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Has the AR taken away from variety?

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Compared to thirty years ago, what is the state of the market for intermediate cartridge semi-autos?

Have AR-15s, for better or worse, limited the variety and availability of simple (and affordable) "autoloader" designs?

It seems like pistol grips, rails, and military patterns have overtaken everything else.
In fact, aside from an SKS, the Ruger Mini or the Keltec SU, I can't think of- or find- any- self-loaders that aren't based off of (admittedly venerable) AR or AK patterns.

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>>34148382
Yes, yes it has. For two reasons, really.

One:
>it is a damn fine system and works to a near perfect degree
>it is an incredibly reliable system that can perform near infinitum with a standard degree of care
>it blends everything you could ever want or need. Utilitarian capacity, accuracy, comfort and modularity

Two:
>it would seem that either Armalite has reduced the cost of licensing their design or that they no longer have a hold on their design making the guns cheaper seemingly with every month.
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>>34148488
It's also customizable. That's a big selling point. An AR-15 is like the Legos of guns.
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>>34148520
>>34148488
Right, but in my state it's not legal to hunt deer with 5.56, so, what the hell.
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>>34148488
The AR-15 patents expired a long ass time ago. The only reason this boom didn't happen in the 90s was the 1994 federal AWB.
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>>34148563
>Right, but in my state it's not legal to hunt deer with 5.56, so, what the hell.
That's where "it's LEGO" comes back in to play. You have AR-15 platforms like 6.5 Grendel, .300AAC, .458 SOCOM, and .50 Beowulf designed for larger caliber and/or straight walled cartridge requirements.
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Yes, but it's as much due to social factors as anything else. Most of you are too young to remember the AWB of 1994, but it passed without a whole lot of controversy in large part because AR-style rifles really weren't all that popular back then. People didn't care that much whether they got banned because not all that many people had them or wanted them. A lot has changed since then. It started with 9/11 and the Iraq War, sure, but I think it's really that society has started coming apart a lot more since the mid-90s. I think it's obvious that we really can't live under one single government anymore - not only are our ideologies too different, but increasingly, we're ethnically and linguistically different as well. A crackup is coming - maybe not this year or even in five or ten years, but it's coming and nothing will stop it. That's why people want AR-15s, whereas 25 or so years ago, when a crackup seemed unthinkable, they didn't.

The point is that the profile of who owns guns and what they own them for has changed a lot over the past twenty years, and the rise of the AR in terms of civilian ownership has a lot more to do with that than it has to do with any physical features of the AR itself.
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>>34148382
>>34148520

I JUST WANT TO BUILD A LEGO GUN AND SHOOT IT AT A GONG INNAWOODS. FUCK I HATE CANADIAN GUN LAWS. ITS NO MORE DANGEROUS THEN THE 30 OTHER GUNS I OWN FUCK YOU TRUDEAU FUCK THIS COUNTRY NO I DONT WANT AN RPAL. I WANT MY FUCKING LEGO

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>34148646
>A crackup is coming - maybe not this year or even in five or ten years, but it's coming and nothing will stop it. That's why people want AR-15s, whereas 25 or so years ago, when a crackup seemed unthinkable, they didn't.
I suspect a crackdown rather than a crack up. The Left has finally pushed white people into voting as another racial bloc, only one with majorities of wealth, firepower, and population.
>close the borders - no non-tourist immigration for 30 years or more
>physical removal of all illegals, and possibly all hispanics depending on how many of them support the illegals
>English as the national language
>Islam, Communism, and Socialism explicitly classified as requiring the overthrow of the US Constitution and thus inherently seditious
It's going to start with some deranged hippie or Mexican (or Mexican hippie) attacking people building the Wall.
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Competition weeds out the weak.
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>>34148681
European and Asian immigration shouldn't be reduced desu.
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>>34148709
Asian should be restricted to just CJK and MAYBE the flips and Vietnamese. Poo in loos migrating en masse are a big part of the problem, at least on the west coast.
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AUG, ARX, VZ. 58, M17S, FAL / CETME, X95, F2000, RDB / RFD

Op Rod, Short piston, Long piston, DI, roller lock... That's it.

toggle lock like A17 and a few telescoping bolt guns out there like MasterpieceArms in pistol calibers
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>>34148646
What you were describing was going on in the 60s and 70s as well, but ARs were not as popular back then for a number of reasons.

1.The Vietnam War

2.They were fucking expensive

3.The M1 Carbine was more plentiful, cheaper and covered all civillian uses just as well. People shot eachother just fine with fudd shit back then.

Now that WW2 'surp is drying up, AR patent has expired, and we have a generation of people who spent 5-7 years in Iraq using M16s and M4s every day, and can build them in their sleep if they wanted to, we have an over saturated market.
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>>34148725
True.
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>>34148681
Maybe. One thing's for sure, which is that there are only two possible endings for this: breakup or Caesar. I'm not sure which it will be, though breakup seems the more likely of the two. I guess we'll see. The point is that in 1994, this was crazy talk. These days it's still a bit extreme, but crazy? No, not crazy anymore.
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>>34148812
Anybody trying to break up the Republic will start a three-way civil war. We need to reboot the old original federal model, not create several smaller shitty clones of Big Brother. Overturning Reynolds vs Sims, Obergefell, and a few other bullshit SC decisions would help with that.
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>>34148382
Yea but it ain't so bad, I can pick up a Remington woods master 740 for $300 now. I won't because I already have a durr gun for innabush but it's nice just incase someone else wanted it.
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>>34148681
You can't possibly be fucking serious.

Get out of my thread, you fucking nerd. I'm talking about guns, not your batshit lame version of Helter Skelter
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>>34148839
Also shooting everyone in Congress and instituting term limits for their replacements would help. The main attraction of the Caesar outcome is stripping away a quarter millenium of calcification that's been gumming up our legislative process.
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>>34148857
Mexican hippie detected.
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>>34148771
>What you were describing was going on in the 60s and 70s as well, but ARs were not as popular back then for a number of reasons.
No,this is far worse than the 60s. The Baby Boomers went out and protested on college campuses because they didn't want to go to Vietnam, but actual violent radicals were few and far between. Most "radicals" of that time were bourgeois college kids who thought they were the next incarnation of Sacco and Vanzetti because they cut class to smoke pot and listen to Captain Beefheart records. By the mid-80s, they were wearing three piece suits with suspenders and building up their stock portfolios - that Huey Lewis song about how it's hip to be square captures the zeitgeist perfectly. None of those Baby Boomer pukes was ever going to really start a violent revolution, and none of them ever really expected it to happen, either. That's why they never went out and bought ARs.
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>>34148771
Especially #2
My first centerfire gun was a mini-14 because back then they were half the price of ARs
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>>34148563
red herring. your state probably requires deer slugs through a shotgun.
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>>34148893
>Most "radicals" of that time were bourgeois college kids who thought they were the next incarnation of Sacco and Vanzetti because they cut class to smoke pot and listen to Captain Beefheart records.
Unfortunately the true believers went on to become the next three generations of teachers and professors, which is a big part of the problem we have today. Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong except not going far enough.
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>>34148839
>Anybody trying to break up the Republic will start a three-way civil war.
Maybe. Nobody really knows what will happen. I'm old enough to remember the tail end of the Cold War, and back then the idea that the Soviet Union would simply go out of business peacefully with no war involved would have seemed like literally the most ridiculous idea in the world. And yet that's exactly what happened. Nobody really knows where history is taking us - we're all just along for the ride.
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>>34148919
>Unfortunately the true believers went on to become the next three generations of teachers and professors, which is a big part of the problem we have today. Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong except not going far enough.
Well, I can't really argue with that.
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The issue isn't the AR15 per se it's the general stagnation of firearms technology. Before the advent of smokeless powder the flintlock had reigned supreme for hundreds of years. Systems evolve into their ultimate form over time until a new breakthrough in technology.
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>>34148656
>Canadian
>posting an image of a prohib weapon
someone get the RCMP on the phone
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>>34148919
>Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong except not going far enough.

McCarthy was only incidentally right. He never had access to the Venona SIGINT or Russian records which exonerated some of his record. The more likely explanation, considering that he did not have access to the intelligence, is that he was -in fact- going after people he didn't like.
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>>34148893
The 70s were fucking insane as far as militant communists went
https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
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>>34148646

You underestimate the amount of cross-pollination that would (and currently is) happening because of people leaving the liberal states for various reasons (taxes tends to be a big one, for good reason).

Californians are spreading out across the West Coast and the Southwest, with some braving the dangers and heading over to the South proper. New Yorkers are heading to Florida in great numbers.

Related article: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-22/new-census-tells-us-where-americans-are-moving
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>>34149186
This is actually just making the locals hate the newcomers, because the newcomers vote for the same retards that raised their taxes in the first place in the blue states. If anything it'll be a series of cities being encircled and starved out rather than regional breakaways.
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>>34148656
is that a weapon or a dildo?
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>>34148681
>Islam
>Socialism
>requiring the overthrow of the US Constitution and thus inherently seditious
Islam is protected under freedom of religion. I assume you mean sharia law, in which case, yes.
Socialism does not violate the constitution.
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>>34149470
>Islam is protected under freedom of religion. I assume you mean sharia law, in which case, yes.
Practice of Islam requires constant efforts to implement Sharia Law. It's called "civilizational jihad." That's why Islam can't be allowed in any form.
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>>34148839
>Reynolds vs Sims
"hurr why shouldn't some people's votes be worth more in my state?????"
>Obergefell
"i don't understand what the words "equal protection under the law" mean"
There are plenty of bullshit supreme court decisions, but these are not those.
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>>34149470
>Socialism does not violate the constitution.
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>>34148681
i love /pol/ maymays
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>>34148488
FPBP

The AR-15, is just too good and cheap of a product to compete with. Its not the end all be all design by any means, but its so fucking good that it has kinda established a natural monopoly. Its like Windows OS; theres better more specialized shit out there, but for most normies Windows is fine.
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>>34149533
Obergefell fundamentally changed the definition of marriage and was a gross overreach by the supreme court. "Equal protection under the law" does not mean "all my faggy degenerate behavior deserves government force supporting it."
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>>34149533
>"i don't understand what the words "equal protection under the law" mean"
Actually, yes I do. It means that freed slaves get trials after they get arrested just like white men. It doesn't mean that sodomites can get "married"; if you'd told any of the men who wrote or voted to pass the 14th Amendment back in 1868 that that's what it did, they would have laughed in your face.
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>>34149594
This.

I give absolutely zero fucks if you want to fuck another man in the ass, I don't care about gay marriage at all. I DO care about raping the constitution to get there.

What you're happy about is the fact that the US is effectively ruled by 9 people on the supreme court. Keep in mind that right now 4 of them would be more than happy to take away your right to free speech and firearms ownership. If Hillary had won, there'd be 5 like that. Fuck off.
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>>34149631
When I say "what you're happy about" here, I was referring to >>34149533. Should have made that more clear.
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>>34148893
to play devils advocate though, most of the liberals protesting at college campuses today aren't the type who'd ever purchase or pick up guns, in fact, most are just armchair activists thinking that sharing X or Y article from buzzfeed will "show solidarity" and "make a difference." Not only that, violent crime has decreased since the 1960s and 1970s, though the media can constantly provide this blanket of fear that keeps people thinking that america is getting more and more fucked up.


>>34148382
Import laws changing over the years likely contributed to a drop in variety, along with the fact that there are many producers and options for AR's, so they serve as a well rounded weapon for beginners and long time owners alike.
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>>34149055
>The 70s were fucking insane as far as militant communists went
No, not really. I mean, more than in the 50s, which is the yardstick by which people at the time were measuring, sure. But not by any objective measurement. David Berkowitz singlehandedly created more panic than the entire radical communist movement of the 70s.
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>>34149631
I second this guy entirely.
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>>34149186

The problem with that hypothesis is that they leave California and New York and then do everything in their power to make their new homes exactly like those god-forsaken places.
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>>34149647
>not only that, violent crime has decreased since the 1960s and 1970s
It's been increasing again since 2015, although still far less than its peak. Hypotheses for the drop include blacks getting abortions, the removal of lead from gasoline, and mandatory minimum sentencing.
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>>34149668
>It's been increasing again since 2015, although still far less than its peak. Hypotheses for the drop include blacks getting abortions, the removal of lead from gasoline, and mandatory minimum sentencing.


I hypothesize its the increase in technology, as cameras, police databases, and other things became more modernized its getting harder and harder to get away with crimes (save for areas like chicago, where a few years ago it was something like 1 out of 20 murders got solved).
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>>34149730
Chicago's numbers are still shit. CPD has been in trouble for years for massaging the numbers and misclassifying crimes to make City Hall look better.
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>>34149730

Doubtful. There was an extreme drop in homicide in the early 90s, improved technology would require longer to spread out and result in a more gradual decline IMO.

I think one of the major contributors was the end of the Crack Wars, when the major gang bosses realized that fighting wasn't improving their bottom line anymore.
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>>34149769
Also the mandatory sentencing laws for crack in the 1994 crime bill took a generation of crack nogs off the street during their prime breeding years. Eugenics at work.
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>>34148893
Could not be more wrong my man. You are talking about a generation that actually had an attention span. They planned shit, they did shit. Modern leftists by comparison just sperg out and attack people and get arrested afterwards.

In the 70s you had the Black Liberation Army, the Weather Underground, the Symbianese Liberation Army, and FALN. The Black Liberation Army actually went out and attacked cops while their backs were turned. In comparison the Black Panthers were pretty much your average militia with a drug and prostitution problem. The SLA deserve their own mention. They were into some crazy fuckin shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army

At the end of the day though they lost. Leftists are addicted to losing. They are destined for it. And the faggots nowadays will lose as well. They already are.

>>34148382
Kind of bitter sweet man. I got into this hobby expecting tons of cheap milsurp, and yet cannot bring myself to justify buying any of this overpriced WW2 shit when there are so many better modern guns around for cheaper. My Hi Power is the closest thing I have to Milsurp. On the other hand I got in just in time to get great deals on AR stuff. I will probably have an A2 build soon so I can LARP my Operation Flashpoint fantasies. In a way ARs are modern milsurp. They are replicated designs of guns that have seen a fuckton of combat, and I like the fact that I can study those old Marine training videos and follow along with my AR, but to be honest I wouldn't say it's the most fun gun to shoot. It doesn't poke big holes in things or make that satisfying "DUNK" sound that the AK does, but it works, and it works well.

The cool thing is we are in an age that can be easily defined by a single rifle. It is THE gun of the 21st century (even though it's 50 years old) just like the Winchester repeater is known as the gun of the wild west or the brown bess is known as THE gun of 18th century combat.
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>>34149761
Whole fuckin towns corrupt and Rahm is too.

>>34149769
good point. What do you think about the cartels and their hold in mexico, and how that'll affect the crime rate in the future?
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>>34148488
>it would seem that either Armalite has reduced the cost of licensing their design or that they no longer have a hold on their design making the guns cheaper seemingly with every month.

NOPE
Clinton era law basically stopped upholding patents for small arms adopted by the military.
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>>34149806
>What do you think about the cartels and their hold in mexico, and how that'll affect the crime rate in the future?
There are two entirely different predictions on that front depending on whether or not the Wall is completed and does its job. Without the Wall, the cartels act as a de-facto Mexican nationalist insurgency creating an Aztlan crisis that will result in low key urban combat all over the southwest, California, and Chicagoland. With the wall and ICE doing their jobs, it should taper off to a rounding error in a few years.
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>>34149806

Depends on what we do. If we wise up and end the War on Drugs then the cartels will probably collapse into infighting to seize whatever's left, then gradually weaken to a much more manageable level.

If we insist on staying the course then they will probably just get more powerful until they eventually effectively take over Mexico. When that happens they will, inevitably, seriously affect us. The cartels already have a major hand in our crime rates I think.
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>>34148382
>>34148488
Do these traits translate to an AR-10? Does the increased pressure shorten it's lifespan, or does it successfully replicate all the positives of the 15 but with a higher caliber? I am fetishizing a custom AR-10 lately.
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>>34149854
Nope. AR-10s are non standard and fussy.
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>>34149666
>check'd, number of the beast
>predicts our doom
We will be overrun by the liberal succubi, the digits have spoken
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>>34149854

As the other guy said, modern AR-10s don't have an official standard. PSA explicitly says this when you go to buy parts and says they only guarantee that their parts will work with their AR-10s.
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>>34149868
what is a viable .308 br besides the ar-10? I like the M1A Scout Squad but it doesn't have the same appeal.
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>>34149899

PTR-91
C308 if you're cheap
Any AR-10 from a competent manufacturer (i.e. Smith and Wesson M&P-10)
SCAR-H
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>>34149834
>The cartels already have a major hand in our crime rates I think.
The do, but since hispanics get rolled in to "white" when they commit crimes nobody sees this. I wonder (((why))) they don't get their own category?
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>>34149911
SCAR in .308... yissss

The Patriot Ordinance Factory ar-10 is sexy as hell too, but I wasn't aware of the non-standardized parts issue that you mentioned. Guess I'll keep saving up and invest in some quality

PTR-91 looks sweet, always liked the G3 silhouette. Thanks for the suggestions.
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>>34149055
>https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
Good read, but I think he's seriously underestimating the Right's capacity for violence. The Right is far more comfortable with violence than the Left is. With right wing extremists the question is never "should we be violent?" but "when and how?" The reason Eric Roudolph was caught dumpster diving is that he was willing to go all out and do what is actually necessary to be a fucking terrorist, which is to separate yourself from society and be able to strike without remorse or concern for collateral damage. The right does not try to polish their shitstains. When one of their own kills a bunch of people, they won't cook up a narrative of "he did nuffin wrong the FBI framed him for all that stuff" (well, except for Hitler), they'll just shrug and say "he had the right idea but he acted too soon, we need to wait until there's a full on race war to start doing that" Right wing extremists always rack up much higher body counts because they are more familiar with violence and weapons, and are willing to remove themselves from society and any semblance of innocence. They don't infight as much either.

If these leftists ever achieved the destabilization of the US they would enter an eternal waking nightmare, because like I said. The right has a greater capacity and familiarity with violence, and they have fucking religion on their side.

>Weatherman bombed the Pentagon in ’72, but by 1974, they’re fighting among themselves, arguing about feminism

LOL! war never changes amirite.
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>>34148382
What is gun?
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>>34149594
Except marriage has never been constitutionally defined as between a man and a woman.
>>34149611
>It means that freed slaves get trials after they get arrested just like white men
That's not what it says in the text, now does it?
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>>34150154
but the purpose of the state recognizing marriages was for financial benefits like tax breaks, and the original purpose of that was to encourage and support child-rearing which does not apply to homosexual couples.
If gays want to get married that is fine, but to ask for state-recognized marriage is to ask for financial benefits that do not apply to them.
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>>34149594
>"Equal protection under the law" does not mean "all my faggy degenerate behavior deserves government force supporting it."
Give it up, Phil. You lost this one, it's pointless whining about it.

I also liked that canard about 'government force', insinuating a coercive threat to your person just because a gay couple can receive the same tax benefits as a straight one.

>degenerate
Kill yourself, stormfag
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>>34150186
But what about the numerous other rights granted to married couples like hospital visitation and leverage in wealth transfer after death of one? Plus adoption rights, though that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
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>>34150186
>the original purpose of that was to encourage and support child-rearing which does not apply to homosexual couples.
That wouldn't apply to heterosexual couples incapable of having children either, yet those couples would still get those financial benefits. Equal protection under the law.
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>>34149944

The C308 uses some of the parts from PTR, and they are cheaper in general, but they're also made by Century so...

The nice thing about PTR/C308 is that they use G3 mags which are still like...$3 a pop ATM. If you're seriously considering one of them I'd highly recommend buying a box of mags sooner rather than later.

>>34150221

Or heterosexual couples that choose to not have children.
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>>34150210
I am fine with gay couples receiving equal rights, I am only opposed to the financial benefits that should be entitled child-bearing couples
>>34150221
>>34150232
I absolutely agree, I think parentage should be a privilege, not a right (see: people with abusive history, financial incapability, etc.) and I think that only those couples that bear their own children should receive financial aid. I'm conflicted with the idea of giving the state this kind of power but at the same time child abuse and neglect is one of the most disgusting and rampant crimes in our society. Very difficult issue.

The governments only interest in romantic couples should be the development and assurance of prosperity for the next generation.

>>34150232
looking at the PTR's on GunBroker, that is a nice rifle especially with wooden furniture. Honestly anything lower than $10 a mag is a sweet deal for any platform.
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>>34150548

With the increasing costs and decreasing benefits of child-bearing it does need to be encouraged.

I have a bunch of those mags from a while back when I was trying to scrape money together to get the cheapest .308 I could together before Clinton won. Now I have an AR-10 and I wonder if I'll ever get a CETME clone.
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>>34149953
im not sure what you are smoking but leftists and commies have killed more in the 20th century than probably anyone
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>>34150206
All government laws are enforced at gunpoint at some level. You're literally arguing that gay buttsex is so vital to the nation that force must be used against people who find it repugnant.
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>>34150574
https://pof-usa.com/revolution/
this gets me rock hard. I was originally planning on spending around 1k for an AR-15 build but now I've decided a .308 is just a better investment overall. Time to start clocking that overtime boii.
Call me a prepper/conspiritard/animoo fag but I am legitimately considering what round would be most effective against non-newtonian liquid armors, automated soldiers, etc.
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>>34148893
In '87, Huey released this ... Fore!, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is 'Hip to Be Square,' a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.
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>>34150090
30 seconds in Google reverse image search.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/a-forgotten-classic-the-remington-model-81-review/
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>>34149666
Fucking Jew York shits moving to Florida and shitting things up. Northeasterners in general who come down here are shit. Sure the rising property values are good for the current generation of homeowners but younger locals who don't own a home yet are getting screwed over. I mad.
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While the AR-15 certainly constitutes a large part of the market, there are other options. They're just expensive and harder to find.
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>>34148681
Uh? No, the "left" hasn't done that. They haven't done that with anyone else either, what they have is urban minorities (and even then it's hit or miss) who vote for candidates who have dark skin too. This isn't some big ploy by the Democrats, it's a complete fucking failure of Republicans to secure those voters.

This "whites vs everyone" shit is not helping, either. You're worried about crackdowns? Keep reassuring everyone that gun rights are a white-only issue and hand the tools to destroy the country over to regressive leftists who do actually want a crackdown.

>>34149532
That's all well and good and they can pretend like that's going to happen, but it's painfully obvious to everyone now that the United States is not "Islam friendly." What's becoming a problem though is how the issue of religious freedom is becoming muddled with left-right LARPing, you're guilty of that in the post I'm replying to.

Muslims have full right to practice Islam in the United States. They don't have the right to change the law to follow their religion. If they can't play by those rules then they can get fucked, because this is a hard line we must not deviate from.

>>34149538
Technically it doesn't.

>>34149953
>the Right is far more comfortable with violence
>never "should we be violent?" but "when and how?"
I refuse to believe that being conservative, even a little bit, means being a bloodthirsty psychopath.

>The right does not try to polish their shitstains
Are you on fucking crack?

There's been non-stop threads full of /pol/acks pretending like white people dindu nuffin at every opportunity, come on. Yeah, I get it, it's summer, but at some point you have to acknowledge that some of these individuals believe that crock of shit.

What you're misunderstanding is there has been all sorts of infighting among right-wing extremists, there has been really hardcore leftist groups with their shit together, philosophies do not make people not be people.
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>>34152791
>the nonsensical interrogative tell for cognitive dissonance
Admit defeat or fuck off back to arfcom/calguns.
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>>34149953
Hello anon, >>34152791 here again to throw you a bone:

I'll answer the question of why you had that misconception, it's because of yesterday's actual leftist revolutionaries both getting cockblocked and pulling out at the last second. There was a real chance of us getting hardcore, and I do mean hardcore, actual violent communist groups running wild in the United States. Had that happened I don't think you would even doubt the modern left's capacity for violence, because you would have grown up with your parents reminding you to watch out for it.

Do you think kids in Ireland are unaware of the IRA and open violence against the government? That's what we might have had, but instead of hardcore patriotism it would be trying to turn the USA into the next red domino.

What happened was "the revolution" was left with drug-addled college kids and half-baked retards during an era where counterculture was hip. Hell, most of the guys were there just to get laid. Then they grew up and taught their kids that guns and macho stuff is bad right along with the rest of the country, so the little lefties today are unfamiliar with them and don't consider them revolutionary tools.

That's why antifa in America isn't acting like everyone expected they would, they are the product of our modern bubble-wrap era.
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>>34152888
>That's why antifa in America isn't acting like everyone expected they would
Why do I have a feeling that you never heard of antifa prior to last years election?
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>>34150631
Literally how will you get killed by government goons because you dislike gay marriage? I've seen some stupid opinions in my time, but trying to argue that your own life is in danger because gays can now get the same benefits (which don't require individual citizens to be harmed in any way via direct government action) is the pinnacle.
I know you dinosaurs have a real victim complex, but please, give up on this. You're just embarrassing yourself now.

>Gay people who want to settle down with eachother can get tax breaks
>Ree government stop treading on me, I'm being Ruby Ridged here!
faggot
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>>34152950
I don't know, but why do I have a feeling that you're a fucking idiot?

Antifa have been a thing for decades, obviously anti-fascism has existed for as long as fascism has existed, but the origin is something called "AFA" which stands for Antifaschistische Aktion. You might have seen the logo, black and red flags in a circle? That's their logo. They've got their roots in the KPD back in Hitler's day but what we have now is more a product of the AFA in the late 70's and throughout the 80's that actually had open fucking violence in the streets with anyone they didn't like. Sound familiar? They've been doing this shit since '31.

How do I know all of this? I did a little research after my brother was assaulted on the street in Eskilstuna, Sweden for the crime of being American. I was pretty much uninformed about them and even back then I could see the writing on the wall, antifa in the USA was a pretty much unknown thing. I knew it wouldn't be until the Republicans were in power that we would see them show their ugly heads here, and then of course 2016 happened and Trump and yeah. Long story short, I was 100% right.

Funny thing too because back then? Just six years ago? People said that shit would never happen here.
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>>34153119
My tax money is taken, at gunpoint, to subsidize sodomy since they're now eligible for tax breaks. Government should never spend a cent that you'd feel guilty about funding by pointing guns at your friends and family, because that's what taxation is at heart.
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>>34148915
>your state probably requires deer slugs through a shotgun
Many states who abide by this are also OK with straight walled large bore pistol cases used in rifles. e.g. .45-70, .444. That's where .50 Beowulf and .450 Bushmaster come into play.
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>>34149666
Satan bringing truth again.
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>>34153160
>subsidize sodomy
>Subsidize
So you're of the opinion that all money belongs to the government then, right?

>not taking as much in taxes=giving money
lel. You sound like a congressional Democrat.
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>>34148382
>tfw no model 8 in .308
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>>34148563
bro, AR10
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>>34153119
I dislike the government telling me that I have to act like two men can be "married" for the same reason that I would dislike the government telling me that I have to act like unicorns are real. I don't like bullshit, and I like it even less when bullshit is made official government policy.
>>34154099
>So you're of the opinion that all money belongs to the government then, right?
No, it belongs to the Federal Reserve. It says so right on the front of it.

Of course, the government belongs to the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Reserve belongs to a bunch of rich Jews, so...
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