Shockwave general

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>>34170034
I'm picking up this soon.

>>34170034
Want one but FUCK COMMIEFORNIA

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>>34170059
Try to find one of the first gen M4 H20s. They generally cost a few hundred more but are NP3 coated internally/externally, have a collapsible stock, and a 7+1 capacity mag tube.

>>34170243
good eye. I look for one. I'm waiting on a new credit card so i have some time.

>>34170034
Yup, I got one.

Fun as hell.

It's a gun that would be boss to shoot from a car.

Heres a good video showing shot patterns coupled with a full length shotty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=W19UUlLgBR0

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>>34170034
we can go shorter thou

>>34170292
I was surprised how over built that little guy is with the heavy barrel and double action bars, triggers good too!

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why would anyone get one, when this exists?

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>>34171914
>LEL
>KEK

>>34171914
Price, still want a KSG tho

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>>34171914
Lots of fun. I want to get a red dot, but keep waffling between a EOkek for John Wickness and something econamical like holosun hs503g.

>>34171986
they're pistols and some rifles might be LEL, but the KSG is decent.

>>34171513
A full auto glock would be shorter and more deadly than a deagle.

>>34172124
>uncontrollable machine pistol
>a big caliber pistol that is heavy enough to make it manageable.

>>34172140
Short gun, short range. A full auto glock is for when you need to have a firefight in a phone booth.

>>34170034
i bought one two nights ago, its on the way.

waiting for it to show up at my FFL

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>>34172090
I know. But i just couldn't resist the temptation. sorry

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>>34172272
That image always makes me think of women on their periods and whether the blood would taste like tomato sauce.

>>34170034

>tfw can't get Shockwave because NJ classifies it as a Class 3 Destructive item

Fuck this communist shithole.

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>>34170034
Played with one today at a funstore, after about a minute of fiddling I lost all interest, put it down and moved along never to touch it again

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>>34172031
My nigga. There's something about compact/takedown shotguns that makes my dick hard.

>>34172632
Move to PA, that's what I did

>>34172747
Your first time touching a firearm was a bummer?
Sorry to hear that.

>>34170060
theres no ca specific legislation that would restrict it

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>>34172918
>Thinking I'm a nogunz
>Not realizing I was playing with it while waiting on my form to clear on my new FAL
>MFW I have more guns then you will ever own

>Roll up at the trap range with my Shockwave
>Almost get laughed out of the place by Fudds
>Go 23 for 25 on my first attempt
>Get booted out for shooting a few shots into the air in celebration

>>34173023
Dweeb

>>34173335
After a couple days playing with this thing, I legit think I could slam clays with it.

>>34172982
Except for when they said "Nah, we ain't gonna allow that here."

Seems like a waste of money. If you really care about a short shotgun then just make a sawn off .410

>local shops keep selling out

FUCK

>>34173023
Post'em. Include the new FAL.

>>34170034
so do those have rifled barrels or what?

>>34173511

Nada, that would be a DD. These things play on the 26in rule. As in, anything that's not a rifle, pistol, a or shotgun and is 26in is considered a firearm not otherwise specified.

I'm holding out for the Remington version. I want a steel receiver.

>>34172632

Might wanna check your laws again. Apparently Texas and Ohio are the only ones who have laws against it. These things are non-NFA.

Was thinking of getting the barrel threaded for chokes, thoughts?

>>34173408
source?

>>34173023
I use to think I had a lot of guns. Then I met regular people who put my collection to shame. Maybe you're one maybe not. Not gonna post numbers or pics so atf can come shoot my dogs.

Has anyone here heard of a shortened 4" forestock that would allow for some front rail mounts? I'm looking but I can't find anything.

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>>34174025
thats some stupid shit
if you really need a rail use something in this style

>>34173023
Whoa that's tight dude I bet your dad works for blizzard and gets you modded items all the time huh

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>>34173717
They became illegal in late 2013, when a passed Senate Bill changed the definition of a shotgun.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB567
>"This bill would revise the definition of a shotgun to delete the requirement that it be intended to be fired from the shoulder, and would clarify that the projectile may be fired through either a rifled bore or a smooth bore. The bill would state that this definition does not include handguns, except as specified."

Basically, if it fires a shotgun shell, it's a shotgun, and subject the the 18 inch barrel rule, regardless if it has a pistol grip or not. So the mossy shockwave is illegal.

Since they also defined a shotgun as either having a rifled or smooth bore barrel, it's likely that the bill was created because of the Taurus Judge, which slightly rifled its barrel to get around shotgun laws at the time.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0551-0600/sb_567_cfa_20130415_155946_sen_comm.html

Here's their logic behind the bill:

>" The new "rifled" bore shotgun with a revolving cylinder has characteristics similar to the "Street Sweeper" shotgun that has been named as a banned assault shotgun since the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Act of 1989. The same firearm was deemed to be a Federal "destructive device" in 1994. Failure to update the law to add "rifled" bore shotguns with revolving cylinders to the ban on "smooth" bored shotguns with revolving cylinders could result in "Street Sweeper" guns reappearing on California streets. "

They still haven't gotten over the Street Sweeper, I see. You know what this bill stopped? The fucking Taurus Judge, a 5 shot .410 caliber shotgun. And they went after it, because of some half-assed slippery slope fear of there being rifled Street Sweepers made and sold.

The funny part is, they were afraid of rifled "Assault Shotguns" being made, while Saiga 12s were perfectly legal at the time if they had a bullet button, IIRC.

>>34170059
I've been keeping my eyes out for a Benelli m3

I know I will pay out the ass but I can't resist, anyone have one got anything to say to further my want?

>>34174436
just read it all that shit does is talk about revolving cylinders theres no mention of an 18 inch barrel requirement

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nogunz here.

Are pistol grips/no shoulder stock shotguns as shit for HD as everyone says?

Is it better than a regular shotgun for that role or what?

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Hmm... My shotgun is probably taller than a few of you.

>>34174520
if you are willing to put the work in and practice you can get acceptable accuracy out of a pgo shotgun.
however if you spent the same time practicing with a real shotgun you would be a master instead of just adequate.
removing the stock takes a gun that was almost instinctual to aim and shoot and forces you to practice heavily to be effective.

>>34172140
It's pretty controllable with ports. check youtube.

>>34174484
The 18 inch barrel requirement for shotguns is already part of California State Law and the NFA.

>>34170243
Scary shoulder thing that goes up

>>34174520
The shockwave is a very niche weapon. It's short and had ought to be pretty handy, but you can end up in shit legally speaking for concealing it. Its a scattergun, so will tend to fuck up soft targets something fierce. Pistol grip only shotguns are pretty tough to use well. Generally speaking, a stock is the way to go. SBS would be nice, but are verboten where I am. So, one of these plus some sort of quick loading aparatus would be my way of employing it. Probably a car gun. Something more than a pistol, but smaller than a carbine.

>>34174539
Obviously you need to get a 10 round extendo tube for her.

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>>34174520
It all depends on your personal preference and what you feel most comfortable with.

>>34174611
except the who point of the shockwave is it sidesteps the nfa. just cause ca calls anything that shoots a shotgun shell a shotgun doesnt change anything
its perfectly legal to have a "shotgun" in ca

now if they called it an assult weapon or a shortbarreled shotgun it might mean something but theres nothing in what you posted saying that
what kills the judge is the revolving cylinder part not the shotgun part

>>34174630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Hs4do69ms
Looks like the four round version of this is your huckleberry.

>>34174634
Can't without replacing the barrel. The barrel mounts to the end of the magazine tube.

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Is building an 870 something people actually do?

https://www.apexgunparts.com/remington-870-replacement-conversion-kit-good.html

>>34174652
>its perfectly legal to have a "shotgun" in ca
Not if the barrel is under 18 inches.
>just cause ca calls anything that shoots a shotgun shell a shotgun doesnt change anything
It changes the way the Shockwave is defined under CA law. That pistol grip that makes the gun NFA legal, doesn't change the way California law sees the it, because they axed the shoulder-fired (stock) requirement of a firearm to be considered a shotgun, so it doesn't matter if you have a pistol grip or not, it's a shotgun and subject to the 18 inch requirement.

>now if they called it an assult weapon or a shortbarreled shotgun it might mean something
Considering everything I said in this post and my previous ones, the shockwave is considered an SBS under CA law.

>>34174682
How does CA law work with guns like the Taurus Judge that fires .410?

>>34174678
building as in from an 80% no
rebuilding or salvaging parts from another shotgun to make a working gun yes
>>34174682
oh ok

>>34174694

They're considered SBS in CA, cause a revolver is the deadliest thing, like ever.

>>34174694
Shotguns with revolving cylinders were considered "assault weapons" in CA, because of the Street Sweeper and Armsel Striker.

The senate bill I mentioned earlier, targeted the Judge by classifying shotguns as: Not only being fired from the shoulder (it's a handgun), and having either a rifled barrel or smooth barrel (IIRC the Judge had its barrel slightly rifled so it was considered a rifled barrel handgun and not an AOW).

The effect of this: The judge is now considered an assault short-barrel shotgun.

I'd say CA law doesn't work with guns like the Judge, very well.

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>>34174790
and shortening the barrel makes it more deadly

seeing pic related, making a Browning A5 in a "shockwave" config would be awesome

>>34174539
What do you use it for?

No shockwave for me, instead I plan on chopping the barrel off of a cheap mosberg500 copy I found at a pawn shop and then getting a tax stamp.

It's cheaper and more customizable than a shockwave and it goes bang just as well.

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I've had one for a little while.

Couldn't find anyone selling them in Ohio so I bought one on Gunbroker. Sent email to my regular FFL guy and he sends me back a email, not so fast buddy with an attached letter with some opinion letter from a lawyer that this is not legal in the great state of Ohio and he tells me he has to first call the ATF before I can have it shipped to him. Calls me back couple hours later and says ATF told hime how to do the transfer as a non shotgun and all is cool and I'll be shockwaving it this weekend in Ohio!

>>34172090
>they're

jesus christ you went to the trouble of adding an apostrophe and still got it wrong

>>34174651
muh dick

Is Fabarm any good?

>>34174611
>>34174652
>>34174484

So Judge's are illegal in CA?

I'm so glad I left that shit state.

>>34176077
how to tell if something is legal in CA

1. Is it fun?

A: Yes

2. Is it weed?

A: No

Then its illegal in CA

>>34173023
Just traded for a DSA voyager myself. Pretty cute

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>>34172218
Yes it would, but you can actually carry the Deagle. Even if you had a class 3 SOT/FFL, if you were getting mugged in an alley and hosed Jamal down with a Glock 18 you'd lose your license in an instant.

>>34174065
I mean for laser pointers or flashlights under the barrel

>>34179115
Can anyone recommend a /k/ approved light solution?

>>34175272
Memeing