Middle East Thread "Deir ez-Zor FALLING EDITION"

>>34165026
Deir ez Zor isn't falling, they just captured panorama allegedly.

>>34165143
Go back to 2ch and stop shitposting here

>>34165026
LMAO

all the cancer shitshkins turn on the one non cancer shitskin country in the gulf

>>34165256
Qatar is really a cancer shitskin as well.

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>>34165026
>Deir ez-Zor FALLING EDITION

US Weapons for the SDF. Thought I'd try to dig for some more detail. What I've found so far:

- Pentagon claims to have delivered 'small arms and vehicles' i. " The weapons sent to the SDF's Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units (YPG) include AK-47s and small-calibre machine guns, Rankine-Galloway added."
I got that from http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/begins-sending-weapons-kurdish-ypg-syria-170531042959705.html

- The vehicles are armored, and there are also construction machines. I found that in http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/us-arms-kurds-syria-turkey/index.html but that's a month old.

- "NBC earlier this month reported that some of the items headed to SDF Kurds include ammunition, armor, bulldozers, communication gear, engineering equipment and rifles." So, there's radios too. Got that from http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/335661-us-sending-arms-to-syrian-kurds-report

- "On Saturday, a convoy of military supplies, including weapons and equipment for the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), entered the Syrian city of Qamishli. The convoy included mostly logistical equipment such as water tanks, large containers, a Hilux pickup, two Land Cruiser vehicles, as well as a FMTV A1P2 military truck, which is often used by the US-led coalition forces in Syria." Found that in https://southfront.org/us-supplies-weapons-equipment-support-sdf-operations-syria/

- Breitbart, which is of course Trumps little finger, claim that various high tech stuff has been given to the SDF elites. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/09/trump-defies-turkey-approves-heavy-weapons-syrian-kurds/

>>34165387

So, concluding... If this was the Spanish Civil War of 1939, the kurds would be well equipped. For a ground war. There's not one weapon mentioned above that could deal with a group of tanks, nothing to use against planes or choppers, barely anything that can cope even with the armored suicide trucks of the IS or their rocket launchers. I don't even see mention of proper sniper gear.

>>34165394

Fuck, why did I say 1939. It's more like the gear of 1915. Rifles and machineguns and a few cargo trucks. Land Rovers and Hiluxes bwhahaha.

>>34165409

Let's see, what else is missing... RPG's. Hand grenades. Rifle grenades. Small mortars. MANPADS or anything like it. Even some 20mm cannons to counter the ones IS took from the Iraqi Army. Mine detectors, that would be handly considering how the IS loves to spread mines around.... flame throwers for those tunnels. Some meds for the medics, that would be nice.

But hey, as long as there are blankets to rip apart for bandages and gas to make molotov cocktails the SDF won't be empty handed while they wait for Santa Putin. Or Lady Merkel.

>>34165452
Why would they need manpads

>>34165702

Against the IS? Not much point unless they work against drones. But it would be an added incentive to keep Turkish and Syrian planes at a respectful distance. Not that I think there are current plans for either of them to attack the SDF - but there is nothing like a pilot with a hardon and a full missile rack. And right now we have enough warring factions and front as it is.

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MIG-21 got shot down today. Pilot KIA.
What's left of the pilot in the pic

>>34165912

Ewww. Shot down by who and what, though? I assume it was a SyAf being that old. So shot down by rebels, or by IS? Neither operates planes so something like a manpad (ironically)?

LIBYA WHY
https://www.twitter.com/Oded121351/status/871604311247253504

>>34165924
Forgot to mention it's SyAAf Mig-21 and it was shot down by rebels not IS. About location im not sure.

>>34165942
https://twitter.com/osoudalshrqia/status/871711550536654849

>>34165912
>>34165942
Hmm, Assad doesn't have that many birds under his control that he can use for airstrikes (flying activity for the last month has him doing 10-30 airstrikes) and the US strike on that Syrian airbase probably destroyed half of all Syrian planes. A loss of a single plane might not look like much but when you only have 20 or so of them left every plane counts.

>>34165972
Nah Russians usually assist in pounding targets so that's not a big loss. Plus Syria have around 30-40 operational Mig-29 which are rare to see, only one footage exist of mig-29's being used.

>>34166002
True, Russia has been doing the majority of airstrikes (usually over a hundred while Syria only does 10-30) but as of late Russia has scaled down their bombing to 5-10 airstrikes a day.

If SyAAf gets destroyed Russia can easily fill the gap but it's not sure if they'd do that since Russia is only committing 1/10 of the airstrikes that they used to.

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Su-30 is huge. HUGE!

>>34166142

Agreed. It looked like he walked beneath the Millennium Falcon!

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Pro-American Islamists shot down the MiG-21 in Syria in the desert east of Damascus.

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BREAKING Islamic State (ISIS) cuts diplomatic and economical ties with Qatar in compliance & solidarity with the Gulf volition..

>>34166288
What's your view on the whole gulf thing?

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>>34166306

>>34166357

Special offer today: A chance for even the short sighted spotters and badly cataracted rpg shooters to hit something,

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>>34166357
>BTR-60 welded onto a T-55

>>34166142
>dumb bombs on a fighter

why

Here is some footage from Mosul.

>82nd Airborne
https://youtu.be/5YmI3CbTK_g?list=PLaZ2VHGBwdKqVtoFLbFSWa9gVI3xqpSGH

>Free Burma Rangers
https://youtu.be/nbg6vCWlDPQ?list=PLaZ2VHGBwdKqVtoFLbFSWa9gVI3xqpSGH

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>>34166689
>Some of the saddest footage in /k/ History
https://youtu.be/6MfDLyazInQ

>>34166660
where there is will, there is a way

>>34166357
T R I G G E R E D

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>>34166357
I guess that could be a good idea. It could carry infantry or eat up rounds in place of the hull.

Apparently there has been infighting occurring within Idlib

>https://twitter.com/24Aleppo/status/871714387240902657
>https://twitter.com/AllyOfTruth/status/871737146759098368

>>34166694
>Struggling to get your elderly old man out
>Losing your wife as you flee fighting
>Being wounded and stuck as the vehicle you were escaping in is disable
>That feel

Qatar owned TV channel Al Jazeera's offices in Saudi Arabia were de-licensed and closed today by Saudi govt.

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>>34166689
>Free Burma Rangers
literally who

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>>34166660
Because they can.

>>34166839

They have been active for at least a year in frontline humanitarian work in Iraq, and I guess also Syria. So far I have not heard anything negative about them, but they are not a big operation. Have a nice website though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czepbNJ2pyo

>>34166357
Truly the next evolution in the trend of infantry carriers getting bigger and taller.

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>NIGGERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Ia36I9VAk

>>34167341

Had not figured you for the musical type, Mandic. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6KO7JxU028

>>34165256
Qatar is the one who has been the first and foremost supporting the Arab sprig.

They are the main source of televized pro jihad propaganda.

Support ISIS, AQ, MB, Salafists etc

Seems like they are so cancerous that they even fuck up other sunni countries.

>>34167457
They are pulling everyone out of Qatar and deporting Qatari citizens from other Gulf counties. Are they gonna invade Qatar or what?

>>34167457
>>34167972
I've read Qatar has OK relations to Iran and Saudi-Arabia is therefore hostile towards it.

>>34167972

Probably some Qatar prince has been caught funding IS or something like that, or passing on Saudi intel to them. And since the other monarchies do not want to hang out a fellow princeling lest their citizens start to question the god given royal right to rule, they punch other places.

I feel no qualms for the Quatar royal asses, any more than I do for the others aristos on this planet. But I do wonder if this new political winter season might push the Quatar toward the Iranians' embrace.

>>34168014
or the saudis are just trying to use them as a scapegoat

>>34168066
their shift towards iran most likely. Both of them used to be fine with funding similar religious nutjobs up until now

>>34168066
>>34168099
why doesn't the reply work?

>>34168066
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/871783827659776002

FT story claims Qatar paid HTS and a Iraqi Shia militia millions of dollars in a hostage deal with Iran then used the 4 city civilian exchange as cover for the pay out. There are some insane quotes in the story like "they handed out the money in suit cases , imagine that".
>>34166778
The infighting happens everyday. Just the other day Step had a story of two families in Idlib who took up arms on each other including use of heavy weapons like tanks. Imagine arguing with your neighbor and he drives out a T-55 tank so you respond with your own tank. That's life in Idlibistan.

>>34168099
>>34168120
Because the post was deleted.

>>34168135
why would one pay both HTS and Shia militias?

Requesting videos of war footage with a dank nasheed soundtrack.

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>>34168188

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMJX22UaecY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh8nG7pbE7o

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*~~~~ blocks your path ~~~~*

>>34166142
this looks like WW2 bombs..

>>34168099

Well, I am fairly certain the Saudis and friends have all been funding various groups of religious fanatic over the last two decades. Especially the Saudis. For Qatar to be singled out now, they must have done something particularly interesting. Which doesn't automatically add up. Al Jazeera, which have been the royalty' voice, have not afaik been the most fanatic media voice in the ME. So someone, high up, must have been doing shit on his own. Big shit.

>>34168014
I thought Kuwait was the main financier of the various Sunni extremists? I wonder what Qatar did to piss off the other Gulf allies so bad.

>>34168293

Kuwait? That doesn't add up, although I have been ill informed before, because if they had been raging pro Sunni I don't see why Saddam attacked them back then. Can't speak for the bankiers of course.

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>>34168293
>>34168311

>>34168339
>Dat Cheekrest

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>>34168218
May allah guide your bullets /k/omrade.

Thanks

>>34168218
Got any from the Sunni variety of ragheads?

>>34168339
if the barrel was 30 feet longer, it would like like that sniper gun from trigun

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YEMEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDCStamjvZI

>>34168352

So.... who are the sources for this? Kushner? Steve Bannon? I do assume this is from someone in the US system. I do not have extended confidence in the new administration's insight in neither US diplomatic nor US intelligence resources in the region.

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>>34168462

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtXeOBnRtY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixltimlD9UM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KfvQ9Vzn3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TOWuNMblqk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Tj_oxbjrU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0zw_IalMWk

http://www.dw.com/en/friendly-fire-hits-philippine-troops-fighting-islamists-in-marawi/a-39074280

Friendly fire hits Philippine troops fighting Islamists in Marawi

>>34168631
>I do assume this is from someone in the US system.
its hillary clinton via wikileaks

>>34168135
>Imagine arguing with your neighbor and he drives out a T-55 tank so you respond with your own tank. That's life in Idlibistan
That sounds like someone's living the American dream

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>>34168272

>>34168272
What is 700mm RHA equivalent to in mm of kindling?

>>34168716

I'll buy that. She didn't have a clue about security or diplomacy either.

>>34169169

What you see here isn't cardboard armor but rigger genius. Find the thickest spot of armor on the vehicle, put some cardboard over it and the enemy will aim at that.

>>34168099
>>34168120
>>34168178
Some of the answers were provided above so I removed that post.

Rather interesting that Qatar is drawn to Iran after participating in the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen. Do they not know the Saudis are really autistic about alliances with Iran?

>>34168272
>Can't afford metal skirts
>Lines tread with painted wooden logs instead.

These fucking Thais.

>>34168272
*throws molotov*

>>34169214
I think Qatar was hoping to do a balancing act between the Saudis and Iran. Helping the Saudis overtly (sending troops and equipment to fight in Yemen) while having good relations with Iran covertly.

>>34169267
The worst thing is that if it catches fire the heat from the burning logs would make the gears in the tank tracks to buckle and deform under the weight of the tank causing a mobility kill.

>>34169267

Or they could be driving through swampy jungle a lot. Having some logs to throw under the tracks might be an idea born in prior disasters.

There is long list of SAA advances today. Some minor , some significant, all on their Operation Lavender fronts from south of Palmyra to areas in rural eastern Hama and eastern Aleppo but to their stated final objective there is also breaking.

Deir Ezzor SS reports IS advancing and controlling Umm Abboud and the Siriatel which is between 137th brigade and the panorama.
https://twitter.com/EuphratesPost/status/871841540884312064

Here we go guys, another long night in Deir Ezzor. IS sure loves their night assaults.

>>34169196
mkay. you sound like you have more political experience like her. you got the job, idiotboy.

>>34169390
considering how hard clinton fucked up i doubt it takes much to do a better job

>>34169351
What kind of nightfighting gear does IS have, or the rebels for that matter? Nvg's thermals, and so on?

>>34169430
IS has everything. they basicly looted the latest US shipments to iraq.

>>34169390

No, by all means. Do give the name of any highly skilled US foreign secretary or US intelligence chief you can think of in the last 30 years. Someone who both knew what was happening, and were able to use the resources of the state to make the right things happen. Should be a doozy to make a whole list, right?

>>34169671
the diversity hire rice had no major scandals if my memory doesn't fuck with me

>>34169704

Hm. You know what, I have to concede to her case. Cold as ice but she did seem to have her stuff together. It takes balls, figuratively speaking, to be disliked for your views and she did't get a lot of new friends during her time on either side of the table.

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>>34166660
>>34168284

Yes because cluster munitions are free fall bombs meant to saturate grid squares.

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>>34165337
Lads, can you please post some screencaps of Saudi Arabian atrocities in Yemen news articles so to have them handy when the time comes to shill on other boards.

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TAKBIR bump

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https://youtu.be/_84rpG86XcE

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>US Extends Its Occupation Zone in Southern Syria

Pentagon sets up another US base in southern Syria gobbling up yet more Syrian territory for its "deconfliction" zones
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/us-extends-its-occupation-zone-southern-syria/ri20030

>With ISIS Under Pressure on Every Front, Syrian Army Launches Offensive Against Al-Qaeda

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/isis-under-pressure-every-front-syrian-army-launches-offensive-against-al-qaeda/ri20034

>>34165026
QUick rundown on why sheikhs are blaming other sheikhs of supporting islamism (lmfao)

>>34169211
Not only that but if it's densely enough packed as those bundles look like they probably are it could also work as spaced armor and fuck with the warheads standoff distance. Total standoff distance looks a bit less than a proper cage would give, but reducing potential penetration by any amount before your armor has to be a good thing.

>>34165026
I've been thinking about making a Syrian Civil War Simulator, as bad taste that'd be. It would make an interesting concept though.

>Choose one of the dozen existing factions, but Majors will have to answer to their benefactors and will be slow to act.

>Minors or Player-Generated microfactions can do whatever they want and become Majors but if they cause too much Tension with a Major they can risk fighting them completely.

>>34173081
why /k/, why do they use the WP?

'tard here

how common is the use of child (under 14) soldiers in Iraq? I had this question thrown at me today and I couldn't answer it

>>34174187
Haven't seen anyone that young in videos of the iraqi miltitas maybe 16-17 though

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>>34174157

because fuck ISIS thats why

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>>34173982
Do it please. I love this type of game still sad paradox cold war game git canned

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>>34174187
idk if anybody is keeping track but there wouldnt be anything official anyway. It would all be anecdotal from videos and such. That said Iran was pretty gung-ho about child soldiers in the iran iraq war and IS like to show off how involved the youth are in the movement so . . . some child soldiers but not many? I would think none in the offical iraqi military, perhaps some younger teens in the shia militias, kurds could be the same though im sure its frowned upon for PR reasons and IS is anybodys guess they arm chickens, midgets, donkeys, turkmen, they have no shame

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>>34174477
>IS arms midget

I still giggle at that thought because it's actually true.

>>34173081
Thats one hell of a way to clear out any rooftop snipers and spotters. Me gusta

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4eKEV95XHA

Syria will never be whole after this. I expect to see a small independent state in southern Syria within a couple years.

>>34175051
Im kinda seeing this as the only option both sides will be willing to accept as well. Bet there will be a lot of arguing over who gets what area though

>>34173081
imagine if it was in aleppo, the media coverage.

>>34174157
>>34174214

Given the shitty things IS has done in Mosul, it's rather poetic.

http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-will-retaliate-if-syrias-raqqa-operation-presents-threat-yildirim-2698437

Funny how he didn't say how it could threaten Turkey.

>>34175314
>http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-will-retaliate-if-syrias-raqqa-operation-presents-threat-yildirim-2698437

I think Turkey's problem is obvious. No IS in Raqqa means Turkish income from trading with IS will diminish.

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50th anniversary of Operation Focus yesterday, entrance to the 6-Day War.

>>34175490
>When you lay down on the beach and the sand is too hot.jpeg

>>34175490
Is that ISU -152 in the background?

>>34173982
There already is one on steam, it's called 'Syrian warfare'

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>>34175659
Egypt had SU-100s and ISU-152s in service at the time. Could be.

Two days left until the 50th anniversary of the Israeli sinking of the USS Liberty. 34 dead, 171 wounded. "Woopsie, but here is some money so you will stop talking about it. Oh, and we will need some extra monetary support the next decade."

>>34165026
>"Deir ez-Zor FALLING

Fucking pro yihadi /k/ scum
DeZ will never fall
Issam and his boys are there
LONG LIVE TO ASSAD
LONG LIVE TO THE SAA

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>>34175777
They also had IS-3s, one of the rare instances where the tank actually saw combat. It wasn't well suited to the desert, and didn't distinguish itself.
>>34175820
In a few days will also be the anniversary of the occupation of the Golan, territory with which Israel provides succor to rebels fighting the Syrian government. In some sense, the 6-Day War continues its legacy today.
There is some irony in that Israel's adversaries of the time which sought to dismantle it have all since undergone civil wars, collapses of government, or have become failed states.

>>34175894
Jordan's doing alright as far as Middle Eastern states go, isn't it? At least I don't hear much news about it, and no news is good news when it comes to the ME.

>>34169457
>looted the latest US shipments
>looted

sure

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>>34175933
Jordan has been the most stable historically, outside of the Black September crisis, where the monarchy was close to falling.

>>34175933

Jordan have done well and been lucky, in some ways. They were one of the more successful British protectorates and when they gained independence their army was of a fairly good, British-trained standards. Their leadership and royalty have been keener listeners than the others in the ME. About the worst I can for them is that they have had a massive influx of refugees and even with the international support in running the camps, the impact on their nation is very heavy. This is all from memory though; a quick bit of googling could change the pic.

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>>34175865

>/sg/

>>34166839
>whole 5 minute video explaining who they are and what they're doing
>'lol who'
Doing more than you, anon. Any by the looks of it, actually give a shit about the people there. I already love these guys.

>>34175865
>Replying to Mandick

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rev up those sanctions

>>34177548
He does know Saudi Arabia exists, right?

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reminds me of Ukraine when that airliner went down

SDF held a press conference today and announced that the Great Offensive Against Raqqa starts today.

>>34177548
Someone should remind him that the US and Qatar are allies

>>34177757

If what the Sauds and UAE have been saying is true, Qatar has been the one fronting the terror cells and blaming it on Saudis.

I think it's bullshit desu and they just want the gas reserves. The US should step in, seize Qatar and just run it ala Iraq but have a heavier hand.

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/872157129959931904
>U.S. has hit Assad-allied forces in Syria in At Tanf again

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>>34177951

>amerigoys think they will control Syria-Iraq border

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BREAKING: US-led coalition destroys pro-Syrian government forces within de-confliction zone - Pentagon

>rt.com/news/391150-coalition-strike-syria-forces/

US warship strikes ISIS from eastern Mediterranean - Navy

>.rt.com/usa/391145-us-navy-strikes-mediterranean/

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>>34166288

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>>34178158

>de-confliction zone
so this is the word i have to say, when i want to have some land of a sovereign country

what a time to be alive

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>ISIS affiliated "Khaled bin Al Walid Army" 4 days ago executed 6 of its ex-leaders

>The ex-leaders had a role in assassinating ISIS leader Abu Hisham Al Hamawi aswell as having previous relations with Israel. It's also found that Abu Obaida Qahtan along with others used to visit Israel through Wadi Al-Yarmouk

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>>34177713
This is their advances today.
>>34178158
Step just picked up the story and says many pro SAA forces in the convey were wounded or killed but it's unclear what the total damage is by US airstrikes. Yea, this is clearly the biggest military news today.

The good news for the SAA is IS been quiet in Deir Ezzor since being beaten back last night in their assault on brigade 137th. I doubt they will try the same tonight or if they do it will be shelling as usual.

Some heavy airstrikes in Daraa plus a TFSA raid on the YPG on the Afrin side. Lastly NSA attacked SAA forces near Zaza checkpoint earlier today.

>>34177757
The US is "allies" with Pakistan who harbored OBL. That's the biggest bullshit ally the US has.

Whats the name of the factions that the US are supporting in southern Syria?

>>34166694
>>34166689
these guys are doing gods work and proving that fixing a bullet hole is just if not more important than making one

>>34178353
will deir ezzor be the last stand for isis?

>>34178429
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_of_the_East_Army

These guys. They recently launched a offensive on SAA forces called "This land is ours"

>>34178466
It's their last stronghold other than in eastern Homs, rural eastern Hama which is a main target for the Russians.

>>34178098

Now we are doomed. Assad has got Chuck Norris to fight for him.

>>34175933
Jordans's doing fine now but mostly because after the previusly mentioned Black September crisis it said fuck you to the rest of arabia and started westernising again

>>34173283

Why is the US such a cancerous shit disturber and evil-doer?

>>34178158
>approach coalition forces
>get told to back off
>don't
>act surprised when an airstrike hits

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>>34178660

>get told to back off

in Syria

Why are they bombing it? Fuck that, i wanted to see some US SF vs Chiite milicia.

>>34178660
do you realize the coalition forces are the invaders there? no one invited them to Syria

>>34178720
>>34178976
Yet they are there, who gives a fuck?

You really think the US was going to let that many pro-government militias get close to their base?

>>34178976
invaders of what? ISIS territory?

>>34179009
>>34179021
They are within Syrian borders. What justification for them is to be there? Absolutely none.

>>34179037
They are fighting ISIS and controlling that border crossing

Syria lost complete control of its borders and the majority of its territory, it isn't going to be respected by other nations because of this

Its unrealistic to assume the US would ditch its entrenched base its been operating out of just because some sandal wearing Afghani militia men stumble into their kill zone

>>34179037
What does that matter?
>Why are they bombing anyone who comes too close? They're not even supposed to be there!

>>34179057
So national borders are just some made up concept that US army can afford just not adhere to it? If that's so, Syrian army has full right to "retake " that territory from the US. Guess who's going to be whining when US soldiers in Syria start to die.

>>34179009
Their point is the minor one that the US is in a foreign country uninvited, and whilst their help with IS is appreciated, in some hypothetical world where the US gave a fuck about laws and/or manners they would immedaitely gtfo the moment any government-allied forces moved in to retake an area temporarily held by the US.

But it's pretty irrelevant because what's actually happening is nothing new in the slightest and everyone knows the US is there to cockblock Assad as hard as they can in the hope that something will happen to topple him, at least as much as they're there to fight IS. They're in the wrong entirely but don't give a fuck because Russia has no interest starting WW3 calling them out over it, and nobody else can even consider doing so.

>>34179087
>So national borders are just some made up concept that US army can afford just not adhere to it?

Uh, yeah, sovereignty is a meme and is regularly violated by the US, how new are you to international relations?

>Syrian army has full right to "retake " that territory from the US

Good thing the SAA isn't capable of doing so nor are they willing seeing as its only pro-gov't militias backed by Iranian leading the charges so far towards the border for very obvious reasons

>Guess who's going to be whining when US soldiers in Syria start to die.

Good luck with that, I'm sure a few dozen more Afghani retards in flip flops will get drone'd before then trying to advance towards the base for the third time

>>34179096
>They're in the wrong entirely but don't give a fuck because Russia has no interest starting WW3 calling them out over it, and nobody else can even consider doing so.

This, people are acting like the US will obey and respect the Syrian government's wishes but they won't

US fighting ISIS? In your dreams. If anything, they're protecting them.

>>34179118
>>>/pol/

>>34179087
Russia broke that seal in Ukraine. US is showing 2 can play at that game.

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>>34179143

>>34179143
Lel, man, the US and Russia have been violating sovereignty for a century now, there is nothing new about this and it most certainly didn't start because of eastern Ukraine

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hom6dgFEWGc

>>34179245
Wheres this at

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>>34179277

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.572294&lon=36.896210&z=11&m=b

>>34179325
>completely random hill in the middle of the desert

w-wew

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>>34179331

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>>34178976

https://cairnsnews.org/2015/09/30/muslims-suffer-insanity-low-iq-recessive-disorders-from-1400-years-inbreeding/

>>34177616
Those darn BUK missile bullets fired from Su-25s!

>>34165026


YESSSSS

Arab interwar when?

>>34179118
Same goes for Russia. Outside of Deir ez-Zor and occasionally Palmyra, Russia is not bombing ISIS.

>>34179737

Qatar won't be invaded and they can't invade anyone themselves. Don't be deceived by the political nonsense. Under the surface, Quatar private money is tightly intervowen with the Saudi countries. Nothing like the dance of princes under the arabic moonlight.

QATAR WAS JUST GIVEN 24 HOURS TO FULFILL THE FOLLOWING 10 CONDITIONS:

- وقف التدخل في الشؤون الدّاخلية المصرية
>no longer meddling with the internal affairs of egypt
- قطع العلاقات الدبلوماسية مع إيران فورًا
severing all ties with iran
- طرد جميع أعضاء حركة حماس
the removal of all hamas party members from qatar
- ترحيل قيادات الإخوان المتواجدين في الدوحة
the removal of all islamic brotherhood memebers from qatar
- تجميد الحسابات البنكية لقيادات حماس والإخوان وحظر التعامل معهم
freezing all bank accounts of hamas and islamic brotherhood and no longer doing deals with them
- إيقاف بث قناة الجزيرة فورًا
stopping all al jazeera podcasts
- إعلان رسمي بالاعتذار لجميع الحكومات الخليجية عما بدر من إساءة من قناة الجزيرة
sending a formal apology to all gulf states
- تعهّد الدوحة بعدم القيام بأي دور سياسي يتنافى ويتعارض مع سياسة دول الخليج الموحّدة
no longer having any foreign policy acts that harm the whole of the gulf states
- أن تلتزم الدوحة بميثاق العهد الذي وقع عام 2012 في عهد الملك عبدالله
encting the pact of 2012 with king abidalla
- عقد اجتماع في جدة يضم دول الخليج ومنهم قطر، لوضع آليات صارمة لأسلوب التعاون في الفترة المقبلة
hosting a meeting in jiddah to enact ways to improve cooperation in the near future

>all of this in 24 hours

This ultimatum was designed to fail. War is coming to Qatar.

>>34178643
So much for Trump disengaging from Mideast geopolitics. Looks like business as usual with US foreign policy.

>>34173081
Burn ISIS out of their hide-y holes
>>34175100
UN TRIBUNAL DECLARE CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION HAVE INDEED BEEN USED ON THE INNOCENT BABIES OF ALEPPO THIS SHIT IS GOING TO THE HAUGE CONFIRMED PLEASE BAKE ME A LOAF OF BREAD

>>34180223
Nice source, dumbass.

>>34180223
>t. Austrian Empire

>>34175808
I can see the "Syrian Civil War Museum" now
>IEDs
>Foreign Weapons and attachments
>Homebrew Uniforms and gear
>DIY weapons
>Islamist/Rebel propaganda for people to laugh at
>Outside there's a whole parking lot dedicated to Hellcannons, artillery pieces, technicals, tanks and other shit
It's going to be glorious

>>34180523

Wouldn't a big hole in the ground with a pool of blood at the bottom be a more accurate display?

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>>34180536
I mean, you could have the blood fountain in the front if you want

>>34180504
Jordanian friend of mine translated it from an Arabic news site.

>>34180602

It's on a few other news websites too, although not any of the big ones yet. I must admit, I struggle with the idea of Saudi Arabia going aggro against Hamas.

>>34180714
Considering Iran was willing to fund Hamas after the Saudis backed out of financing them in 2006 following Hamas' electoral victory and EU pressure in response, it's hardly surprising at this point.

At this rate the Saudis don't seem to show any geopolitical pragmatism and is just doing anything to fuck with the Iranians, stability be damned.

>>34180866

2006 is ten years ago. I am no fan of Hamas but I was of the impression that they had a lot of backing among the arab populations. Especially since the Hamas have been challenged by IS in some of the huge refugee camps.

>>34180959
Oh right, there were more ups and down in Iranian funding as well. If that's the case, what else could Hamas have done to antagonize the Saudis?

>>34181049

The only thing I can think of is that the Saudis want to put a big grin on Netanyahu. Which would be a first, but after the Trump visit, who can tell? It might all be wind and smoke while they make sure to fund Hamas through some third and fourth party. But can the Saudis risk showing too much fondness for the Israelis? These are not good times to really piss off the average arab semi-fundamentalistic man in the street.

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>>34180223
well this is escalating quickly . . .

>>34168339

>New for 2017 from Kryptek

>>34169704
>rice had no major scandals

Except for that whole Benghazi YT video thing.

>>34173081

>Da roof, da roof, da roof is on fire, we don't need no water let that muthafucka burn!

Dat willy pete is sexy

>>34175820
Dunno why mudslimes are always so butthurt about that. Vietnam killed 58,000 Americans and STILL celebrates it, and US is currently giving them aid. Yet not a peep

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>>34173982

Sounds like a plan anon

>>34177548
>meanwhile giving a 110 billion dollar arms deal to Saudi Arabia

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>>34179118

Happening in qatar when?

>>34180223
Arabs vs Arabs... who wins... :thinking:

Shite vs Sunni: Qatari boogaloo

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/872352382625210369
>Seems the parliament session is still ongoing while security forces surround the attackers, including a suicide bomber

Based Iran

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>>34177713

All this talk of Qatar and I'm just sitting here watching if the SDF and OIR can really pull off talking Raqqa.

>>34177548
He's not really great with foreign policy, is he?

>>34185408
shhh, someone is gonna come and call you "shill", "hillbot" or "amtifada" soon

>>34185408
Nope, he sold out to the Saudis

The West is dead. There are no more chances to fix the mess we have found ourselves in

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>>34185597
Obama attempted to curb Saudi power with the Iran deal, too bad that Trump is now trying to undo as much as he can.

>>34185644
Also didn't he shit on a Saudi prince on twitter and commented that Hillary was taking bribes from the Saudis through the Clinton Foundation?

What the fuck is he doing?

>>34185351

They will take it. But don't hold your breath. This could take as long as Mosul. Street to street, cellar to cellar, tunnel to tunnel fighting with civilians stacked in every building is not a recipe for quick victories.

>>34185776
His very best, anon

>>34185814
Still, it'll make for more good fighting footage.

>>34185776
>What the fuck is he doing?

Nth dimensional chess of course!

The Donald works in mysterious ways Anon.

>>34179057
But they are in a sovereign country without permission from the government. Like Mexico invading southern California for "fighting drug trafficers".

>>34185916

You make it sound like this does not happen all the time. As long as the incursion is done by a vastly much stronger country or group than the one invaded, they are going to get away with it. That is how the UN operates all the time. Don't like it? Complain to... drumroll... the UN.

What I am curious about, is how this 'border control' is paid for. The US must be burning off a million dollars every hour to keep it running. What budgets is this fun money diverted from?

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US sources claim that Al-Zukf base was established for two purposes: one is to block the path of the Syrian army - armored column "Hezbollah", which progressed during the last two weeks of the Al-Suwaidi in the south-east Syria's transition towards Al-TANF.

Another US goal is to capture the key town of Abu Kamal, a distance of 200 km north-west of Al-TANF.

However, the main purpose of the American avant-garde base is the problem to prevent the Syrian government forces and their allies, "Hezbollah" and other pro-Iranian forces to take control of the 300-kilometer stretch of the Syrian-Iraqi border.

US forces are not alone in its bid for control of this strategic area. There becomes very crowded.

4th Panzer Division of the Syrian army unfolded this week in the southern Syrian city of Daraa near the Jordanian border and about 330 km to the west of the new base Al-Zukf. The division is equipped with new tanks T-90 Russian-made and it is headed by the younger brother of Bashar al-Assad, General Maher Asad. General and staff officers began to inspect Daraa countryside on the eve of the outbreak of hostilities.

Part of the future battlefield are no more than 1,000 meters from the border with Jordan.

Our sources of intelligence also reported that this week, further north, the commander of a special unit of the Iranian "Al-Quds", Major General Qasem Soleimani, crossed Syria from Iraq along with his operational headquarters. They joined the command of the Syrian army in Palmyra, which extends from the two columns in the direction of two cities: Deir ez-Zor, which is surrounded by an "Islamic state" forces, and Abu Kamal, which is under the control of ISIS. Together with Syrian troops fighting units Russian elite troops and "Hezbollah".

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> Lavrov: Deconfliction zones in Syria announced without Damascus’ consent illegitimate

Russia considers the US-led coalition airstrike against pro-Damascus fighters in Syria an act of aggression and rejects the justification for the attack issued by the Pentagon, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

The Tuesday airstrike near the town of At Tanf in eastern Syria “was an aggressive act, that violated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic and – deliberately or not – targeted the forces which are most effective in fighting terrorists on the ground,” the minister said on Wednesday.

The Pentagon justified the attack by saying that the pro-government forces “advanced inside the well-established deconfliction [sic] zone in southern Syria.”
The US claimed that it attacked the pro-Damascus convoy because it posed threat to “partner forces” based in At Tanf. The Pentagon stated that an area within 55km from the town was a designated “deconfliction zone,” where forces not allied with the US are apparently not allowed to enter.

Lavrov rejected that reasoning, saying that he is not familiar with the term.
Read more


“I don’t know anything about such zones. This must be some territory, which the coalition unilaterally declared [deconfliction zones] and where it probably believes to have a sole right to take action. We cannot recognize such zones,” he said.

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>>34186321

Updated numbers on the Teheran parliament attack toay. 12 dead, 42 wounded. The 4 dead attackers are in addition to this, I think. ISIS have taken the blame.

>>34186445

That can't be complete. There are more forces than the US at Al Tanf.

>>34186321
>4th Panzer Division of the Syrian army
I want zombie Rommel to resurrect and go to Syria to lead this unit.

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Holy fuck, we 1914 now.

>BREAKING NEWS: Iran Revolutionary Guards blame Saudi Arabia for deadly attacks in Tehran

>Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have accused Saudi Arabia of masterminding the deadly attacks in Tehran on Wednesday, in which at least 12 people were killed. Earlier the terrorist group Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attacks.

.rt.com/news/391254-iran-blame-saudi-attacks/

>>34186461
>>34186461
This is the same guy that does the maps for debka, so he's biased towards pissrael naturally

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>>34186595
>There is no way this could escalate

>>34186595
That's stupid. They don't actually believe that.

>>34186614

I appreciate that he takes the trouble to make the maps. But when you see some of the info being wrong you wonder what else is.

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>>34186595

>Modern times

http://webm.land/w/jkWV/

>>34186452
Terror attacks aren't a thing in Iran. People in charge of internal security are gonna have a bad week.

>>34186709

I know. I don't think I have ever heard of IS striking in Iran before at all - for one thing their secret services are as scary as the Mossad. But seeing how Iran militias have been trying to hurt ISIS in Iraq it was probably just a matter of time.

>>34186324
Being a diplomat must be a funny job.

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>>34186595

>we 1914

watch the markets boys, you can see the exact moment they realized it was really happening

>>34186709
If Isis didn't cover their tracks effectively, many other people involved are going to have a bad week.

>>34186595
IRGC statements should be ignored. They do not represent Iran's foreign policy and have a vested interest in fueling the flames.

>Syrian Army's Allies Threaten US With Retaliatory Strike After Tuesday Attack

An operational headquarters of the allied forces of the Syrian government army, which includes the forces of Lebanon's Hezbollah as well as Iran, has threatened the US-led coalition with a retaliatory strike following the latest coalition attack on Damascus positions.

DAMASCUS (Sputnik) — The US-led international coalition fighting Daesh terrorists in Syria announced on Tuesday that it had launched a strike on the Syrian pro-government forces as they had entered an established US-Russian de-confliction zone near the town of al-Tanf. A well-informed source told Sputnik on Tuesday that at least two Syrian army servicemen were killed and more than 15 were injured as a result of the attack.

"The blood of the sons of Syria, the Syrian Arab army and its allies is not cheap, and we have capabilities to attack their [US] positions in Syria and surroundings if it is necessary, taking into account the availability of rocket and different military launchers," the headquarters said in a statement.

The Syrian allies called the US actions "a coward aggression" and accused Washington of "hypocrisy" in its fight against terrorism.

Sounds like Bashar al-Asshurt is asking for another tomahawking

Tell me stuff about the US air base in Qatar?

>>34186936
Well, r/SCW seems to think that few Tochkas on Al Tanf should suffice to remove US presence.

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>>34187001

IT'S HUGE!
B52

>>34186936
>headquarters attacks US troops
>headquarters ceases to exist the next day

They can't defend against US air/seapower and they will lose the war if they make good on their threats.

US, with just sea and air, has the capacity to grind assads armor and air advantage to a halt.

Russia has shown to not want to get in a fight with the US over Syria.

It would be fundamentally stupid.

>>34187021
>attacking us forces will make them go away.

More proof reddit is full fucking retard.

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Friendship with SA is over, Iran is my friend now.

>>34187031

I did find this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base
Doesn't say anything about the size or number of troops though, and there is no info newer than 2014. If the US is seen as supporting the Saudi antagonism then things should get interesting down there pretty quick.

>>34187074
It's a smart choice. If Qataris survive, in long term they can invest far more into Turkish economy that Saudis can. After all Saudis have 20 million people, Qatar is 200k.

>>34187001
>>34187031
>>34187087
There is probably 10,000~ US military personnel and another 10,000 contractors there

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>>34187074

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/05/russia-is-finished/302220/

>>34187459
>pre-9/11 america
Things were simpler back then.

>>34187074
Is Erdogan ever happy? I don't think I've ever seen him smile.

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State Department issued a statement. How will Trump fuck this up, there so many possibilities.

>>34187074

Turkey just announced that they will be sending Turkish soldiers to a base in Qatar, to beef up their national security.

>>34187716
well, if the latest days are any indication, lots and lots of distasteful tweets?

>>34187716
He blames it on the Saudis. Iran and Saudi Arabia go to war. Saudi Arabia destroys Iran's oil. Iran destroys Saudi Arabia. Oil prices rise as the Persian Gulf is impassable. US become worlds greatest supplier of oil.

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A bunch of articles came out about the attack, most of which are trying real hard not to use the word "terrorist" as to avoid looking like Iranian sympathizers.

Assad must go
t. /k/

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>>34185814
I can imagine.

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>>34165026
Bu...but its Ramadan and we cant eat Qatayef without Qatar

>>34188920
Is that white cheese and eggs in pancakes?

>>34188091
Russia and Venezuela would be pleased too.

>>34188943
Look up qatayef on wikipedia No eggs , some are made with white cheese, some with cream, but mainly with sweet nuts and crushed almonds and other things, its finished with molten hot sugar syrup on poured top and its called Qatar.(we are in ramadan the month in which its mainly eaten) . the irony. But its delicious af

>>34188997
scotland and norway would also be pleased

>>34188521
Assad will go if he directly attacks us forces.

Not really anything political there, just th truth. If he leaves is forces alone he won't go anywhere.

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>>34189162
>You aren't allowed to attack foreign forces invading your country.
American media can't get away with straight out lying constantly any more, we have the internet.

>>34189682
You really think the US wouldn't do anything back if their base was actually attacked?

What the law is irrelevant, the US has operated against sovereign nations before

>>34188091
The whole world would be pleased aside from Americans and Israel.

Trump has just called the emir of Qatar and offered his help to negotiate between Qatar and the Saudis.

...

....pfffffffffftBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>>34165026
>>34180223

What could Turkey and Iran realistically do? Iran is closer by just across the Persian gulf, but they have to land route to push a counter attack. Given how small Qatar is and how it would be surrounded by hostiles, even sustaining a defensive position seems to be challenging enough.

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>>34166142
whats your point walter?

>>34185776
Hes trolling reddit and pol

>>34187459

qt article

Good stuff on the Libyan conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbBXk4iW5Q

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>>34187716
4 planes wasn't enough.

>>34168010
That's part of the reason, but a very minor one.
For example Oman has even better relations with Iran but was never singled out for it.

>>34168293
Nope, it's mainly KSA and Qatar. With Qatar usually supporting the more extremists among extremists.

>>34168289
It easily adds up when you consider that Qatar was financing and supporting the MB in Egypt.
Same goes with for the civil war in Libya, where most of the Arab world and Qatar support different factions.
>>34169293
Their relations with Iran were never really strong, just not as hostile and KSA.
They are the main supporter of the MB, which tends to have historically ok-good relations with post revolution Iran, so not a surprise.

>>34190431
Would be very weird if the Qataris accept Iranian forces on their soil, very doubtful this would happen. It comes with a huge price and would most likely lead to them losing control of their country for the Iranians.
It's also weird b/c of the US large base there.

Turkish soldiers is a completely different matter. Those can be used as a political deterrent as well, with KSA not wanting to kill Turkish troops.

>>34180714
>>34180866
>>34180959
>>34181049
>>34181155
Hamas is a branch of the MB, who has been in conflict with Egypt's gov, in conflict with gulf/Egypt supported faction in Libya and in political conflict with Saudi preachers as well.

Hamas has been supporting those MB branches actively. Post is already too long, but I can go into detail if anyone is interested.

They are denouncing Hamas for their own reasons, just like Iran denounced Hamas back in the early days of the Syrian civil war, because Hamas supported the rebellion, not because of love for Israel.

Turkey's move here is pretty interesting. If SA wants to build their pipeline to Europe, they don't really have other option than going through Turkey.

Does anyone know what sate Turkey/Iran relations are in?

>>34179143
Either top bait or fully retarded

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-J0C3mj4s

>>34195166

Do you buy the theory that the Obama administration knowingly supported the Arab Spring as a way to bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power?

>>34195166
>Hamas is a branch of the MB, who has been in conflict with Egypt's gov, in conflict with gulf/Egypt supported faction in Libya and in political conflict with Saudi preachers as well.
>Hamas has been supporting those MB branches actively. Post is already too long, but I can go into detail if anyone is interested.
>They are denouncing Hamas for their own reasons, just like Iran denounced Hamas back in the early days of the Syrian civil war, because Hamas supported the rebellion, not because of love for Israel.

Ah. Now this makes sense. I knew Hamas had friends in Egypt, they have all those smuggling routes for a reason, but I was not aware that the friends were the Muslim Brotherhood. Arab Spring and so on - no wonder the Saudis are unhappy. But this link is not a recent development if I understand you correctly. Why do they go eyeball to eyeball on this now, or is it just an extra issue thrown in to beef up the list of ultimates?

So, how long until Comey has an unfortunate accident with the gas main at his house?

>>34196626

That's not how it is done any more. An unfortunate illness or an unexpected heart attack is more like it. How sad that the hospital will be unable to pinpoint the illness and their chemical treatness only speeds the patient toward a sad painful end. Everyone questions an explosion these days, while nobody wants to read the articles about his testicular cancer or weakening arteries. How bad. So sad. But rest assured that the country appreciates all his good work.

>>34189724
So how can US blame Russia for Crimea? Same thing, and what's more, native population supported the "occupants". US now does it in Syria, and of course, they are supported by some of the "Syrians" (read ISIS & folks). I wouldn't mind if the US said that yeah, might is right and let everyone do what they want, as long as they can afford to do it. But this all is just dumb propaganda at this point.

>US is in an Illegal War With Syria and Nobody’s Talking About It

http://theantimedia.org/us-illegal-war-with-syria/

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>>34197330

Don't worry about it goy.

>>34196782
>Comey died today. Stabbed himself in the back and threw himself of a bridge. So sad. MANY SUCH CASES. He fell victim to the evil he covfefe

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV85rZrP54Y

>>34196424
> was not aware that the friends were the Muslim Brotherhood
They're not friends; Hamas is literally a (separate) wing of the MB.

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Assad , amongst his people

American president -hiding behind protective glass

VIDEO

https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/872895364709437444

>>34198313
Obama confirmed for being a flaming homo that no one likes

Emir of Qatar turned down trumps request to visit him in the White house , he will go to president Putin in Moscow instead this saturday

aeee, US cucked once again ...

>>34197330
>>34197258
>being this naive

Well, there's one confirm. Turkey has decided it is going to send troops to Qatar. Numbers are as yet unknown, but previous agreement allow for sending regular troops, military police, and units for training the Qatar police. Which normally means special forces. Erdogan's going to get a lot of bang for his bucks.

What happens if Saudi Arabia tries to straight-up invade Qatar?

>>34198617

Meh. In theory it would be a zerg rush. The armies are something like 30 to 1. That they both have fairly modern equipment should not make a difference. But neither army has shown any particular fighting spirit. It's easy to be in a tank when the USAF is hovering over you taking out ever target in the vicinity. More than half the Quatar army are foreigners, while half the Saudi armi might only be there on the paper. If anything, I suspect the Qatars could get beefed up by foreign volunteers eager for a chance to bloody the US lackeys' noses yet again, which could draw things out for a long time. And I doubt this would be a popular war for long home in Saudi lands. Especially once casualties start mounting and the terror at home part really gets rolling.

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>>34198617
have you been following yemen? They would probably all drowned in a puddle

>>34188920
Fuckin kek

>>34198617
Ever seen the clip of Abu Hajar? Like that, only both sides will play the role of Abu. Ad in some Benny Hill theme and a lot of indiscriminate bombing

Is the SAA retarded? No way they just tried to drone the garrisons lmao

They aren't getting to that border crossing I don't know why they are wasting so much time and resources there

>>34199226
After 6 years of this shit; do you really still need to ask that question?

>>34199235
I wonder if its an ego thing at this point, I know saving face is a very prominent thing in Arab culture but at this point its just straight up suicide trying to hit those garrisons since the US double down on them

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>>34199226

>They aren't getting to that border crossing

>>34199226
Drone wasnt armed.

US shot the drone ,cause they didnt want to be monitored.

>>34199307
They aren't lol, not while that US garrison is there

>>34199310
Yeah I doubt it was armed either, but there were two drones that were shot down so the US is clearly getting annoyed

I'm Russian and them will have a talk and figure out a solution, like moving the garrison further north into ISIS territory and away from that specific border crossing, I think some kind of deal regarding that and an agreement not to fuck with the future garrison for a certain period of time may appease both sides

>>34198617
>>34198617
I am curious about this as well, since both countries are home to very significant US bases and troops.

What a fucking shit show that would be.

>>34199326

I really can't see that happening. That US base isn't there because of the IS.

>>34199352
Its to prevent a landbridge from reopening, that highway would be a major, major prize for the government and would only accelerate the PMUs entry into the war (beyond whats currently involved)

Iran would be sending entire convoys of arms and troops through that border crossing if they got it

>>34199342

The US can just say that they don't want to be involved and stay on the bases. The funny part is that they are sharing those bases with the local armed forces. And I really can't imagine the US defending their Qatar buddies against their Saudi buddies. Worst case scenario for the US would be that they might lose one of the bases because of having to vacate it so the Saudis could eradicate the Q's.

>>34199376
>so the Saudis could eradicate the Q's.

I wish a nigga would, can you imagine if they went through with it citing some batshit religious reasoning and sending that part of the world into flames

>>34198617

They probably wouldn't even be able to coordinate any attack beyond the small unit scale.

>>34199397
They have SOME practice in a real grinder of a war in Yemen

They'd at least be a bit more prepared for this at the minimum

>>34199395

Like most wars, it would be a conflict where the real issues were political. Qatar have tried to place themselves in an advantageous position, using diplomacy on one hand and trickery on the other, buying friends here and backstabbing the competition there. Same as most other big countries on the planet. Trouble is, Qatar is tiny and might not get away with it this time. Not without some kind of losses. If this actually does end in war, it is for political reasons. Not for religious. That war would be brief, but the occupation would be hell and rebellion guaranteed because of all the third parties wanting a slice of the plunder.

>>34198992
They may be in a hurry to escape from the Houthis, but jesus fuck, does the dumbfuck driving the first vehicle think the axles are indestructible?

>>34179037
I generally agree with you, but Syrian territory is only sovereign if they retain direct control of said territory.

That is like Hobbesian state-politics 101, not to mention, the majority of human-history.

>>34195514
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-J0C3mj4s
those are some very asian-looking fighters there

>>34197330
>theantimedia