7.62x39

>>34152174
It's good

within 200 yards it's the best intermediate cartridge for anything.

>>34152174
>Is the AK-47 the only reason it's popular or does it have significant merit on its own?
The cartridge was designed for the SKS first and is still in use with some militaries' service rifles today (Finland, various commies and niggers) despite Russia inventing 5.45x39 afterwards. It's pretty darn good at its intended role of an intermediate cartridge out to 2-300 yards.

It will likely exist as long as guns using modern style metallic cartridges are made.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/29/6-reasons-ak-47-reliable-rifle-world-guide-kalashnikovs-magic-aspiring-gun-designers-part/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/30/6-reasons-ak-47-reliable-rifle-world-guide-kalashnikovs-magic-aspiring-gun-designers-part-ii/

It's a perfect match for the AK

>>34152209
Pretty sure it was designed for the RPD first (1943 vs 1944)

>>34152174
It's a FAT cartridge

>>34152275
THICC

>>34152174
I think I can find 40 rounds locally for less than $10 making it as cheap or cheaper than 9mm. That makes it a lot more fun to shoot overshadowing any possible performance difference with other intermediate rounds.

>>34152293
XTRA

>>34152174
Its shit.
Although unlike the 223, it isn't designed to wound so it is inferior in wartime applications. Which is why they moved to 545
Its good for poor people which is why people like >>34152185
>>34152202
>>34152209
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>>34152351
Like it

>>34152465
You'd have had me with that bait if not for the whole wounding meme. Good try though.

>>34152465
Prove it.

>>34152174
>>34152174
similar ballistics to a 30-30,its a nice stopper+soviet surplus

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I wish I'd picked up a Sig 556xi instead of an AK, because I'd like a as accurate a gun as possible to see if one of these could make it through a hog shoulder at 150m. I also hate to admit it, but wound tracks on the fat old soviet look better than my pet 65gr 5.56 loads.

>>34152174

>What does /k/ think of the 7.62x39 cartridge?

I find it to be the happy medium. Note that I am a fucking casual that doesn't want to waste money on cartridges like creedmoor, grendel, .270/etc. Winchester, and so on. Of the calibers I've used (5.56, x39, x54R, .308, 8mm Mauser, etc), I've found that 7.62x39 packs the best punch with the least amount of recoil, all while flying REALLY flat so that aiming anywhere between 25-150 meters is a breeze.

>>34152465
Don't ever quote the entire thread you dumb fuck.

>>34152621
> all while flying REALLY flat so that aiming anywhere between 25-150 meters is a breeze

Whoa. Just out of curiosity, what range do you have your rifle zero'd for?

>>34152659

Got a SKS that I zeroed in at 50 yards, but I noticed that it hit just fine at 25 and 100 alike without having to use the sight increments.

I've found that x39 isn't overly picky but range, unlike .308 and 5.56 for example.

>>34152621
Wolf makes 25cpr steel case Grendel now.

>>34152658
How new are you dummy?

>>34152174
>evolving battlefield
you sound like a douchebag

>>34152566
I will kill you and eat your babbies ak is fine but in the end were all trash were all supterfuge

>>34152174
I fucking love 7.62x39

>not rimmed
>cheap as fuck
>mostly non-corrosive
>performs good out of short barrels


It's the perfect close to intermediate range plinking cartridge. It's basically the .22lr of centerfire.

>>34152174
Better than WEAKASS 5.56 garbage. 5.56 can't even kill Hajiis.

>>34152202
Wut, a 5.56 > 200 yards with a 20" barrel will fuck your shit sideways, while your comblock shit will just punch a clean hole.

It's a damned fine cartridge for its intended use.
Good wound channel, penetrates well.
It's a rainbow past 300 but the sights on the rifles that use it take about .5 seconds to adjust for longer range.

>>34152174
Works really well with cheap soft points or some of the not as cheap hunting rounds like Hornady sst and the more Gucci stuff. Ball penetrates cover better than 5.45 or 5.56 but doesn't do quite as well when it hits fleshy bits. Its best quality is its price. I like it.

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>>34152465

>tripsfag

>>34152688

>wolf makes cheap Grendel
>wolf makes cheap 303 British
>wolf makes fucking everything except goddamn 8mm Mauser

What is your fucking problem Wolf? Why do you hate me and the caliber I want you to produce?

>>34152683
Weird. I generally use 200y zeros for my rifles. 5.56 and .308 just zip on by with 1.5" high at 100yards, but I get closer to 2.75" with 7.62x39.

Caress your SKS. Maybe it was blessed by Baba Yaga or something.

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>>34152723
Killed a bunch of Mexican drug dealers though.

>>34152174
Excellent intermediate caliber for urban and woodland combat. Has the added benefit of being a decent hunting round.

>>34152813

Granted I'm not all that accurate, and I'm aiming at a 8" gong. That may be why I'm not having much trouble with it. I'm sure I could adjust the rear sight though to be more on target if I were missing.

>>34152812
Prvi Partizan makes everything under the fucking sun and its pretty good from from what I've heard.

>>34152174
It's one of if not the best active rounds currently and has been since the 40s.

>>34152858

>PPU
>How to underload a cartridge: the brand

Last I saw of their 8mm Mauser, it was getting something like 1900FPS. I've hit 3000FPS with Turk surplus.

It's good for short barrels, inferior to 5.56 or 5.45 in any other application.

>>34152711
> Chin weld for an optic
> Warsaw stock too short to shoot prone
> Barrel strings after 3 rounds

It could use some updates, which I guess they did with the AK12, but I can't have one of those.

>>34152885
PPU's market niche is loadings for legacy firearms that won't grenade them. Their .30-06 is Garand rated, for example. I suspect they test for pre-1898 Mausers.

>>34152465
>Its shit

It ain't. The reason the Russians switched to 20 cal rounds is to save weight and get a flatter shooting trajectory. Sure 20 cals shoot flatter, but at the range where an AK round starts to arc, they're ineffective. 7.62x39 may drop at 300m+ but a 5.56 and 5.45 is a glorified .22lr at that range. Their effectiveness on target also depends greatly on how unstable they are. One is designed to break apart inside the target and the other is designed to deflect and take another path. That's why they're so susceptible to doing that in the air before they even reach their target. 7.62x39 doesn't give a fuck about wind, twigs, trees, windshields, or drywall. True to the 30 cal philosophy it just fucks anything in its path. It also doesn't need special barrel length, twist rates, and bullet grains to perform well, and the guns that shoot it aren't limited to more costly clean brass ammo.

>>34152351
>40rds for $10
How is 9mm more expensive? Your 9mm would have to be $12 a box or more. I can get it locally for less than 8.

>>34152174
It is the cheapest center fire round I can buy, it goes bang and will reket any fascist or durr within 200 yards.
It's perfect.

>>34152465
I was going to reply
>hunter
Oh faggit

>>34152901
Agreed, I use their 10mm for fun load brass.

>>34152701
Apparently as new as I would be conceived, it would be older than you, faggot.

>>34152918
You're fucking retarded, 5mm rekt your fat slow round, it was so bad the Czech had to redesign it so it wouldn't ice pick dudes.

>>34152958
Antifa plz.

>>34152885
Yeah, PPU stuff isn't very strong. It's basically affordable ammo for plinking.

But, being Serb-made, there are squibs here and there.

>>34153148
The concept of squibs terrify me. Assuming you're shooting semi-auto, do you hear it? As in there's a way to tell when you're about to destroy your barrel?

>>34152772
newfag stop posting

>>34152732

The narrow wound channel thing only happens with ammo that has mild steel core with mild steel jacket - such as ex Warsaw Pact surplus. Terminal ballistics wise for example Finnish and ex Yugo ammo with their lead core bullets are a totally different animal.

>>34152812

Quality-wise Wolf is shit. If you want cheap ammo made for commercial market try to get Barnaul or Tula.

>>34153292
Tula is also shitty. Bought a 50 pack and three of the cartridges had bullets set back too far into the case.

>>34153318
It was ok earlier - either quality has declined or a bad batch?

Commercial Sellier & Bellot is otherwise very nice, but bullets tend to be too lightly crimped, so one has to re-crimp them for ammo to work reliably.

>>34152174
Best cqc round thats widely available

>>34153148
Never had a PPU misfire despite thousands of rounds across 7mm Mauser, 303 Brit, and 8mm mauser.
Bless PPU.

>>34152174
It's fun and I like it. I also make it do lolidom fetishes with x54R in my room at night

>>34153537
>B-but Mosin-senpai, I eject from there!
>Nyet of today you do not tovarisch.

>>34153489
I've heard of quite a few for their .357 Magnum ammo. Have yet to try myself though.

Best pistol and sbr in 7.62x39?

Please rape my face

>>34153652
Is it rape if you say please?

>>34152772
Newfags can't tell the difference between tripfags and namefags

>>34153665
Not if you also fuck me in the ass.

It gives me a raging Jew boner but then I go shoot some rabbits with a .22 and my roaring chubby dies down. It's cheap, but I don't need it, I have my 336 in 30/30 for all things bush.

>>34152174
>Is the AK-47 the only reason it's popular or does it have significant merit on its own?

AK(M) had a fuck ton of bullets compared to NATO counterparts, only two nations made the bullets for the alliance while more than 5 nations made Combloc for the rest of the world. Otherwise other than a low upkeep, it had a pretty low cost for any impoverished nation.

>>34152174
It has only two drawbacks:
1. Too slow for bullet expansion except with very soft bullets.
2. Can't be used with high sectional density bullets.

>>34153212
Well it would sound quieter and have less recoil and there may not be enough pressure to even cycle your next round.

One of the best intermediate cartridges in the world with modern ammunition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFkLAgGy6w&spfreload=10

>>34152174
It's good. Does the job when they're close.

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>>34152772

>>34153292
wolf is better than tula

>>34152465
Why is Hunter such a fag?

>>34153085
no ur retarded. the czechs werent allowed to use hollowpoints which i am so there's no need to use a smaller cartridge designed to make ball ammo expand

>>34152351
>tfw bought out local Walmart's stock of 40 round boxes of Tula for around $60. The guy was even considerate enough to give me whatever boxes they had in the back of the store.

>>34152174
7.62x39:
21 cents, 1.8 ft-lbs recoil, 2100J of energy, 260 yards in .4 seconds, 16 grams a cartridge.
5.56x45:
29 cents, 1.3 ft-lbs recoil, 1800J of energy, 325 yards in .4 seconds, 12 grams a cartridge.

Compared to 5.56, I think it's a little worse for combat, but not by much. Beyond 50 yards it has better energy than 30-30, and those are used to hunt black bears, so I think 7.62x39 makes sense as a light hunting round.

>>34157050
Given this perspective, what is the next step sort of round? Medium hunting.

>>34157050
>measuring recoil in torque, not newtons

I LOVE THE 7.62×39...IT INTIMIDATES EVERYONE WHO IS AT THE OTHER END OF THE GUN BARREL....STILL....AFTER ...70 YEARS......

>>34152465

I agree with Hunter on this one.

Its lackluster on ballistics, its lackluster on damage, its got the same penetration on armor as .223 does - only thing its got going for it is barrier penetration but if you had a heavier grain bullet in there it would do noticeably better for that as well

Its pretty much like being shot with a .357 magnum. Except yknow, at a distance. Despite being stronger it just kinda pokes a hole through.

A slightly longer 7.62 Tokarev with as much firepower as a .30 carbine would just about fulfill the same objectives as this cartridge.

And a narrower 6.5mm version (hint) would not only cause more wounding it would have significantly better range.

RPD is an excellent weapon, the best weapon in Black Ops II actually. And maybe the 7.62x39 should have just stayed in use with that.

>>34158936
sorry, that was supposed to be lb-sec.

>>34158927
I suppose medium would be a typical "full power" cartridge like .308.
light would be about 2lb-sec (7.62x39, .243win)
medium would be about 3lb-sec (.308, 7.62x54R)
heavy would be around 4lb-sec (.338 Lapua, magnum 12 gauge slug)

>>34152174
Best dedicated close quarters cartridge with modern bullet designs. Better wounding, intermediate barrier penetration, post barrier performance, and short barreled performance than 5.56. Only drawback is relative lack of range.

>>34154450
>too slow to expand with very soft bullets
tbqh that sounds like complete BS to me, do you have any sources on that?

>>34159719
0/10

>>34159719
>6.5mm 7.62x39
That's literally 6.5 Grendel.

>>34152812

Wolf doesn't make ammo. They import and put their name on it. Does anyone make cheap 8mm?

>>34152732
>has never fired anything but his dad's AR, once, the post.

I shoot it out of a sig 556rxi I love the round it's cheap to shoot and does well at the ranges I fire at.

7.62x39 or 5.56 for the CZ 527? Looking at them, but can't decide which caliber I want...

Both are effective rounds in the hands of someone trained. It's 90% training. I'll set my AR and my AK on the bench and you go down range and wave when you feel safe. Otherwise shut up about ballistics most of you don't know what you're talking about.

>>34160915
I have a WASR 10/63, and 2 AR's.

>>34153277
Yes the M43 did that, the M67 would tumble sometimes.

>>34152465
Stop copying my name fakefag

>>34152918
>True to the 30 cal philosophy it just fucks anything in its path.
Except it doesnt. In its mil loads it either punches through or yaws much later than 5.45, which also had great penetration, because penetration and deflection arent the same. Oh, and 5.56 and 5.45 don't just tumble in flight until they go transonic you faglord

>>34153277
>Terminal ballistics wise for example Finnish and ex Yugo ammo with their lead core bullets are a totally different animal.
Same with golden tiger, yaws like crazy.

>>34152174
Its cheap and legal to hunt with in 'Burta
>>34152202
which is why this is my GF treestand gun
>>34152465
>Hunter 3-1
>Hunter
Cant hunt with .223 for big game in alot of places sonny.
>>34152732
Is this the new .22lr boucing meme?
>>34152812
If only cheap .303 was available in canuckistan.
>>34154357
Agree This is my personal "bush" gun as well.
>>34159427
name a cartridge that doesnt. Point a .22 at me im scurred.
>>34161634
my buddy has the CZ527 in 7.62x39. I couldnt justify the 1100 maplebuck price tag, which is why i bought the Zastava. Id recommend the .223 tbqh

>>34152174
imo:

556>=545>762

>>34166068
thank you for your opinion