U.K. should learn

>>34156363
All of them.

>>34156363
It's shite here m8. We're not even allowed to use self-defense as a reason for owning any gun even though that's what we need them for nowadays.

I was hoping these attacks might push the ban of handguns to be withdrawn. They'd probably be the best way to defend against these lone attackers or small groups who haven't actually communicated with a command. However the fact that that guns weren't used means it probably won't happen cause the liberals will say legal handguns will make the next attack worse.

>>34156363
>But thank god British citizens don't have easy concealed carry to hurt themselves.
If guns were less regulated to that extent, then the terrorists would have been using guns instead of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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Fellow bongs - email your MPs!


Hello [insert your MP here]

I plan to vote conservative in 2017 (mostly) in the name of Brexit. However there is another topic that simply isn't spoken about in parliament - while it did annoy me in the past, at this point it is too much.
In 1903 Britain passed its first ever gun control law, a minor one requiring a permit to carry a handgun and restricting the age of purchasers. Which I fully support and understand
In 1936 fully automatic firearms were outlawed. Which I completely understand
HOWEVER - In 1946 "self defence" was no longer considered a good reason for requiring a police issued firearms certificate. This was wrong.
In 1953 carrying any type of weapon for self defence was made illegal. This was also wrong.

We now live as a disarmed populace, one that has to "run, hide, tell" when the worst happens, women cannot defend themselves if they're being raped, and other people cant defend themselves from thugs etc.
Criminals will either obtain guns illegally, or use other methods such as knives or vehicles.
Banning the right to self defense as on the whole greatly harmed Britain - In this modern society where we can do a very deep background check on individuals it is very easy to deny those who should not own guns that possibility, meanwhile ensuring decent people can protect their families and communities - EVEN if its not handguns, even if its just tazers or something. I just want the public to have an option outside of "run, hide, tell" which is so sad.

I have linked images of "firearms per 100 people" in which you can see the trend for homicide goes DOWN with more firearm availability, and homicides in England which as you can see has shown no benefit to banning firearms. Please take these into consideration and call for parliament (after the GE) to return to people the right to self defense!

Regards,
anon

>>34156363
Sure is a nice Western Civilization, you got there, it'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it...

>>34156677
At a certain point, you've got to take your chances with the good old "better judged by 12, than carried by 6" wager.

>>34157565
Done
Cheers m80

>>34157211
this is probably true. and, in reality stabbings are a far too common occurrence in the UK, and London in particular. but, since it is poor people stabbing poor people, and there is no political agenda to be sensationalized, they are hardly ever reported even on the local news.

>>34157565
Will do anon, thanks for reminding me about this. I've been wanting to get this idea around recently but didn't think of contacting my MP, this is my first chance voting so I have no experience getting my voice heard.

>>34157602
I completely would. I'd agree with the systems we have with other guns - member of a club, safe storage requirement, massive background and mental health checks. Even if a terrorist did attack with a handgun I'd rather take my chances on equal grounds than being bum-rushed by one with a knife.

>>34157565
>homicide rate chart stops 17 years ago
>homicide rate chart leaves out most of the years in the time that it does cover
I hope you aren't planning on sending them a picture of that chart, because if I got a chart like that with a letter I would be tossing that letter in the trash and ignoring it.

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at least get a shotgun certificate bongs, cmon!

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>>34156363
>U.K. should learn
you wont, none of you western eurocucks will until you've all been jihad'd and fully diversity'd

>>34157565
>I plan to vote conservative in 2017 (mostly) in the name of Brexit.

nope and nope.

>>34157957
Change it to personal taste, I'm sure as hell not voting Conservative but I'm saying I will anyway to sugar the fucker up.

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>>34156372
fpbp

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>>34157946
just sayin...

>>34158036
Oh please
This doesn't show the Reconquista or even when the Templars sacked Constantinople

Those "Muslim conquest battles" include when the disputes between Sunni and Shia

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>>34156363

>>34156363
Daily reminder: westerners are cucked as fuck

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>>34158107
t. sheik ben "the maddest jihadist" aflaki

>>34158131

western eurocucks are fucked.

we amerifags are just waiting for this shit to happen here that isn't a night club or college

there have been about 10 million guns sold in the US in 2016... so... we're ready...

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>>34158131
soon brother...

>>34157565

GET A LIFE AND BIN THAT KNOIF!

>>34158163
You're cucked too, you just haven't realized it whereas the brits are just now.

>>34156363
Even your penal colonists are laughing at you...

>>34158147
Fuck off muzzie
You can't just cherry pick which crusade battles you want but completely fill in every jihadist battle

>>34157733
>there is no political agenda to be sensationalized

you'd be surprised what people can come up with

>>34158179
>t. Muslim cuck that has conformed to our culture
I bet you eat pork lmao. Feel free to pretend you're a brave and proud Muslim but at the end of the day, our laws are the god that confines you

>>34158163
> we're just waiting for them to attack in a situation that plays to all our strengths and none of theirs

In the UK its vehicles, small homemade bombs and knives precisely because it isnt easy to get firearms, if it was they would. In the US it would be AR15s and VB-IEDs. One guy with a concealed carry would do about as much good as a guy in the UK pulling a knife. Also its not like theres a siren for 'ISIS is attacking, return to your homes and then come back with guns!'. Unless you are open or concealed carrying thats all you have, shit happens quick.

>>34158301
Your post just reeks of cucked neckbeard, thanks for literally proving my point

>>34156677
We all know that if handguns get legalized here fucking chavs will spend 15 years pretending to be responsible citizens so they can get a handgun then pop gaz for neckin on hiz missiz at baz's partie in 6th form

>>34157565
Old T may is my MP, lets see how this goes

>>34158312
>One guy with a concealed carry would do about as much good as a guy in the UK pulling a knife
if you can get within 50 meters a pistol will still kill, and if it doesn't kill it will force the terrorists back (or make them detonate their vests).

>>34158312

agreed.

however, the amount of carry permits that exist as of this now have almost double from the amount a few years ago.

shit i carry my gun in church.

the reason you see things like the Pulse night club shoot on is because of Gun free zones.

you don't see these goat fuckers trying this shit at a walmart in alabama or some other place.

muslimes are cowards who attack the weakest.

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>>34156363
>How many UK citizens must die before they learn?
All of them, of course.
RIP UK

In two decades we'll be asked to go and fight the British Caliphate.

>>34158376
If a chav has the brains and willpower to be responsible for 15 years, the fucker should be recruited into MI6. Anyway, Gaz sounds like a cunt who deserves it.

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>>34158393
>he honestly thinks he can take on a guy with a rifle and likely body armor as well who's 50 meters away with his carry pistol

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>>34157565
Multiculturalism and freedom are not compatible. You cannot have Islam in a democratic state and expect freedom of expression and freedom to own guns. It's one or the other.

You retards will never learn. They'll run all of you over before you wake up. And then it will be too late.

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The fact that every mosques in England isn't on fire is a shame.

>>34158424
>be sitting at home 2 floors above the street
>see terrorists roll by and shoot
>open window slightly, stand back, put 4-5 rounds out, hide

>be walking down street
>see terrorists
>shoot and run

>be in cafe
>get into ambush position
>shoot head and upper torso from side when they come in

body armor protects the vitals, a hit anywhere else will still stop, it's just a matter of how long it takes.

Hey guys do any burgers here have some pro-handgun statistics I can use? Something like number of crimes stopped by armed citizen, Number of armed criminals stopped by citizen ect. I'm rewriting >>34157565 but with extra panache, facts and figures.

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>>34156363
>How many UK citizens must die before they learn?

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>>34156363
TFW the basis of firearms control in the uk is because of terrorists.

If concealed carry was allowed in the UK then last nights incident would have been done with pistols instead.

This way at least civilians can run from knives attackers, which you can't do if bullets travel faster than you run.

Surprisingly there is open carry for pistols allowed in northern Ireland, and concealed carry for "strategically important persons", to defend themselves.

Its funny because in more rural areas you'll find people with rifles and shotgun slinged as they walk through villages.

>>34158212

The Reconquista was the spainish retaking their land from muslim invaders, and Constantinople was under the control of the eastern orthodox byzantine empire at the time they sacked it.

>>34158424
tactics. you ought to look it up after you get done playing call of duty

>>34158464
Just lurk around the FBI's crime stats pages. Lots of good info there.

>>34158572
The Pope called for massive aid including the Templar Order to aid the Spanish

>Constantinople was under the control of the eastern orthodox byzantine empire at the time they sacked it.

Its literally called the 4th Crusade

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>>34158312
U.K. is lost, America is the last stand against the caliphate

>>34158481
Sorry eurocuck, but it may not have been. Moham would've gotten 9 mm to the face. You're seriously using this talking point after how many children were blown up last week? Maybe next weeks attack will change your mind.

>>34158481
>long live saddam
>isn't carrying a Hi-Power
pleb

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>>34158580
>m-muh tactics
Doesn't change that you're up against someone who's significantly better equipped and is outside of the distance that handguns are reasonably effective at while being surrounded by people who you don't want to shoot but your attacker will have no problem shooting.

>>34158935
But what if moham had a 9mm too?

You can give out pistols and shit, and sure people will use them for good, but people will also use them for bad.

You can physically intervene all the times you want, but it takes time to intervene, if someone walked into a pub or onto the subway in london with a pistol, it would be so crowded they could empty the mag before anyone could respond.

Pistols won't solve a thing, if you gave me the serious choice of: being CC/OC'ing with the probability of being attacked by another gun wielder or not carrying and being attacked by a knife wielder. I'd take the second option. Anyone can take on someone with a knife.

>>34156363
Because the police shot all the attackers dead within 8 minutes of the attack

>>34159112
This is why you fags are cucks deserve everything that happens to you

>>34156363
UK
>two legitimate terror attacks in 4 years
>27 people killed
>90% white

US
>mass shootings every other week
>l i t e r a l third world tier cities where violence is rampant, to the point where the media never pays any attention anymore
>literally rife with terrorist activities
>niggers riot every month because some dindu got shot for breaking the law
>SJW's hate the nation and president
>60% white
>more muslims than UK

How many US citizens must die before they learn to take their country back? Voting for one autistic cheeto won't do anything.

>>34158163
You're a fucking retard

>>34159137
What will a pistol do? Don't get me wrong I like firearms as much as the next K/omando, but...

i'm not being funny but what has pistol carrying ever done to stop shooting sprees?

Personally i'm all for interning the perps families and enacting Damnatio memoriae on the perps.

>>34159140
Try to guess in which one of these you have the right to self-defense.

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>>34159211
Just admit you're afraid of freedom

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>>34159137
>Anyone can take on someone with a knife.
that's wrong, amazingly wrong actually.
bullets generally cause localized, but high energy wounds. with some clotting agent, some bandages and a quick evacuation, you can save someone from basically any gun wound unless they've been hit in the vitals.

with knives? if you're dealing with cuts your best bet is to apply lots of pressure and get the person to a surgeon, and if you're dealing with stab wounds, apply pressure and start praying.

it's better in most cases for someone to be shot than to be stabbed.

besides, you would be better off getting into a gun fight than a knife fight because of the ranges involved. a knife fight requires close contact, a gun fight requires line of sight.

>>34159239
>>34159270
Thanks for these I'm gonna send them to my MP in the name of freedom and funz.

>>34159237
Tell me the last terrorist attack stopped by someone with a gun pls

>>34159312
the one that happened yesterday

>>34156363
Uk doesnt care about its citizenary's safety. An unarmed society is a complacent society

>>34159314
I mean by a civilian CC\OCing

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>>34158405
They tried it in garland Texas. Didn't work out too well. Howdy y'all

>>34159239
not really, i work overseas and carry now.

I'm not saying it doesn't work, all i'm saying is that tin the UK there would not be a significant amount of carriers in the UK to make the difference, and would mostly be used by nasty sorts to the point where we would be worse off.

>>34159284
I've been in gunfights and i've had knives pulled on me, i'd rather have a knife pulled on me, as a knife is easier to disarm, and you can always run.

>>34159314
By a gun carried by a citizen, Texas art critique doesn't count because that shit was bait

>>34159329
Doesn't count it was bait.

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You guys are treating the symptoms of a disease that shouldn't even exist. There is no such thing as moderate Islam.

>>34159346
Na shias are alright, sunnis are retards.

>>34159326
>I mean by a civilian CC\OCing
>>34159331
>By a gun carried by a citizen, Texas art critique doesn't count because that shit was bait

it doesn't matter. a gun is a gun. a gun wielded by a good guy is a gun wielded by a good guy. the bullet does not care who fires it. even if i give you a list of 100 different terrorist attacks stopped by civilian CCers, you'll just move the goal posts.

>>34159331
>as a knife is easier to disarm
you aren't jacky chan, and don't expect to get away without knife wounds if you try that.

>and you can always run.
"21 foot rule".

>>34159365
Exactly

Who has the X-ray of the dude who tried to kick a knife out of someone's hand?

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>>34159365
>>>and you can always run.
>"21 foot rule".
That's not what the 21 foot rule is you fucktard.

>>34159331
>mostly be used by nasty sorts to the point where we would be worse off.
Jesus christ!

So?

The inherent fear of more liberty instilled in Europeans due to generations of Big Government control is absolutely insane.

Let a man defend his life and his loved ones over your irrational fear of weapons in the hands of Law abiding citizens.

>>34159384
it still applies. if a man can stab you before you can unholster a firearm as long as he's within 21 feet, he's going to be able to stab you if you try to run in a knife fight.

>>34159331
>to make a difference
These are people not just numbers
But go ahead and continue forcing the victim complex on them anyways
>mostly be used by nasty sorts
So you admit gun control doesn't work?

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>>34156363
All of them desu
The issue of guns doesn't even come up, firearms are not mentioned at all in any of the party manifestos and I have yet to hear anyone other than myself talking about it. No one knows anything about guns and most just think of them as bad murder machines.

>>34159365

> it doesn't matter. a gun is a gun. a gun wielded by a good guy is a gun wielded by a good guy. the bullet does not care who fires it. even if i give you a list of 100 different terrorist attacks stopped by civilian CCers, you'll just move the goal posts.
Not really, my point is terrorists always shoot first, and there will be deaths regardless.
Yes you can stop their spree.

But if you can reduce the killed from 10 down to 5 by preventing terrorists getting weapons then go for it

> you aren't jacky chan, and don't expect to get away without knife wounds if you try that.

If you can't stop someone stabbing or slashing you then you can't stop someone drawing first and getting shot first.

>>34159388
> Fear liberty,
Jesus H Christ i wan't pistols as much as the next guys, when you are opening up the market for terrorists to obtain the same weapons to use.

>>34159404
No gun control doesn't work, at least not completely, as most of the firearms crime in the UK is done with illegally obtained weapons.

But it does restrict how terrorists obtain them, even the cuntiest of cunts illegal firearm dealers won't sell to shady mussies, because they're just not that stupid.

>>34157565
This post is wrong, it was 1937 that it was deemed that firearms are were "not suitable for self defense" and as such could not get a license for it. You may also wish to include something from our bill of rights that states:
"Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions"

>>34159490
>No gun control doesn't work, at least not completely, as most of the firearms crime in the UK is done with illegally obtained weapons.
>But it does restrict how terrorists obtain them, even the cuntiest of cunts illegal firearm dealers won't sell to shady mussies, because they're just not that stupid.

So illegal firearms dealers won't sell to shaddy muslims and regular people will? Cool.

>>34159490
You under the premise that terrorist acquire guns legally

>>34159490
>But if you can reduce the killed from 10 down to 5 by preventing terrorists getting weapons then go for it
are you fucking retarded? have you seen the truck attacks? if you restrict them from getting guns, they just use trucks and bombs. you fucking moron.

>If you can't stop someone stabbing or slashing you then you can't stop someone drawing first and getting shot first.
shot AT, there's a difference. if someone is close enough to swing a knife at you, you're probably going to get hit, and if the person fighting you knows what he's doing he's going to stab, so say goodbye to your lungs. if someone shoots at you, there's no guarantee that you're going to get hit, and if you do get hit there's no guarantee that you're going to go down. people have survived being hit by .50 BMG before.

>>34158439
This right here. This is amy attack on your land, against your people. Make the invaders and government cucks feel unwelcome at the least.

Lots of odd stuff said in this thread. First of all, even if pistols and non centerfire self loaders were unbanned, it would still be much easier to get them illegally as we have such a tight system of regulation.
The Ban on pistols is easier to get around if you are law abiding and have a license (I.e a spree shooter) as you can still buy gimped pistols that can be returned to their regular state with nothing more than a hacksaw and some elbow grease.

>>34159531
>people have survived being hit by .50 BMG before.
Citation needed.

>>34159564

Oh but its impossible to ever survive a 50 BMG right? I mean people never survive getting hit by cars or falling from buildings. It just causes far too much damage for any chance to live.

>>34159564
Inb4
>Ahhhhhhhh look at this one case where it glanced a jap in Iwo Jima and he survived paralyzed from the legs down for 2 years. Please ignore the fact that it kills pretty much everyone it hits.

>>34159564
i know of at least one case, a taliban guy got shot and his arm got taken off, but he lived.

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>>34159564
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/01/afghan-soldier-took-14-5mm-bullet-to-head-and-survived/

>>34159563
>gun control doesn't work
>but let's keep it anyways

Why do you deny your fellow countrymen the right to defend themselves?

>>34159609
CITATION NEEDED. If you don't post a reputable source then you're taking out your ass.
>>34159601
CITATION NEEDED. If you don't post a reputable source then you're taking out your ass.

>>34159631
I dont. Just stating the facts.

>>34159631
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/01/afghan-soldier-took-14-5mm-bullet-to-head-and-survived/

Having brain damage and most likely being dumber than before doesn't count as living.

>>34159638
>i need a PhD, a peer reviewed paper and 60 different colleagues from all walks of life to point out that people have survived being shot with .50 BMG before

will that be Nature or Science, Mr Einstein?

>>34159518
>>34159523
Thats the problem they could be reasonable legal owners before going jihad, They could be stolen from legal aquired (when i lived in the UK i there was a spate of funsafe robberies), I even know someone who has a criminal record, who managed to get firearms permits.

>>34159531
Yes but truck attacks won't prompt a ban on what little firearms you can get.

You obviously have never been to london, a gun inside a bar like last night would have been a slaughter.

I guarantee if you get hit once you will not be able too return immediate fire, regardless whether its that whole 9mm shit or not, because it fucking hurts being shot, and all it takes is an extra second of hesitation to be shot again.

>>34159653
>the facts
No you are stating your opinion and nothing more

>>34159665
>a gun inside a bar like last night would have been a slaughter.
surprisingly, no. for a proper slaughter like the one at pulse, you need a good amount of time and a barricaded building. if people have the opportunity to run (or even overwhelm you) you won't kill nearly as many people as you'd think.

>because it fucking hurts being shot
adrenaline. people have continued fighting after having half of their chests blown open.

>>34159665
>guns are illegal
>homicidal maniacs don't worry about obeying laws
>not-homicidal maniacs do
>?????????
>prophet

>>34159669
k. All I said was that if we get rid of the specific weapon bans it would still be easier to get that specific type of weapon illegally and that the handgun ban is easily circumvented with a hacksaw if you already have the license. I dont see how stating these facts are anti-gun.

>>34159112
You convinced me, I'm going to applaud the self-imposed death of your society. I'll use the grave of your civilization as a warning to others of what happens when you turn your swords to plowshares.

>>34159657
>nuh huh that doesn't count
Goal posts status: moved

>34159112
>14 people armed with handguns would not beat 1 man with a hand gun
My neurons... really... firing...

>>34159690
I've actually been shot, twice. Let me tell you something, it bloody hurts, easily a 7/10, its like being kicked in the balls with steel toecap boots with needles.

>>34159695
> implying its easy enough to purchase illegal firearms to the point where you use cars and knives.

>>34159706
So what you're saying is that carrying pistols means that you can protect yourself against bombs and trucks.

>>34159782
A gun can absolutely defend you from a guy trying to run over people and stab them. You're being purposefully obtuse. UK is such a fucking joke. You guys are such a fucking cucked country. I guess the Germans killed the best of you.

>guarantee if you get hit once you will not be able too return immediate fire, regardless whether its that whole 9mm shit or no

>William Matix: Smith & Wesson Model 3000 12-gauge. Killed after being shot six times.

>Michael Platt: Ruger Mini-14 .223 Remington with folding stock, at least 42 rounds fired, S&W M586 .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired. Killed after being shot 12 times.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

They won the firefight

>>34159835
Meant for
>>34159665

I don't know why you're so insistent on being a victim

>>34159815
A 9mm can't stop a 2.5ton van speeding at 50mp/h you fucking autist

A knifeman? Absolutely, no doubt about it. Then again, why didn't anyone shoot the fella shooting up the faggot club?

>>34159853
Because it was a no gun zone

>>34159665
I lived in the U.K. a year. A gun would absolutely be useful to put down the numerous chavs who mug people with screwdrivers. That being said British people are pussies who love to get overly drunk and sucker punch people. In Newcastle the bars are littlered with sucker punch victims. I never met a Brit who could handle himself in a fight. I fucking ragdolled them all. I trained MMA there for a year and their BJJ was easily a decade behind ours.

Ironically, a trucker was shot to death just outside my apartment one day while I lived there.

>>34159876
What happened to your constitutional right of being able to carry for self defence?

>>34159887
Nice strawman dude

>>34159853
Are you retarded? If you kill the driver he isn't going to be running over people anymore. You're not shooting out the engine block you dumb rotten toothed faggot.

>>34159898
Yes, because you have cat like reflexes and can instantly pinpoint if someone is just driving recklessly at max speed or has intentions to run you, your daughter and your dog over.

Holy fuck you're an autistic retard.

>>34159815
>A gun can absolutely defend you from a guy trying to run over people and stab them. You're being purposefully obtuse. UK is such a fucking joke. You guys are such a fucking cucked country. I guess the Germans killed the best of you.
Have you ever been to a city like london? If i got a penny for every person that tried to run me over i would be retired already.

Not really my problem as now i'm south african by marriage.

She lives near Musina, the crime there is so bad i can't describe it. http://www.observer.co.za/musina-most-dangerous-place-to-live-in/

>>34159845
>I don't know why you're so insistent on being a victim
TFW i now regularly carry and no one reads the previous posts.

>>34159880
> newcastle
i lived essex the kind of place where you sort shit out man to man by using bottles and bricks. had knives pulled on me and everything, mate evern got stabbed over ping pong.

>>34159887
>constitutional rights
Guarantee rights that the government cannot infringe upon without being considered illegitimate and corrupt. A private business has every right to deny people who carry firearms onto their property or tell niggers and fags they can't shop or party there, and everyone out there has the choice to deny those people their business and money if they disagree with those policies.

>>34159894
>le strawman xDDD

I thought you had the right to self defence. Why does your nation have "Gun free" zones now? Is the nation that cuckolded, that they willfully accept to shit on their rights in some areas of the country?

>>34159930
I've lived in NYC. A gun would be tremendously useful to carry. Holy shit the cuckdom is programmed hard into you.

>>34159938
>you can't point out my fallacy!

>I'm now going to move goal posts to America because I can't defend my argument!

>>34159956
He lives in fucking musina south africa.
Nigga i think he lives in a worse place than anyone on this board ever could.

>>34159928
My clue would be they purposefully ran over scores of people before coming for me

>>34159967
You've never been to Jamaica queens

>>34156363

In the US capital and in its 3 largest cities, you cannot carry, either, more or less.

The UK could literally turn 180 degrees and permit CCW and it would still be banned in L O N D O N

>>34159980
Didn't Guiliani have all of the poor people secretly killed?

>>34159898
What could happen if you shoot the driver of one of these maniac-mobiles
>he slumps to the side, pulling the wheel with him. truck turns into solid obstacle and safely comes to a stop
>he slumps forward, pushing in the accelerator, ends up running over a bunch of people anyway. Might be less than what terry the terrorist was planning, but casualties nonetheless.
>slumps to the side, flips the truck, pigeons fly away in slow-mo, possible casualties
>getting shot somehow makes him remove foot from accelerator, truck safely coasts to a stop
>terrorist continues with his slaughter because 'lol only 9mm'. Many casualties.
There's a lot of ways this could go down. Assuming you can land a solid kill shot it seems probable that armed citizens can minimize the death and destruction caused by these cowardly shits.

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>>34159986
That's wrong, retard

>>34159980
Musina is called little Mogadishu for a reason...

>>34159930
Did you leave because of the gun laws?
What do you carry?

>>34158481
Yeah, you are implying that if pistols were legal and carry was legal, that Muslims would be able to get them.

>>34160003
But there's no CCW for normal folk in NYC, Chicago, LA, or DC.

>>34159112
No one is talking about giving away guns. Its funny that you socialist pussies assume that if something is legal it will be given away for free.

>>34160001
In all of these scenarios shooting the driver is still the better option than not shooting the driver.

>>34160001
>pushing in the accelerator, ends up running over a bunch of people anyway
this isn't a fucking movie, unless he's standing on the accelerator this won't happen

>>34160050
Short of the terrorist being extremely inept, killing him will not make him do his job better

>>34160006

No Did my 12 years service, 4 combat deployments, couple peacekeeping tours, Met my wife somewhere in that mess, but she works in the mining industry so she couldn't live with me, so i moved out there.

Carry this>>34158481
Not shown, AK74 & plates in boot of car.

>>34160027
> I can't hear you over the sound of my free healthcare which allows me to buy more paraphernalia.

>>34160104
>he thinks literal African healthcare actually means something

>>34160117
na i fly back to blighty for whatever healthcare i need to have looked at competently Or i can get it done on the private and go to a vet and be reimbursed.

>>34156363
>post about politics, a current event, and gun control where everyone is calling each other cucks
You faggots really can't help yourselves, can you?

Also, strong argument from the OP. I'm sure if there were more guns readily available for the citizens and the terrorists, the situation would have been way less deadly and chaotic.

>>34160104
>my free healthcare
What do you think national insurance (theoretically) is for?

>go to a vet
That's an interesting health care system you have there, unless there's something you're not telling us about your species.

>>34160104
Its not free, you pay ridiculously high taxes so fat white brood mothers can destroy your society.

>>34159140

"Legititmate terror attacks"

Are you fucking stupid. This is why you dont have a gun. Youre a white liberal. I hope allah takes your children as sex slaves

>>34160155
>Also, strong argument from the OP. I'm sure if there were more guns readily available for the citizens and the terrorists, the situation would have been way less deadly and chaotic.
Are you being sarcastic? Because if you are, it's freely available that concealed carry does in fact stop attempted terrorist acts dead. eg https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/29/concealed-carrier-just-stopped-mass-shooting-night-club-media-remained-silent/

>>34157993
>I want you to do this for me
>I'm voting for you anyway, whether you do it or not

It's no fucking wonder gun control hasn't been repealed if idiots like you are the ones pushing for it. I'm fucking glad mongoloids like you aren't running around this country with guns.

>>34160179
Niegh, need my ketamine.

>>34160193
My tax if fucking low because of my Tax code, military rebates and Pension allowances.

I worked out a couple months ago i'd be 4K worse off annually if i moved to the US because of Health insurance and no rebates.

So no, it is.

>>34160296
Oh great, a fucking welfare queen, and an OAP who's sucking the state's teat for all it's worth while pushing all the burden of his pension on the young. Do me a favour and kys.

>>34159112
You will get no intelligent replies to this post because it's absolutely fucking bang on the money, and Americans know it.

>>34160104
So what do you do for work?

Why do you feel that way about pistols if you carry one daily. you confuse me.

>>34160151
>Getting reimbursed for private healthcare.
Uh, that's not how the NHS works.

>>34156363
better question is why the fuck can't you carry knives?

it's not like they have great success keeping people from making knives and stabbing each other with them

allow the people the same weapons

>>34160330
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorist+attack+stopped+by+concealed+carry

>>34158107
>crusade battles should count when it is Christians retaking conquered territory

kek

>>34160330
There are no intelligent replies because it's bait. I mean
>Anyone can take on someone with a knife.
Are you fucking kidding me?

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>>34158432
same as what happened in Australia, they have to swell the police force to get crime back down after a gun ban--so why not just hire more police in the first place.

>>34160330
Anti guns pls go

>>34160338
I'm a specialist consultant

>>34160317
See above, i work for a living, to be on welfare i'd actually have to live in the UK. I'm nowhere near that old.

>>34158376
so gaz should die to a stab wound today, rather than a bullet 15 years later.

>>34160374
then the muslim conquest map shouldnt count battles with non christians. fuck Zoro Astrians

>>34160370
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=terrorist+attack+stopped+by+concealed+carry
Good luck stopping a 4 tonner doing 40 or a man wearing a suicide belt with a pistol
Or having time to draw your pistol in a crowded pub, without hitting the 40 odd people in your way.

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>>34158424
>exactly what happened here cannot happen
bye felicia

>>34160433
>Good luck stopping a 4 tonner doing 40 or a man wearing a suicide belt with a pistol
Not sure how banning guns helps with this tbqh
>Or having time to draw your pistol in a crowded pub, without hitting the 40 odd people in your way.
Literally the first link.

>>34159490
>you can reduce the killed
So that's why the most deadly terrorist attacks didn't involve guns? You stupid faggot?

>>34160433
Fucking noguns commie. Do you honestly not realise that every single American on /k/ with a CC permit has the handgun proficiency level of John Wick? That 4 tonne truck is no match for their modified-vehicular-mozambique drill.

>>34160408
Show me your P60. What's your overall tax contribution?
>Muh low tax
Hahaha

>>34159928
>mfw that Paris van riddled with fucking bullet holes

>mfw they killed him too

>>34160455
you mean, a person with a gun could easily stop the terrorists with a butter knife from hijacking the planes ?

>>34160433
Why do you want to remain a victim so much?

>>34160478
Why say this unless you actually think banning guns would stop a truck?

>>34158114
Orc posting gets me every single time.

>>34158147
Every Single Time

>>34160454
Not sure how legalising pistols helps this. Just makes pistols easier to get.

Something about Uber. I used to go to pubs so packed that you couldn't get your phone out your pocket, and you'd struggle to look at your watch.

>>34160455
9/11 wouldn't have happened if the terrorists didn't get guns on board.

>>34160478
TFW literally posted EDC >>34158481

>>34160484
> Posting my ID online.
You take a wild assumption that i'm PAYE, which i'm obviously not if i live in SA.

>>34160501
how do you stop a 4T truck then?

>>34160528
>You take a wild assumption that i'm PAYE, which i'm obviously not if i live in SA.
Got it, welfare queen, say no more.

>>34158481
>>34160528
>>34160408
SO you carry, you keep a long gun and Armour in your car, have iraqi money and you're self employed.

You're not one of "those" "specialist" consultants are you?

>>34159112
>Anyone can take on someone with a knife.
There are no winners in knife fights. One dies then and there. The other on the way to hospital.

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>SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE INTERNET MUST BE REGULATED. IT IS FAR TOO DANGEROUS TO JUST LET ANYONE WIELD IT'S POWER.
You bongs are fucked.

>>34160546
Claim welfare in a different country whilst working.
Obviously well off if he can afford a range rover & sig.

>>34160528
>I used to go to pubs so packed that you couldn't get your phone out your pocket, and you'd struggle to look at your watch.
Sounds God awful.

>>34160501
he doesnt want to remain a victim, he wants YOU to remain a victim

>>34160555
trips of truth. 4chan will be more enjoyable when mummy may may bans all of them from 4chan though.

>>34160528
>how do you stop 4T truck
I probably wouldn't be able to
A ccw won't protect for every possible scenario
But that's not this is about, I won't deny fellow lay abiding citizens to effectively defend themselves

ITT: Free men try to open the eyes of serfs, who are completely unaware and content with how much of a serf they really are.

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>>34156372

>>34160593
> I didn't actually read the thread: the poster.
> Anon clearly left his country and routinely carries open? concealed ?

>>34160610
Don't forget
>anon carries
>but he doesn't trust the common plebeian to carry
>his gun might get stolen

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>>34158481
>"If we legalize guns, Muslims would use guns in their attacks!"
Knives are illegal, yet they used knives. Kinda faulty logic there, retard.

>>34158312
Which is why I keep an ar-15 and a double combat load worth of mags in my trunk in the wheel well

What gets me about the dumb Anglo in this thread arguing against the historical right of the Englishman to bear arms, despite the fact that the right to bear arms was one of the key distinctions between your average English yeoman who had real liberty and legal protections compared to his continental counterparts, is that he has failed to address the situation with the police.

The terror attacks yesterday saw police officers running away from terrorists armed only with knives, because only a handful of specialist units within the police are even authorized to carry firearms. Furthermore, what was the reaction of the English public upon hearing about this story? They criticized the armed responders for shooting the three terrorists who were thought to be wearing suicide belts an "excessive" number of times! You just can't make this shit up.

To answer your Q:
>>34160338
>Why do you feel that way about pistols if you carry one daily. you confuse me.
>>34160620
Because you don't need to carry in the UK, its safer than it is. If people carried pistols then there would be thousands of deaths because its not in our culture to act sensibly when you're out on the drink so you get into a lot of scrapes.

At my rate i'd be drawing once a week from scrapes at pubs.

Someone pulls a knife on you and you shoot them, yeah great, but they know where you live so they come back at night and set fire to your place, or they go out and buy a gun and kill you.

In the event of a terrorist attack it would be like carrying a buoyancy aid every single day a year for the inevitable flash floods. it would be one in a million as they only attack tourist areas where there are few locals or where there are kids.

That and you'd make pistols easier to obtain both legally and illegally, and sooner or later there will be a shooting. There won't be enough goof carriers in order to physically stop it, and before you know it 20 people are dead. instead of 6 being stabbed.

The likeliness of a gun theft would be low

>>34160651
Knives aren't illegal, you can get arrested and detained for suspicious behavior (insert any object being held suspiciously including fish and potatoes), or be arrested for carrying a 13.5 inch machete/ claw hammer/screwdriver down your trousers with intent to harm.

You can quite reasonably pass off a knife if you're a butcher, builder, or on your way to a fish, because you can state I am using it for this

You're the retard for thinking that they'd make an every day tool illegal.

>>34160780
Not knowing how to make sure people safety evacuate by chasing after them to instill fear.
I don't know anyone who criticized their deaths, good riddance

>>34160812
Wow, England sounds like it's populated by niggers. Then again, it sort of is. I'm glad you can at least admit that your nation has inferior mental fortitude and impulse control compared to Americans. You guys should host Americans to fly over and fuck your wives so you can raise the mean IQ.

>>34160929
>>34160929
Clearly talking about when out on the drink retard.
You ever seen a brit drink? They're like chevys. they guzzle that shit, then they beat the shit out of eachother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaRHnfdj3k

i love watching their cop shows, but these video seems to be a regular occurance

>>34160997
literally nigger behavior desu

>>34161001
clearly drunk at least they have less niggers that we do here
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c4a_1435067874&comments=1

>>34159132
that didn't save the people in the restaurants getting cut to shit

>>34160780
Not the other brit but: the police backed down at first because they believed the attackers to have explosives, and current belief is that muslim extremists are looking to score police kills. having police in close would escalate the risk of the attackers detonating, and there were civilians in the area.
British police can fucking deal with knife-carrying criminals. Baton proficiency is high more or less anywhere where violence is known.
The big question for me is: armed populace or not, terrorists will always case for areas where their attacks will do the most damage. They have the initiative in every case, and while it would be nice to imagine citizens "seeing it coming" it doesn't seem to be borne out by the events. If the terrorists are always as well armed as citizens (by necessity), and always have initiative, how do we win?
In b4 genocide, etc. Serious answers only.

>>34161062
Stopped most of them dying, and helped avoid a shit-ton more injuries though. I think realistically we're close to the minimum losses for a determined attack by this many men.

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>>34159665

>hit once, wont be able to fire back

Its like you dont understand real life?
https://youtu.be/tDmi8sMeC5I

Many, many videos of people being struck and returning fire during or instantly after, AND remaining aware. Of course if you're stuck in the heart/head/artery you'll go into shock quickly and probably die within a minute or two.

Getting hit with 9mm-40 is like being hit with a baseball bat with a nail, it aches then burns. Not fun, but one shot =/= ded

>>34161218
>The big question for me is: armed populace or not, terrorists will always case for areas where their attacks will do the most damage. They have the initiative in every case, and while it would be nice to imagine citizens "seeing it coming" it doesn't seem to be borne out by the events. If the terrorists are always as well armed as citizens (by necessity), and always have initiative, how do we win?

This is a complex problem that requires a complex solution. The elements of this solution include:

1.) Aggressive policing + use of the powers of the surveillance state for good ends. In the United States, EVERY major extremist group is completely compromised by moles and informants. There have actually been cases where federal law enforcement agencies have conducted stings on white supremacist terror cells, only to find that every single other member beside their informant was an undercover state or local law enforcement agent. If your equivalent agencies take advantage of the growing muslim minority in your country to recruit nonradicalized English nationals of muslim descent to help infiltrate and destroy the terrorist organizations that have taken root in your country, it would both deal with the terrorists and ameliorate social tensions by showing that there are English muslims who are willing to pay the iron price for the country.

If you harbor doubts as to whether this strategy will work, I would point to history as an example. In the United States, this strategy is what broke the back of the Mafia, the Ku Klux Klan, and the myriad black communist/anarchist movements of the 60s and 70s. In England, it was used with considerable success to keep the Catholics under control during the reign of the first Elizabeth. It would absolutely work for England today if your leadership had the political will to go forward with it.

>continued in next post

>>34161389
>If you harbor doubts as to whether this strategy will work
No, sounds reasonable. Undercover police work in this country is wracked by scandal, recently there was a big flap about police spending all their time infiltrating lefty eco groups (why?) and sleeping with women under false pretences, fathering children and disappearing, etc. Also the state using actual dead kid's birth certificates as police cover IDs to do this.
Still, maybe the public can be brought on side.

>>34161389
2.) The institution of collective responsibility. Under United States law, we have a concept called "felony murder." In a situation where a group of criminals is committing a felony or series of felonies and one or more of them is killed by the police, any surviving members are actually charged with the murder of their compatriots. If your country does not have a similar law in place, it would be well served in instituting one that establishes liability and justifies draconian penalties for anyone who is related to or personally connected to a potential terrorist and does not inform the authorities in a timely fashion.

3.) Bills of attainder against groups and individuals that are responsible for the ideologies that encourage disaffected people to become terrorists. This would probably be extremely effective given how much prime real estate in London is owned by people from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, etc (note that this in itself is a major symptom of the problem).

4.) Limited use of preemptive killings. Your country literally invented wet works during World War II, and the SAS is among the best in the world at what they do. This will be effective if kept secret, but will backfire tremendously if used too liberally or made publicly known.

There are probably some other realistic measures that could be implemented, but these are what immediately came to mind. Other anons feel free to add or critique.

>>34161600
>draconian penalties for anyone who is related to or personally connected to a potential terrorist and does not inform the authorities in a timely fashion.
Holy shit. That might actually work for getting to radical imams.
>Bills of attainder against groups and individuals that are responsible for the ideologies that encourage disaffected people to become terrorists.
You mean our best friends the House of Saud? Where would we sell all our missiles? QQ
>Limited use of preemptive killings
Backfire isn't even the word. We're doing it overseas I'm sure, I think doing it here would be a pretty fucking precarious thing. Would do more damage to the public trust (and to any policing by consent) than terrorism. Then we'd have to arm our whole police force, huge escalation. I mean, things aren't perfect now but the UK is pretty much one of the safest places in the world to live when it comes to crime. Why spoil it with assassinations?

>>34161497
If this happened in my country, I would buy my representative a bottle of champagne immediately, because that's fucking brilliant.

Single mothers don't have time to cause trouble.

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>>34159112
You're right. We should all embrace each other and make the world more peaceful by copius amounts of gay anal sex with men of all races. Only then will this mysterious anomaly of mass murder only done by men who have the name mohammed and skin the color of shit go away. Ban guns, drink the cum.

look at UK murder rate.

it skyrockted with the Troubles. dipped a tiny bit after gun control(which happened at the end of The Troubles), and has remained at the elevated levels.

>>34156363
Restaurants have no knifes?

>>34161972
nope.

all food cutting is done ahead of time. at government run prep kitchens. the only utensil the british are allowed to have, are soft rubber spoons.

though i hear you can get a permit for a safety coated spork.

>>34160355
There was some CCTV video footage that made the news a few months back. Two chavs with knives walked up to some random people and stabbed them for fun. The outrage resulted knife bans.

>>34157815
What, and carry it around a market in London?

If you own a gym in the UK (a pretty expensive and time consuming process) it's still very unlikely you could ever legally use it in self defence.

>>34156363
Why not removal of kebab and cc?

>>34159782
>I've actually been shot, twice.
Prove it or you're a troll

>>34162085
Of course not, British people aren't citizens, they're subjects. They do as they're told.

>>34162474
He washed the cum off already

>>34158429
>freedom to own guns. It's one or the other.

Doesn't like, everyone in the middle east have a gun? When you go join the PKK, apparently you can just go to the markets and pick up a AK for a few bucks.

>>34160388
Gun crime has been on a downward trend in Australia since the 80s. It continued on the same downward trend after the "gun buyback".

The problem with the Howard gun laws is that they went way too far. Australia was like the US pretty much, no real gun laws or checks or anything, so any psycho could go out and buy a rifle and gun down random backpackers or whatever.

There is really no evidence the gun laws had a massive effect on gun crime in Australia. Less mass shootings, but again, there was already a downward trend in crime.

They could have implemented background checks, mental health checks etc etc and it probably would have had the same effect as the full ban.

The other problem is Australian gun laws are based entirely around emotion and nothing else. Shit like Lever shotguns being in more restricted category than semi-auto shotguns and airsoft being more illegal than real guns and all sorts of nonsense.

I really wish we could turn a dial on history and see how this would have played out 60 years ago when it was ok to drop Nukes and put people in concentration camps.

>>34161653
>UK is pretty much one of the safest places in the world to live when it comes to crime

when will this meme finally die?

>>34158415
That picture...

>>34160015
Well for LA, a CA resident that has a CCW from another CA county is legally able to carry all over CA. But I agree with you overall that normies in LA county cannot get a CCW license unless it was necessary i.e. stalker or threat of your life.

>>34163770
60 years ago you had the hippies cheering over dead whites, it wasn't that much different

These sorts of problems are not solvable while the left is in charge. Which it very much is in Britain still, and Trump is facing a lot of obstructionism.

>>34161389
>of the growing muslim minority

Or perhaps we could not embrace this suicidal insanity and just stop importing muslims, plus deport the non-whites already here..

Britain exists for the british after all, not the pakis or libyans or jamaicans.

>>34159112
>if someone walked into a pub or onto the subway in london with a pistol, it would be so crowded they could empty the mag before anyone could respond

Humans are biased and enjoy committing acts similar to that of genocide. A shooter isn't going to empty a mag immediately unless its on a single target. And with a particular group of people doing such terrorists attacks, it would be easy to identify the threat from the rest.

Also, terrorists can be dumb and fuck up. Pull out gun, yell retard sandnigger shit, forget to take off safety.

9mm aren't all that lethal either. Shot placement is important too.

>>34157565
Great work. Get emailing, people!

>>34159326
Moving the goalposts

>>34159140
>>two legitimate terror attacks in 4 years
*two a week

>>34157211
What difference does it make?

>>34157211
Spoken like a true braiwashed britcuck. There's a litany of cases in America where attacks have been stopped by concealed carry holders, but lets ignore those. Lets ignore the notable absence of legally owned firearms being used for terroristic purposes in the Czech Republic or really anywhere else in the world for that matter.

The Bataclan attackers in France used illegally imported AKs. The Martin Place shooter in Sydney used an illegally owned shotgun. There are hundreds more instances like this. Why would a gun law deter a terrorist fuckknuckle?

You just keep on with your "banning things will fix the problem", while your people get slaughtered in the streets. The only person that can take true responsibility for your safety is yourself. But people like you literally believe that the average citizen can't be trusted to take care of the most important and valuable thing he has, his own life.

8 from this incident. 11,000 Us deaths (inc suicide or w/e but still hugely disproportional). So overall, we're much safer, as accidents and idiots are more prevalent and dangerous than random terrorists.

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>>34165246

>>34160263
Christ, calm down. That is a good suggestion to change the opening statement (that I didn't even write) but there's no need to be a stroppy cunt about it. At least I'm actually getting involved in politics and trying to change things rather than sitting around and having an autistic meltdown at people on the internet. Consider growing up and not having a fit whenever something you don't like comes up.

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>>34158424
>Seconds later, a black sedan pulled up. Two men with assault rifles jumped out and began shooting. Joiner was struck in the left calf as he ran behind a tree. His wounds marked him as the first ISIS victim on U.S. soil. Stevens returned fire with his service pistol, striking the shooters, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, who both died on the scene.
>noobs pwned

>>34158481
This. Learn history m8s.

>>34159365
>"21 foot rule".
Specifically demands target to stand still.

>>34157795

>I completely would. I'd agree with the systems we have with other guns - member of a club, safe storage requirement, massive background and mental health checks.

That's why your country is noguns. Give them an inch and sooner or later they'll take the mile.

>but the US already has some gun control!

I know. Theyll turn us into the UK given time if we don't reverse some of our own bullshit laws, but people are dumb and choose the illusion of safety over liberty.

>>34157211
Liberal logic

>>34165297
They took the mile in 1997, we're trying to get a few feet back. There's no way they'll relax all gun control in one go, we need to make a case and see how parliament and the people respond.

>>34165297
i'd rather they didn't give guns to crazies or blind people.

2 shooting events killing 40ish people and pistols are banned.

No more mass shootings

Countless Muslim bombing/stabbing events killing 100s and injuring countless others

Why haven't we banned Muslims yet?

Even if we had guns we can't use them for self defense or the defence of others, because you would end up doing time with the crazy cunt you shot. Even though you stopped him stabbing 12 children.

>>34165090
Instead the 7 murdered after running over then with a van and then stabbed you would have the 15 - 30 murdered in you average shooting spree who no one manages to stop on time even with the thounsands of people with carry permits around.

>>34158376
gaz is a cunt tbqh

>>34158312
>implying suspected terrorists would pass a nics

And if you think a nics wouldn't deter them and they'd just buy one illegally, well they're already doing that in the rest of the world. I'm honestly surprised these guys didn't have guns, you probably aren't giving them enough benefits to be proper you racist xenophobic eurocuck, how dare you deny them their culture

>>34166856

muslims are not the problem

racism is the problem

psychotic faggots like you is why I keep a shotgun in the house

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>>34157211
And France has almost the same gun laws as the US. It's a sad thing but it happens. You can't prevent things if you ban them. It's like banning alcohol like America did in the 20s and made crime rise

>>34166962
>Average shooting spree
What is the average number of casualties from a shooting spree?

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>>34164509
Remember the good times

>>34157565
>Live in Liverpool
>Gun laws mean nothing
A kid literally got shot the other day, there's so many shootings that go unreported or dont hit the newspapers because it would hurt tourism

>>34159326
Police are civilians, fuck off.

>>34156363
First time on this board. Is everyone this retarded?

>>34157211
This is exactly why it's a "don't let shitskins into your country" issue and not a self defense law issue.

The only laws that will protect you are ones that keep the savages out.

>>34167091
>It's like banning alcohol like America did in the 20s and made crime rise
same thing is happening now with the war on drugs.

>>34159107
see
>>34158909

no matter how much you are defending your position, you will be always wrong

>>34167237
Meth can go fuck it's self

>>34167045
>shitskins keep blowing up our stuff because we aren't tolerant enough :'(

>>34167045
0/10 not even trying to hide it

>>34165103
>There's a litany of cases in America where attacks have been stopped by concealed carry holders
A small portion.

>Lets ignore the notable absence of legally owned firearms being used for terroristic purposes in the Czech Republic or really anywhere else in the world for that matter.
>or really anywhere else in the world for that matter.
Are the US and Norway not on planet Earth? As for other instances, chances are it's due to their gun laws.

>The Bataclan attackers in France used illegally imported AKs.
That's significantly harder to do in the UK where it's a fucking island.

>Why would a gun law deter a terrorist fuckknuckle?
Apparently they do well enough to deter the terrorists considering they've started resorting to vehicle attacks and mass stabbings instead of using guns.

>You just keep on with your "banning things will fix the problem", while your people get slaughtered in the streets.
I'm not advocating to ban things, I'm just pointing out problems with your logic. You're going to embarrass yourself if you actually try to argue with someone who is actually anti gun and use those points.

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>>34158131
Just start a race war already, my dude. Civilized humanity may prevail or it may fall. But at least with the latter case I won't be alive and have to put up with the poop smelling Muslim hoardes.

>>34158312
You seem to.be ignoring the fact that this hasn't happened and the one time it almost did a security guard shot them. I'm not trying to say that would be the norm, but it's a silly argument to make when the only recent example directly contradicts it

>>34158376
The Queen's English, ladies and gentlemen

>americans
>making fun of bongs
kekek

>John Robert Neumann Jr., 45, has been identified as the disgruntled ex-employee who shot dead five of his former co-workers in Orlando Monday

>>34168173
Calling that the "Queen's English" is like calling nigger hood talk "American English"

>>34168198
>be american
>get shot

>>34168200
Fair enough. I'll give it that it at least sounds more entertaining than "EH HOLE' UP NIGGA IF DAY LEGALIZE DAT SHIT ALL US GANGSTA NIGGAS GUHNNA GET RESPONSIBLE FO' DAT SHIT NIGGA CUZ DAT FUCKIN MARK ASS BUSTUH ASS NIGGA JAMARCUS BE GETTING A CAP IN HIS ASS STEPPIN' ON MY TOES NIGGA"

>>34158447

>be sitting at cafe, no weapon
>ohshit terroists fucking shit up
>shitskin in body armor aims at me
>dude with pistol behind him unloads into his back, striking him several times and hits his neck once
>terrorist stumbles and misses his shots in my direction and I flee to cover as the shitskin wonders wtf just happened and promptly dies a few minutes later
>pistol guy takes cover to either reload or gtfo


lucky me, thanks pistol guys

>>34168212
>be yuro
>get stabbed, ran over by a truck, beheaded and/or shot

Much better.

>>34168279
Subjective. I find nigger lingo far more hysterical than I do chav talk.

>>34168299
>>get stabbed, ran over by a truck, beheaded and/or shot
>all listed above has happened in the US since the beginning of 2017

Real European here. What is better for self defense? A pistol or a rifle?

>>34168299
Still much lower crime rates than USA. London is safer than Detroit

>>34168299
>be yuro
>because united islamic kingdom, france caliphate, and germenistan is entire Europe
American geography everyone.

>>34168279
Nigger babble is directly derived from lower class Britons.

>>34168328
A rifle if you don't have to conceal it.

It's just that most of the time you need to defend yourself, you aren't in your house.

>>34167045
>muslims are not the problem
you are wrong.
and in a larger context, religion in general is a huge part of the problem overall

>>34168374
Well i rarely leave my house. Thing is the firearm prices are through the roof and a pistol would be a far cheaper pick.

>>34158909
A glorious day for Texas!

>>34159343
Wait. Does it not count because it worked or does it not count because your country can't pull it off?

>>34168401
>inb4 *tips fedora*

This guy gets it. Islam just lends itself to this sort of thing, but religion at large is the real problem.

The UK will never "learn" because concealed-carry is not the lesson.

The reality is that Europe is at war with ISIS, which is supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and other Middle Eastern interests that want to bargain with Europe for policies favorable to their own interests. ISIS's attacks are not crimes carried out by immoral, desperate men that might be deterred by armed citizens; they are acts of war, carried out by determined fighters who want to effect political change. The lesson isn't concealed-carry by citizens, but rather a declaration of war by the UK government.

At this point, the only solution that would actually do anything useful would be ethnic cleansing. All Muslims must be removed from the country, by one means or another. The infiltration of radicals into the country is far too thorough and the propensity of "moderate Muslims" to radicalize at the flip of a switch is far too easily triggered for any other solution to have any effect otherwise.

>>34168501
Christians mass murdered Europeans too and acted shitty towards native Pagans. The truth is that semitic religions are pretty fucked up

>>34168565
Of course, they just don't do it anymore. Muslims are still stuck in the middle ages it seems. Islam is rigged against evolution. Just all needs to go

>>34160812
>You're the retard for thinking that they'd make an every day tool illegal.

Don't make me pull up "that" sign in a shop.

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>>34157211
See Swiss gun laws.

>>34158376
Gaz is a cuntyfuck that earned it

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>>34160812
So why didn't the handgun ban do shit?

>>34156363
it's an orwellian nanny state shithole.

>>34168354
If you can't understand the fact that each American state has its own culture and laws then don't expect me to acknowledge the same for Europe

>>34159140
>have more muslims than the UK

Barely. Percentage is what matters you dumb shit.

>>34158447
Shoot for the pelvis and thighs man. Much easier target. a damaged pelvis or hip joint will put a man crawling. A severed federal artery gives you maybe a couple minutes to live

>>34169084
faggot pls I can name all 50 american states and locate them on a map, plus I actually acknowledge the differences between some of them despite never been to the US.

>but USA USA USA
I can name canada and Australia's provinces too.

>b-but you're autistic
not an argument

>>34169253
>acting like I don't have a good point

Faggot pls I can label a blank map of Europe with each correct country but >lol murricunt edukashun. Don't act like Europeans in general don't have an undeserved grudge against America.

>>34160577
dubs confirm

>>34168565
And old version of Christianity that burned heretics, supported kings and enslaving of people is effectively banned.

>>34156677
You dumb fucks should go full scale IRA on your shitty government for allowing foreign invaders to treat you like sheep to be slaughtered.

Mosques and government buildings should be burnt to the ground, and traitorous officials and ragheads should both be hanging by the neck in the streets.

If they ever manage to try and take away U.S. weapons, that's exactly what's going to happen here.

>>34157565
>In 1936 fully automatic firearms were outlawed. Which I completely understand
What part of "No compromise" do you fuckers don't get.
Britcucks gonna cuck.

>>34169052
Just by looking at that graph, it appears to have dome something in the long run.

Lower than before the 90's.

>>34167107
In the US? About 3

>>34159140
You realize that of the US recorded crime stats like the rest of the first world we'd be top ten in least violent nations?

In the US all reported crimes get counted, whereas in the rest of the first world only convictions get counted.

>>34159270
>>34159239
Missing recent ones, like UT stabber who was stopped by a student cc'ing on campus

>>34170725
America's homicide rate is half what it was in the 90s though.

This is true throughout the industrialized world.

>>34156372
Hey look! FPBP

>>34168645
>Of course, they just don't do it anymore. Muslims are still stuck in the middle ages it seems.

There's a fuckton of Muslim nations, only a few of them (conveniently from the places bombed back to the stone age) really cause any issues.
When was the last time you heard of a Chinese who strapped bombs to himself and tried to kill unbelievers in Russia, or Beijing, or Tokyo?
There's like 20 million of them in China alone, we're talking about 4 European nations worth of Commie muslims who don't cause problems.
Oceania is also full of muslims and there's no problem with them in Vietnam or any of the neighbouring nations.
Likewise, you never hear of any sheiks from Saudi Arabia blowing themselves up on squares.


It's just a bunch of shithole fuckers who found a convenient excuse to chimp out. Or look at Chechnya. That country had no issuesied to with this, but then Russians tried to stick the old USSR cock in them and levelled their country to the ground... and voilá, suddenly the nation turned into a country of blood-crazed muslim radicals.

>>34157211
>If guns were less regulated to that extent, then the terrorists would have been using guns instead of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Or they would use guns instead of suicide bombers and high speed trucks.

>>34174636
>There's a fuckton of Muslim nations, only a few of them (conveniently from the places bombed back to the stone age) really cause any issues.
Except that all of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

>>34174636
>Oceania is also full of muslims and there's no problem with them in Vietnam or any of the neighbouring nations.
THE MUSLIM NATIONS ARE STARTING TO BECOME A PROBLEM IN SOUTH EAST ASIA

PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING

LOOK AT THE PHILLIPINES.

>>34174636
>Oceania is also full of muslims and there's no problem with them
The native Bangladeshis who are being slaughtered by the tens of thousands by insane fucking Jihadis would like to have a word with you.

>>34174636
This entire post is so fucking bluepilled it's not even funny. Did you change your facebook profile photo to have the British flag too?

>>34167133
There were loads of stories about Somalis and pakis shooting each other when I lived in Sheffield, including one about some 12 year old who got kneecapped by mistake, never made the front page though.
Leftist cum-sippers don't know about it because it isn't in the guardian below a photo of some smug liberal cuck, so they assume we are some gun crime-free liberal paradise.

>>34174636
>There's a fuckton of Muslim nations, only a few of them (conveniently from the places bombed back to the stone age) really cause any issues.
Saudi terrorists and Saudi money did 9/11, so this is a complete and total lie.
>When was the last time you heard of a Chinese who strapped bombs to himself and tried to kill unbelievers in Russia, or Beijing, or Tokyo?
>There's like 20 million of them in China alone, we're talking about 4 European nations worth of Commie muslims who don't cause problems.
Muslims cause plenty of problems in China and Russia. There are even incidents in Japan, despite the very small number of Muslims there. So, you are way off base on this.
>Oceania is also full of muslims and there's no problem with them in Vietnam or any of the neighbouring nations.
This is just not true. Muslims are so out of control in Bangladesh that the natives are fleeing the country in droves, and terrorism in the rest of Oceania is also a perennial feature.
>Likewise, you never hear of any sheiks from Saudi Arabia blowing themselves up on squares.
Sikhism isn't even a sect of Islam, you massively ignorant piece of shit. The violent past of radical Muslims, who persecuted and killed Sikhs, is the reason Sikhs traditionally carry daggers at all times - TO KILL ANY AND ALL MUSLIMS THAT GET UPPITY WITH THEM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#History

>It's just a bunch of shithole fuckers who found a convenient excuse to chimp out. Or look at Chechnya. That country had no issuesied to with this, but then Russians tried to stick the old USSR cock in them and levelled their country to the ground...
Western involvement can stoke the fires of Islamic radicalism, but the embers WERE there to begin with. Islam has been waging war on the West since the 7th century, AD. The Muslim incursion is attributed with the advent of castle-building in Spain and other parts of Southern Europe. Those who didn't build castles were killed or taken as slaves by radical Muslims.

>>34174830
google the word sheik.

>>34156363
maybe IF THE CAFE PATRONS HAD GUNS THE TERRORISTS COULD HAVE GOT THEM TOO

then, instead of being 7 dead in 8 minutes it would have been a few dozen

>>34174850
Google the history of slavery and what role Muslims played in piracy during the Middle Ages. These people have been radicals since day 1.

>>34174854
How many innocents have actually been accidentally shot by people CCing and attempting to stop a shooting? I'm curious

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>>34174636
As a white from Oceania I can assure you there's a massive fucking problem with them in Australia. Literally just yesterday there was a hostage situation in Melbourne with two dead, perpetrated by a Muslim who had previously threatened to blow up an Army base (bastard was on parole for some reason). Also another one just got charged for killing her 13-month old daughter. There aren't a lot of them here but they're disproportionately active in the 'fucked up shit' department.

>>34174876
mate all I'm saying is that it's a lot easier to kill a whole bunch of people with a gun than with a knife.

>>34174876
You can't compare crimes committed by ordinary criminals to acts of war committed by zealous fighters who are ready to throw their lives away for their cause. An armed citizen might be able to scare off a cowardly criminal who doesn't want to die, but the Jihadis are going to keep coming and try (and probably succeed) to take away the gun and use it in a way that maximizes casualties.

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Lost forever in a controlled explosion.

>>34174898
>>34174890
And this is why Yuropoors are unsaveable. Acceptable fucking casualties is a thing. Your shitskins wouldn't try a goddamn thing if everyone around them was armed, but instead, you're a bunch of sheep who insist you're better off with no guns at all.

>>34174915
>shitskins wouldn't try a goddamn thing if everyone around them was armed

lol yeh cos America doesn't experience violent crime because everyone has guns. Oh, what's that? You have the highest murder rate of any developed country on earth? Colour me surprised!

>>34163605
Not sure why I'm replying to memes, but that isn't true. They're both citizens and subjects, and are entitled to the rights of both. What's more, the UK tends to rank at least as high as the US when it comes to rule of law.

>t. law student

>>34174898
>trying to scare away a knife-wielding paki instead of putting him in the ground
Literally nobody suggested using a firearm to "scare him away" you fucking paki-pecker-prepper, your supposed to shoot and kill him with it.

>>34174973
>implying the paki would still be wielding a knife in a world where the UK had guns

>>34174973
>>34174977
Yeah, giving everyone greater access to guns is a really bad idea. Police however.....

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>>34174830
>>Likewise, you never hear of any sheiks from Saudi Arabia blowing themselves up on squares.
>Sikhism isn't even a sect of Islam, you massively ignorant piece of shit. The violent past of radical Muslims, who persecuted and killed Sikhs, is the reason Sikhs traditionally carry daggers at all times - TO KILL ANY AND ALL MUSLIMS THAT GET UPPITY WITH THEM.

>>34174983
>police are a special breed of human who are inherently more trustworthy than normal civvies

>>34175015
Yeah nah fuck you. It's police that put terrorists in the ground, because it's their job and they're trained to do it.

>>34174973
>Literally nobody suggested using a firearm to "scare him away"
Including me! The fact is that the gun would be taken from the armed citizen. Most gun owners aren't very highly skilled at defensive shooting.

>>34175083
>*teleports behind you and takes your gun*
>pshh, nothin personel kafir..
And if the average shooter is this shit a shot, why would it even matter if he got hold of it?

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Going to put in an application for my local police constabulary. Wish me luck Goyims!

>>34175321
Are you >6'0?
Are you >80kg's?
Have you passed your GCSE's?

If you answered yes to all those questions, you should join your police constabulary. If no to ANY, don't bother. You'll only make your unit worse.

Unless you don't plan on becoming a patrol plod, then by all means go ahead and be in Staff.

>>34175373
Looks like I'm all good then

>>34175373
Why those specific criteria?

>>34174898
>>34175083
>Muslim's are magical beings able to walk through gunfire and take the gun from your hand
Gtfo

>>34175373
Why 6'0 at least?

>>34174966
Not actually, though. A simple Google search could have told you that. But confirming your bias is alot more convenient, I'll give you that.

I'm not even of the mind that all countries should legalize guns. I mean, that's why we all have different governments. It's all up to what the people want, and if the people don't want guns then that's all well and good. But to be so deluded as to turn a terrorist attack into a positive example of gun control is just damned pathetic.

And I know it's been said here before, but there is obviously a reason this hasn't been happening in the US. And although you can't really say for sure, it's highly likely an armed populace has something to do with it, considering two attacks got stopped before they happened by a rando with a gun