/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

Are there any UK regiments that will be fighting in combat situations in the coming years? I wouldn't want to join and just sit around in a peaceful zone

>>34156336
>ywn remove Hadji with 7.62 real fuckin nato

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My recruiter is trying to get me to MEPS, but I'm on medication that will pop on my urinalysis.

Should I just tell him to drop me from his pool for the time being because I don't want to piss hot? Or would I be better off just going to another recruiter entirely once I'm cleared?

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If I already have a master's, what's the best way to use tuition assistance in the Army? I've heard I can still use it for language courses or CLEP tests. Any truth to that?

I'm going to join the German navy this July to become an Operations Specialist on a minesweeper.
Is there anybody here who has first hand experience in that field or has heard from somebody how it is?
My father did the same thing only on a different kind of ship back in the 80's and he enjoyed it, so I'm not worried, but rather curious about other peoples experiences. Needless to say, a few things probably changed since the 80's anyway.

>>34156336
I'm thinking about joining the military and I'm just looking for help or advice.

I had an accident that cut my wrist like three years ago but I'm mostly healed now. What're the chances of that keeping me out?

>>34156520
If it's prescribed medication it's fine.

>>34156936

CLEP and some language software is just free for the military, that's not part of TA.

>>34157533

It won't be a problem unless you actually cut yourself and are trying to bullshit.

Im leaving for MCRD tomorrow. How fucked am I? Im barely doing minimum

>>34157675
They'll get you there devil dawg, hooah, semper fi

>>34157692
N-no bls. Can they detect nicotine in piss or blood streams?

>>34157657
Gotcha, so is there anything I could possible use it for or am I fucked? Are waivers to get lateral degrees a myth?

>>34157722
i dont think they look for it. why would it be bad if they found it though?

>>34157984
Im underage and didnt tell anyone that i smoked when i met with doctors. Thats why so i don't want problems right before i ship

>>34156439
pls respond

>>34157556
It is prescribed, but it's an SSRI.

Are Drill Sergeants racist anymore? Will they make fun of me for having a silly ethnic name?

So I was told that there is a new retirement plan that rolled out at the start of 2017, is this true? What is the difference?

>>34158373
No. You're less than nothing to them. They're probably not going to risk their careers to take a shot at you.

>>34158937

Current plan: Each year of service you accrue 2.5 % of your final base pay as a pension, but you can only get it at 20 years. In a nutshell that means after 20 years in the military you can quit working and get 50 % of your pay for life.

New plan: They decreased the rate you accrue pension to 2%/year. So now if you retire at 20 years, you only get 40% of your pay for life. However, they also match your contributions to the military 401k plan (TSP) up to 5 % of your base pay, and you don't need to serve 20 years to benefit from that.

The new plan is going to be a bit worse for retirees, but anyone who doesn't make it to 20 years will at least get something instead of nothing.

>>34158954
Good to know, thanks. Did this indeed roll out this year? I'm hoping to get shipped out before fall comes around (haven't signed yet).

>>34158937

Current plan
-50% penchant at 20 years, 75% penchant at 30 years
-TSP with 1% automatic matching

New plan
-40% penchant at 20 years, 60% penchant at 30 years, 80% penchant at 40 years
-TSP now matches up to 5% employee contributions

Additional considerations are how to fuck the troops even harder by taxing currently non-taxed items as part of a single salary while only paying penchants on the base salary.

Yeah, the Republican Congress is fucking us up the ass.

>>34159066

Rolls out starting FY2018 (which is October of 2017)

any mechanical or electric jobs in the Airforce that are particularly good in civilian world?

>>34157670
That's good to hear. It was a freak accident a while back and it was a pretty nasty cut so they're definitely gonna fuck me up about the scars at meps

>>34159560
If you're working on any part of an aircraft, you can get a solid job once you're out.

>>34158373
If they can't pronounce your name, they'll give you a nickname.

If they give you a nickname, they'll always recognize you.

If you had any hopes of blending in at that point, good luck.

What combat jobs will net me some good real world job experience?

>>34159795
None, unless SOF , anything else someone says isnt really a " combat Job "

>>34159795

Unless you're talking about janitorial work, the "real world" doesn't use what you learn in combat jobs. If you're lucky you'll be qualified to sit in a guard tower as a civilian contractor.

>>34158201
They don't care.

Has anyone been through ranger school or know someone who has? What's it like

do they automatically do security clearances for all new enlistees or just basic bg checks

im asking will they call my old friends for any job

Should I start learning cadences

>>34156336
Which is a better enlistment choice to get college paid for, and to become a commissioned officer via ROTC, Army Reserves, or the National Guard?

>>34160544
Never done either, but National Guard you're also a state troop, so anytime there's a disaster you'll be called to help in addition to your 1 weekend per month, and two weeks a year. This will hurt your schooling if anything goes down.

>>34159945
Security clearances are expensive. Uncle Sam doesnt care that much about a cook or truck driver.

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>tfw I wanted to try Acid or Shrooms this year but now I can't

>>34160698
Degenerate.

>>34160544

Neither. Enlisting is not inherently part of ROTC.

>>34159596
Even if you did cut yourself on purpose, they can't prove that you did. As long as it doesn't affect your pull ups I don't see why it would matter in the least.

>>34160698
That shits out of your system in a few days isn't it?

>>34160716
Says the shitbag browsing 4chin instead of doing something to improve himself for the good of his race hurrdurr

>>34160698

It's clear from your system in three days.

>>34160762
I'm a fucking O-6 you piece of shit. Don't ever fucking disrespect me like that again. What's your name and rank? I'll have your ass before the sun even goes down you fucking cunt. Never fucking disrespect me again.

>>34160842
*farts*

>>34160488
No that's retarded. Get physically prepared instead.

If I shoot for being a pilot in the reserves or ANG how long am I going to have to wait for some old fucker to literally die to make rank?

I sleep on the floor all my life. When I go to basic, can I sleep on the floor? I will get more time each morning because I won't have to autisticly make my rack to retarded specifications. Will DI's yell at me for this, or expect me to make my bed every morning even if I didn't sleep in it?

>>34160966
DIs shouldn't disturb you after lights out so just do whatever you want as long as you aren't bothering your neighbors

>>34160966
No, don't do that. Don't bring attention to yourself.

>>34160842
>using paygrade in lieu of rank
Guess that's all you're good for is collecting a paycheck, eh?
>>34160892
Audibly kekked

>>34160986
>>34160988
Who do I listen to? I mean I can't see why they would care if I'm sleeping on the floor?

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>>34160999
He said they shouldn't disturb you after lights out. Doesn't mean they won't. I still remember giggling myself to sleep to the sounds of someone being choked on the other side of the squad bay

>>34161022
>I still remember giggling myself to sleep to the sounds of someone being choked on the other side of the squad bay
That was a blow job, not the DI

What's the difference between a Corporal and a Specialist if they're both E-4?

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>>34156439
>>34158310
REEEE WHY IS EVERYONE HERE A YANK

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>>34161072
>American website
>"Why is everyone American??"

>>34161064

Corporal is technically an NCO. Specialist is not.

>>34161118
How do you become a Corporal instead of a Specialist? If I become E-4 when I enlist because I have a BA, which would I be?

>>34161053
Someone's got some fucked up kinks if they're choking out the words "aye, sir" with a dick in their throat.

>>34161064
>>34161129
Corporal is the lowest ranking NCO, so they get all the jobs that technically need an NCO; and none of the pay or respect higher NCOs get.

It's a shitty token rank.

>>34161129

...what the fuck are you talking about starting as a corporal? You'll start as a private and retroactively bump up to specialist when you get to tech school, but you won't qualify to be corporal because you have zero leadership training. By the time you graduate tech school and take whatever leadership school in the Army is you'll be so close to E-5 that it won't matter.

>>34161129
A company commander can promote specialists to corporal, but promoting a specialist to sergeant happens at battalion level.

So if the CO wants to give some face to a hard worker (or more likely needs some extra plebs to manage a guard roster) he creates a corporal.

>>34161167
I thought if you had a college degree, you start out as an E-4?

>>34161189
Normally. At least in the US army you do, but if there's a paperwork fuckup or your recruiter screws you over...

>>34161189

>retroactively bump up to specialist

Everyone is a private. You may as well start at E-4 and pay-wise you do, but you don't outrank your fellow trainees until later.

>>34161118
Wait so a specialist is a lance corporal that gets corporal pay?

>>34161241

If you're looking at it from a memerine perspective, yes. SPC is the rank that everyone chills at because it's after you've learned how the military works but before you get any formal responsibility, just like LCpl.

>>34161241

The Army is not the Marines. An E-4 gets E-4 pay regardless.

In rasp week 6 at the moment. Anyone thinking of picking up an op 40 should do it. They're lowering standards tremendously

I tried looking for an answer in QTDDTOT but was pointed here regarding care packages.

My friend in the Navy sent me a message on facebook asking me to send him some logs of dip and a carton of cigarettes. USPS website says sending cigars domestically is ok (shipping to an FPO) and that there's no restrictions for his particular zip code but sending other tobacco products is apparently a pain in the dick.

Should I just declare the dip and cigs as cigars on the customs form or not? Was planning on sending some other food items in the package anyway.

What do actives think of reserves on deployment? I'm thinking of enlisting but can only do reserves for the time being and was curious to see what the big boys think.

>>34161947
Just show respect and respect should be shown back. But there's assholes in all walks of life. You shouldn't care too much about what others think of your career.

>>34157722
>N-no bls. Can they detect nicotine in piss or blood streams?

Why would this matter? Are they no longer handing out nicotine patches? Smokers were getting them in 2007 at Army BCT.

>>34160734
>Neither. Enlisting is not inherently part of ROTC.

He's probably talking about SMP which does have ROTC students enlisted in reserve or natty guard units.

>>34161129
>How do you become a Corporal instead of a Specialist?

It's up to your chain of command TBQH. I've seen infantrymen who were Specialists rather than Corporals. I also saw someone get "laterally promoted" from Specialist to Corporal because the CoC didn't want to promote him to Sgt (promoted a shit load of females who didn't seem to actually do any work to Sgt though) but wanted him in a leadership position with actual authority over junior enlisted.

>>34161241
>Wait so a specialist is a lance corporal that gets corporal pay?

Yes in this sense

>>34161261
>SPC is the rank that everyone chills at because it's after you've learned how the military works but before you get any formal responsibility

but technically no.

In the past the Army had a separate set of ranks for the enlisted pay grades that were meant for people with technical abilities needed that didn't require commissions nor any type of authority.

So along with Private, PFC, Corporal, Sgt, SSgt, SFC (was Tech Sgt during WWII), MSG/1SG,SgtMaj, there were Specialist 3-9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialist_(rank)

>>34161809
You just bullshitting?

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When it comes to AF aircraft maintenance jobs, is it better to go for something specialized, or something more general?

>>34162869

I'll ask my dad for you tomorrow. He went out as an E-7 in maintenance. He'll probably tell you to avoid weapons because there's nothing in the civilian sector related to putting bombs and guns on aircraft.

Can anyone speak to the benefits of being aircrew in the AF? What sorts of jobs can that get you in civ market

>>34162891
Ty in advance

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Recruiters will just stop talking to you if they think you're a shitbag, right? Because I wanted to change recruiters.

>>34162958
The recruiters, even those is other branches, all contact one another regularly.

If you try that, your recruiter is gonna give you a direct call and ask why you're cheating on him.

>>34162982
>You were moving way too fast for me.

I'll say it to his face too, if that helps.

>>34162991
>>34162982
>>34162958
I mean, for fuck's sake, I had to lie about being on drugs to get the guy to leave me alone.

>Hey dude what's up?
>Oh, I just got off a 12 hour shift.
>What are you doing tomorrow?
>Tackling schoolwork for some of these four classes.
>Oh so you wanna go to MEPS?
>Nope.
>Why not?
>I'm busy as shit.
>Why?

Repeat ad nauseum.

>>34163098

Recruiters are used to joining the military kind of being a priority for the person trying to join, instead of like the eighth thing on their list of shit to do.

>>34163110
>go in
>task pre-asvab
>tell him, in plain terms, that I was not looking to enlist right now -- that it was something I wanted to do in a few months
>they immediately start trying to iron out a date to get me to MEPS
>try to schedule it around November because that's when my classes end
>"Oh no, we can't do it then because all the MOSes will be gone and you can only be in the DEP for 365 days and yadda yadda yadda"

Yeah, nah, they had that coming.

>>34163110
not really

recruiters have quotas they need to fill and if they don't fill it for the month they get into trouble.

>>34163168

Yeah, and they're used to working with people who are actually interested in joining.

>>34163182
you'd think that but no. Most kids that don't walk in under their own power will get cold feet fast. Theres a certain amount of time and effort they will waste on one person before they can't afford to go out of their way anymore and will move on. They will still take you umpteen months later but expect to have your shit get all fucked up

>>34163182
You are never obligated to stay with a recruiter that you dislike. Your next 4-5 years do not come secondary to their quotas.

>>34160698
Standard drug tests do not test for LSD or psylicybin. You can try both. I only suggest you meditate on the mushrooms in isolation and go outside on the acid.

heyyy... is this /pol/?

>>34158373
>Are Drill Sergeants racist anymore? Will they make fun of me for having a silly ethnic name?
Are you from Africa or Mexico? Military seems to be overwhelmed by either of the two ethic groups. That's expected given that they're a majority of the under 18 population now.

Anyway, as long as you can blend in with brothas and cholos, you should be alright.

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13F vs 11B vs 19D

I really need help

>>34159945
SIGINT and other intel/comms operative MOS' only give you security clearances, combat jobs do not, and most non-intel jobs do not

Alright /meg/ I'm at a cross road. I'm trying to decide between 68W, 35F, and 35M. Which one provides the best opportunity for when I'm out of the military, and which ones will do the most cool shit (I'm doing option 4 if that helps)

>>34156336
I have to take this test called an OPAT in two days, anyone else take it? Wondering if it'll be hard, the shuttle run seems intimidating though I've never done something like it.

I'm finishing up the application process to join the Royal Australian Navy as an officer.

Is it true all junior officers cop shit from enlisted?

>>34164586
Everyone sees the greenhorn officers as overpaid pencil pushers. Its just bants mostly though, everyone cops shit to see if you can take it. Did you do any training on HMAS Cerberus? I had a few modules aboard it.

>>34164602
I haven't done any modules at Cerberus, I'm (hopefully) going in through direct entry not ADFA so I'll be doing initial entry officer training at HMAS Creswell.

>>34164645
What officer role are you going for m8?

How hard is it to get a security clearance? Other than obvious things like debt and a criminal record what kind of shit will fuck you if you're trying to get one?

>>34164712
-Favoring one country other than the United States
-Having innocuous foreign connections
-Being a subject or part of a anti-American government campaign/action
-Actively trying to subvert democracy

a bit more, but roughly speaking, you have to be a pretty huge degenerate to get denied secret clearance, top secret might be cookie cutter shit

>>34164726
suspicious not innocuous vocab fart

>>34164709
Clearance diving officer

>>34164735
I didn't know that was an officer role? I'm in for medical sailor

>>34164726
The thing is I used to be a degenerate leftist. Thank God I grew out of that shit but as an edgy teen I read Marx. I never actually joined any organization or went to protests but somewhere on the internet is an Amazon order for left-leaning literature or me saying something retarded on a deleted internet account. I assume reading shitty books isn't enough to get me denied though.

>>34164866
As long as you've been a decently good goy who generally isn't physically subversive you should be okay.

>>34164726
What if you were prescribed adderall as a kid and were told were bipolar/ADHD? What if you cannot find those records anywhere? If it's not readily available to you, how easy could uncle sam find it?

>>34164769
Yeah, apparently there is a two year wait to sign on as an enlisted clearance diver through general entry but they are relatively short on junior officers.

I was lucky enough to speak with a CDT member at my YOU session. Apparently during his CD acceptance test there were only three officers attempting the course and all of them washed out.

Medical sailor sounds pretty interesting though. Do you get deployed often?

Oi, what's a combat oriented job thats not infantry or the like? Basically, I'm female and I love shooting and anything weapons related, physical challenge etc. but I don't want to be shitty at my job (e.g. infantry) because I physically can't be on par with men.

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>>34156936
I don't know this but i just wanted to have fun

>>34158363
then stop taking it, you're not even gonna get in taking a SSRI

>>34165193
Yeah I get sent out more so than others, I'm pretty much a mix between ocean nurse and paramedic.

Ships always need medical staff so its an alright gig and I won't run out of work anytime soon. I'm pretty busy most of the time but rotations go alright though, if you've got the right attitude being a seaman is pretty rewarding.

Can I get a PMC job with FFL experience?

>>34165463
you gotta kill the bad guys, not sell them guns.

>>34165473
Lol. French Foreign Legion, not Federal Firearms License.

>>34164510

It will probably come down to whatever you can get Option 4 with. It's only available attached to the contract, and only intermittently. You can't pick Airborne and then a job, it has to be simultaneously.

>>34162869
Better in what way?

As far as I'm concerned, it's better to stay away from the jobs that put you under the pro super's thumb, namely: crew chief, hydraulics, engines, electrician, comm/nav or guidance & control. Stick with back shops jobs like: AGE, sheet metal, NDI, fuels, etc.

>>34163565
I'm half Puerto Rican, half White. My Puerto Rican half gives me the really ethnic first and last name, but my white half gives me white skin, so I could ambiguously be Italian. I was just joking about the racism part, I was actually just worried about this>>34159656
My dad has the same name as me, and he served, but he had a Hispanic drill sergeant so he didn't have any problems with sticking out because they couldn't pronounce his name.

So, Marine armor, or infantry?

>>34159907
Yes.

It is hell and will break you down emotionally. To the core. You need a real goal to want to finish, not some tough guy bullshit.
It's physically exhausting yes, but a real emotional challenge.

>>34165405
Apache pilot

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>haha thanks for coming in, we'll have a MEPS and ASVAB date for you by the end of next week tops
>april 24th
>still no MEPS/ASVAB dates

What the fuck is USAREC's problem?

>>34164712
>what kind of shit will fuck you if you're trying to get one?

Lying.

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How hard is it to contain powerlevel at boot camp? Like I'm into some pretty degenerate shit, kinda spooked I'm going to spill spaghetti when placed under severe physical and mental stress

>>34167158
dude just stop. Porn and fappin fuck up your psyche and sexual health. You'd be better off quitting that stuff and finding a girlfriend or even some kind of one night stand would be better than being a porno addicted throttle jockey.
Trust me.

Also in basic training, most guys didnt I guess, but I did here about a story about some moron who got caught playing with himself by the drill instructor...

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I'm nearly done with my comsci degree and I've been considering going the officer route in the Airforce or the Air National Guard. Besides jobs such as cyber security officer what else could I do? Also is becoming a pilot as impossible as I hear it is? Aviation has had to just stay a hobby for me because pilot school was too expensive, so I just studied computers.

Also, am I wasting my time if I become an officer? My ex military friends (none of them were officers) said to just find a job in the civilian world.

>>34167112
Should I tell the truth about doing MDMA twice with my ex-gf, and smoking pot?

Differences between Parris Island and San Diego? If I could have the chance to go to one or the other because of familial connections should I?

>>34156336
If you join the airforce as an officer what are the choices. How much if any control do you have of where you end up

>>34167660
It literally doesn't matter. Nobody cares about boot shit except other boots.

>>34164986
Drug use as long as it is in the past does not really prohibit you from gaining a clearance, but it does give them extra reason to scrutinize you closely. As long as you are honest and tell them honestly they will look over it as they are looking for integrity-based and severe dependency (AKA behavior such as willing to trade secrets for pills)

>>34167869
What if I didn't say anything about it during recruitment or at meps? Would they try to bone me that way?

What does Infantry do on a normal day at work when not deployed?

>>34167360
Getting your PPL is a huge leg up if you want to get a pilot slot through OTS. Your chances are almost nil without one.

Being a cyber officer in the Air Force and getting out after your 4 years could give you a shit load of high-paying opportunities in the private sector, that is, if you're decent at networking. It would be a guaranteed job at the very least.

>>34167891
professional landscaping and bullshittery to pass the time

>>34167668
Depends on your commissioning source.

Academy is the best route by far for pilot or RPAs. Almost anyone who wants it gets it as long as they are medically qualified. As for non-rated jobs they tend to push out a lot of Cyber, Intel, and Missiles. For the most part graduates get their 1st choice and at least their 2nd choice.

ROTC is good for engineers and scientists because the Air Force practically forces you to do a techie degree to qualify for a scholarship. Options are more limited to non-rated fields but graduates tend to also get at least their 2nd or 3rd choice

OTS is for the rest. Prior enlisted, people with college degrees, or postgraduates looking to go into medical/legal/etc. Your career is decided before you even enter training depending on what your degree or prior job experience you have.

>>34156520

Tell him it's prescribed and bring the prescription/doctors note

>>34167891

Drink

>>34162859
Not at all. Rasp is way overhyped, at least in my cycle

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>>34167996
I don't have a private pilot licence, but Ive considering going for it. It'll just be more time and money, but being signed in for 10 years seems kind of like a long time.

I'm seriously considering the cyber officer route for 4 years. Tons of employers from large corporations to even the government all need cyber security jobs so it's very tempting to go for. Thanks for the advice anon.

>>34168169
I'm looking at doing RASP, but I was afraid if I failed, I would be put in an MOS based on the needs of the military, but I want to go in as a 35F. Would I be fucked if I fail?

>>34168169
What is it like?

>>34167880
Wanna know this too as well, I told them no drug history and I smoked pot recreationally and now worried about 13F clearance.

I hear it's just best to be honest and that's what I'll do and hope for the best

>>34165866
backshop a shit
t. specialist

Can someone explain to me how paid leave works in the Army? I know you have something like 2.5 days per month, but do you absolutely HAVE to use them for just that month, or can you accumulate those days throughout the year and have a longer leave?

>>34168690

They just build up if you don't use them. Usually you can carry up to 60 days over to the new year.

When you can use them depends on your unit. Most will let you go on leave pretty much whenever as long as you give them a few weeks heads up. Some units restrict it to certain times of year where most of the unit goes on leave all at once.

Is it true that the Army has stress cards in basic?

>>34167360

Do you actually like writing code? Go get a private industry job. Good programmers make great money and can work anywhere.

Do you want to manage coders? Commission. The pay is good and it will set you up for the outside, but officers don't write code. You won't be marketable as a Computer Scientist when you're done with your service, you'll be a highly qualified technical manager though.

>>34168180
We got the shit smoked out of us for four weeks. Now we're shooting everyday and next week we do demo/breach. It's alright. Not hard if you're motivated

>>34168185
You don't get reclassed if you fail. You'd just go to a unit as 35 series. There's no downside to rasp

>>34162869
>>34162891
>>34162939

He said not to do weapons, but that anything in electrical or aircraft maintenance was good. He also strongly recommended loadmaster and aircrew jobs if you want to travel. Apparently loadmaster is some sort of godly job that nobody talks about.

How do you get your recruiter to leave you the fuck alone? It's every goddamn day with this shit.

>>34169602

Be up-front with 'em. Either let them know you're no longer interested or straight-up tell them when you'll be available.

If you make your own timeline don't bitch about the job you want not being available though.

>>34169477
just know that maintenance sucks. you work in all weather except lightning, and will work 12 hour shifts frequently.

PCSing to my first base soon. what can i expect?

>>34169686

Oh yeah. 12-15 hour shifts are pretty frequent. He also mentioned something about, during drills, doing your usual flight line shit but in full CBRN gear. He said something about losing ten pounds due to just sweat.

>>34169625
>tfw I'm such a fucking vagina that I had to lie to him about being on drugs to get him to leave me alone

Really hoping this doesn't affect me going to another recruiter in a few months.

>>34159066
Your date of enlistment determines you pay date. Once you swear in you're good.

>>34169721
luckily my unit is the pilot b course, so i dont have to deal with exercise bullshit, but yes. mopp gear is terrible. crew chiefs work hard, but on my jet specialists are all the different avioncs jobs combined, so we get absolute shit jobs fairly often. cant say anything about other airframes as i havent worked them.

>>34169726
Are you SSRI boi

>>34159560
Structural repair weenies are always in more civilian demand than aircraft mechanics because there are fewer of them. It's pretty laid back too.

https://www.thebalance.com/2a7x3-aircraft-structural-maintenance-3344285

I wasn't one but worked with them. I enjoyed being avionics, then crosstraining to engines, then being a crew chief because the flightline AFSCs were merged (Rivet Workforce).

Get on airlifters and your career can last far longer than just twenty in the Air Force since airlift airframes are kept in service a very long time. I worked with one C-130 AFET who had been a P-3 engine troop in the Navy (same engine family) then retired and worked for Lockheed in Singapore (his family loved it there) then came back to CONUS for a few years to retire a second time.

Even if not planning a career, always prepare for one. It's nice never feeling a recession. Talk to retirees both recent and older (less changes than one might think) and learn how to best position yourself.

Career, career, career. Do it right and you can retire in your forties or go for a second career if you like the work. I loved working on aircraft vs. civilian shit and I've done industrial maintenance and auto/truck/motorcycle wrenching on the side so I know whereof I speak.

>>34169831
Nah. I'm just spineless. Am I fucked in the future?

>>34160544
Air National Guard guys fucking love life and have very long careers. The Army have to take the lowest common denominator to fill the ranks so the system must work with the clay it is given.

Ignore memes, go Air Force. ANG or AFR are both good choices. Visit any units you are considering because they'll tell you straight and aren't desperate for bodies.

>>34160698
Grow up and do that shit when you retire. What you gain is worth more than a buzz.

>>34169689
What base? Branch? Mos?

>>34160957
Ask actual pilots.

www.f-16.net/

>>34169477
Career maintainer who isn't a pussy and I agree with him.

If 12s hurt ur wittle feewings then avoid the flightline, but I would suggest looking for airlifter-specific jobs because those airframes are good for second careers. Fighter airframe life cycles are long but much shorter.

I preferred the flightline and night shift because more wrenching and less politics. Phase Dock was cool too.

>>34169895
Do know anything about being a TACP in the ANG? I'm considering going that route after my first enlistment is up

How easy is it to cross train the airforce? I want to know that if I get a job I don't like I can swap to something else

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My mission in life is to become a pararescueman. I won't be physically ready for quite some time, as I haven't had access to a pool until recently. I became an EMT just to hopefully look better to a recruiter or to increase my chances into getting into the PJ program.

My question, should I pursue a paramedic certification? If I choose to, I won't be able to join until around January of 2019. If I decide to let them worry about training me I'll be able to join early next year.

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>>34161072

>>34169867
As long as you don't pop, no.

>>34169918
air force client systems

If you go pilot do you get to choose what type of aircraft you fly ? I heard if you graduate top of your class you get to pick but how far does the choice extend ? Can you pick which specific aircraft you want (B2, f16 etc )or just the type (transport, bomber etc)

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>>34170235
>>34161072
GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH, HIS TRUTH IS MARCHING ON

What language would be best if I want to try for an Army LRS unit? Just found that the DLI publishes the basic courses online (http://hs2.dliflc.edu/) along with a bunch of supplementary material (https://gloss.dliflc.edu/). I'm already conversational in Russian, and know a bit of Chinese and Japanese. I think I could pick up Korean quickly knowing the other two. ofc Arabic is another possibility for obvious reasons

>>34170263
I was worried about going back to another recruiter at that station and having him go "Oh don't take this guy, he's a druggie."

>>34170514

1. All conventional Army LRS units got deactivated last year.

2. LRS is tasked to avoid contact with the local populace as well as enemy forces, so they don't really have much call for linguists.

>>34169686
>>34169721
>>34169477
Unfortunately, I think my lack of depth perception killed my chances of loadmaster.


If you get put on an extended shift, does that ever translate into a reduced shift later that week/month? Or at least someone running out and getting grub for everyone?

I'll work however long you need me to if you'll stuff cheap food down my throat.

What branch is best for Firefighters?

>>34170850
air force if you're going to do a softcore job like that

>>34170572
I saw that they got deactivated, I just asked because I found what looked like an active guide for their application. Any units other units that do the long range surveillance thing?
The linguistics bit was just an aside, trying to pad my resume

What is better as far as getting experience for a well paying civilian job: 35F or 35M?

>>34170785
expediter will try to give you a cut back later in the week if he can, but its not a guarantee. our food runs have mostly been when we can afford to lose a body for a while to grab a bunch of takeout, or almost always on weekend duty back before we had a dedicated weekend shift. i havent worked on the weekend since then, so i dont know how we do it know. your best bet is to bring your own food, that way youll never miss the chow hall window

>>34170975

In peacetime 35F. If we're actually deploying probably 35M.

>>34171561
How does deployment help with getting a civilian job for 35M over 35F? Serious question

>>34171671

35Ms do fuck-all in garrison. You can't really do anything in the HUMINT world without deploying.

35Fs have plenty of opportunity to gain appreciable job skills in garrison, some of their most valuable work doesn't require going anywhere.

I'm in the Air National Guard and wanna learn to fly (but nor for the military... i just wanna get a pilot's license for private use)
Does tuition assistance cover pilot lessons?

>>34170211
Also, when should I get in touch with a recruiter? Is there any point in doing it now if I don't plan on joining until early next year?

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What is this thing?

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>>34172165
punished punisher

a man deprived of his wife, children, and military career

>>34168104
If I go the OTS route with a bachelors in International Relations how likely would I be to get Intel? Would it depend on test results or what?

>>34172446
Also to add on to this what would be the best branch for Intel?

>>34172088
That depends, do you like being bother at all hours of the day by some desk jockey dicktester desperate to get you to ruin your life trying to keep a bunch of goatfuckers for killing other for fucking each other's goats?

>>34172524
So don't bother talking to one until I'm ready to sign papers

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I'm stuck between navy and AF
Navy can guarantee the job I want, but idk how I would like being on a boat for more than a few months
Airforce has better quality of life and seems more laid back, and I always loved flight,but they cannot guarantee me any jobs I want.
What the fuck do I do here?

>>34172730
Get a guaranteed job that you'll like. No guarantee = the possibility of getting stuck in the laundry room bleaching cum stains.

>>34172730

What job? If it's critically manned you can all but guarantee it, if not then you only might get it.

>>34172890
Well to be honest, anything cyber/intel would be cool, or space systems, or something cool with aircraft like avionics, but I truly don't fucking know.

>>34172959

Do more research before you make a binary split like that.

>>34172962
My air force recruiter had me make a list of 10 jobs I would be interested in, so I have to in some way be OK with all of those.
If I had to say one specific thing I would want, It would be something like space systems operations

>>34173008

After three years you can reclass under the first term airman retraining program.

>>34170211
>>34172088
>>34172708
What's a good place to get PJ advice? Should I go to reddit?

What are some good tips for RASP? What's it like?

>>34172959
>avionics
That's in demand right now, you can probably score a guarantee

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Anyone know my chances for Naval OCS with a 3.0 GPA (Computer Science/Philosophy double major @ a top public university school) and a decent amount of extracurricular activities? Probably gonna be trying to send in a packet at the end of next year

>>34173093
Who does the guaranteeing? The people at MEPS? My recruiter is a lazy fuck that doesn't tell me shit about how this whole process works

I want to do a contract of something combat related, 19D. Airborne, RASP, and see how far i can make it. At some point I do want to switch off to something a bit more long term, looking at 88H or 25L.

What would the process be for switching MOS, and how difficult is it to switch when your contract is coming due?

>>34173781

Can't do RASP as a scout, regiment doesn't use 19Ds.

Ability to switch MOS depends on how how badly they need people in your current MOS vs. the one you want. Exception being "packet" jobs that you can apply for at any time, but neither 88H or 25L are packet MOSs.

>>34170896
Everything is softcore if it's not 0311.
Get this meaningless terminology out of here.
>>34170850
>best
Hard to say. They're rare in the Army to begin with, and Army has the firefighters who most closely resemble civilian ones.
They also do CBRN duties, because no one trusts those corpse-hosing nerds.

>>34173781
Why 25L?
I've been looking at Signals, and that and 25B are the ones I see most disparaged, but always for vague reasons. "Lack of advancement opportunities" is the usual complaint.

>>34173919
Can I still do airborne? That is my main goal.

That's the first time someone has said that to me, thanks for that.

>>34173955
I dont want to be an IT, shits boring. Cable installing is better if I decide to leave.

>>34173956

19D can do airborne. If you're curious in the future whether an MOS can go to RASP, it's like the first thing on Google when you look at "MOS for RASP".

http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thranger/Recruiting.html

>>34173078
Shadowspear is generally for best forum for SOF stuff.

>>34164726
I downloaded multiple cars and purses, how fucked am I?

>>34170949
My unit had a LRS company when I was in. They were all 11B, (had commo and medics but they were just attached from Brigade) had to be airborne qualified, if you were a corporal or higher you had to have a Ranger tab or they moved you to a different unit. They pretty much just sat around all day saying they were "basically Rangers" despite not doing jack shit, even on deployment. I'm glad to hear the Army disbanded them.

what's navy training like?

I want to join but [spoiler]I'm a shit swimmer[/spoiler]

Getting bored of university and thinking about joining the infantry for a new adventure. How retarded am I?

>>34174697
Write down how you feel, come back and read it again in a month.

Repeat until you stop being dumb.

>adventure in the peace time army
Get in with some hikers, goddamn.

>>34174724

Just don't have any sense of accomplishment tied into my life currently. My bachelors is just a stepping stone to doing Law and doing Law will just be a stepping stone to doing a Master's. From there I would ideally like to join the military as a legal officer but I am starting to doubt my commitment to this route or that I have the required intelligence. I am worried that I will always regret not having experienced the military if I do not take the chance but also do not know how far back it could push my life goals.

As an aside, I turn 22 next week and am fairly /fit/.

I've done a few hikes and they're fun but also more about getting ridiculously plastered than really pushing myself. I might try Mount Kilimanjaro next summer but I am not sure yet.

>>34174724
>>34174767
I'm thinking of doing the same for 68W. I'm about to study medicine so its kind of similar but its a 4-5 year postgraduate course and I want to be able to serve for a bit beforehand

>>34174846

I know what you mean, my dude. I really wish there were more hours in the day so I could get my degrees out of the way faster.

>>34170402
It depends on class rank and what the Air Force needs at the time.

In Air Force SUPT you first fly primary phase in the T-6. After that you pick the type of aircraft you want and go into Advanced Phase training on the T-38 or T-1. Once you finish Advanced Phase you can put in your preferences for the specific aircraft you want along with the base assignment.

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Realistically how long does it take to get to PFT scores to 300.

Starting off with

>10-12 pullups/chinups
>22 minute 3mile
>70 situps

>>34173175
Depends on what community you are applying to. The cyberwarfare and intel communities are super competitive. Not so much for pilot and NFO.

I got picked up for both pilot and NFO with a 3.0 and a Biology degree. You'll be fine, just apply.

>>34174767
>joining the military for a sense of accomplishedment
Stopped reading there; you already done got the game fucked up

Do I need normiebook to pass security clearance? Will they worry that I don't use it or have any social media presence?

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>>34175488
Yes you absolutely need facebook to pass security clearance.

:^)

>>34175488
>Do I need social media to pass security clearance

Buddy, there's no need to worry, because if that's your line of thinking they won't trust you with anything top secret.

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>>34173403
The recruiter, MEPs is just the military's shitty wannabe DMV processing center. Not sure if it's available with active duty, but us reserves bros get to sit down and select the job we want after the all clear from ASVAB and medical. My recruiter literally gave me a list of what I qualified for and was readily available, then let me take a couple of days to decide...whatever you do, don't go security forces. I've only done one weekend of drill so far and can already tell it's shit based off of the dumbasses that are going in that field; half can barely speak English, let alone follow directions

>>34175466

I don't understand. Why join if not for a sense of accomplishment?

>>34174614
Can you jump off a diving board and back stroke the length of a swimming pool?

If yes then you can pass swim, if no then you get to go swimming in the kiddy pool for the next 5 weeks or so to get to the point to pass the swim

>>34176358
>pay for college
>see the world
>health care
>dental
>getting wasted with bros and shooting towel heads

>>34176449

Cost of college, healthcare, and dental are negligible. I'm Australian.

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>>34161072
>>34156439
Shall I make a Britbong thread for enlistment?

I know these threads are typically anti USMC but is anyone training for Recon?

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I'm in the part of the recruitment process that has the recruiter calling up all my references

I fucking HATE this shit man
I hate having to ask all these people for a "favour" of having them be called by some military douche. I haven't talked to a few in years.

Fuck man, this stresses me the fuck out

>>34176743
Nope
But I'm watching Generation Kill now, which is great and about some recon marines in Gulf War 1

>>34176819
Sixta is in prison for child molestation and I had to live in his old house on base.

So these fucks are trying to get me into heli maintenance instead of 11B with a slot in airborne. My plan is to just play hardball and say call me when you have what I want. Havent signed anything yet, but thats my next step. I am doing the right thing, right?

>>34177027
Maybe
Probably

It's ok if you're not in a hurry
I tried to pull a similar stunt and was delayed a year

>>34177027

As long as you're qualified for 11B with Option 4, the right move is to hold out until they can get it for you. If you actually are not qualified for the contract, they can't make it happen.

As with anyone trying to play hardball with the recruiters, make sure you understand that this could ultimately result in them not wanting to work with you anymore.

>>34176743

Thought about it. Ultimately decided to train for something else that requires me to be in just as good of shape.

>>34177075
So what are your plans now?
I'm leaning recon over ranger because of all the cool guy schools they get to go to.
Recon has a very good chance of getting both scuba and freefall certified while very few rangers get freefall and none as far as I know get scuba.

I got two questions

1) I smoked weed a bit on and off, but I've been clean for a few months now. If They ask if I ever smoked weed, should I be honest and say yes, or just lie and say no?

2) At one point, I tried taking an adderall prescription when I thought I was suffering from ADD/ADHD. I tried it for a few months, it didn't work, so I stopped. I don't think I was ever officially diagnosed, but there are medical records that show I took it for ADD/ADHD.

Will this stop me from getting into the Army? and again, what should I say at MEPS?

>>34177177
Don't admit to anything that they cannot prove.

>>34177177

The right answer is to admit to everything and get the appropriate waivers.

If you can't get the appropriate waivers, military service has been closed to you forever due to your past. Tough shit, it happens.

If you lie to get in you'll have to live that lie for the rest of your life, and it may limit your career opportunities if you ever want to attain higher levels of trust.

Jesus CHRIST
Fuck man
This recruitment process is a hell

Every week I get a new phonecall from someone asking for something new.
Every time I ask them I'm like "Is that EVERYTHING? Do I need to supply anything more?"
And they're all like "Yep. That's all"

But nope every week it's some new file I need to dig up.

This week's special is my high school transcript.
Because my university degree wasn't enough to show I can speak fucking English

>>34175488
>Do I need normiebook to pass security clearance?

I didn't have a Facebook until I was already in the Army with a TS/SCI.

>>34169337
>There's no downside to rasp

Except going to/back to your unit and getting shit on for trying to better yourself. That shouldn't stop anyone from trying and going to RASP and SFAS even if you don't make it through or get selected is great training and will impart some good ability in basic soldier skills.

The downside is that retards will act like you think you're better than them because you tried it. So just be prepared for some lazy cunt always looking to skate to talk shit.

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>>34177177
This guy:
>>34177256
Is a shill.

The military employs people to shill for them online. You're not going to say anything, because the Army cannot prove anything. You've never smoked weed and have never been on any medication. HIPAA will stop the military from ever getting your medical history. They will say that they have them, and when you get to basic, they will have an out for you that is literally called "The moment of truth" where they will tell you they have all your medical records and that they will prosecute you, throw you in jail, etc etc. unless you stand up, then you will be forgiven. The military even has people that they pay to stand up. It's a crock of shit. They don't have anything.

>>34177110

CCT. I like that they're well rounded, but if I was going the DA/SR route I'd have stuck with recon.

>>34177531
CCT is a good choice.
Buddy of mine just got a reenlistment bonus of 90k.
But he has been in 13 years. Still great money for a badass job that can be very lucrative when you get out.

>>34177590

Nice. I plan to become a diplomat after I get out so I'd actually have more synergy in SF or Raiders but CCT actually just started paying people who get farmed out to ODAs etc the full bonus for learning languages. It only just now occurred to the Air Force that such a thing had merit.

>>34177515

I'm not a shill, just a veteran who ended up running into a situation that would've fucked me over had I lied when I initially enlisted.

Odds they catch you lying are pretty damn low, but that's not what it's about. Integrity is about doing the right thing even if you're probably not going to get caught. Lying your way into the military is a shitbag thing to do.

>>34177708
>Lying your way into the military is a shitbag thing to do.
t. ISIS

>>34177708
This. Don't lie, take it from someone who got caught and sent home. It's not a good idea, especially if your family ever had you on TriCare.

>>34177741
At what point did they catch You? During MEPS or basic or what?

>>34176084
I was warned far in advance to avoid security forces. My fucking recruiter is a jerk off and doesn't care about me being guaranteed shit, and he never did anything like yours did for you. Should I just talk to a new recruiter?

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What's Marine Intelligence like

I just want shiny medals and confirmed kills for my country.

What branch of the military do I join?

Always been something I've dappered in thoughts with. I think I'm better off joining military than going to some random state college. Im 18, just graduated

>>34178082
>Marines
>Intelligence
LMAO

>>34178212
gudmem

>>34178166
Only people 'gettin sum' right now are Special forces.

Seals (Navy) Marsoc (Marines) Green Beret/Delta Force (Army)

>>34176358
>Kill on three

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>>34178082
>Marine Intelligence

>>34178302
Real talk: all relevant Marine Intel comes from the Navy.

>>34178465
So, avoid Marine intel unless I can get a move to HUMINT/CI, right

>>34178349
Subtle memeing?
The only Special Forces in that list are Special Forces (green berets)
Everyone else just falls under SOF.
And I'd imagine all SOF are up to something right now, not just the handful you listed.

>>34177049
>>34177061
Just got back; said I'd hold out. I qualify for 11b option 40, but they are telling me they haven't slotted anyone in infantry in months who isnt a female.

>>34170503
The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down on the grave of old John Brown

Canadian Forces are having me do CFAT this week. I sent in my electronic application in a couple weeks ago.

How quickly should app to basic take?
I was expecting a 6month turnover, but if it's less than that I'm fucked.

>>34156336
Does anyone know how different the Navy's AIRR and the Air Force's Pararescue are?
I looking into doing one of them but don't know which.

>>34179296
Idk about Navy but Air force PJ does more than just rescue. They also act as medics when working with other SOF.
On that same note is Navy AIRR even SOF?
If not then I'd also throw in PJs will have a bigger budget for cool guy shit and additional schooling.

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I've decided that if college doesn't work out for me, I'm going to become an airborne infantryman like my grandfather and great grandfather before me.

what sort of contract should i be looking for? I don't necessarily care about anything like Ranger school, but Airborne school is a must.

>>34179637

11X Option 4 is the airborne infantry contract. If that's what you want, that's what you should hold out for.

>>34175337
Guy you replied to, I'm shooting for aviation. Is there a reason why Pilot spots are less competitive? All the more good for me, but I've heard that before and I've wondered why something like flying wouldn't be more competitive.

>>34179637
what are the chances of my getting that contract? i understand there are limited spots.

>>34179748
Chances are high if you're willing to wait and tell your recruiter that's the only contract you will sign.

A moral waiver will exclude me from option 40, right? It was a fully dismissed DUI

Also anyone here know someone or been able to land an 11B contract? My guys keep saying there are hardly any of them out there at this time.

>>34179637
Look m8 11x opt 4 will guarantee you a shot at airborne school but you should really insist on opt 40 and give it your all. Worst case scenario will you will still be airborne infantry and do literally nothing 90% of the time, and if you make it you can actually do your job and train with the best infantryman in the world and blow through limitless ammo and all the other cool shit the jsoc budget brings.

>>34179803
They're only giving them to women at this time to fill slots. Because "equality"

>>34179803

11B contracts don't exist for active duty, only 11X. Junior enlisted infantry was way overstrength last year and earlier this year, although that might have changed with the increase in authorizations.

>>34179486
On the Navy Warrior Challenge website, they're mixed in with the Seals, Divers and EOD. They work to bring Spec Ops home

>>34179794
sometimes, i wish hillary won so all this waiver bullshit and security clearance bullshit would take a backseat to the war with russia. "omg he lied about smoking pot" or "you had a DUI?" wouldn't get your clearance or waiver denied and these threads would be about 25% shorter.

>>34156336
can I get a waiver for my social anxiety if I have a computer science degree? I want to work on unmanned systems but it looks like defense contractors will be my only option.

>>34179995

Is it a diagnosed disorder or are you just weird? Do you take meds? Don't need a waiver if you're just weird.

Either way, though, if you wanna get into the "drone" industry you're probably better off doing it in contractorville.

So if I cant land an 11X contract, what would any of you recommend I get? There was a 89D with a 15k bonus I could have gotten today, but opted to roll the dice and wait to try and get a shot at infantry with opt 4

>>34180066

EOD is a good job but the training pipeline is rough. Don't pick it unless you're committed.

>>34179992
Hillary would've downsized the military and avoided war at all costs. You're not avoiding those waivers, my felon friend.

>>34180233

>avoided war at all costs

You must not follow foreign policy. She was edging to go into Iran in some capacity but would have avoided entanglement in SE Asia through competence. Donald doesn't have an agenda with Iran but is probably going to get us sucked in to SE Asia.

>>34180297
>She was edging to go into Iran in some capacity but would have avoided entanglement in SE Asia through competence.
>He actually believes this
Holy fucking shit, that was a good laugh. Go back to /pol/ you war loving faggot.

>>34164535
its a beep test, you can practice for it. google nigger

>>34180356

I'm not a /pol/ack you dumb fuck, I voted for Hillary believing this and I'm horrified by what's happening in our country right now.

>>34161809
are you combat arms? or are 11b with you in your class?

>>34180439
>I voted for Hillary believing this and I'm horrified by what's happening in our country right now.
>I'm not a /pol/ack
Pick one, faggot. It's fucking insane how much you're attempting mental gymnastics.

>>34180462

Oh, you're trolling. Carrie on.

I just finished the ASVAB for AF, got a 97. I'm pretty fit and grew up in a more rural setting so I'm thinking about SERE. However I'm not supposed to put that on the list of 10 jobs, so for that I'm thinking cyber related positions that would allow me to thrive after getting out.
Problem is I don't know which jobs to pick. Also I'm staying overnight and finishing MEPS tomorrow, so advice for that would be appreciated too.

>>34180637

>not supposed to put SERE on the list

wut

>>34177177
if you want a job that needs TS clearance tell the truth, but for a job that requires Secret or no clearance you should lie.

>>34180654
Oh he said I can take the PAST and there's openings for it for those capable of completing the pipeline. So as it's p/f he said to write all the other jobs I'm interested in on the list. Maybe I wrote it wrong, don't think much on it

>>34180675

>SERE contract comes with an enlistment bonus upon completion of the pipeline
>your recruiter has you going in on an open

>>34180675
I hope you like security forces, Airman.

>>34179794
Yup. But take the Asian. If you score above 105 an go infantry, you can take a rasp contract in basic. A buddy did that in our osut cycle

>>34178349
Actually retarded. Only two sf groups are deployed. Rangers are killing everythi g in Syria right now

>>34180637
I'm so jelly that you Americans get told your test scores

In Canada they just kinda go "Eeeegh we aren't kicking you out"

>>34180854
how do you mean 'take the Asian'?

>>34180726
>>34180745
Alright I'll put it on my list. And what do you mean Security? Do you get put there if you fail the pipeline or do you still have options?

New fag here, so I'm looking to deploy in October for the army with a pursuit in being a chaplains assistant, trying to go chaplain, anyone got advice as regard to boot camp or if anyone here ever tried chaplain assistant??

>>34181336
No idea about chaplain shit
Don't you need like a seminary degree or something?

As for basic, it's a game. You play games don't you? It's a game where you can't "win" except by lasting it.
Nothing you do will be "good" enough, but that doesn't mean it represents who you really are. Your "game persona" isn't good enough. But that's not you.

If you take it personally, you're gonna have a hard time.
All you have to remember is that the are trying to make you quit. By not quitting, you beat them. Go all the way through, you win the game.

For intel/cyber, Airforce or Navy? Which branch would be "easier" to retire in?

>>34181458
AF probably
What with the drones and shit

Don't get your hopes high with Intel by the way.
I had my hopes dashed there.

Even with great university grades and a higher than average test score.

>>34181458

Navy cyber and intel are leagues ahead of Air Force, pun intended. Plus you can pick your job and make E-5 insanely fast. Air Force can take years and years.

Why do Marines get so much flak on here?

>>34181568

>Navy cyber and intel
>leagues ahead of the Air Force

Wew lad.

>>34181666
Because there's no reason to go Muhreens over Army unless you believe the crayon eating glue sniffing propaganda

>>34181666

Because 4chan is a snarky counterculture community. Most of us will admit that the Marines produce a superior infantry force to the Army, but the sheer worship that Marine and Navy propaganda encourages mockery from people like us.

>>34181689
Marine culture is just so much more fun than Army culture.

>>34181703
You mean the smug sense of superiority while you play with the Army's wasted parts?

It's all propaganda and "history".
If you erased all of the past now and evaluated both, the Army would be the obvious best choice, every time

It's just the "Muh Chesty", "Muh Devildawgs", "Muh dress blues wit suhward"

If that's enough for you to want to increase your risk of death, go for it

>>34181506
Why not get my hopes high with intel?
>>34181568
How so? I really am at a fucking cross roads here. I can't fucking choose between the two.

>>34181735

Not him, but nah. The Marines create a high morale conventional combat arms force that outperforms the Army's routinely. The problem is that they literally do everything that isn't standard combat arms more poorly than the Army does.

Air Force enlisted 2W231 here, leaving for basic in 13 days.

>>34181760
>The Marines create a high morale conventional combat arms force that outperforms the Army's routinely
That's because they take the people who naturally buy into the motard oorah shit

Of course they have high morale
Regular people go Army

>>34181735
Gee, it's like things don't exist in a vacuum. Yes, the Marines have an exceptional and interesting history, that's a part of the culture. It makes the branch interesting, and that breeds good soldiers.

>>34181784

Espirit de corps is a legitimate factor in a fighting force's performance. On the battle field. In everything else it counts for roughly zero, especially when your pogs are treated like lower than shit for not being combat arms.

>>34181759
>Why not get my hopes high with intel?
They don't take very many every year

I tried for Intel officer and got told "Please wait until a position opens up" for two years.

Go for it, but don't expect just because you have high grades and a good ASVAB that you are guaranteed entry.

>>34181791
>>34181803

Yes I agree. If you have a corps of simpletons who don't question everything, the morale level is going to be great. Just promise them crayons and they'll run over minefields with a giant smile.

But since that guy was asking, and since he was just able to ask, then it means that Army is for him.

If he's like "I like da shiny suhwards", then yeah, go for Marines

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>>34181818
>since he was just able to ask, then it means that Army is for him
I'm already signed up for the Marines. I do like the shiny swords.

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Do officers often have longer contracts than enlisted personnel?

>>34181842
I don't know
I'm signing up now as an officer and it's 8 years

Canadian, at least

>>34181866

>>34181832
Then you did the right thing

I talk shit about choices when they're unmade
But when they're made, you fucking go into it 110%
The marines have a history that no other branch can match. The toughest fighting force in the world.
There is nothing that strikes fear into the heart of the enemy like "We're up against the US Marines"

Go get 'em devildog

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>>34181888
This post has a condescending tone.

>>34181904
I tried man

I don't want to make you feel bad. You made your choice. Doubt makes you make mistakes.

With zero percent dishonesty, there is nothing as prestigious as being a US Marine

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How does HIPAA correspond to the military's ability to access your medical records?

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What's the best /fit/ advice for someone not /fit/ at all who wants to join the Air Force

>>34181972

You sign a HIPAA waiver when you choose to join, it's not an obstacle.

The military doesn't go around randomly requisitioning medical records though, which is what people mean when they say you will probably be fine. It demonstrates a lack of integrity, but not necessarily a lack of practicality.

>>34182094
>air force
Just start running. thats it.

>>34181972

You sign a waiver for it, but there is no one "medical database" that everything goes into. There are a fuckton of databases and they only inquire into where their investigation leads them. That usually means they look for what you tell them.

>>34181699

>Most of us will admit that the Marines produce a superior infantry force to the Army

Your daily reminder that conventional Marine infantry receive less training, equipment, and funding than conventional Army infantry. Army infantry has literally better everything, including support and personnel. Literally the only thing Marines have going for them is a marketing campaign.

When it comes to non-conventional ops (SOF) they aren't even comparable.

>>34182136
So if I tell them nothing, they find nothing?

>>34182094
Air Force is like 40% fat bodies. If you can knock out a 1.5 mile run, you're AF material.

>>34182173

Depends. You have insurance? You have insurance that you disclosed federally for taxation purposes? Your insurance pay for anything that might be compromising?

>>34182141

Kek, what the fuck are you on about? You can crank out an Army infantryman in about two months of infantry training after a basic training regiment with standards at about 2/3 of Marine standards. 40 pushups minimum vs 60. 2 miles vs three. Two months spent doing infantry training vs three.

The fuck are you getting your bullshit from? Your ass? Well done recruiter sempai.

>SF and MARSOC aren't comparable

Holy fuck, somebody get on the horn with the joint chiefs and let them know the news!

>>34182200
Yes. No. Yes.

>>34182225

Then it all depends on how lazy the investigators are and how much of a paper trail you left.

>>34182232
I was on Prozac for a few years. Hopefully that doesn't fuck me.

As I understand it, they pretty much have to investigate a fuckton of places to even stand a chance of finding out, right?

>>34182246

They might get it in one. They might not really look. It all just depends.