has pat Mac memes saved

Incredible.

>>34181519
Go back to calguns faggot. Stop making actual conservative Californians look bad. Shall not be infringed.

>>34182666
All I know is that I'd be cool if I no longer had to share a country with people in California, NOVA, Seattle or Chicago.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsRP3T6X-I

>>34181435
>>34181453
>>34181463
>>34181466

UBCs are one thing, as hesitation on them is largely a tactic of "not one inch" and a risk of being a stepping stone to gun registration because after a short while it won't be "enough".

There is room to respectfully diagree on Universal Background Check mandates.

But god damn it I can say who isn't a true Scotsman if you're outright betraying Scotland.

If you so much as entertain the validity of a 3-5 day waiting period, get off /k/ and surrender your arms to either family members that deserve them more or escheat them to the State.

>>34181368

>thinks there should be waiting periods to deter crimes of passion
>advocates concealed carry

Can someone reconcile these two for me?

>>34181368
Fuck that shit. Not another fucking bite, no matter how low-hanging it may be. Gun control is incremental. Nothing will every be enough to satisfy antigunners and the rights will never be restored.

In other words,

>SHALL

>>34181519
Cali bro reporting, go fuck yourself with a rake

>always kill a traitor before an enemy

>>34181675
>I call up a hotline, give a name and state and they tell me if that person can possess a gun.
Why do you allow someone so insanely dangerous that they can't own a firearm to live free without direct supervision?

>>34182482
>What, exactly, is the purpose of a waiting period?
To slowly erode the rights of firearm owners.

I will not be satisfied until I can walk into Walmart and put a downpayment on a Howitzer

anyone who says waiting periods are fine has not been in california
fuck waiting periods
a judge even said "if they have a gun already they shouldn't have to wait"
THE STATE APPEALED AND WANTS THAT JUDGEMENT OVERTURNED

>>34183973

Probation as part of the terms of release, etc. The end goal is if you aren't serving time right now there should be no reason you can't own a firearm. The hotline style free background check is just the "compromise" to get what we want in the same style as the "compromises" antigunners have been pushing for years.

It's a barely effective platitude to repeal NFA, national reciprocity etc. If they don't support it you can pull the "So you don't support background checks?" card.

>>34181794
Work at a gun store, you have no idea how many times inhear this from wives/gf's or even random girls who know their being stalked. I had a woman who had divorced her ex, had gone crazy like leaving shit on her porch, slashing her tires, calling her at work, even left roadkill on her porch. This is California so she was shocked when I told her she had to wait at least 10 days to the minute before she can pick her gun up. All she kept telling me before the purchase was "but he could literally do anything to me at any minute". All I could tell her was sorry, it's the law

>>34182113
At this point in California you have to serialize and register any 80% receivers once complete

>>34181498

Speak for yourself, fudd.

>>34181507
No.

The waiting periods are a relic of when background checks were by physical mail. They were actually a check on gun rights to force the relevant bureaucrats to not procrastinate and come up with a proper answer.

But then this nifty thing called the internet invalidated that purpose. Now it's just an obstacle

By definition, going to a gun store, buying a gun, and then commuting a crime can not be a spontaneous crime of passion. "Heat of the moment" decisions are usually in less than a minute.

Suicide spontaneity is not based on buying a gun, its based on already having a gun.

>>34181519
This is what a lifetime of exposure to California Smug Emissions will do to a man.

>>34181564
Yes it is.

Even the Constitutional analysis of requiring permits for a parade dont say "it's not a violation" but that the restraint on assembly *IS* a restriction of First Amendment liberties and depending on the restriction the government needs to provide a sufficient basis.

>You don't go to a movie theater and start screaming MUH FIRST when people tell you to shut the fuck up.

Because it's a private establishment. They can kick you out for being a bit of an ass but even if you yelled "Fire!", the only way the government would be able to punish you is if they can prove you did or should have known that would have caused a panic that could hurt people, such a panic did occur, and people were in fact hurt in the process.

Likewise, the theater can ban guns outright. Because they aren't the government.

>>34181580
Yes, stop pretending that this phenomena is a real thing. An hours time driving to the gun store and back isn't a crime of passion nor an impulse. That is dedicated and fully conscious.

>>34181709
Oh good lets just violate the 4th Amendment as well as the 2nd by improper delegation of judicial oversight.

>>34182233
I don't remember saying anything about second weapon purchases. Your stupidity is showing.
Something tells me you live with your parents.

>>34181368
dude for sure ha smore expereince with dealing with other people and firearms than literally all of /k/ and if you can't handle other people's opinions, drawn through life and more experience/education than you offer, you're a fucking baby. all you screeching absolutists: what have you done to protect the constitution or the country it built? maybe leave the hyperbolics at home and go PT and hit the range

Here is the thing, every new restriction is just a step closer to infringement. It will never be enough to stop all "gun deaths" so they will never stop trying to get rid of guns to the point that they neuter or get rid of the second amendment. If we implement some common sense regulation can we get rid of so stupid gun laws? Of course not, the goal is more restriction, not being reasonable. Every gun law that have ever been created is common sense to someone.

If I was a benevolent dictator I might have a waiting period, but there would be fewer gun laws in general and no danger of infringement. Since that isn't the case, "NOT ONE MORE INCH".

>>34184180
So if I do some push ups and shoot my Glock, I can have an opinion that differs from others?

>what have you done to protect the constitution or the country it built?

Not endorse hilariously stupid wait periods that have objectively no effect in deterring crime and only serve as another useless concession to the left, hbu, faggot?

>>34182374
>just be reasonable and comprimise
>uses LGBT advocacy as an example

Canada's now got mandatory pronoun recognition that even applies to ones own children. If little timmy says he's a princess and you don't encourage him, that's "child abuse" and could result in taking the child into Foster Care.

No, fuck you.

Fuck you so much you little apologetic bitch.

There is no end point here. There is never "enough" of the cake to give them until they are full.

You give them nothing.

Or they will take everything.

This is the ONLY way to address any progressive call to action regarding restriction of individual liberties for the "saftey" of others.

>>34182889
>mildly divergent

This is "(((Common Sense Gunowner))) Spokesman for the Brady Campaign" tier divergence. He's just a half-breath from pushing an Assault Weapons Ban if he seriously entertains the waiting period.

>how often do you bums actually buy guns anway

lol yeah who cares about "muh Constitushin" if it isn't directly benefiting me in a substantial way at the current time anyway. It's not like I could have principles, empathy, or intellectual honesty.

>>34184180
What "personal life experience" convinces someone of a non-existent criminology phenomena regarding "impulse buys" of guns?

>muh Absolutists.

Yes god forbid I don't alter my viewpoints to some sort of mandatory "moderate" so I can feel superior to "both sides" and I actually base my views on evidence, principles, and the Constitution.

>what have you done to protect the constitution or the country it built?

Not only is this an appeal to authority, it's an appeal to an irrelevant one.

Being a great soldier makes you a great soldier. It means fuck all for your capacity to form sound policy or additional validation any opinion you have not directly pertinent to combat/survival tactics.

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Waiting periods make no sense. Most of the shooting tragedies you hear about that result in calls for gun control, are premeditated, or committed using guns someone else bought.

Adam Lanza - Sandy Hook Shooting - Used weapons his mom bought, to shoot up the school. No waiting period could have stopped him

Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik - San Bernardino Regional Center Shooting - Used straw-purchased, illegally modified CA compliant AR-15s - No waiting period could have stopped them.

These may seem like arbitrary shootings, but my point is that events like this cause more irrational gun control that will do nothing to stop the kind of violence that sparked it. Waiting periods included.

As for the argument of people buying guns to commit suicide, do you really think someone at the point of suicide is going to give up on it because of waiting periods? No, they're gonna find some other way, if they're determined and ready to go.

As for sudden acts of violence, do you really think someone who is going to commit an act of violence, is going to be deterred by a waiting period? The gun store owner should pick up on the body language of someone who's ready to buy a gun and murder someone right after, and refuse to sell to them. As for the violent people not being able to obtain weapons immediately, they will wait the period if they are determined enough.

The waiting period may seem harmless and beneficial to some, but it's truly arbitrary and pointless. Opposing these sorts of regulations, is critical to protecting your gun rights, because as we've seen with states like CA (my home state, feelsbadman), it really is a slippery slope.

>>34181678
>quite frankly 2-3 days is enough time to not only plan out the murder, bu find a hidey spot as well.

He is right.

>>34181588
You won't last the summer you soft pussy.

>>34182021
Man she always looks so twacked out, expressionless empty face. Botox and xanax is a hell of a drug.

>>34182288
Its a de facto registry for future confiscation is what it is. How do more people not see this!?

>>34182527
Waiting periods have gotten people killed, girl in new jersey murdered by stalker ex for one example. Does nobody remember that?

>>34182889
Fuck you buddy I'm a free person who can change my goddamn mind about whatever the fuck I want whenever the fuck I want. 2/10 bait i replied.

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>>34184991
>Its a de facto registry for future confiscation is what it is. How do more people not see this!?

remember, shiny side out

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>people unironically shilling for gun control on /k/

What the fuck happened? Was it shariablue sucking off Brock's pedophile dick, leftypol, leddit?

This board has fallen so fucking low.

>>34185002
And I'm sure they've prevented an equally minuscule number of murders. It's stupid policy, but it's hardly worth losing your shit over.

>>34185060
Do you think gungrabbers will stop at ubcs or waiting periods? Cali passes new gun control every fucking year now. It never ends. Even in Europe where the EU just passed a directive banning many types of magazines.

>>34185058
It's a troll thread, they know it ticks you off and gets replies. Anyone shilling for gun control obviously doesn't have guns or is the NRA pre 1990's

>>34185044

>literally every single nation on the planet that has ever implemented a national/federal level gun registry has had some degree of gun confiscation/buy backs
>it's even happened on the state level in California

Beyond that, all you have to do is the "inferential leap" that the UBC mandate would have absolutely no measurable impact on crime, and after the next mass shooting the hip new meme would logically be "well the UBC is worthless if we don't have a permanent paper trail! Why can't we register guns like we do cars!"

If that's tin-foil for you, you have a literal fetish for governmental bureaucrats.

>>34185060

Seriously what the fuck is with all these (((common sense gun owners))) lately. Even leddit doesn't have this much of a pushover problem on their firearm related sections other than GrC of course.

Why are you here?

>>34181702
And that's why we loose rights.

A little compromise in order to expand gun exposure is the best idea yet.

Waiting period? Sure why not. How about we do more "safety training"!
We can start in High school.

Then we get all those kids that have been kept away from guns all their lives to try shooting in a supervised environment.

We can also try to get the nfa removed or amended to allow new full autos and in registered cans.

>>34185199
In practice this is not how it works though. The gun rights side is the only one that ends up compromising.

>>34185199
You can compromise with friends, you don't compromise with enemies

American schools are filled with non-americans, why would you want them to be exposed to guns

>>34183433
jim crow laws werent just against blacks, it was against the poor white trash who fought against the north and were considered "politically unreliable". they really dont think people should have guns in this state. and the cops are nj tier fucking meathead faggots

>>>>34182560
>34182553

The Swiss extend the concept of militia not only to national defense, but also to large parts of the public service. ( Milizsystem )
This means it's more or less illegal to be a career politician in Switzerland, as it's only supposed to be a side job.

>>34185199
>A little compromise in order to expand gun exposure is the best idea yet.

What do you think the NRA did? Up until the AWB the NRA was one of the largest advocates of gun control. They supported the NFA, GCA, gun registration, waiting periods, firearms licenses, and ammo regulations.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/nra-supported-nfa34.htm

>>34182158
Fuck me you're right.
One prick FFL in the whole of dc and he charges 125$?
He can go fuck himself, worthless piece of shit.

>>34184169
That's exactly how it works in every state with a Waiting period though, so you can understand why the progun side is apprehensive.
California doesn't care if your a model citizen with 22 guns, you are still waiting 30 days for a handgun.
NY doesn't care if it's your 2nd gun and you have your permit, you still have to drive out to the county office, get your permit amended and wait a week or two for your amended permit to come in the mail before you can pick up your gun.

In every jurisdiction a waiting period has been instituted it has been used to increase the hassle of purchasing a new firearm as opposed to the actual intent of the waiting period in the first place - give noguns an extra hoop to jump through in case of crimes of rage/passion.
It's already been established that it's illogical to impose a waiting period on a gun owner who already has guns and still passes NIC's checks.
Yet every single place that has one does so

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>>34181636
Your spirits may be up but your syndrome is down my friend.

>>34182666
Depends strongly on where you are/where you end up - if it starts happening I'm booking it to the northern midwest - anything west of Minnesota - an alternative is the far north east. Racial Sectarian violence is going to explode, even a place that you think would be okay - like Texas, is going to have serious fucking issues starting off
>>34182703
>Say goodbye to the Constitution as well if balkanization happens.
Again depends where you end up. There is also the fact that most states have constitutions that nearly mirror the US one.
Also the Government of the United States could persist in some form - on the east coast...

The point is there are changes that need to happen stat, because we are circling the drain, and there simply is no political will.

>>34185748
>like Texas

If that shit happens between May and October, we aren't going shit. It's too fucking hot.

>>34185789
If the US balkanized or had some great internal strife every city in Texas would be a literal bloodbath. You know it and I know it, and I'm not sure if the sprawl could contain it either. You would definitely see suburbanite refugees fleeing into the countryside

>>34181564
I have no problem with companies enforcing some code of conduct on their property (their actual property not leased shit).
I draw the line at places open to the public - if you give general members of the public good faith to enter your property to conduct business they should have a reasonable ability to speak their mind and also carry a weapon without causing a disturbance that necessitates removing them from the property.
I'm against laws that allow non drinking establishments to ban guns, enforceable by state law

But in the same token I have a problem if a company fires an employee for an opinion (on amongst other things, a social media account)

>>34185044
He's not wrong. You physically can't enforce a UBC without a registry of some type being made. Otherwise I can have a buddy over, he can slip me his Glock, he can say he lost it in a boating accident and I can claim I've had it for years and no one could prove otherwise.

>>34185748
it will be the Cambodian killing fields all over again, AMERICAN SUPER-SIZED.

>>34185826
Your post implies that something like 25% of our residents are just waiting for the right news broadcast so they can murder their neighbors. It just ain't so. Oh, you'll get your looting in the inner city (saw people gearing up for that with the Dallas police shooting) but we're so damn spread out that I really think it will be largely quiet outside that the downtown areas.

Suburbs here are 25 miles from down town. Assuming I wanted to rob coworkers out in the burbs, I'd have to transport large numbers of people out there and then somehow get back with all their shit in the same car. Not to mention I fully expect half those grumpy old fuckers to be on roofs shooting at looters. I'd take a hard pass.

>>34182664
newfag.

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>>34181466
California has a 10 day period and theres still tons of gun crime there.

all of you traitors can go fuck yourselves

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>34181634
It has that look to it.

>>34181519
you should be hanged

>>34186168
>BUT MOOOOOMMMM I WANT MY GUN NOW!

>>34182033

Just goes to show that just because one may own a gun doesn't make them pro 2A.

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>OP criticising person for support anti-gun legislation
>First 5 replies are all in favor of said legisatin
>The bait gets taken anyway

>>34182621
>90% of people on this board don't even own a gun, and 90% of the ones who do don't believe in paying for training.

What is your source for these stats? How large is your sample?

I'm also a little confused about your statement regarding training- do you mean getting free goods and services from a businessperson, or are you making an oblique reference to the time when most schools had marksmanship programs? Granted, that wasn't really free training, but the individuals receiving it weren't the ones paying for it. Also, where does military training fit into this? That's paid training, in that the trainees are paid to attend.

>>34181466
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>>34181408
AHHHHHHHHHH GTFO NEWJACK FUCKING FAGGOTS. You wouldn't have been saying that shit if you had been part of the community in 2012 when we were under constant assault and scrutiny everyday. Now you new to guns Reddit faggots are here when things are the best they've been in YEARS, just shitting up what we refused to give an inch on. If you're new to the community and sport, do everyone a favor AND STFU until you know what it's been thru and how lucky you are that we came out on top you fucking Reddit leftists crossovers

>>34181677
I think it's more for suicides, people just say hotheads because Hollywood.

>>34186414
I'm pretty sure now that he falls into that category a lot of mil/leo do that they are the "chosen ones" because of their job and that they know better than any civilian when it comes to anything firearms related. Guns for me but not for thee.

It's funny how, up until now, all his fucking antics on camera seemed interesting/funny and gave him some character. Now that you know he thinks like an elitist prick, they just seem exceptionally douchey.

>>34181368
Literally who?

>>34181656
Or go to a small time ffl who has flat out stated that if any governing body wants his records, they're going missing real quick like.

>>34182889
>How often do you buy guns anyways
So far this year
>PSAK47
>P30
>M4A1 Block II clone
>ACOG
>SLR104
I'd say a lot.

>>34181368
I really wonder how much comedy central had to pay him to say that

>>34187720
Maybe he's ready to take his personality, the bod, and the beard to the next level: say hello to Hollywood baby and make big bank. He'll be voicing Disney movie characters in less than 5 years with that voice shtick.

>>34181488
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
Shut the fuck up.

>>34182666
no it would be ideal

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>all the statist faggots in this thread
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>34186479
It's a staged thread. Right out of the ShareBlue playbook. They start a thread and have 3-4 other supporters chime in. The idea being, they dominate the discussion. There's also some chatter on their networks about colonizing us, whatever the fuck that means

>>34182705
For example....

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>Viacom/Comedy Central showrunner is a liberal shill

Woooooowwwwwwwwwwwww how shocking.

>>34185334
Because there's nothing they can give us that isn't something they've already taken away.
And if there's one rule of politics, it's that the government will never give up power once it has it.

>>34186168
California, where you get in more trouble for not telling the cops your gun was stolen then actually stealing the gun

>>34181663
He's not wrong though. That's basically the driving force behind racism.

Those people over there are different aka "Not us".

>>34188537
We also have your IP address logged thanks to your ISP being on our side. Our plan has been to collect everything you've posted for the last 2 months and send it to your employer 2 Fridays from now.

Not everyone mind you. Just you >>34188537.

>>34186802
Or he's got enough customer base that he can safely break from the gun owner heard.

I do long for the days when people kept their political and religious views to themselves though. I miss going to buy a chicken sandwich from someone because they made a good sandwich and not because they make a sandwich and also share political opinions I find palatable.

I mean, I can still just ignore it, but it's a lot harder to do when no one will shut up about how the laws should work.

>>34181368
>http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/vek0yl/stand-up-jordan-solves-previews/tmcgtz

I mean, I'm on the fence. I don't know of any place that doesn't have at least 3 days. If we get to the point where, in most states, that's the biggest problem facing gun owners I'd be fine really. (Florida here.)

And he said 3 days. he didn't say 5 days, he wasn't asked about a whole suite of gun laws. He was asked about 3 days. Do I want to get my guns right away? Yeah. Can I really say 3 days is end of world? No.

Pro-- someone talks some idiot into commiting a robbery. Idiot gets cold feet and wants a gun. Discovers they have to wait 3 days. Maybe they hold off and think better of it.

Cons-- lets say you get a restraining order on someone you think is violent. You could definitely want a gun right away.

Overall, I wouldn't want a state to become more strict than it already is, but I can't see why its a huge problem.

>>34190285

Best studies I've found [1] put gun crime committed with a legally purchased firearm at 20%. By those estimates, any 3 day waiting period legislation will fail to prevent any significant waiting period for 80% of the guns acquired in this country yearly.

Of those 1/5 legally purchased firearms, what percentage committed with a firearm are committed within 72 hours of a legal purchase? I cannot find any reference to this number, but if we split it down the middle, your legislation now fails to effect 90% of the guns acquired and used in a crime, with no guarantee of the crime not occurring after 96 hours for the remaining 10%.

If you are looking to prevent crime, look at other legislation. Preventing suicide appears to be a different matter, based on studies across multiple states.

1. http://www.upmc.com/media/NewsReleases/2016/Pages/fabio-firearms.aspx

>>34181809

A little tangential here, but tasteful, carefully monitored use of certain PED is not a bad thing. I'm a natural builder myself and only use OTC stuff, but the "lol cheating" crowd is as bad as the "lol, real men only need fists" crowd. The most defining quality of human evolution is our power to think up and make and use shit to enhance our lives and survivability.