NCO's in the US Military

As an CO it is important to have an NCO. Although I may have the higher rank, the CO has more experience than me on the field, so it is important to listen to his advice. He is also the one that kicks everyone's arse into motion so I don't have to. In short, I give the plan and the NCO helps bring it to fruition.

>>34165905
>be in army for 10 years
>be Plt Sgt (E-7)
>seen it all, been in every position in a infantry plt.
> understand new soldiers and how they act and what training and guidance they need.
VS.
>LT. In army for 2 years. only 6 months of which has been in a line company.
> no combat exp.
>never lived in a barracks
> doesnt deal with the bullshit that joe has to.
> Only wisdom is from time in training (this one time at OCS...)

Which would you rather have in charge?

>>34165905
they serve as a bridge between officers and junior enlisted.

NCOs work for a living.

>>34165905
>what is a team leader
>what is a squad leader
you can't just have brainless rank and file guys running around

>>34165905
I hate how low NCOs get paid. An e5 with 10 years in makes as much as an entry level O1.

I'm in the Air Force and have experienced many shitty E5s but I feel as though they should make similar money at least depending on duty position.

>>34166139
What is the rank of a team/squad leader?

>>34165905
To train and lead

>>34166148
I think it's usually corporal/sergeant

>>34166070>>34165905
I think you mean the NCO has more experience, but yeah basically this.

I'm too lazy to scream and I can't supervise all my junior enlisted, so I need NCO to do that for me. Especially when I have to deal with anything technical I might know enough about the system to know if the work is done properly, but I can't bother to know how to fix everything myself, but I have NCOs to to know that and they can tell my junior enlisted what to do and I can manage all of my systems being fixed and operational.

That's why our technical Officers have multiple NCOs that are master craftsmen, and those NCOs have multiple junior enlisted that are journeymen or trainees. Dunno if it's the same in the US

>>34166181
Close enough to count, yeah.
Oic/CO runs the whole show, NCOs run the moving parts, and junior enlisted are the moving parts.

So what I can gather is that we owe a lot to our NCO's, but they are rarely the source of "funny" stories due to the fact that they take their job seriously and have earned their place with experience rather than money and a numb gag-reflex.

>>34166189
yeah that's the TL;DR. Thanks to NCOs I don't need to bother about anything below OR-5 until they fuck up

>>34166148
Different guy but here's the general rule of thumb for Marine Infantry.

E3 with a deployment under his belt is a team leader.
E4/E5 with 2 deployments will be the squad leader

Often they take an E3 who command likes and fast track them to E4 with a meritorious promotion. Then when it comes time to reenlist they give them E5. They do one more pump as a senior squad leader then usually get their own platoon.

I was groomed for early advancement but after I told them I had no intention of reenlistment they focused their attention elsewhere. So while I became a E4 eventually (NCO in Marines) I still just remained a team leader until I got out. So basically my NCO status just meant I got out of more bullshit, and another E4 I joined with became squad leader because he was reenlisting. That's what other anon means, your billet is more important to chain of command than rank.

>>34166211
Keep forgetting how much the marines work their grunts above their grade. Worst I had to deal with was doing commo, financial classes, and sme for m2 maintenance (lots of soldiers and nco's are dumb and or lazy. Up end it made getting a job easy as fuck when I got out but damn was I an exploited resource of a specialist

>>34166070

What the fuck kind of autism did I just read?

>>34165905

Basically, NCO's:

> train, mentor and develop enlisted
> provide technical and tactical expertise to officers ex: officer receives mission/orders, develops plan with NCO advisory
> are delegated authority from officers to complete mission
> leads and supervises enlisted

Think of it as officers are planning, NCO's are execution and oversight.

I think the shortest way to put it, for the Army. The role of non commissioned officers has developed over time, and conflicts. Their importance and duties increased as casualty rates for officers were quite high at times. Generally since soldiers would stay in and work their way up to NCO status they'd be the most experienced and competent people making them the natural choice of being in charge of a lot of different functions for training and execution of stuff. It wasn't uncommon for enlisted to stay in lower positions like specialists rather than becoming an NCO but it's a bit different now.

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>>34165905
>What is the function of NCO's in the US military?
They make sure the machine doesn't break down.

>>34166181
>fails to understand the horrific power of the faceless masses made up of E-3/E-4s executing the tasks given by the NCOs.

Too junior to be accountable for leadership errors, too far in to be easily intimidated. Too low to actually care about career ending threats.

Thankfully the demands were often trivial. "...alright e-4 mafia...what is your will?"

"We demand pizza" *muffled clamoring* "and a reasonable warning of dorm inspections so as to hide our pornography, we will offer up sacrifices"

And so, the E-4s were warned, and the social outcasts were sacrificed. Also...

>Open door to dorm, for random inspection. saran wrap lol.
>look inside. horror.
>Filled to the ceiling with reddi-whip and inflated sex dolls of various formats.

>>34167172
Some countries don't have the first two bullet points, and they suffer for it.

Throughout most the Middle East, the officers have the technical expertise, and jealously guard it.

>>34166105
Om my god, this.

Fuck butterbars who come in thinking they know everything when Pvt Snuffy has more experience than them.

>>34166148
In the US army a Sergeant is typically a team leader, sometimes a Corporal or a Specialist will be made a Corporal for it.
A squad leader is usually a Staff Sergeant, sometimes a Sergeant will be a squad leader if they're short on people.
A Sergeant First Class will be a platoon sergeant, and a First Sergeant will be over a company.

So a company will be a First Sergeant over them all, a Sergeant First Class over each platoon which will be made up of a couple squads with a Staff Sergeant in charge and each squad will typically be 2 or so teams with a Sergeant in charge of each team. The team will be made up of Specialists and Privates.

This is all dependent on how many guys you've got and special circumstances, but that's how it's supposed to go.

If someone is promotable status, they'll typically put them in a position above their current rank since they basically are that rank, just waiting on points. I had a Staff Sergeant as a platoon sergeant who made points and got promoted.

>>34168665
centralized DA board senior NCO selections have nothing to do with points

Middle manager positions for diversity hires/women

>>34168783
Of course, once you make E7 you're put where big army wants you, but that's different.

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>>34166181
>>34166189


I like these explanations Your mileage may vary depending on service/nation

I find it disturbing the US has almost as many admirals as they have ships

>>34168308
This is a very good reason as to why the USMC makes you earn that E-4. (and, you know, actually be able to call yourself an NCO at that paygrade)

>>34166105
I'll take the butterbar 10 times out of 10. At least their brain is good enough to realize you should earn a commision so you're not living in poverty.

>>34170441
Fuck off butterbar.

>>34170441
implying everyone has the opporunity to spend years on a bachelors

eat shit

>>34166105
Tfw was in for 6 years and only had one good LT

>>34170485
I'm not an officer.
>>34170491
If you can maintain a decent GPA, it's pretty easy to get a full ride. Education is an investment, clearly you lack the foresight to see that.

>>34170538
holy shit you are fucking retarded. no one's getting a full ride based solely on high school GPA, and some people need to eat the instant they turn 18

>>34170568
>wahh I couldn't figure out how to type "how to get scholarships" into google.
Florida will pay for 100% of tuition if your GPA is 3.5 or above.

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>>34170568
>>34170538
Aren't there programs in the armed forces that allow you to study while you're in full time as long as you maintain a C average or something like that?

>>34170606
Yes.

>>34170593
where I am will not

again: are you not tracking that scholarships do not put food in stomach for the entire time it takes to get a degree?

you're not grasping the fundamental concept of rural desperation here

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>>34170632
So what the fuck is this guy even complaining about? That it's too much work to do your job while in and study instead of cracking a cold one with the boys? Sounds like it's easy as fuck to go officer with tools like that to me.

>>34170606
>>34170632
were you just providing the shittiest description of green to gold ever? that would still require what I've been discussing with this clown:

1) born into shit
2) enlist
3) ???
4) not profit, but way less bad than it would have been otherwise

>>34170640
you are retarded

full time study != taking night classes at the education center on post

I'm complaining about this guy being all

"hurr anyone can just get a scholarship, no problems, and go to college immediately after high school"

that argument is nonsense

>>34170606
There's tuition assistance, but there's little to no educational guidance while serving as a junior enlisted outside of the Air Force, so most don't use it or waste it on expensive for-profit colleges with credits that might not transfer.

If you have a job that doesn't work you to death, you can grind out 60 credit hours. if you're dedicated. Some technical jobs like aircraft maintenance will give you experience that can be "turned into" a lot of college credits if you attend a school that offers bachelors degrees in Aviation Maintenance like Embry-Riddle.

>>34170568
Ehh, depends on the state. In Texas and Indiana you can get 4 years of free tuition at a state school pretty easily. It's the cost of living that makes it difficult to just cruise through the 4 years necessary to get a Bachelors degree.

ROTC scholarships that pay the full cost of attendance are extremely competitive.

>>34166148
Depends HEAVILY on the unit.

For example, I was a TL as a fucking PFC in one unit (and all the SL's were corporals or buck sergeants), transferred to another unit and all the TL's were SSG and all the SL's were SFC or MSG.
>that second unit had FOUR sergeants major
Both were line cavalry.

>>34170722
>your post
did you quote the wrong poster? you reiterated everything I've been saying

I mean the other guys are just like "hurrr enlisted dumb" as opposed to officership as historically been a wealthy man's game

>>34168948
Yeah, and fully half of all flag-grade officers are bloating up the fucking Pentagon.

Many of them haven't actually seen an actual operational military base in 10 years.
>>34170516
That's 1 good LT better than most soldiers will see.

>>34170638
4 year ROTC scholarships will. They're full-ride (includes books)+living allowance.

And if you're willing to go to a state school they're piss easy to get and keep (2.8 or better HS GPA, maintain a 2.5 or better in college and attend most of the ROTC functions).

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>>34167085
>reading it stoned
>it all makes sense

G-Guys

>>34166070
So nco is like venom snake a d officer is like kaz?

>>34168948
> what is the general staff

Despite what Ron Perlman would have you think, war has changed since the 19th century.