This rifle is superior in every way compared to the M4/AR15.

It's heavier, for one thing.

>>34155263
have you ever fired either

folded over a thousand times with superior german steel

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>>34155347
try again, this is superior swiss quality not german trash

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>>34155263
I can't, he's right

/thread

>>34155808
>implying the Swiss Aren't just a mixmaster full of Germans, French, and Italians
>implying Swiss firearms aren't even more overrated than German

Get fucked faggot

>>34155263
Its an ak with ar quality and accuracy

>>34155263
>>34155263
Can I buy one in the us?

>>34157158
YEah but costs a shit ton of money.

>>34157158
you can get a Sig 556 rifle. they are no longer being produced, but there are still quite a few popping up on gunbroker and the like.

>>34155263
>This rifle is superior in every way compared to the M4/AR15

Yeah, I guess that's why they're still being produced for sale in the US with a thriving userbase and healthy aftermarket as well as adoption by multiple first world superpowers for use by their armed forces.

Oh wait, what's that? None of those are true?

Hm.

>>34157396
Who gives a shit about your shit import laws and shit market?

It's widely used around the world as special ops weapons,

>>34157431
Summer is here.

>>34155263
Does it cost 400$ and have the best. After market of any gun on the market as of right now? No okay. Nice talking to you.

>>34155263
isn't it like 4 moa?

how accurate and reliable do you need a service rifle to be?

can joe keep it running in the conditions he encounters and hit chest sized targets with the irons or optics and ammo and trigger the government provides him out to reasonable distances? (with the probably football zero that his unit prescribes)

>>34155263
>More accurate than any AR15 you can buy
Not true and the bore isn't even chromium plated or nitrocarburized.

>>34157158
If you have a few grand you can still find those SG553Ps they imported back in 2012 or so. Otherwise you're stuck with pre-ban shit for 10 grand.

>>34157205

I have one. It's breddy gud.

>>34157396
>>34157431

Our market for small caliber military rifles is pretty fucking garbage, way too many ARs - too few and too expensive things that aren't ARs.

>>34157782
>chrome bore
>improving accuracy

fuck, I thought it was still May, oops

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>>34155263
>puny nato cartridge
ha ha, no. STGW 57 best rifle of all time

>>34158028
Why did Switzerland, a non nato country, adopt 5.56 then? Even before they decided on 5.56, they had been developing indigenous small bore cartridges as a replacement for 7.5 for at least a decade.

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>>34155263
>More accurate than any AR15 you can buy

Milspec vs milspec? Sure.
But a top of the line AR15 will beat it in the accuracy department. No wonder, really, the AR15 lends itself better to it.

>More sturdy than any AR15 you can buy

Sure.

>More reliable than any AR15 you can buy

Sure, in the vast majority of scenarios.

>More ergonomic than any AR15 you can buy

Not really.
The stock hinge kinda bothers lefties due to how you need to manipulate the safety.
The center of gravity on the 550 is pretty far to the front. Even the shorter 551SB is still quite front heavy.
Mags drop free more easily on the AR15, making reloads faster.

>>34157947
>I have one. It's breddy gud.

Heh, the Sig 556 is nowhere near the same thing as a swiss 550/551/553.

>>34158138

Mine is one of the ones with the folding stock instead of the M4 style one.

The only real difference is the magazines I think.

>>34158160
>The only real difference is the magazines I think.

Keep on dreaming, sunshine.

I have never shot a rifle more boring than the Sig 550.

Best rifle is g36

>>34157465
>>34157782
Its a tack driver, .5 to 1 moa, can hit a 8in target multiple times at 300m

>>34157431

>Who gives a shit about your shit import laws and shit market?

Every single relevant small arms manufacturer that hasn't been specifically barred from doing business in the US? Are you actually this stupid or just blinded by asshurt?

>It's widely used around the world as special ops weapons

There are several rifles currently in use by the world's premier special forces and counter-terrorism units and as good as it is, it isn't one of them.

>>34158185
No, I think he legitimately doesn't know the difference. Hell, I know there is a difference and I'm still not sure exactly what exetershit tucked up
>they've fucked up every rifle they've put out

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>ultimate service rifle

>>34157461
>$400 AR

Yeahhhh I definitely wouldnt trust my life to any $400 semi-auto rifle other than a .22. You get what you pay for, and in this case low quality steel and ultra cheap plastic made in a sweatshop

>>34157789
But I have seen on SwissArms website that you actually can importe pistol version of the SG551-553 and the SG 751 SAPR.

>>34158007
Where did I say that a plated bore improved accuracy? It's much easier to keep an unlined bore consistent, hence why your argument is stupid.

>>34155808

They are called mountain krauts for a reason.

>>34158908
Of course you can, there's no legislation preventing you from importing those pistols. I don't know how you would get an SG751 into America, though. It's got bad features on it.

>>34158057
We use 5.6 not 5.56 :^)

>>34158941
:^^^^^^)

>>34158941
>>34158976
Okay, GP90 is BARELY different if that's really the case.

>>34158929
>there's no legislation preventing you from importing those pistols

So why is every burger crying "muh why no real swiss fun in murica" ? Why not just import the pistol version and then ask your authorities to add a buttstock ?

There is a 751 SB version that can be imported.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfDQEQA2y_o&t

>>34155263
Rather have a 540.

>>34159193
GP90 isn't different, it's just nomenclature.

>>34159411
>So why is every burger crying "muh why no real swiss fun in murica" ? Why not just import the pistol version and then ask your authorities to add a buttstock ?
- They want a 550 which isn't sold as a pistol
- They're poor
- They're idiots
Second two are probably the reason for most of them.
>There is a 751 SB version that can be imported.
I'm guessing, by the P designation, it comes in as a pistol which is fucking hilarious. I want one, now.

>>34157782
what? can someone proof it that the bore is not nitrided?

>>34160324
It's completely untreated for precision. It wasn't designed at a time that nitrocarburizing was popular, especially for that purpose, so it doesn't have it.

>>34160354
so its actually less corrosion ressistant than an ak?
how do they achieve a service life of 15'000 rounds?

>>34159905
I'm glad I left the disclaimer saying "if that's really the case." I knew something didn't seem right about that.

>>34160385
>so its actually less corrosion ressistant than an ak?
I don't know, no one knows. The steels used by the 2nd world are kind of a mystery as far as I've been able to find.
>how do they achieve a service life of 15'000 rounds?
That's going to depend on what is acceptable precision for them, firing schedule, what steel is used, etc.

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>>34157947
me too. it's fucking awesome. i wouldn't mind having the real deal 551 tho.

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>>34157205
I loved mine, I sold it to my brother and I intensely regret it.

>>34158057
muh peacekeeping and supplying them issues.

>>34158005

ARs are cheap precisely because they're ubiquitous

>>34155263

No bolt hold open, exceedingly heavy, and nothing in the way of aftermarket.

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>>34155830

>>34160752
So the Swiss are huge assholes?

This is from another thread but it's Swiss military.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq433Kc5vlo

>>34160737

It has a bolt hold open.

It has an aftermarket.

Do you even lift bro?

>>34160632
>swiss furniture
>diopter rear sight

you slippin, son.

>>34160737
bolt does hold open, newfag.

>>34155289

And all that weight is up front.

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>>34161081
yea and it's a pussycat as a result. literally feels like a rimfire.

interesting documentary for you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQcl6ymmA_Y

>>34157396
>Things can only be good if they are popular in america
>US car industry practically banned Hilux imports through heinous import taxes in order to force people to buy domestic trash
>China made a bunch of excellent civilian AK clones since the 70s, but banned from import forcing people to until very recently buy IO shit
>Colt was for the longest time the only civilian source of AR15s, in spite of them being of such shit quality that FN has been producing the military contract since 1991.
Woah bro, my almonds are on fuckin fire right now

>>34155263
>i've never held/seen/shot the gun I'm claiming is superior

the post

>>34161081
Yeah, but the Swiss don't care. It's not like they're interested in anything vaguely approaching a concept of maneuver warfare.

>>34155263
its not a bullpup. /thread

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>>34161161
>Al Jazeera

>>34158328
You don't quite grasp what moa means exactly.

>>34160752
total bullshit

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>>34162370
Ahh my first crush...

AJ is legit. Just watch it.

>>34155960
No it's not, stop this meme.

>>34161161
Holy fuck, either she is a very tiny woman or 550's are fuck huge long. I have hunting rifles shorter than that.

>>34162612
oh yeah why the fuck not? because you're a single source media watching cuck that's why eat shit
aaaaaaaaaand POST!

>>34155263
Sauce those claims bitch.

>>34161161
> Be GSWA
> Launch initiative to make weapons in the home illegal
> Because they had 17 murders in one year
> Out of 8,200,000 people

>>34162947
>GSoA

I hop the day of the rope will come soon for faggots like this

>>34157205
Wow, I didn't even know they stopped making them.
I still love my original 556 swat.
It's always a pleasure to shoot.

It's a very boring and non threatening looking rifle.

It's literally the fudd rifle of Switzerland.

>>34162947
The initiative against Firearm Violence was launched by an alliance of feminist medias, socialist-pacifists, faggots and urban metrosexuals. It got crushed during after an emotional campaign (think of the children and women). One or two year ago, the registration of old firearms got sent down the shitter. Same happened to the national firearms register.

>>34165108
And now the EU is doing the work for them.

>>34157396

>with a thriving userbase
People are more likely to buy something familiar, even if it may or may not be superior to the less familiar product. ARs and AKs are familiar , so they left the "Weird Mountain Jew Gun" for ol' reliable.

>healthy aftermarket
It's because the AR-15 already has a massive user base in the states. A run-of-the-mill AR15 has that insane aftermarket support due to the massive amount of AR15s in the country, so a company would be better off marketing products to that demographic because they would more of a chance of pushing products,and the same goes with AKs. It's got nothing to do with the Objective advantages/Disadvantages of either weapon platform.

>adoption by multiple first world superpowers
Different superpowers have different requirements. The swiss, having a low military install base focuses on making each individual soldier more effective than other countries. Hence why the SiGs are so finely crafted. They don't have to mass produce, so they can put more work into their rifles which would arguably make them better, in an ideal world. Compare that with America relies more heavily of suppression tactics and Vehicular/Artillery strikes, so the individual does not have to be as effective. Hence why their weapons requirements are of a lower spec.

Furthermore, for a country to take all those weapons out of commission and replace them with a more expensive equivalent would be an economic and logistical nightmare, so it's better to keep all those weapons in, rather than swapping them with an arguably better equivalent. It's why both Russia and the US have been using what are in all practicality the same weapons since the 60's. Also the SiG platform is very popular in law enforcement and special forces, which can afford to field different rifles.

>TL:DR: Economics my dude, your points are of no consequence to the Objective Advantages/Disadvantages of the rifle

I agree so much op. I used this gun in the original counter strike as well as call of duty modern warfare series.

Such a fun and reliable gun.

>>34165217
>Different superpowers have different requirements

As the Swiss dont have the requirement to actually build a rifle to go to an actual war with. You can see it that they rather build a sports rifle.
no chrome-lined or nitrided bore is just one of many things where you can see that its just build for paper shooting.

>>34165278
>no chrome-lined or nitrided bore is just one of many things where you can see that its just build for paper shooting.
Retard.

>>34155263
Looks like you posted the wrong pic, based on the content of you post you meant to post a picture of the Canadian C7/C8 rifles.

>>34158874
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-18-rifle-length-223-wylde-1-7-nitride-15-m-lok-upper-with-nickel-boron-bcg-ch-516445817.html
I got this for 330$ 2 weeks ago.
Stacked holes at 25 yards during the zero. Than at 200 yards shot a fist sized group.
Further zero failures in the 200 rounds shot that day.
Id say that's respectable.

>>34155263
>more expensive by unit cost
>harder to train with

M16s and M4s are grunt designed from the ground up. They aren't designed to be high performance service rifles.

If they wanted that then they'd just mass issue M27 IARs for the same price as 550s and have vastly superior 5.56 platforms.

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>>34165065
In the words of the US president Donald J Trump: Wrong.

>>34165477
>harder to train with
Why?

>>34155830
Hello Gaddafi, thought you were dead?

>>34159905
GP90 has a higher bullet weight of 4.1g, compared to sub-4g of most 5.56mm ammunition

>>34165642
Green tip is 4.01gr and pretty fucking common, mang. Not that M885 manufacturers produce anywhere near Swiss tolerances.

Probably have to go to rear drawn OTM bullets for that. Which I assume the Swiss have started doing, right?

>>34165656
I have no idea how bullets are actually manufactured. I know the basic layers, but that's it.

>>34160752
Swiss are literally 70% of their country's population. The rest are Albanians and few niggers.

Plus they're constantly having referendums on compulsory mixed-race breeding, in 2013 5% of the population wanted it and they repeated it in 2015 - with 25% voters wanting this. They're gonna repeat it this year, polls say it'll be ~40% for.

America will have white majority for far longer than Switzerland.

>>34165671
No worries, I just wondered if the Swiss had began issuing Open Tip Match in addition to GP90. Seems like a thing a country so infatuated with marksmanship would do.

>>34165677
>compulsory mixed-race breeding

Oh yes, this seems legit.

>>34165595

Maintenance.

AR maintenance is nice and simple that 30 minutes training results in a perfectly clean rifle.

Most non-AR/AKs require more training.

There's a story from a US officer visiting a UK training camp who comments on how fucking hard the SA80A2s were to clean and rebuild and how the average intelligence of the basic infantryman must be way higher.

Obviously any ground pounder in any nation is clinically retarded so there's benefits in making shit easier to clean but regardless of opinions, it does generally affect rifle performance but with service rifles, it matters little between platforms, hence why most armies are looking at AR platforms tho the US move to 6.5/7.62 seems to have stalled that for the most part.

>>34155263
>Prove me wrong /k/.

No longer being produced.

>>34155263
>More accurate than any AR15 you can buy
Except it's not
>More sturdy than any AR15 you can buy
Except it's not
>More reliable than any AR15 you can buy
Except it's not
>More ergonomic than any AR15 you can buy
Except it's not

>>34165773
Says everything.
Also that the company that produced them has just 12 employees.

>>34165477
>If they wanted that then they'd just mass issue M27 IARs for the same price as 550s and have vastly superior 5.56 platforms.

lmao. Someone's a paid shill for that particuylar gun mfg

>>34165642
It's still not a new cartridge.

>>34165750
The Stgw 90 is easier to maintain.

>never been fired in anger

cool tell me more

>>34159936
You're just mad that you're not American. Have fun in whatever little shithole country you live in.

>>34165750
>There's a story from a US officer visiting a UK training camp who comments on how fucking hard the SA80A2s were to clean and rebuild and how the average intelligence of the basic infantryman must be way higher.

I have no idea how anyone came to that conclusion. SA80 had its faults but it's not a particularly hard weapon to strip or clean. There's nothing in it that would make it take longer than cleaning an AR, either in field or for inspection.

>>34165988
You are such a fuckin' moron.

>>34158328
Wew lad
.5-1 MOA at 300m is roughly a 2-3 inch group

>>34165998
Is that literally the best you can do?

>>34166014
Are you literally too retarded to realize I'm American?

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>>34158138
>Milspec vs milspec
Someone who finally gets this.

Everyone goes on about how their civ spec AKs shoot straight, and how reliable their AR is but anyone who's shot mil spec with Fun switches knows how shite they are.

I'd argue if you can procure rifles for hundreds of thousands of troops and you can't upgrade for 30 years i'd easily say go for Aug or Sig. Mind you some f those Sig 516 or DD AR15s are pretty dece.

>>34166022
Absolutely.

Here in Chile we changed it for the galil ace , we did the right thing or we got jewed

>>34165466
Thats not the entire gun though. Im saying I wouldnt trust any complete $400 semi auto

>>34155263
>It's the ultimate service rifle
Except this one isn't a service rifle. It's a PE90 Black Special

>>34160752
Last panel is so true

>>34158028
this thing is fucking heavy and long i sconsider this as a sniper rifle also i saw a kit that make it looklike a fucking anti-material rilfe

>>34158539
>There are several rifles currently in use by the world's premier special forces and counter-terrorism units and as good as it is, it isn't one of them.
Mate your SWAT is using it

>>34160475
That dog doesn't know how to fetch very well

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>>34165677
>Plus they're constantly having referendums on compulsory mixed-race breeding
Wut

>>34166458
Well it is registered as a sniper/precision type rifle

>>34166087
the Galil Ace is nowhere near as good of a gun as the original Galil. also, jews.

>>34166504
holy shit i didn't knew that

>>34165603
wut?

>>34166475
Using Sigs as marksmans rifles was a bit of a 90s police meme that a bunch of larger better funded PDs got in on, but that hasn't been true nearly 20 years. Nowadays its all ARs and the same old R700s.

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>>34166518
Now you do.

Also pic related is a modern version of it

>>34155263
t. baiting faggot who likely never touched either

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>>34166536
oh lord

I absolutely want one and im gonna suppress it. LGS had one for 1600 a while back, wonder if its still there. Not sure if it was a swiss preban or not, but it sure was sexy.

>>34166509
What suffers on the Ace?

>>34166593
Probably not a pre-ban one with that ridiculously low price

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>>34166593
>>34166696
>LGS has an actual 550
> $40,000 iirc
>chat with counter dude
>I'm the only one who has recognized most folks are just shocked by the price
>those fuckers got it at an estate sale

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>>34155263
I have one. It's ok and I love it, but my ARs are far more practical and lightweight..

>>34162350
>maneuver warfare.

TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO

>>34165677
Which /pol/ thread do you have that bullshit from?

>>34165750
A militia army grunt is, on average, much smarter than a professional army one.

>>34165773
Except it is. Swiss Arms still makes them and sells plenty of the shorter variants to spec ops and LE around the world.

>>34161161
Two minutes in they've already fucked up twice. We speak four languages, not three, and the lady at 1:45 specifically says the guns could still be fired, but the subtitles make it sound like they're deactivated.

Fucking AJ, seriously.

>>34166448
It's the same shit minus select fire and green paint.

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>>34165773
Then I guess I bought one of the factory only in my dreams

Keep being delusional

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Theyre fucking dope amazing service rifles. 10/10 would arm a militia or regular forces with -- but Id rather operate with something lighter.

If I had to dispatch a an armed terrorist in my neighborhood Id probably grab my Mini-14 before my SIG just because its lighter and moves quicker.

>>34155263
Has anyone in this thread even used a Swiss arms? It doesnt seem like it at all

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>>34167702

>>34167910

Yes.
A few of us own real ones.

There are at least 5000 in circulation in Canada.

Seems like not many.
We have 2 000 000 licensed gun owners.

Swiss Arms would be the 1% of guns due to price. They go for $4200 new.

>>34155263
Literally the only argument most of have is:
Its expensive
Its heavy
Maybe stop being poor and weak?

>>34167910
>used a Swiss arms?
What does that even mean

>>34167934
I'd own one but i bought a valmet instead, then traded it for a select fire valmet. But this thread really made me want one

>>34167941
Swiss arms is the manufacturer of the rifle, you massive spanner

>>34167986
First, it's SwissArms AG
Second, the point was that your sentence doesn't mean anything
And third, I own two

>>34167910
I have two, they're great. Stop crying.

>>34168004
First, AG is the German word for Ltd., you pillock, it's not part of the company name.

Second, that wasn't me, and it makes perfect sense. An actual Swiss Arms as opposed to the crap SIG USA pushes out for retarded clapistanians who want the SG series of rifles but can't have them because of their retarded import laws.

Third, prove it. If you actually have CH made SG series of rifles, good on you, that means that just your reading comprehension is fucked and not your taste in rifles. If you mean you have SIG USA made shite, then you might as well off yourself.

>>34168004

I think the manufacturer is SAN Swiss Arms

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>>34155263
Forgot the most important part
>cute

>>34168075
Not him, but SAN stands for Swiss Arms Neuhausen.

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>>34168068
>it's not part of the company name
Except it is. Look at the English version of their website

>and it makes perfect sense.
The sentence, as it is written, is flawed. It implies "Swiss arms" is a thing when it's a manufacturer

>Third, prove it.
There

>>34168109
Exact

>>34168134
Not him, but I'm Swiss and can confirm AG is not part of the name of the company, just the legal additive. Also, it's pretty common to call things by their brand ("I have a Colt", "I drive a Jeep") and you're being a bit of a cunt.

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>>34158028
Amen.

>>34168134
>Except it is. Look at the English version of their website
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktiengesellschaft
You massive bellend.

>The sentence, as it is written, is flawed. It implies "Swiss arms" is a thing when it's a manufacturer
It is a fucking thing. It's the manufacturer, the implication is perfectly clear.
>has anyone here shot a daniel defense? (DD as opposed to just any fucking AR)
>has anyone here driven a Mercedes? (Mercedes-Benz, as opposed to just any fucking car)
Idiot.

>There
Good. That means just your reading comprehension is fucked.

>>34167702
why the heck did you remove the integrated bipod?

>>34155263
Why so much hate for who likes what ?
Why cant we just along and be glad we dont actually have to shoot each other with our guns ?

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>>34166536

>>34168199
>Why cant we just along and be glad we dont actually have to shoot each other with our guns ?
Because that's the sad part

>>34165773
>No longer being produced.

In your dreams.

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>>34168211
I am really scared one day someone will start knock knock knocking on my door and the first IRL look I will have on M4 will be down the barrel.

>>34168243
pussy

>>34161076
you. I like you.

>>34168309
Yeah, I guess it cant be helped.
But look on the otber side, if you stand nexr to me, you will look even sharper !

>>34168179

Because its useless.
Its meant to keep your barrel out of the snow.
Youre not meant to shoot off it. It puts pressure on the barrel and moves your point of impact.

>>34168540
>the thing that was specifically manufactured for shooting off of is not meant for shooting off of

Anon, are you high?

>>34168559
He may be high but I am quite tipsy and very happy :)

>>34158941
Pfff you belive what the seargent said to you.... Ruag is producing 5.56 just the military label is roundet to one number after the . So its 5.6... if you dont belive get yourself some mesuring tool and you will see

>>34155263
> gun you can't even buy
> ultimate anything

>>34168678
Anon, the ":^)" means he's joking. There's no need to get your jimmies rustled.

>>34155263
>>More ergonomic than any AR15 you can buy
I wouldn't say that

>>34168004
>>34168134
>>34168167
You're both wrong guys. The complete and official name of the company is SAN Swiss Arms AG

>>34161114
Kill yourself tripfagging nigger

>>34168835
No it's not, you tit, just like BAE Systems is not "BAE Systems plc", because the plc suffix is just a piece of legal bullshit they have to tack on there.

>>34166409
I bought a lower for 30$ and a lower complete parts kit for 60. This all went on my original rifle but for all intents and purposes that rifle could have been built for 420$.

>>34162350
The Swiss rely on maneuvre warfare for their artillery

And they rely on a military trained population

And they rely on a useful rifle

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>>34155263
im here for the proofs

>>34166475
>Your swat
No, my local SWAT uses short ARs.

>>34158328
Cool. My AR can hit an 8" plate at 300 too

>>34167959
>I'd own one but i bought a valmet instead, then traded it for a select fire valmet.
Where the fuck you live?

>>34158328
So can a $400 bushmaster.

>>34155263
They weighed a fricken ton, I was never any where where the extra range/pen made a difference and that dammed roller bolt was a pain in the ass to clean.

It was a 1.5 MOA rifle for me