Is there any unit that's more A E S T H E T I C than MARSOC?

in b4 anti-muhreen thread

I do t know how yank militaries work, but if you have anybody with dpm then I'd say that's more aesthic

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>>34150426
Dunno OP, marketing perhaps?

Too bad you can't MARSOC right away lol

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>>34150780
MARSOC looks fucking rad

>>34150426
MARSOC, along with Delta are the best operators we have.
>Red Wings
>MARSOC runs recon for weeks
>SEALS get sent cause lol
>SEALS get rekt.

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>>34150780
>mfw Asian and did the college bs like my family wanted instead of PT'ing and getting serious about operating
I dun goof'd

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>>34150426
Chindits.

>>34153629
what's the rifle on the right?

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North Korean Special Forces

>>34153831
Lee Enfield No.5 MkI

>>34153924
>bright green camo in brown environment

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Really don't understand why they switched back to woodland besides 'we're special!'. Marpat is already the best general issue camo out of the US branches at the moment.

>>34154032
what a fucking clusterfuck lmao.

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The original Raiders were pretty a e s t h e t i c

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Americunts can't even compete.

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>>34154092

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>implying the original original leathernecks don't have the best uniforms

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east german army > any of this shit

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>>34154101

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>>34154106
Banana War Marines best Marines

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>>34154123

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>>34154092
>>34154123
>>34154127
Multicam was a mistake.

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>>34154159
Your life was a mistake.

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>>34154180
Well, yes. But still you're seriously saying you don't get tired of everyone wearing multicam?

>>34154040
thats the joke you fucking autistic newfag

>>34154048
Its highly prevalent among local forces in Afghanistan so they don't stick out as much from the Afghan gov forces

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>>34154354
All right, that's fair enough.

>>34154354
this is correct, army SF guys were wearing it for the same reason, its important when you're doing FID

>>34154123
spooky

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>>34154487
I honestly don't know how some of these guys pass fitness qualifications.

>>34154502
strong bones

>>34154092
>Wearing all American made gear

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Yes

>>34154057
Are they wearing two plate carrier ??

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45th VDV regiment

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>>34154019
MARSOC recruits Dullahans now?

>>34154159
No, exporting Multimeme was a mistake.

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>>34150426

>>34154743
Looks like a type IIIA vest underneath. Don't really know why they'd do it unless they were worried about shrapnel.

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Yea, SAS.

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>>34154092

Beat me to it

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Swedish Home Guard

>>34154180
Dude looks more Australian than the whole of Australia combined.

>>34154845
SAS are a joke like the rest of the UK

>>34154845
>>34154929
>fucking muslim cunts

>>34154879
Still can't believe Ubisoft was lazy enough to draw over this and call it 'concept art'.

>>34154929
neck yourself

>>34154510
>American
>not indian

>>34154123
>generic_soldier_model1.png

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>>34150426
Easy

>>34154502
You don't need to be in shape when you've got an elevation advantage with an M2.

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Swedish m90 is pretty cool
Also A Tacs is a nice meme

>you're now realizing that all militaries look the same barring slight variations in camo

>>34154124
>That pic
>Marines with a thing.jpg

What the fuck is that "thing".

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>>34150426
>GERMAN firefighters .

>>34154159
>Multicam was a mistake.
why? Islamic State use it too.

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>>34153924
>>34154040
this is how their real camo looks alike
<--------

>>34154092
He looks exactly like a us CCT, other than the patch theres no good way to tell. I think all of the anglosphere cool guys are using pretty much the same kit though.

>>34155520
I think it's an oar fish?

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>>34155525

french firefighters are the most a e s t h e t t e i c due to their space fighter helmets.

>>34154092
>Guy who makes multicam forgets to patent it
>literally everyone starts using it
>war breaks out and noone can tell who the enemy is
>just start shooting frienlies
Is multicam more effective than the arom bomb?

>>34154845
>literally all of them wearing american shit
Why?

>>34150787
They look like the army ran out of money again

>>34153529
I think one big advantage that MARSOC/Raiders has right now is that they draw heavily from Marine Corps Recon, Force Recon, and Infantry. So you have a big pool of candidates who have years of conventional infantry experience that they can bring to bear over the Seals who recruit directly. Although DESU it seems kinda redundant for both the Marines and Navy to have separate op8tor groups when the whole purpose of the Marine Corps is to do infantry shit for the navy above the high water mark.

>>34157202
>Army
>having anything to do with MARSOC running out of money
What

>>34154624

love that solid color aesthetic

>>34157255
I think hes saying that they look like they're using older army equipment.

>>34154092
>Air Force CCT
>Wearing American made gear

Ya dun goof'd

>>34154127
>Short guy leads the way
>lanklet BTFO

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Yes, Cold War SAS

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>>34157293
Alternatively Rouge One's Deathtroopers are pretty damn cool, if you allow for fictional units.

>>34157316
the single good part of the movie

>>34154469
Aussies have K-9 cavalry units?

>>34157395
>not darth Vader going absolutely apeshit on the rebel crew of the tantive IV
It's almost like you are retarded

>>34157498
Oh yeah, forgot about that. but pick is more a e s t h e t i c

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>>34150426
>>34150780
>>34150787

>muh M81
>muh fowty figh
>the only American special operations force that is not allowed to be a part of JSOC

https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/2015/09/marsoc-s-failing-standards

http://oafnation.squarespace.com/the-book-of-eli/2014/4/10/marsoc-conquering-the-mission-failing-the-men

Guess they spent all their money on looking different rather than being a good unit.

>>34157249
MARSOC requires you to be at least a E-4 before even being considered for selection, even then I've known dudes who passed training but got canned due to "attitude incompatibility" with MARSOC.
The SEALS just want fit people to join and they don't screen them like MARSOC does. See all the books, movies, and other trash the SEALS do compared to MARSOC. In MARSOC, that kind of opsec breach would get your ass sent to Bethesda.

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>>34150426
Yes

>>34157529
>.45 vs 9mm
.45 wins EVERY DAMN TIME.
>SOCS
Special Operations Capacities Specialists. It's basicly a com, EOD, Intel etc being MARSOC as a secondary MOS, NOT AS THEIR PRIMARY.
>MARSOC senior enlisted/officers getting transferred out.
I have mixed feelings about this, while some retention is good in keeping experience in, allowing a "mafia" to form is also as bad if not worse.
>JSOC
A meme their a part of SOCOM, which last I checked MARSOC is part of.
2/10.

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>>34154159
Don't tell me you're one of those fucking civilians who thinks ACUs were aesthetic.

>>34154040
you didnt even notice that guy in the back did you

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>>34157762
not that guy but, a gray and white version of ACU (instead of the cancer blue version) would be the most A E S T H E T I C piece of camo ever, pic related

>>34157757
>JSOC
>a meme

You're delusional. Almost every single high level raid was under JSOC. MARSOC was intentionally omitted from participation by Stanley McChrystal during his early stint as commander because "they just aren't ready".

>>34158218
Ugh, way to wear completely shit camo, Rangers.

>>34158277
Nobody gives a shit about how good camo is, the only thing you should care about is A E S T H E T I C S

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>>34154159

Agreed. Everything since DCU has been nothing but garbage/scam to fuck over the taxpayer.

>>34157187
Cause it's the best

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>>34157757
>JSOC is now a meme

Hwut. That's retarded.

>MFW RRC gets SMU status directly after being stood up and MARSOC has tried for JSO for years

>>34158410
Scorpion W2 is cheaper than M81 and 3-color desert.

>>34154123
this nigga needs to eat some fucking hamburgers

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>>34150426

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>>34158512

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>>34157762
Fuck no ACU was just as much of a mistake, they should have made knock off cadpat or marpat if they wanted a serious digital pattern.

>>34158431
>>34157187

cause they are US cucks

>>34157757
>.45 wins EVERY DAMN TIME
Even if it is a better round (I sincerely doubt that), why the hell wouldn't they adopt a more modern .45 platform with higher ammunition capacity, more reliability, durability, and modularity?

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>>34153924
bape camo

>>34154123
Looks like weaponized Slenderman.

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>>34158742

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>>34158449

Except it's not. The ACU program was literally a multi-billion dollar drain.

Also, if you legitimately believe that you can have a camo pattern that simultaneously works in both desert and jungle, you're either blind, a fucking retard, or criminally negligent.

>>34158218
>a gray and white version of ACU (instead of the cancer blue version) would be the most A E S T H E T I C piece of camo ever, pic related

What?

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This is a real uniform that the Brazilian Army uses in desert environments.

>>34158919
I assume all the neon orange parts are some kind of rubber to resist cactus and thorns?

>>34158742
>>34158820
The way they're wearing those berets makes it look like their heads are fucking lopsided

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>>34158826
>The ACU program was literally a multi-billion dollar drain.
You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. UCP was the camouflage pattern developed for the ACU. The uniform costs were by far the biggest expenditures from that program. Regardless, UCP was a complete and total failure, costing the tax payers millions. However, the army's current pattern, Scorpion W2, was developed before for the FFW modernization program. That camouflage pattern already belonged to the government and is what is being fielded today.

As far as that fuddery:
>gotsta have two camos otherwize it won't blend
...well that's retarded. The new multi-environment patterns have been demonstrated to outperform previous patterns in a multitude of testing batteries. As it turns out, adopting a pattern specifically for use in the Sahara and one for the Amazon is fucking retarded. Soldiers cover many hundreds of miles in any given theater of operations. The camouflage needs change immensely over that area due to climate, irrigation, altitude, rainfall, time of day, and a shitload of other variables. Even the Marine Corps, which did adopt an arid and tropical pattern, had to address this problem with a neutral brown coloration that has multi-environment properties. By its very nature as a "transitional" pattern, multicam and scorpion are objectively the best types of pattern to be fielded in mixed vegetation, semi-arid regions, and urban areas (the places where people live and wars are typically fought).

The damnedest thing that simply escapes you retards is the fact that M81 was terrible. Demonstrably so, and it was this reason that the Marine Corps initially sought to replace it.

>>34154092
Is that a Burgerboo?

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>MARSOC
>Marines didn't want them but they had to get into a SOCOM slot somehow or sit out the GWOT, much to their embarassment
>JSOC didn't want them either but they had to get FID/UW capability because USASOC and AFSOC embarrassed the shit out of them by jointly outperforming them by winning the war in Northern Afghanistan while they were dicking around ineffectively in Southern Afghanistan
>The Marine Corps runs the entire thing in the most pants on head retarded fashion possible until about five years ago
>MARSOC today has less than a decade of institutional memory

I don't get why there is such a meme campaign built up around them. It's like "muh SEALs" but even more cringe.

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>>34158826

>>34158959

Shit's true mang.

>>34158983
Its because Marine fanboys bought into their marketing strategy.

>>34158930
I hope so for their sake. we have similar cactus in Arizona called Choya. Those fuckers will go right through anything, and chunks will break off into your legs and arms.

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too bad they have such a small budget. too bad the USMC gets 8cents of every DOD dollar...

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>>34158930
Yes, its made of leather

>>34158983
Part of the issue is that politician somehow think that Special Forces = Super Solider, so unless you have a SOCOM/Special Forces unit you don't get to do shit.

>>34159039
what are they lacking that a improved budget would fix? They seem to be doing just fine with what little they are given to work with.

>>34158930
Better, actually. It's leather.

>>34150426
woodland camo is so fucking A E S T H E T I C it hurts

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>>34158959
>The damnedest thing that simply escapes you retards is the fact that M81 was terrible. Demonstrably so, and it was this reason that the Marine Corps initially sought to replace

Hence why US Special Forces (Marines included) still use it right?

If everyone from nigger militias in Africa to JSOC still prefers the BDU, they were obviously doing something right.

Sage you fucking military-industrial complex shill.

>>34154078
You're joking right?

>>34159084
This is the ultimate truth
i have found god and peace of mind now

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>>34158959
>M81 was terrible
Half of the fucking world uses it and STILL uses it
KYS

>>34159039

Bullshit, MARSOC gets special budgetary considerations. The problem there is that the Marine Corps underfunded them to slide money around elsewhere because Marines.

>>34159069

Definitely true, but that's contributed to so much mission creep that it's ridiculous. JSOC started out as a small, agile counterterror unit meant to deal with hostage situations. It has become the personal force of Cabinet Secretaries outside of the chain of regular command that has become too clunky with too many component parts and too tied to the pace of Washington's decision making to be effective at what it was originally intended to do.

>>34154124
is than an scp?

>>34159097
See>>34154354

>>34154123
Thats just a store mannequin in military gear

>>34158988
this is afghan environments not a fucking jungle

multicam/OCU is ass in a real woodland/jungle environment. it is a camouflage designed for afghanistan, not the entire world.

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>>34158959
>>34158988

>seriously believing they didn't rig the tests to avoid further embarrassment rather than just admitting it was a fucking mistake and going back to the BDU/DCU

>>34158512
>>34158526

What's with the G3?

>>34155985
Those helmets are comfy as fuck, too bad visor presses my glasses straight into my eyeballs. Nothing is better than chilling 5m from inferno and basking in the warmth and having the visor protect my sensitive face (also dat reflection in promo photos).

>>34159202
it's more comfortable than the MICH. i think it looks dumb as fuck too especially when you're wearing it without ear pro/comms but that's why.

>>34159039
Do these helmets actually provide any sort of ballistic protection or are the just there to prevent you from smashing your head on a doorframe like the old delta helmets?

>>34159232

I think they can stop pistol rounds and shrapnel

>>34154123
>"I heard he blew right through basic.. On account of a strong gust of wind"

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Does JSOC receive Funds from the individual Branches that make up JSOC? I.E the USMC funds its Marine Special Operations Command Raider Regiment ? OR does JSOC get its own funding? Considering they are technically out of the command Structure of the USMC? perhaps it is both? forgive my ignorance

>>34159097
>>34159113

>third world monkeys use it
>it must be good

Uhh....

>>34157529
>oafnation
>oaf
>oaf:definition: noun: oaf; plural noun: oafs: a stupid, uncultured, or clumsy person.

>>34159232
They provide the same level of protection as a regular helmet, they're just cut higher above the ear so that its more comfortable to wear earpro/comms gear. They also have way better padding and have a construction helmet like dial on the back to make sure it fits nicely. The back of the helmet comes down a bit further than the ACH/MICH so you don't need that stupid nape plate

>>34158605
Accuracy and ergos.

>>34159187
I know that isn't true from experience. I've been stationed in Ft. Benning, Hunter Army Airfield, and Ft. Bragg. Multimeme works very well in those areas. Also Afghanistan, of course.

>>34154048
Multicam is the best camo ever designed, period. Marpat doesn't have shit on it.

>>34159305
JSOC gets its own funding. According to Relentless Strike, their budget is roughly equivalent to that of the entire Marine Corps

>>34157177
Crye did patent MC tho, that's why the Army had to go with Scorpion or whatever they called it instead of OCP/Multi-cam like they'd been using in Afghanistan.

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noone posted it?

>>34159097
1. Third world armies use whatever the fuck they can get.
2. MARSOC isn't in JSOC.

>>34159201
Spooky shit.

>>34159332
(You)

>>34159349

Not him but MARSOC was in JSOC last I checked.

>>34159338
Scorpion is literally the second to last generation of pattern to multicam. Caleb Crye developed it with Natick. When they (retardedly) went with UCP he bailed and patented a derivative.

>>34159363
No.

>>34159363
No it's not
MARSOC and JSOC fall under SOCOM, but are separate entities. Some MARSOC units have worked with JSOC, but they don't fall under JSOC

>>34159097
>>34159113
JSOC and MARSOC prefer BDU not because they think its a superior pattern but because its so common among irregular forces and nigger armies worldwide. It helps them blend in and keeps their adversaries from realizing who exactly they are fighting because their equipment looks similar enough at a distance to local forces.

for example, >>34158512
>>34158526
the guy in these photos is not only in M81 woodland but using a G3. If the mission simply required they use a 7.62 battle rifle, they would've gone the cheaper route and grabbed one of the many m14s the navy has in the armory. But he's using a G3 because like M81 Woodland they are highly prevalent weapons all over Africa and other niggery parts of the world so it helps them blend in a little better in the sense of looking like local forces and not foreign oper8tors.

>>34159377
Yeah, I know. The original plan was to go with what's called multicam now but the DoD and Crye couldn't come to an agreement on cost so the Army used the slightly changed pattern and called it "Scorpion"

>>34159383
>>34159387

I had to look this up. Apparently MARSOC really isn't under JSOC. That arguably just makes it worse.

>>34159305
This is cringe as fuck

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>>34159349

>2. MARSOC isn't in JSOC.

You dense fucking retard.

>>34159433
Faggot

>>34154875
Look like he's in Villingsnam.

>>34159395
>JSOC and MARSOC prefer BDU not because they think its a superior pattern but because its so common among irregular forces and nigger armies worldwide. It helps them blend in and keeps their adversaries from realizing who exactly they are fighting because their equipment looks similar enough at a distance to local forces.
citation needed

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>>34159344

Friendly reminder that the US Military has been on an inexorable downhill slide since they ditched the BDU

>>34159433
>he doesn't praise Saint Mattis
I bet you haven't given an offering to the /k/ube today either.

>>34158988
Sorry, but you know it's bullshit when they say BDU had -equal- score in ROCKY DESERT and fucking CROPLAND/WOODLAND. And it seals the deal when it states multicam outperforms BDU in fucking cropland cropland/woodland.

>>34159437
Jesus Christ, I was in the fucking army and know this shit. It's common knowledge.

>>34159097
>Oh man, top of the line militaries like Sudan, and Afghanistan use it
>We better follow their lead, you know, because of all the cutting edge shit they have and their reputation for competence and effectiveness around the world.

>>34159497
It does. Woodland blows.

t. Was actually issued BDUs

It's too fucking dark man.

>>34159484
>that pic in the middle
>ywn have a tactical tier 1 tranny GF

>>34159429

I guess stemming from this is another problem.

How the fuck does MARSOC deploy? JSOC has the 24th STS as a component element, USASOC operates hand in hand with AFSOC partner elements, and SEALs have SWCC and Naval logistics anywhere that AFSOC isn't operating hand in hand with them, but what the fuck does MARSOC do?

They aren't low-drag like certain elements of USASOC or SEALs so I presume reliance upon AFSOC for mission critical logistics and JTAC duties, but AFSOC is already stretched with being farmed out to various SF Groups. Do they have to suck big blue dick, or do they rotate in where SF is pulling out and link up with STTs already in the field?

It boggles the mind.

>>34159476
>citation needed
Google around for pics of 3rd world armies. Jesus Christ you really asked for proofs on a common sense observation?

>>34159476
Army Special Forces have said that this is the reason they issue woodland and multicam. Don't know about marines though.

>>34159437
The irony of that statement with that filename.

>>34159524
How do you explain their assumed 60% efficiency as a green base in a desert AND woodland?

>>34159551
Source?

You can't just use additional unsourced "facts" to support your first unsourced statement.

>>34159476
the whole point of issuing M81 and specially having M81 uniforms made in afghanistan only for US SF and MARSOC was all because of working with ANA. why is that so hard to understand?

>>34159600
dude you realize there's not going to be a scholarly source on this right? PAO is not gonna write a fucking press release about this shit.

>>34159626
But ANA hasn't used Woodland as their standard camo for years. If MARSOC wanted to stay hip, they'd switch to a dark digital woodland to resemble the ANA pattern.

>>34159039
MARSOC is funded by SOCOM and not the Marines.

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>>34159484

Can we just have another Civil War already?

I don't even fucking care who wins the war. Just put this damn country out of its misery.

>>34159664
A memoir, a blogpost from an SF guy, something. Anything.

Spouting unsourced claims with authority is how fuddlore is born.

>>34159675
>implying the afghans can issue anything on time without all of it running away and getting sold to the enemy

>>34159694

That only happens if they route delivery through Pakistan, which is every time.

Our loyal allies :^)

>>34159694
They have been wearing their digital uniform for almost a decade.

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>>34159688

Seriously we can't do anything right anymore. Even the extreme right (/pol/tards with Kekistani flag and anime avatars) and left wing (Antifags with more genders than flavors of ice cream) are depressingly retarded compared to what they used to be. It's like we're living in a 1984-Brave New World crossover fanfic or something.

I don't care if it's ZOG on steroids or the Third Reich reborn who inherits the rotting carcass of this country. Literally anything will be an improvement.

>>34159691
>M81 is da best guiz!
>no sources
>No, it's used to blend in with locals
>PROOFS!?

>>34159538
MArINE-Moving Around In Navy Equipment.

>>34159793
My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment

>>34159724
they literally adopted it in 2010, dude. just a cursory look at some images of ANA in the news shows guys in M81 as recently as 2015.

>>34159793
>>34159803

That doesn't work. They can probably piggy back on the methods that SEALs use to infiltrate initially, but they don't have the working partnership with AFSOC that they Army has, nor are there Navy or Marine units that fill the role of SOF aviation like both the Air Force and the Army have.

Effectively this means that to carry out their mission they are tethered to the covert logistics for existing operations or they must offer sloppy blowjobs to AFSOC commanders in order to get help from special tactics.

>>34154005
What's with those shoes.

>>34155520
>Marines fuckin' with the wildlife since 1775

>>34154469
Lol, when everything is literally combat serious but you're just happy to be outside the FOB

>>34159772
>No, it's used to blend in with locals

From what I remember, it's for morale, not to blend in. SF guys didn't want to seem like they were better and wanted to fit in with the guys they were working with, so they wore woodland. It makes the Afghans think they're on the same level as their Western counterparts if they wear the same uniform.

>>34159997
Normally I'd say you're bullshitting, but knowing how stupid the Afghans can be that seems entirely possible.

>>34159997
wut

>>34160123
The idea is that you'll work better with your teammates if you think you're all equals. If Afghans see Americans wearing different patterns, they might feel uncomfortable working with them. If everyone looks the same, it adds to cohesion.

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Fuck sake /k/, they've had this name officially for years now, use it. Do you call Rangers/Delta/Green Berets ARSOC? No, because referring to the whole damn command is retarded.

>>34150787
>tactical fanny pack

where to get?

>>34155013
Sauce on ubi pic?

>>34160172
that's a great idea but it's not the only reason.

anyways in the book No Way Out, it documents one instance where members of a SFODA in the Shok Valley where soldiers wearing tri color desert were deliberately targeted by the enemy, likely because they stood out from their ANA commandos in M81.

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>>34159224
Can't stand those Luke Skywalker helmets. Leather forever.

>>34157293
>french firefighters
they are not wearing black but really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really dark green

>>34160266
I was thinking that too. It makes more sense. I listened to an interview where the SF guy only mentioned unit cohesion as the reason to wearing woodland. Being targeted for wearing the desert pattern makes sense because it's brighter and easier to see. Some reporters stopped wearing those blue vests because the enemy could easily spot them and use them as a line of fire.

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>>34160261
Here you go.

>>34160395
lol

>>34160395
Jesus, they really are the laziest dev in the business now, I can't bring myself to buy anymore of their games, just wasting my money

>>34159198
It's not just army testing. The Canadians tested M81 before developing their own pattern and found it to be shit.

>>34155013
That's what most concept artists do these days, at least for these types of games

Concept art is just there to help visualize a look for something, so for more "realistic" looking things they tend to just mash photos together or draw over them

>>34157202
>>34157255
>>34157267
>crye gen 3 cut with m81 woodland
>older equipment

>>34161574
those aren't cryes, boyo

they be drifires

>>34153529
Red Wings happened two years before MARSOC formed.

>>34163376

Next you'll point out that if the SEALs got rekt it was due to sloppy intelligence gathering by Marine elements, and I don't think that anon could take it.

>>34153612
Same. Consolation prize is a decent job and I'm able to afford guns.

Plot twist: I live in California, so everything is shit. If I move I would make significantly less money.

>>34159856
>What's with those shoes.
Fin shoes. Yes those are black Chucks on right. You can wear chucks under fins. But yeah those are all fin shoes to wear under fins.
I can't tell you why they aren't on a ship, that part I have no fucking clue. Maybe they're doing some gay underfunded training.

>>34154502
He's on the east end of Ma’Sum Ghar. That fob sucks dicks

>>34159433
Your grammar is shit as fuck.

>>34153924
>hip firing with eyes closed
so stronk

>>34157623
CF, 9.5 years. Why the fuck are these service battalion idiots not wearing gloves?

>>34159538
Marines have their own JTACs and air assets.

>>34163687
That's not a reason to deploy.

>>34163687

As far as I can determine Marine JTACs are drawn solely from NCOs and Officers and only get basic JTAC training. There are far fewer of them, and while they might do in a pinch for calling in CAS they're not going to be able to do everything that they'd need to do to run an austere airfield without AFSOC elements.

>>34163420
>sloppy intelligence gathering by Marine elements
want it because the 4 shitbirds flew to close to the target location

>>34159038
>Choya
Nigger you best be joking, it's CHOLLA lrn2spanish.
I'm white AF and I know this.

>>34163878

Nah, afaik the SEAL SR team got hit when they captured and released some civilians who found them and then snitched them out. Then the QRF walked right into a fire fight.

>>34163878
>>34163951

A lot of it is on intel. They should have either picked a route for the recon team that would have averted an encounter with locals, or failing that they should have recruited some of those local shephards as paid intelligence agents as both an intelligence gathering and a CI measure. The latter is a very cheap insurance policy against the operation being compromised by a random encounter with locals.

>>34154048
Marines don't allow relaxed grooming standards in uniform.

>>34154743
>>34154827
Spalling

>>34159071
It would be nice if the companies could operate as a MEU-minus

>>34159538
Conventional wing assets get temporarily attached. You can also hitch rides just by going down to JTAC and booking a flight. It's really weird what you can do at that level.

>>34159676
MARSOC is operationally under SOCOM, but administratively under the USMC. Which makes for some really strange shit like going out and doing some really cool training for months on end, coming back in civies and a full beard on a Friday afternoon, and being told you need to get all your calendar year MarineNet classes finished by CoB. And oh yeah, you've got range on Monday.

>>34160209
They're just blow out kits.

>>34163808
Combat Controllers are also attached.

t. Did a pump with MARSOC in '13

>>34164067

How was it? Was admin as much of a headache as I'm imagining for a command that new?

>>34164093
It was legit. Admin was tight just because they had a completely different mentality. There were issues because I was an individual augmentee, but that wasn't on them.

>>34157623
These guys are a bunch of POGs who have no clue what they're doing

>>34164115

That's good to hear. Were the CCTs cool? Is MARSOC doing well at the whole FID/UW mission or is it very Force Recon-y?

>>34155399
that MG3's hip support is badass

>>34164067
>Spalling

I don't know who told you that, but that's not the reason. Plates only need very thin backers to make them IV 4. Anybody getting issued a plate carrier is either getting those backers or a carrier with the backers sewn in.

The reason for a plate carrier over a soft armor slick vest is that it gives the same area coverage protection you would get from a full armor vest. It's just like wearing an MTV, IBA, or IOTV when both vests are worn together. But, you have the option to ditch the full armor vest and just roll with your plate carrier at a moment's notice. All your pouches and shit can stay on the plate carrier making things simple.

So, if you're in a unit where 99% of the time you just wear a plate carrier, this makes sense. In the times you need to wear full armor- either because training range rules, photo-op rules, or some operational threat determination, you double up and wear the soft armor under it.

I got pictures of Rangers and Euros doing the same thing.

>>34164203
Air Force is...very competent at their jobs.

One of the standard jobs for Marines is FID. I'd done it twice before being attached to them. But, they were really leaving that up to the ODAs. The MSOTs were focused on collections. At least from my perspective. There wasn't a lot of DA, Rangers were handling that.

>>34160180
>posting niggers on /k/

>>34159395
should have grabbed a FAL.

>>34164251

>Air Force is... very competent at their jobs.

Can't tell if that's praise, condemnation, or both.

>One of the standard jobs for Marines is FID.

...I did not know that the Marines did this.

>focused on collections

I had read that they ran HUMINT in addition to SR, was it more one or the other?

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>>34164234
I have no idea man. I'm not a gear geek I just went what the experienced guys said. I had three different vests depending on what I was doing. I had an MTV for movements. If I was rolling around town I had my plate carrier because I was usually driving and it was more comfortable. Otherwise doing my thing I had low profile soft armor I wore under my clothes.

>>34160414
>>34161422
that's pretty much what they do to FAR CRY. Just mash farcry 3 together and draw over it.

>>34164270
>Can't tell if that's praise, condemnation, or both
They were awesome at what they did. I wouldn't hang out with them on a Friday night.

>I had read that they ran HUMINT in addition to SR, was it more one or the other?
Each MSOT had an ASOC and CI/HUMINT. And of course Recon and Snipers are default collections assets. We also had SIGINT and GSP attachments.

>>34164289
Not trying to be the "well acktually" guy, my man. You listened to your leaders- and those old timers might actually have been old enough to remember using steel inserts.

I did an Army job requiring different kinds of vests, so I'm not talking entirely out of my ass about it.

>>34164279
You guys ever go where it got really cold in Afghanistan? Marine AOs are supposed to actually be a bit warmer and lower altitude, yeah?

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Maoism while being the shittiest ideology, has peak aesthetics.

>>34164332

W-were they stereotypical turbo nerds? A-asking for a friend.

>All those fucking collections assets built right in

Whew. I guess there's a reason why intel for SOF is now bottom up instead of top down.

>>34164339
It's cool. It's been four years and I don't remember everything. Like I said, I was an augmentee, I did what the experienced guys said about everything outside my lane. Hell, one of them was original Alpha Team that got kicked out of AFG the first go round.

>>34164358
>turbo nerds
Not as bad as the shoe gazers from the NSA.

>Whew. I guess there's a reason why intel for SOF is now bottom up instead of top down
And we were actually building something new. A sort of combined arms with all the INTS. Was crazy effective and extremely frustrating when no one else could keep up.

>>34164408

Probably compares favorably to the CIA. They're more extroverted, but they have a well earned reputation for being... well, dicks. Major dicks. Something about that agency attracts the most backstabby people.

>combined arms with all the INTS

That's some next level shit.

>>34164352
>Chinks
>Aesthetic

Good joke, the only commies that had something resembling quality uniforms were the Soviets.

And even then they weren't that good.

>>34164438
>Probably compares favorably to
I didn't like those guys. Not even a little bit. The State chick who couldn't remember how to field strip her pistol was better than those fuckers.

>That's some next level shit.
It was amazing.

>>34164486

They're universally dicks. Even the ones that I like are just slightly likeable dicks, but those were mostly analysts.

>State chick who couldn't remember how to field strip her pistol

Toppest kek. Probably a QT though.

>>34164067
>Did a pump with MARSOC
Is it true that almost all of MARSOC's issues stem from them not being prepared to be used and abused like how SEALS and Rangers have been for the past decade?

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>>34150426
Liberian ghillie suits take the cake for me.

>>34157249
The biggest advantage that MARSOC will have will be the same one that Rangers have when they move on over to Delta. They have legit infantryman who know how to work in a firefight. I'm not trying to rag on SEALS, they're amazing at what they do and aim for. But from a lot of accounts, when shit hits the fan you can tell the difference between an operator who's only ever kicked in doors and an operator who came from the infantry.

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>>34150426

[Laughs in Hue]

>>34164598
>tfw no pet jaguar

>>34164576
Fuck the SEALS
>Marines not prepared to be used and abused
Anon, I....

Their issues stem from them being Marines first. How to make a CSO:
>take your standard issue Marine Corps ego
>make it "special"

>>34164526
She was.

>>34164610

Diplomats seem to be uncommonly hot. Not my primary reason, but I want to go foreign service when I get out, but I consider it a fringe perk.

>>34164610
Army dude from earlier. Had SEALs and Navy EOD come into our compound sometimes for joint operations and they were always prima donnas. My more choice complaints are towards the Navy EOD, who were basically glorified demo and breachers and were lacking a lot of basic EOD skills. But both groups had this vibe of "we're better than you" and seemed to think we'd be impressed by their top secret clearance (yeah, nigga evereybody in the building has one....) or their non-GI equipment (yeah nigga everybody in the building is using high tech shit...).

Have to say that Rangers were excellent at infantry dude shit.

Didn't cross too much with Marines, but trained some of their combat engineers and those guys were very polite and eager to learn. No boot Jarhead moto bullshit from them.

This shit is so interesting to me. The dynamic of JSOC and SOCOM with all the units between them is pretty rad.

Now I gotta seriously consider my Opt 40

>>34164659
I have little good to say about SEALS. If you need someone to swim through the ocean, sneak ashore, and throw a thousand bullets at some bad guys face they're your guys. Otherwise, meh. I think their attitude comes from their Navy budget and Hollywood veneration. I mean, when they get in trouble their punishment is Ranger School.

Rangers seemed alright, I didn't have much interaction with them even though we were on their FOB for a while. They were always sneaking off in the middle of the night.

ODAs were legit. I could definitely tell the difference between the 18x guys and the infantry dudes. Only met two triple tabbers. They were...quiet. Worked with them directly in Europe too. They were fun.

Then the various alphabets. Agency meh. No Such Agency, no idea what those fuckers we're talking about, way over my head, but they always delivered. State was competent but was more concerned with strategic level shit I didn't care about. DEA only wanted to know about drugs.

The EOD guys were cool.

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>>34157544
>See all the books, movies, and other trash the SEALS do
>opsec breach

All that is backed by the (((CIA))). Chis Kyle was used to defame Jesse Ventura before the 2016 elections. The Bin Laden raid story was pure Obama propaganda.

>>34164963
>thinking bin laden was not shot in the face by special forces

Tinfoiler spotted. You are correct that it was propaganda

>>34165029
>>bin laden was not shot in the face

Good for me. Prove me wrong and post the autopsy. Oh that's right. They just dumped the body in the ocean. And you actually fell for that garbage.

>>34165050
>giving retarded muslim fundies more propaganda ammo

You are dumb as fuck. Your damn straight they dumped him in the ocean guess who became irrelevant? OBL did, directly due to how he was handled after he died.

Not everything is a grand conspiracy.

>>34165050
>You can't prove me wrong so I'm right!

The irony is that tinfoil might keep the mind control waves from getting in it stops the engrams from getting out

>>34165064
>Your damn straight
>Your

You retard.

>>giving retarded muslim fundies more propaganda

Straight from CNN's talking points. You sheep will never, ever learn.

>>34164659
ya dude, marine corps combat engineer here, did route clearance throughout '09-'11, we had navy EOD attached to us and they were fucking horrible. the air force guys were even better than them.

>>34165122
i want to hear some stories

>>34165115
>Incorrect grammar? Conspiracy confirmed

Lel, you conspiracy fags are full retard.

>>34150780
fucking Long Duck Dong is in MARSOC

>>34163420
>>34163376

The seals ignored and disregarded the intel provided by the marine scout sniper teams in the area. One huge reason they got rekt lol. Keep spreading actual bullshit though im sure youll get someone to believe you sooner or later

>>34159288
no

>>34154092
> CCT
> Has a Dagger
> Using DTCS upgrade
Someone explain this shit?

FAC-A or JTAC?

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>>34160395
>>34160261

>>34164667
worst example in history

>>34165984
CCE and Daguet A E S T H E T IC

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>>34150426
Idk about MORE aesthetic
but this is pretty A E S T H E T I C

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>>34166194
>ywn serve alongside criminals and rapefugees all fighting under a country who doesn't give a fuck about you, but MIGHT give you citizenship if you get fucking shot
why even live

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>>34166205
>you will always be an ameriburger
>ywn serve in FFL to get sweet EU citizenship and free college

>>34165930
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._4_Squadron_RAAF

>>34154875
>guarding his home for all the muslim migrants
I wonder how he feels about that

>>34166194
Is that a FAMAS?

>>34163951
>>34164012
The whole goat herders discovering the team was made up BS that Marcus stole from Bravo 2-0 to excuse his team getting shrekt by actual goat herders.

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>>34166723

How'd they really get discovered then?

I always assumed they were found by goat herders but killed them, the Taliban found the bodies, and went after them.

>>34166846
That'd be pretty difficult to ascertain given Luttrell's history of contradictions.

>>34166846
Because doing a bunch of fakeout helicopter drops alerted the enemy the US was in the area. This was done because the SEALs inserted like 3km instead of the 10-13km the Marines had been using.

When guys are inserting less than five miles away from an enemy force that got put on alert, that's rolling some real dice.

Unrelated (probably) to getting made was the radios going down being essentially being chalked up to "bad luck". I will forever and ever suspect that the embarrassing truth is that the SEAL team had outdated encryption on their radios (it gets updated weekly, and it's easy forget if you have high op tempo), leaving them unable to talk to anybody until somebody smart at the FOB figured it out and loaded old encryption in to match and talk to the SEALs.

>>34166846
The accepted story is that they landed 1km away from the town and the local Taliban just went out and ambushed them. Like >>34166882 said we will probably never know the real story because Marcus keeps changing it.

>>34166902

>prima donna SEALs refuse to hike the extra 10km because they want to get in and out quicker

Someone should have vetoed this. Between SOAR and SEALs several someones dropped the fucking ball and the Marines gave them the room to do it. SOAR should have had enough intel to know not to drop a recon team that close to hostiles while telegraphing what they were doing so obviously. SEALs should have known better than to infiltrate that closely. Marine commanders should have had veto power over the operational details.

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aesthetic and retarded

>>34167140
The problem with unsafe "cowboys" is that 99 times out of 100, they come out unscatched due to dumb luck. I've had similar problems in training environments trying to explain the safe and right way to people and some ignorant ass will pop up with "Yeah, well I deployment I did [totally unsafe and hairbrained thing] and I survived!". I'm sure the SEALs had done dozens of missions with such a low level of preparation and fallback planning and those turned out fine. When you start cutting corners on running missions, it becomes part of the "culture" of the unit, and it's hard to talk people out of cutting corners once they start- at least until a catastrophic failure.

>>34167140
>Marine commanders should have had veto power over the operational details.
this is how you get nothing done

>>34167179
You, you know what you're talking about.

>>34167179

I guess that's why I don't like cowboys. I like professionals.

>>34167182

The Marines were the ones who tracked the guy down, discovered his plot to intervene in the elections, and sniffed out his affiliations. They wouldn't have approved anything fucking stupid, but they wanted something done.

If the SEALs wouldn't compromise then they should have been cut out of the operations and the Snipers should have gotten the go ahead on popping him.

>>34167196
>I guess that's why I don't like cowboys. I like professionals.

I know, the pain is real. I hated trying to train guys who thought they were hot shit.

The other part of "cowboys" are the guys who come in with the "I'm better than you" attitude (ie- moto marines taking over an Army AO, Airborne unit taking over a Leg AO, Special Operators taking over a conventional unit's mission) and totally ignoring what the "lesser" unit has to say. It can lead to seriously underestimating the enemy; I have many examples, but one would be having worked with a dismounted Army "leg" infantry unit who knew the area very well. They kept extreme IR discipline at night because they knew at least some of the insurgents were night vision capable. An airborne unit comes in to augment them for a big mission and they have themselves lit up like the forth of July under IR- every single joe has a strobe or IR chemlite, and dudes leaving their IR flashlights on. Despite the repeated protests of the other unit.

(((((somehow))))) the insurgents knew we were coming and starting shooting in the general direction. Not effective fire, but it blew the operation and we missed the possible HVT.

I hate people who won't listen.

>>34167278
It's amazing that some people either don't know or ignore that cheap Russian and Chinese NV gear exists and that even poor insurgents can get their hands on them.

>>34167196

Where do I get this redpilled on OP Red Wings?

Any good reading material?

>>34167278
>(((((somehow)))))

I don't think Jews had anything to do with this.

>>34167278

Most of the heinous shit that I have knowledge of is intel related. I've heard from guys who've actually had sources get killed because one of ours found out who a source was and talked reckless about it in front of locals. Surprise, surprise, dead agent. I've also heard rumor of sources winding up on the kinetic list, but that's pretty extreme.

If you want really bad, well, you ever see what happens when the local CIA boys get wind that a military unit is working a productive HUMINT source? It's the most rage inducing thing you'll ever see.

>>34167339
what do the spooks do?

>>34167325
Just look at way enemy numbers inflate with each retelling. A tip off.

Also no reading that can indisputably say what happened- since nobody else was there, but pretty much anybody with relevant military experience is going to notice red flags in the story.

>>34167339
Let me guess, pissed and felt like their dicks were being stepped on? Demanding to Shut. It. Down.

>>34167333
Oh, you poor ignorant goyim.

>>34167393
>>34167404

They poach the source. CIA culture has institutional cannibalism to a toxic degree. Since HUMINT is very personality driven most case officers, or I guess "core collectors" now, might be trained to recruit and handle agents but they aren't suited for the job. So the cocky little shits get out of the farm only to discover that most of them aren't dick at what they've been training to do because they have the wrong personality for it. So the ones who can't do it work sketchy walk-ins and try to poach sources from anyone that they can, while the ones who can do the work have to guard themselves against backstabbing from the majority. It's ugly, very ugly, and it's normal there.

The script when they poach from .mil usually looks like this.

>CIA: Hey, I heard you guys have a source.
>Mil: You heard wrong.
>CIA: Nah lol, I have proof that this guy is your source. You should let me handle him.
>Mil: Get rekt.
>CIA: lol k
>CIA snitches to his bosses in DC
>CIA bosses bitch to chain of command
>Chain of command caves
>Ordered to turn over the source to be handled by the CIA

That type of shit is why nobody likes to deal with those assclowns.

>>34167163
what unit? They look like dyel nerds. inb4 vinning

>>34167551
>Custom M81 Cryes

Who could it be?

>>34167587
DD-DDD-DDDD----DDDDDD- boizzz?

>>34167404
>Oh, you poor ignorant goyim.

Look, I'm gonna dispute that (((Neocons))) start wars, but I doubt Jews are behind your individual unit's particular successes or failure.

Thinking Jews are behind every military fuckup is SS-tier levels of psychotic paranoia.

>>34167621

Fuck,

Meant to say "not dispute"

>>34167621
Not him but you're missing a very obvious tongue in cheek joke.

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>>34150426
I don't know, you tell me.

>>34167651
the memes are real. these fuckers look autistic as shit

>>34154938
>>34158586
>>34154929
lmao americuckistan is a fucking joke and could get fucking destroyed by the SAS, you fat inbreds are the jokes of the world.

Also a bit of advice stop training your army like shit rn 10 yankcucks is worth 1 Brit soldier in your shitty army

>>34167742
You know you guys stopped being relevant when you decided to let your Empire go right? Have fun letting the muzzies continue to run rampant in your cities.

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>>34159097
US SF in Afghanistan wear it because it's what the Afghan soldiers wear, and they believe it helps moral to all be fighting in the same camo.

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Green Berets will always be the most aesthetic to me.

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>>34166213
This

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>>34166213
Are these french regulars or are they french national guard ?

>>34168967
Foreign Legion

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>>34168761
Year around that picture ?

>>34166205
>we don't have a foreign legion to use instead of prison
>any deserter/traitor will be found and be summarily executed if not found dead on their own
it would certainly cut down on prison bullshit

>>34166662
(You)

>>34169058
Turning our prison population into a cohesive diciplined fighting force with its own unique esprit de corps may have unintended consequences in the long term.

JTF2 in CADPAT training American special forces in how to fight, perhaps?