Does anyone know how much a legit harris prc 152 costs? Cant

>>34180110
I contacted Harris years ago and they are cunts that won't sell any military stuff to "non-authorized" people. They won't even tell you a price. I have never seen anyone sell an used one either,so I think you're fucked on that one.

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Like at least 15K bones

i found this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRI-AN-PRC-152-UV-MBITR-RADIO-INVISIO-SILYNX-TEA-PTT-DEVGRU-MARSOC-SEAL-FR-/263003271948

is it just a fake / knock - off?

>>34181364
I only have 206

FPGA SDR is easy as shit these days. Anybody could do it. Ruggedizing the bitch is a different story.

>>34181420
>
Item location:
Qingdao, 山东省, China

>>34181420
Yes, plastic garbage.

>>34181471
>Update
ok thats what i thought.

>>34181364
how u get?

>yfw you see dirty flea bitten Iraqi soldiers running around with Harris 152 type radios bought by your hard earned tax dollars

>>34180110
An arm, dick, and a leg.

>>34181364
>0 matches found
You lucky bastard

>>34181420
That's basically a baofeng built into a plastic case that resembles a PRC-152. Theoretically they're waterproof, but I doubt even that claim. Basically a total waste of money.

>>34181597
You basically have to locate one in the military that's off the books and just "lose it". They literally throw these units into a furnace when they get retired; there's no legitimate way to get a hold of one as a civilian. You can get a really shitty version meant for international sale for police or some shit, but even then it's nowhere near as good as a real one.

At some point there was some anon on here who said he had two of these guys off the books sitting somewhere on a base he was at. Basically he could take it home and sell it on ebay or w/e, but it's soooooooo fucking illegal that it basically never happens.

>>34180110
>there are guys on /k/ who will never know what it feels like to sign for a couple million dollars worth of comm and crypto

>>34180110
Why? Not like you are going to be able to listen in without any live key. Just a super heavy ass radio with no one to talk to.

>>34182634
>You basically have to locate one in the military that's off the books and just "lose it". They literally throw these units into a furnace when they get retired; there's no legitimate way to get a hold of one as a civilian. You can get a really shitty version meant for international sale for police or some shit, but even then it's nowhere near as good as a real one.

>At some point there was some anon on here who said he had two of these guys off the books sitting somewhere on a base he was at. Basically he could take it home and sell it on ebay or w/e, but it's soooooooo fucking illegal that it basically never happens.

If one of those that's on record goes missing from a base, no one is going home until it is found. They'll turn the place upside down and go through everyone's things individually in order to find it/whoever took it.

>>34182526
If you were a soldier you might get one yourself. Don't belittle men who are actually serving their country, you just want one to complete whatever gay cosplay shit you like to LARP in.

>>34182796
>Don't belittle men who are actually serving their country

Don't tell me how to live my life. I'll belittle them all I want. They are notorious for abandoning/misusing gear.

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>>34180110

$16594.50

You better prepare for a gay for pay side job

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>>34181364
>>34182860
>a radio that costs as much as a decent used car

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>>34182659
That isn't a good feel you masochistic weirdo

>>34181364
>>34180110
what makes these so special? what do they do?

>>34182659
>there are guys on /k/ who will never know what it feels like to develop a couple million dollars worth of comm and crypto

>>34182796
Glad my tax dollars go to his country rather than our veterans. truly.

>>34182860
why did they pick such a random number for the price?

>>34182923
There wasn't anything wrong with the MBITR that they needed to introduce them with these.
The main reason for the expense is the fact they aren't mass produced by third-worlders on an assembly line like an iphone.
>what do they do
Feed the military-industrial complex.

>>34182923
Basically every encryption imaginable, milspec everything (duh), ridiculous networking capabilities, I mean RIDICULOUS capabilities. You can't really appreciate it unless you're an autist.

>>34182956
because fuck the taxpayer

>>34182986
These are so much better than the mbitr though

>>34183005
>You can't really appreciate it unless you're an autist.
>These are so much better than the mbitr though
To the average grunt it's not some giant leap from an MBITR. I guess that's why I don't earn the big bucks tho.

>>34182956
>>34183005
>because fuck the taxpayer

Because there is no such thing as becoming too big and bloated when it comes to defense contractors, even though the government often pays for development costs through contracts.

Yeah, fuck the tax payer!!

http://swling.com/blog/2016/03/the-harris-anprc-158-costs-the-us-govt-roughly-200000-per-radio/

>>34180110
I'm a support dude for a special operations unit.
They are around $11k and go up to around $18K depending on the software. The software is what makes them special, outside LOS, and SAT, they are doing waveforms for data, and network.

Also keep in mind the $11k+ price the military pays, includes the updates, the servicing, replacement, the base reps, teachers,etc. Nothing the military buys is just the unit price, it's everything in between too

>>34180110
>Does anyone know how much a legit harris prc 152 costs?

Several years in prison. If you absolutely must have encrypted traffic, use OTP's and a high quality set of handies.

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>>34183046
It's not the kind of stuff that will stand out in daily usage, but it has abilities that the mbitr lacked when it came to an expandable system. Was it really really needed? Probably not. They probably should've just spent the money on developing better satcom stuff, but the military just has to buy new shiny equipment fucking constantly.

>>34183076
Jesus Christ
Just when I was starting to get satisfied with my motorola collection...
I need to try and get a job at Harris.

>>34183005
>I mean RIDICULOUS capabilities. You can't really appreciate it unless you're an autist.

which, if you are, you can find and exploit the capabilities on other equipment which doesnt cost a fortune for no good reason.

>>34183134
nobody will really care or notice until you try and sell it to chung ling in china

>>34183177
Dude, I saw a legit PRC 148 and a Harris RO Tactical SATCOM Handheld Radio from Hong Kong on Ebay for months.

Better yet, have a look at THIS!

Someone is going to butt pounding jail for letting this go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RO-Harris-Tactical-SATCOM-Radio-/263020572414

>>34183326
DBALs, PVS systems, Thales and Harris radios All of this shit is fucking stolen!!!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/alafay.6nvjr/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&_ipg&_from&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684

>>34183326
Comsec equipment gets lost in battles all the time. Nobody really cares,because Kerchoffs principle and shit.

>>34183352
I'm surprised he hasn't been v& yet. I think I saw this guy posting secure gps shit a while ago too.

18E here.
Other than having what SOF uses there really isn't a reason to own one. What makes them nice radios are all the proprietary waveforms which civilians will never be able to use, primarily because of satellite access and crypto. Bedsides, they are shit radios compared to some of the civilian stuff out there. We much rather prefer using civilian stuff when we can

>>34183506
what do you recommend?

>>34183524
inb4 baofeng

>>34183524
motorola
yaesu/vertex standard

>>34183524
Probably not the best person to ask. A HAM radio nerd would give you a better answer for your needs. Also our budget is pretty decent so price for things we buy commercially is usually a bit pricey. That being said my team uses ICOMs (model omitted, sorry)

>>34183005
Radio autist here pls explain I must know.

>>34183524
Not him but motorola made some 50+ mile (24ish or maybe 6 in mountains really) that had a low level crypto. For 95 percent of what we did that was perfect. Once anything involving hide hits came up then it was full comsec with freq hop and fuck me for being known to be smart enough to figure that shit out

>>34183005
>mbitr
thats MBIITR, to you
source: got dropped once bc didn't know it was 2x "I" for inter/intra

>>34183524
VX-8DR.
It's perfect.

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>>34183506
>18E
Marry me bb

>>34183524
It depends on your budget, but motorola stuff is really good for ham and commercial use. It's a bit more of a time investment to get the software going, but it's definitely worth it. A tricked out baofeng will cost you like $40, but you can get a Motorola MT2000 or XTS3000 up and running for like $100. It depends on what you're willing to spend time wise, since the motorola programming is a bitch of a bitch to initially set up.

With the transition by most police to P25 Phase II coming up, a lot of XTS3000s are already on the market, and I expect XTS5000s to hit the market in a couple years at <$100 (they're like $500-600 right now). At some point I have to offer Motorola programming services to /k/ommandos, since the hardware is really cheap for the most part.

>>34183584
I forget what the system is called, but they have deployable networking systems. Basically makes a chain using individual units and lets data flow through the network to wherever it needs to go. They have a few toned down videos on it.

>>34183627
No, it's mbitr. Thales literally has it designated as such.

>>34182634
>They literally throw these units into a furnace when they get retired; there's no legitimate way to get a hold of one as a civilian.

Commo gear destruction is a huge part of military waste, much larger than you think.
ASIP's for example will be destroyed
When it comes to SINCGAR's radios in general you can only really get your hands on the early units such as the PRC-113, PRC-117, RT-1439 and RT-1523 - and they usually have encryption features and/or frequency hopping disabled - making the later British Clansman series a better option - then again you can get a COTS radio and mod it.

What's even wierder is we don't even sell alot of it to allies

>>34183076
Taliban/ISIS/etc couldn't even break into a vietnam era open frequency hopped net. I don't see what the big advantage the 158 has over the ASIP's - does it eliminate the fill device or streamline it? Does it tap into satellite/cell? what in the fuck justifies that cost?

>>34183677
They make an adhoc network. That shit makes me hard when it actually works. General Dynamics employee here

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>>34183677
So each radio acts as a repeater/router?

>>34183764
Yup. That in itself isn't terribly amazing, it's more that they do it in a way that doesn't fuck battery life and is constantly adaptable

>>34183677
>mbitr
holy shit you're right, sorry for sperging out.

>>34183786
We're all here to sperg out and beat it to comm stuff, you're good senpai

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>>34183782
Oh god please tell me more

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>>34183730
>Does it tap into satellite/cell?

Yes, it can do both.

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>>34183853
>Those batteries
>That antenna
>Everything

Castrated export version of PRC152 would be between $8-10k if you can get one. This would not be capable of all waveform types and would not have GPS capability. Newer versions with GPS if available would probably be more. Then you get to dedicate a computer for its specific version of RPM that is not like ITAR restricted US military version.

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I'm not a radio/crypto fag at all, nor do I do electronics like this that much.


But this thread man, what the fuck is happening to me, I'm getting the urge to...
to..
LEARN MORE.

>>34183506
>actual 18e on /k/ talking about how SF would rather use civilian radios with encryption lower than the military's
oh okay

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>>34183976
Join us in our oddly specific autism

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>>34183985

>>34182923
They're great at dropping signal on every band you programmed in, they're good at draining their 10 minute batteries, they're especially good at turning E-3s into E-2s

>>34184099
inb4 autistic screeching

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Pretty sure Blackheart International used to sell clear type PRC 148 MBITRs (PRC 6809) to civilians who could cough up 15K several years back. A lot of money, but it was cool that they would give you the time of the day unlike Harris etc. In fact, I still remember their product pages. I don't know if they still are in the comms business though. They look to have completely switched to the firearms business.

>>34180110
It's not like it'll do anything more than a regular radio for you since you won't have an skl to fill it and you won't be able to access sat comm

>>34183980
>rather use civilian radios with encryption
Didn't say that. There are plenty of uses for civilian comms in plaintext. Anything that requires cyphertext is always Type 1

>>34184140
it's all about the dick beating maaaaaaan

>>34184140
get the fuck out

>>34183828
Yes, moar please!

Just bought a Baofeng BF-F8HP for shiggles, knowing nothing about anything & have been nerding out listening to people hit local repeaters.

This thread is very timely.

I am now monitoring said thread.

Please continue, over.

>>34184446
Do be aware that the higher powered baofengs potentially are more likely to not meet emissions requirements for amateur use. This is because there are two types of requirements for spurious emissions, one is relative and one is absolute. I tested a high powered Baofeng on a spectrum analyzer that didn't meet one of the absolute requirements for spurious power output.

>>34184497
>implying any baofeng meets emission standards

>>34184497
The fuck did you just say to me?.............. No really, I honestly don't have much of a clue what any of that means, but with a quick search, are you talking about them "bleeding over" into other freq's when transmitting?

>>34184050
Is that the woodpecker?

>>34184446
If you wanna go deeper for relatively cheap, look into rtl-sdr dongles. I've got around 90' of wire strung through the trees out back and can listen into all kinds of weird shit.

>>34180110
Sup Radio/k/, I got a question.
So I bought a Baofeng GT-5TP for use as general innawoodings and I was wondering if there was a way I can use it to tap into a trunked frequency (at least I assume it's trunked, it's the frequency my bus company uses and it's over a repeater and not listed on any websites).

Also, would there be a better handheld radio for sub 400? Looking for a good 8 mile range.

Sorry for complete normie tier radio knowledge.

>>34184631
A regular handheld can't follow a trunk system, but it can decode P25 if you connect it to a computer. At that point though, your best, and easiest, bet would be to use an RTL-SDR dongle to decode it through a computer.

How low beneath 400MHz? Some motorola stuff will go down to 380MHz, but that's about it for regular handhelds. If you're looking to just receive though, most amateur radio handhelds have a wide enough receiver to cover that.

>>34183735
>GD
eyyy

>>34184523
The same baofeng met emissions standards in its mid powered mode.
>>34184551
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_emission

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>>34184606
Yeah, RTL-SDR is a pretty nice scanning technology. I have no idea why these gearqueers want a ten-thousand dollar military radio for LARPing, when they could get a handheld RX-only scanner with a similar frequency range (Alinco DJ-X11) for a few hundred dollars, or a good RTL-SDR stick for 20 dollars.

For SDR, There's free Digital Signal decoding software that you can use to listen to the DMR/p25 systems of Highway Patrol, Hobbyists, taxi drivers, and Staff (DSD+). Also Pager Decoders (PDW) for those strong-ass blasts of data at GMRS/~930mhz frequencies coming from pager networks that you've probably heard while scanning. I'm in Southern California, and the statewide FLEX/POCSAG networks usually broadcasts information about weird internal software/machinery, and people who need to have their bedpans changed or painkillers administered.

What's your setup other than the antenna? Chipset? Do you use Direct Sampling or Downconverters?

>>34183853
>"Yes, it can do both." (CELL too)
>most mobile network frequencies are at 900/1800/1900 mhz
>harris frequency range: 30-870mhz
>nothing in the info sheet about it being able to decode mobile network data
Uhhhh. I mean, the r820t can't reach the last two cell network frequencies anyway, but that's not cell capable.

>>34184588
Yes.

>>34184647
I meant 400 dollars oops.
I'm really unsure what that means though, the Hertz is the broadcasting frequency. So it's more difficult to find lower frequencies?

>>34184647
>>34184631
Yeah, there's Digital Speech Decoder Plus for that. Just get one of those virtual audio cable programs where you can output sound to a "input" playback device, and set the DSD program to use the "output" recording device of the virtual cable.

SDR program: Outputting sound to Virtual Cable Input

DSD+: Using the Virtual Cable Output as the recording device.

Just set the audio devices up, start capturing in your RTL SDR program, and once you tune into a digital signal that's strong enough, the program should be detecting the signal type, and decoding it.

>>34184631
Mile range usually isn't a good way of determining radio power. You usually see bubble-pack radios boasting mile range as a selling feature (23 mile range LOS, but the output is way weaker than your baofeng to comply with FCC standards), but with amateur radios, it's output wattage that determines power. That Tri-Power radio you have (gt-5TP), has an output power of 8 watts (VHF), which should be more than enough. It really depends on what you want from transmitting on the radio. VHF (136-174mhz)
has better range, because lower-frequencies penetrate better, and the baofeng radios i've seen have one less watt of UHF output and full VHF output. Once again, I don't know what you're going for. Are you just communicating with a buddy, or is there a frequency, environment, or system you're trying to nail? Oh also, just so you're aware, TXing without a license is illegal.

As for handhelds, look at handsets from Yaesu, Alinco, Wouxun, etc, with high frequency ranges. They're not going to be nearly as cheap as Baofengs (just letting you know, baofengs are the cheapest entry radios), but there's good brands out there. Buy once, cry once.

>>34184789
Unsure what TXing is, but it'd be a buddy and myself (perhaps a few others) talking over the radio in the woods.

Oh lord those are some prices, being a college kid/bus driver doesn't pay the bills like it should.

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>>34184752
Oh ok. Yeah, Hz is the measurement of frequency. It's not necessarily more difficult for lower frequencies, it just that certain frequencies have different purposes, so equipment isn't necessarily commercially available for certain stuff. Consult the chart to see what I mean.

If you're willing to spend $400, get yourself a Yaesu VX-8r, VX-7r, or VX-5r. A used one should be fine, though you may have to replace the battery (not that expensive). Like how many radios do you want for that budget? What terrain are we talking? You could probably just get a few motorola handhelds like a HT1000 that would be fine and cost significantly less if that's the only thing you want to use it for. If you want some really skookum motorola stuff, look up the HT1000 or MT2000. You should be able to get them for like $30 a piece and they would work fine.

>>34184814
TX = Transmitting (broadcasting)
RX = Receiving (listening to frequencies, scanning)

>>34184814
oh you're also a starving college student? Yeah don't try and spend $400 on radios. I'm also a student and work part time, and I have all used motorola gear. You can get good deals if you just hunt. In that case i would really recommend the HT1000 or MT2000. If you're just talking amongst a small group, you can probably just get a bunch of 900MHz MTS2000 radios for super cheap and use those.

>>34184631
Actually, you know what, get yourself an XTS3000. It can decode P25 (I assume your bus system isn't totally ghetto) and will work for regular FM shit with baofengs. I just bought one from this guy, and it works perfectly (it even had the encryption board which is bitchin). Basically you're looking at like $90 for the radio + battery + antenna, and then like $15 for a charger. The programming cable is $10ish, and you just get the cracked programming software from this one russian website with copies of basically every motorola software.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTOROLA-ASTRO-XTS3000-Model-II-UHF-450-520MHz-P25-Two-Way-Radio-H09SDF9PW7BN-/401338273264?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255
Look up your bus company on radioreference.com and see what info you find, it'll clarify what type of equipment you need.

>>34184828
Thanks <3
>>34184834
Well, not starving, lower middle class pub-hopping college student that blows 1/4 of his money on booze and the rest of guns and patches.
Trying to get into radios but it's just so overwhelming. Shame there's not a HAM operators class at my school.

>>34184883
If you want to email me at [email protected], I'd love to keep talking, since as I said, I suck with radios.
But I'm off to sleep, g'night /k/.

>>34184696
Just running the RTL2832U, seems to do ok with direct sampling on the hf bands. Was running an earlier gen with an upconverter that might have been a little more selective, but more of a pain to dial in.

Haven't gone too deep with the decoding on the uhf yet, but studying up on it. So much stuff out there, wish I had more time to study it all.

>>34180110
Why would you want a Harris radio? They're fucking garbage.

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>>34185007
Get out

>>34184696
>I have no idea why these gearqueers want a ten-thousand dollar military radio for LARPing, when they could get a handheld RX-only scanner with a similar frequency range (Alinco DJ-X11) for a few hundred dollars, or a good RTL-SDR stick for 20 dollars.
Uh why don't you stop talking shit about hobbies you don't understand. It's not like a military radio is typically even used for the same sort of task an RTL-SDR is used for. And technically speaking they have very different designs and the specs are different.
Even for RX only the sensitivity and selectivity on a typical commercial two-way radio is way ahead of an RTL-SDR or wideband commercial scanner.
And people like to collect things for fun, not just for practical usage.

>>34184789
>That Tri-Power radio you have (gt-5TP), has an output power of 8 watts (VHF), which should be more than enough.
Advertised output on baofengs is unfortunately over-rated. I think the one I measured output more like 7 watts on 2m and lower than that on 70cm.

>VHF (136-174mhz) has better range, because lower-frequencies penetrate better
In free space lower frequencies have less path loss and will propagate farther. Not as simple as "penetrating better" because this depends on what you are penetrating.
In a typical urban environment 70cm performs better because it reflects more (reflections can be useful when there's no line of sight path) and because it does better at penetrating typical building materials.
In a typical rural area 2m performs better.

>>34184814
>>34184834
>If you're just talking amongst a small group, you can probably just get a bunch of 900MHz MTS2000 radios for super cheap and use those.
Be careful, a lot of 900mhz MTS2000s won't do simplex properly (they won't lock for TX at the upper portion of the band). Some are hackable with lab but a lot were manufactured late enough they have toolproofing.
I have one for repeaters but it won't do simplex.
I also wouldn't recommend 900mhz to a beginner.

>>34184446
>>34184789
>>34185191
I dug up my measurements of an 8W tri-power Baofeng compared to a Yaesu FT-60R at (Low/Med/High). And yes I'm pretty sure I actually measured whole numbers the first test.


Baofeng 145.00: 2/6/7
FT-60R 145.00: .55/2.2/5.4
Baofeng 437.00: 2.5/5.4/6.6
FT-60R 437.00: 0.54/2.2/5.5

>>34185208
In particular one of the things I noted after this test was that this radio was advertised as 8W but other Baofengs are advertised as 7W; they're probably the exact same circuitry.

>>34185230
isn't Yaesu the original producer of Baofengs radio but the company lost its rights?

>>34185242
I've never heard anything like that and I'm not sure how it's relevant.

>>34184834
>>34185191
Also typical 900mhz radios (including the MTS2000) only output 3 Watts. Even if you got some that worked well on simplex and even if an inexperienced ham got them setup and aligned properly they really wouldn't perform very well simplex the woods compared to a typical 5W 2m handheld.

>>34182986
>nothing wrong with the mbitr

Except they chronically drop fill even with new hub batteries

>>34183980
>deploy
>mbitrs keep dropping fills mid mission
>get Motorola walkie talkies as backup
>ended up using those the most

>>34185563
What does "drop fill" mean?

>>34185563
>>34185590
>>34185884
Ah I think you mean the cryptographic key (the "fill") stops working or is spontaneously erased. That's an incredibly strange issue to have on a modern radio. I can only speculate that the EEPROM was getting old or something because seriously that shit shouldn't happen on properly maintained equipment.

>>34185900
it was really common apparently

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>>34180110
go to a pawn shop near a mil base sometimes people pawn some stolen stuff.

that's how you got some of the extra legal mil stuff

>>34185900
>>34186579
I heard using the radio near high energy pylons also causes serious issues.

>>34184696
>30-2500mhz
Yes, cellular falls within the 158s frequency range

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Does anyone have that list of all the popular cheaper radios? Baofengs and Motorolas and such. I think they were all mostly sub $200.

tfw I've only been allowed to use SC/PT SINCGARS for the last 4 years cause no one wants to deal with comsec. tfw we have brand new unopened mbitr's that have been sitting in storeage for 3 years because no one wants to officially put them on the books. I need a new unit...

>>34183985
I am.

>>34189983
I was about to ask how to get into all of this and this kind anon posted it.

What a coincidence.

>>34180110
This thread should be reported to your relevant security officer or agency.

>>34184663
GD leaf though my dude

>>34182796
>muh service

dude working for the government lmao

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>>34191681
Oh? Pray tell why. There is nothing sensitive, classified, or illegal being discussed here. It is a discussion of various applications of civilian radios.

>>34191681
Go away!

>>34183976
Step 1: buy a Baofeng/btech uv-5r for $29
Or somesuch from Amazon. Anyway, that's what I did. Also read up on Ham radio.

Whats a good resource to learn the hows and whys of radio? Obviously its a huge field but id like a working knowledge of why and how they work