/sgg/ Shotgun General

is that birdshot?

why didn't it penetrate so much?

Vepr 12

Vepr 12

Vepr 12

Vepr 12

>>34150907
went to finally break my noguns virginity at a local shop by picking up a 590A1, none on hand, and they can't order anymore because they're on back order.
fuck

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>>34150919
Because birdshot is absolutely abysmal at penetrating anything

I really hope none of you use it for self defense

>>34151039
That seems perfect for very painful home defense

i just bought a mossberg shockwave

how retarded am i?

>>34151077
Do you kick ass and chew bubble gum?

>>34151077
Genius, now put a shockwave brace on it.

>>34151056
A crackhead wouldn't even register that.

A home defense weapon shouldn't cause pain, it should cause death in a very efficient manner.

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>>34150907
>What is the best Shotgun for home defense?
mossberg 500
>What shotgun is the most fun to shoot?
A really short mossberg 500
>What shotgun is the most aesthetically pleasing?
Auto 5 or 1897
>What shotgun is on your wish list?
spas 12 and one of those cheap turkey ati imports.

>>34151056
Painful for when the guy on PCO rapes you and then burns your face off with a blowtorch.

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>>34151091
yes
>>34151102
no

i already have a mossberg 590, but i liked how compact this one is and it seems like itd be fun to shoot.

not everything in a collection has to serve a logical purpose

>>34151117
PCP*

>>34150907
coach gun for shits and giggles
Marine Magnum
3 barreled Johann Fanzoj custom

I have like 3 shells of No.8 birdshot followed by some 000 Buck if that doesn't stop them. Alternatively I have my pistols and rifles.

>>34151306
>multi loading your shotgun
Why do you retards do this? If you have to point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger, fucking load it with some nasty shit.

>>34151358
Because I'd rather not have to blow a hole through the entire fucking house and hit someone sleeping in the next room if I can help it

>>34151371
don't miss?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?/1/1?!!?!?1/1?!?!

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>>34151371
So load #4 buck in it like everyone else.

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>>34151376
easier said than done friendo

>>34151371
Buckshot doesnt do that you tard.
Real life isnt movies.

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Can anybody recommend any solid double barrel shotguns. I like side by sides and o/u. I just don't know too many models or good companies or where I could find any. Any ideas?

>>34151388
Paperthin walls bro.

>>34151393
Stoeger or however you spell it makes pretty good ones that are reasonably priced

>>34151393
Whats your price range? You want ejectors or extractors? What gauge? What barrel length?

>>34151393

>Stoeger double defense

Extractors are dildos IMO but still decent enough

>>34151039
>>34150907
>>34151104
Eww. This is why you don't do drugs, kids. Could you imagine being so whacked out that you can't register that happening to your body?

>>34151117
cook cook?

>>34151410
Price range isn't solid set because it's more of a goal. Don't care about length I only have one shotgun right now at 28" barrel or ejectors. 12 ga is what I'm looking for.

I have an auto 5 and a moss 500.

For the 500 i have a18" and 26" trap barrel.

Saving up for a cheap 28/410 turkish o/u two barrel combo set. And a unbarrel trap gun from FabArms .

Eventually i will by a K8p

>>34151056

Very painful home defense might send a Tyrone running, but won't stop you from getting sued

As fucked up as it is, it's the world we live in today, where "victims" who are injured during break ins can sue, depending on your state and judge

Dead men tell no tales. 12 gauge No 4 buckshot or larger

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>>34150907
>best Shotgun for home defense?
dunno
>most fun to shoot?
s/s & pump-actions in general
reloading a s/s is joyous, and the manual action of a pumpgun is fun to work with
>most aesthetically pleasing?
cant decide, too many good looking guns
>on your wish list?
more than one
vepr, benelli m-2, mossberg 930

>>34150923
pffft heh

>>34150976
pic is mine, great fun, never a mechanical issue

>>34151395

Well that's a choice you have to make. Want to own a firearm to defend yourself/loved ones? Get good or don't own a gun. At the very least consider what's behind every door frame in your house. I've seen and read so many things on which calibers do or don't penetrate walls and it varies so wildly on what a house is made of. There's endless variables between the angle of where you are when you shoot, where the intruder is in the house, you'd be better to plan on dropping an intruder than penetrating walls, especially since projectiles can change their path wildly through the wall depending on whether or not there's a beam, or wiring, or a/c drain, or any other random thing regarding house building that you can't plan for

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C..can I play?

>>34151917
Wouldn't slugs work better?

>>34150907
I want a VEPR 12 for home defense and also because it is fucking sexy but home defense is basically its only application

>ineligible for limited tactical 3 gun
>cant really shoot clays with it
>cant really shoot ducks with it
>i guess you could shoot slugs at deer with it
>not much you can do at a range besides fill shit with buckshot which gets old fast i imagine

>>34151981
theyre great for just fucking shit up if you have a good place to do it. shotguns in general are just awesome at that.

>>34151981
Clays with a vepr I'm sure is fine. I shoot clays all the time with my 18.5" Benelli M4. I mean it's not optimal but it's passable.
Also if you have a range that permits rapid fire shooting buckshot at paper never gets old.

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>>34151974
>3 of them
you're a memelord
cool guns though

>>34152060
thanks, i specialize in memeguns

>>34152036
I haven't shot clays in a while but back when I did all the clay ranges were full of old piece of shit fudds who would sperg out about anyone who wasn't using an O/U. I don't want them to whine that I'm using a baby killing shotgun every time I go to the range

>>34151977

More holes tends to equal more blood loss

>>34151977

Slugs would work better than birdshot, yes. In fact a well placed slug would be best. I'm just saying, #4 buckshot at MINIMUM

I was just pointing out the other anon's assertion that "perfect for very painful home defense" isn't as ideal as "deadly for home defense"

>>34151306
#8 is going to be useless on anything other than a pigeon. Use #4 minimum.

Tell me about the mav88

>>34152258
its a mexican mossberg.

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>>34152258
comparable to the 500 in form
..some differences like the safety location & things like that
a standard, usable shotgun that can be had for $200 or less, out-of-the-box

>>34150907
another pic just because

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Old and new look beautiful together. For anyone wondering, the KSG is actually bretty nice. Kel-tec really fixed all the issues with the first gen KSG and made it into both a fun range toy and a top-tier defense gun. No failures or fuck-ups in any shells I tossed in, including mini-shells.

>>34150907

Home Defense: Short 12-gauge pump with 2-3/4" buck-shot

Most Fun: 3-1/2" 12 gauge slugs

Most aesthetically pleasing: Italian Over-Unders

Wish list: See above.

>>34153232
This brings up a nice question.

Are we allowed to make new slamfire designs?
Apparently the Chinese clones of the 1897 are all still slamfire, so those are apparently okay by the ATF.
What about a KSG trigger pack?
A Mossberg trigger pack?
A Remingfudd 870 trigger pack?

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>>34153261
>>34153232
>Slamfire Ksg magdump with mini shells
Jesus Christ

I would get a pistol grip stockless or folding stock Remington 870 for home defense.
Aesthetics: SPAS-12

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check the filename senpai i just got a bunch of new shotguns yo

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>>34150907
>What shotgun is the most aesthetic

>>34152258
It's excellent. I got one so I could treat it rough, and it holds up well so far. Action is pretty smooth after a few hundred, but it has a way to go before it's butter.

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When did /k/ become such a meme board? I can't believe all these noguns faggots that think #8 birdshot won't penetrate. A #8 load with a modified choke can ABSOLUTELY be lethal at realistic home defense distances (read: usually within 10'). I'm not saying to use #8, I use #4 for home defense, but to say something like #8 would be completely useless in this situation is fucking retarded.

>>34151039
I coulda swore that was rock salt what made those wounds.

>>34151056
Make sure when you shoot the guy in your house you are the only one left saying I was afraid for family/me being hurt/killed/raped by the home intruder when it's all over.

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>>34153415
>feed problems: the shotgun
Nah.

Truth of the matter is, the Mossberg 500 is the perfect shotgun. This is written as foretold by the Gods and cannot be argued against.

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>>34150907
My 500 is soft striking right after getting back from being serviced by mossberg for issues with the safety :(

Now the beretta is gonna be all alone

>>34150907
What is the best Shotgun for home defense?
A reliable 18inch barrel with stock s/s o/u pump semi
What shotgun is the most fun to shoot?
For me its pumps
What shotgun is the most aesthetically pleasing?
Their are some sexy OU/SS duck guns
But a mossy 590 with wood furniture is also pretty sexy
What shotgun is on your wish list?
Mossy 930

>>34154012

>calguns

kill yourself

>>34151426
Nah, some civvie cut that guys head off

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My recent acquisition. This ones marked for 1952 manufacturing date.

>>34153656
If you are using a shotgun for people and not using 00 buck you are doing it wrong.

>>34150907

>What is the best Shotgun for home defense?
12g 500, short barrel, short stock. Confetti round in the chamber- as preacheth the dugan

>What shotgun is the most fun to shoot?

Franchi 48al- Light, reliable, eats anything put in it, looks good too. Great field gun and that long recoil action feels so damn good

>What shotgun is the most aesthetically pleasing?

Browning Auto 5 with that big sexy muzzle brake

What shotgun is on your wish list?
Probably a new build auto 5,

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>>34153127
Why the rubber bands tied on the loops of the shell saddle?

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Is it normal for a Mossy 500 to get these marks in the receiver?

I'm pretty sure they're caused by the locking lug on the bolt hitting the receiver there when I go to chamber a round from a position where the bolt wasn't all the way back. I store the gun with the action half open so I can see the shell in there but not have it chambered.

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>>34151393
If you're in Europe you should be able to find Brnos pretty much everywhere. If you're in Scandinavia specifically then pretty much every gun store will have a bunch of Husqvarna SxS for a pittance.

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>>34155468
>not listing the benelli m4 as the best home defense shotgun

fucking pleb

>>34153232
Is that a real 1897 or a repro? It's in gorgeous shape if it's an original.

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>>34151917
>>34150907
Look, its 2am. You hear a rattling at your front door. It goes quiet, so you and your best bro go back to sleep.

Two minutes later the back door, and it goes quiet, you are both on alert now. Then CRASH, your window is smashed out. Thankfully you were both ready for this moment. Having already been sleeping in your tactical dandie suit you slap on your straw fair hat and grab the punt gun from under your California king.

Your best friend and live in life partner grabs the mid section of the self defense fire arm, and you both proceed to ambulate around the house in tactical fashion clearing rooms. Eventually, posting up and knocking down several pictures with the end of the barrel and light fixtures you see him in the dark. The invader. He is aware of your presence, but doesn't know what to make as your friend rounds the corner with a piece of plumbing pipe on his shoulder. He barely registers the nice cut of his clothes as you get the verbal command to fire from around the corner.

BOOM. You always planned to install a bay window in this room anyway, and now most of the work is done. Your neighbors also wanted a bay window. The would be criminal now exists as a memory, fine spray of red mist, and pair of slightly stolen air jordens.

>2017, not using home defense punt gun with two man battle buddy concept.

>>34156467
for extra retention
the plain elastic wasn't holding shells tightly

>>34156562
more pics?
can't see it clearly

>>34156752
>slightly stolen air jordens
haaaaaaaaaaaa

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>>34150907
needs some od

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>>34156946
The same kinda marks are on my other mossberg too. I looked it up and it seems its a common complaint.

>>34150907

>Hd 14" 870
>Well used 870
>Ithaca model 37
>14" 870 stakeout

>>34157018
>>34156562
no, thats definitely not normal
have a 500 & 590a1
no such occurrence in my guns, interesting

you might be able to hit up mossberg for a new gun

>>34157525
It hasn't interfered with their function at all, and I see a bunch of other people with the same thing now that I googled it. I guess if it causes any problems I'll give Mossberg a call but until then I won't worry about it.

>>34157018
I have the same marks on my maverick88
I think its from the back upper corner of the bolt digging into the reciever.
After you pump it and it locks, you can pull back on the pump and see the bolt rock back slightly and put pressure where the marks are.

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>>34150907
>What is the best Shotgun for home defense?
vepr12
>What shotgun is the most fun to shoot?
vepr12
>What shotgun is the most aesthetically pleasing?
vepr12, just wish they'd remove the top rail on the dust cover
>What shotgun is on your wish list?
A 22lr smoothbore. That 22lr birdshot is great, if you have the right gun.
The pattern at 10-20 yards is about equal to the pattern at 2 inches through a rifled barrel. All but pointless to ever buy it for anything else.

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>>34157764
post patterns

>>34157764
>>34150923
lol

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>>34157814

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>>34157814
was pic at ~15yds

>>34157723
Yeah thats it. The lifter moves up a tiny amount right then too.

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>>34157764
>>34157951
taken at 10 yards

>>34154536
looks good

that a muzzle break?

>>34158066
It's a Cutts/Lyman compensator with a cylinder bore choke. You can twist on chokes to the end of the compensator.

>>34158258
thats cool

>>34156720
I'm fairly sure it's a repro. It's got an 800,000 SN

>>34150907
Man some anon recommend paul harrel's(or whatever the fuck his name is)video about why shotguns don't suck for HD and i gotta say i was disappointed.

Dude bitches and moans about how there's multiple kinds of buckshot for like 5 minutes because somebody somewhere said that shotguns with 00 penetrate through common building materials too much and that 5.56 caliber rifles will tend to penetrate less.

Then the motherfucker has the gall to use only one variety of unnamed 5.56 ammo for his comparison to a shotgun with #4buck(doesnt reliably meet FBI standards) and "tests" it against some soda bottles afterwards to show how lethal it is...

>>34158369
>"tests" it against some soda bottles afterwards to show how lethal it is...
I thought soda bottles were the fbi standard used to replicate real flesh though.

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My next trap set.


Retail is about $6,000 not as pretty as the K80 but $9,000 cheaper.

>>34158466
really high vent ribs always looked cool to me
wood looks great too

>>34158501
Great for trap. Not so much for skeet.

>>34156720
>>34158339
Add on to my old post. Not a reproduction apparently. After doing some research, turns out the gun is a genuine Winchester made in 1931. I wish the fuck-knuckle I bought it from didn't saw the barrel down. Now I have to find a pro gunsmith to smooth over the damage.

>>34158278
Pretty intuitive way to change the choke. If you ever buy a shotgun with one of these just be ready to spend a bit more than usual on chokes if your looking on switching them out.

>>34158848
>>34158278

Also be aware you can't remove the compensator easily. They are normally silver brazed on by the factory so you'd have to cut down the barrel and deal with all that shit.

I'm looking to modify a Remmington my roommate got me. What's the best site to order parts(barrel, tube, stock, fore grip) from?

Hey guys, poorfag commiefornian here, the only guns I have to hunt with is a nugget and a 1897 Winchester Takedown Field Gun that has been bubba'd (barrel cut down), if I want to go wild pig hunting and was wondering whats the best kind of ammo to use on the oinkers. Also I've never been hunting before, any tips and advice would be appreciated

>>34154579

thanks for the tip mr. elite operator

>>34161104
I pig hunt in California as well. Slugs or 00 buck work well. The pigs have trash eyesight but their sense of smell is incredible. Something to keep in mind, wind direction plays a huge roll in whether or not you'll spook'em

>>34161542
Thanks man, what are some good spots to go hunting in? I know that its open season year round for hogs and that I need a license, I'm trying to find somewhere in or near the central valley/coast

>>34151381
This. If it good enough for the army it good enough for home defense.

>>34161558
The public land east of San Diego is my go too because I'm a bit south of you. You have more options though, there's good public land in Ventura as well as some private land in nothern LA/Bakersfield. Depending on how far north you are there's public land all over, google public pig hunting land California the .gov site is pretty solid. I've never hunted on private land because the prices they charge to take a pig are usually insane.

>>34161631
>the prices they charge to take a pig are usually insane.

Lol thats funny because my buddy in Texas actually gets paid by a farmer friend to go out and remove oink for him, I'll check out the website though. Another thing on hunting, I live in CA now but everything except my insurance and mailing address is out of state so out of state license and all that, will this be an issue or does it have unforeseen benefits?

>no castle laws
Okay, my plan is to have a rubber slug in the chamber and buckshot for all remaining shoots

>if I see them approaching through my garden (sleep on second floor) I shoot the first rubber shot to hurt/scare
>if they end up shooting back or if they are already kicking my doors or similar I cycle for buck straight away
What do you think about my master plan?

>>34161667
No idea about the out of state stuff, I'd imagine if your mailing address was in california it wouldn't be an issue, but I'm just guessing. I'm sure you could find some farmer with a pork problem that wouldn't mind you removing some. I've seen videos of people in Texas hunting swine in a helicopter with full fun AR setups.

>>34161779
maybe one day I'll move to free a state or live long enough to see SCOTUS long dick our state government

>>34150907


What is the best Shotgun for home defense?
Anything that holds more then one shell, and doesn't have a pistol grip.

What shotgun is the most fun to shoot?
Bolt action sears and robuck shotgun

What shotgun is the most aesthetically pleasing?
1887/1901 lever action

What shotgun is on your wish list?

1887 12 gauge made in china

>>34156752
You made a good post, but it wasn't rated as highly as it should have been. One could say it's rating was under what should have been expected.

>>34152098
That's why you show up with an old mossy 500 with some rattle can camo and outshoot them.
Shuts em right up.

>>34152143
#4 =/= #4 Buckshot

>>34151039
That looks not fun

>>34156752
That had me gasping.

>>34151056
Painful for you.

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Superior race home defense shotgun. An 870 clone bought from Walmart for 180 bucks ,
3 inch chamber, may tube carries 6 2-3/4 , and it just works.

>>34156752
Well put, sir. I bet the bay window is gorgeous.

>>34157764
>>34150923

Thanks for making me feel validated about my most recent purchase. FIME May rebate ftw.

Are the CSSpecs mags the best ones available for it? I've got a couple of them and they look pretty mean on the gun, but I also love the slav plastic a e s t h e t i c s of the stock Vepr mags and want some 8-rounders. Are they work the dinero?

>>34151917
I alternate #4 and 00 magnum loads in my Vepr's HD mags.

I figure that if I'm double-tapping Tyrone (pumpfags eternally BTFO), I have the wider spread of #4 to ensure a stun hit and the 00 to make the killshot.

>>34152036
Do you use chokes or is the babby-killing straight bore accurate enough for the clays?

You can currently get a Winchester SXP for ~$150. Are these decent shotguns that function/hold up alright? What cons do they have (assuming lack of aftermarket is probably one)?

Are they just a rebranded turkish shotgun ala the HS2000 becoming Springfield XD or are they a Winchester design that is manufactured in Turkey?

>>34152036
>>34166157
>Clays with a vepr I'm sure is fine.
I use my vepr12 for clays all the time, works absolutely fine. Lots of 23/25 rounds in both clay and skeet.

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>>34166157
And I do use chokes with my vepr12 when shooting trap, more optional with skeet.

>>34165482
>fidget spinner
You should see what kind of spread your Pardner gets on the roof of your mouth

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What O/U shotgun would yall recommend for quail/pheasant/grouse hunting? I was thinking along the lines of a Ruger Red Label, but I'm not sure how they compare to other shotguns on the market.

>>34165442
>That had me gasping.

Jesus you are a fag

>>34166323
>>34166315

Thanks for the info, lads

>>34166899
I think he meant "gaping"
Which, yeah, makes your comment still applicable

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>>34150907
from the AL meet some months ago

>>34151077
Not very, its a decent shotgun, mostly good for cqc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=W19UUlLgBR0

>>34166129
Vepr mags are better than csspecs.

>>34166129
Damn that's a good rebate, sucks about the non folding stock tho

Is there a nickel plated shotgun out there that actually has or accommodates a barrel long enough for sport? They all seem to be 18" or 20"

>>34166582
What price range?

Sub 1500, look for a used browning field gun, or go with a turkish.

Red labels are kind of all over the place. And the two piece welded reciver of the old ones sometime crack.

Older 12gage red lables ive seen have a lot of barrel to reciver gap.


And in the end they are very heavy for a bird gun.

My personal coice would be a 828U
Or a silver pigeon.

Checkout https://youtu.be/XMZw7sgGRng

They review a ton of shotguns

>>34166214
They are turkish built and imported by winchester.

The aftermarket is smaller than mossberg 500/590 or remingtom 870.

That said they are a fine pump gun. Personally i dont like the slide release or the safety.

>>34166582
They were great when they were in production, Ruger stopped making them two years ago.

Best bet for the money are the CZ o/u shotguns. They are produced in Turkey by Huglu but the steel in CZ steel and the plant is supervised by CZ.

Best bang for the buck hands down.

>>34154008
Just don't get the junior/short model, you will have feed problems with longer shells

>>34150923
I've own both the Utas and Kaltech and the Izhmash Saiga and can say with 100% confidence that the Vepr is the most trustworthy a far as lack of failures plus it shoots low brass out of the bos if you have concerns about travel distance.

>>34151039
#7 at less than 25 feet is almost always fetal and is guaranteed to incapacitate the target.

>>34174037
Lol, I don't know why im laffin so hard.

>>34151104
>>34151117

At HD distances the wounds produced by birdshot would be much, much more severe. You also presumably have an entire magazine of shells. Shoot em again if required. And, a goose load is not the same animal as some bargain clay round. People act like there's 00 and #9 and nothing in between.

Additionally, the "ATTACKERS ON PCP" meme needs to die, if someone is actually so fucked up that they can neither feel pain nor register the shock of being shot, the only things that will kill them immediately is by destroying the CNS. This can be accomplished with an unimpressive load.

Let's put it this way, birdshot is far from the best, but if you were to defend your home with it and you failed/died, I really doubt that it would be your limiting factor.

>>34151974
fucking richfag

yes i'm jealous and yes fuck you

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>Benelli M4 with the cool stock is LEO only
Did I get that right?
If so there goes my shotgun wishlist

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Answer to all questions is this thing I own right here:

Remington Auto-Loading Shotgun

Yeah don't be too jealous it's only a 112 year old shotgun that can still fuck someone's day up.

Serial number range in the 4000's. Sleek ergonomic design for quick sight picture. The gun is super long and some would say not good for tight quarters. I say that if you can't adjust your gun to fit in a tight space you're stupid. If your gun can't fit into your vehicle comfortably get a bigger vehicle. If you run out of shells you can beat someone to death with this thing all the while screaming "FOR MR. BROWNING'S IMMORTAL SOUL!"

It's fun to shoot because the spirit of JMB personally reduces the recoil of each shot and also you can fucking adjust the friction rings for the type of load you are using.

Just don't ever fucking use the safety. Don't. You'll have a bad fucking time if you aren't perfectly careful.

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I'm thinking about getting one of these before my state finds a way to ban them. Is it just a meme or are they reasonably good shotguns? It looks like a fun range gun, but I don't know anyone who has personally used one.

>>34151039
If you think for a second that that kind of damage wouldn't stop most people, you're insane. Imagine three shots of that back to back, especially to the face... #6 is one of my favorite loads.

>>34150907
Anyone know we're I could get a different take down screw for a Mossberg 500 at? stock one looks like shit.

>>34175201
Do you have any grasp of the realities of gunfight injuries?

People often have no idea they've been shot, even when the wound is serious.

Pain goes out the window in life or death situations

>>34153725
>Pump man full of nonlethal rock salt rounds
>Man lives long enough to get to the hospital
>Dies en route from hypertension