Milsurp 2; The search for more surp

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I am so fucking bored.

>>34146121
Gewehr 98s are truly gorgeous.

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>>34146490
I suppose.

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>>34146240
>I am so fucking bored.
Dude it's Saturday; time to DO STUFF.

I baked some banana nut bread, got in a nice pre-dawn walk around town, and worked on a watercolor.

>>34146490
Word.

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>>34146575
>time to DO STUFF.
Yeah that'd be great, but I'm stuck in my office babysitting a bunch of dumbasses.

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I got ammo for the Chilean coming in on Monday, can't wait to see how it shoots.

>>34146575
That bread looks really good.

>>34146507
>>34146575
What's the average price for a G98 nowadays? Both German and Czech, I know that typically Turk ones go lower.

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I've fully committed to looking for/saving up for a 1917 Enfield. I've already picked 3 or so online and just need to man up and decide on one

>>34146121

>search for more

My next buy is gonna be a CMP garand. Currently trying to decide between a rebuilt standard M1 or an M1D

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>>34147117
Honestly I don't know. I paid $600 for mine and it's been refinished. But it's also a 1906 so... I probably still over paid.
>>34147118
>>34147167
There's a 8mm Lebel Rolling Block for sale that I'm looking at. Or a 35m. Tough choice.

>>34147185
Yeah when I've been looking on Gunbroker I've seen them typically in the $500~ range, with a nice one going as low as around $340ish I think. I wouldn't consider yours overpaying though, it looks great. No gun stores around me have any, so Gunbroker seems to be my only option.

>>34146575
Working on a flip house kek
>jewclaspshekel.png

>>34147185

You think there's a big difference in collectibility between the M1 and the M1Ds currently available at CMP? Neither will have matching parts, but the regular M1s will have the most new production parts. Im guessing the M1s will be better shooters.

I'm 2/3rds of the way through making payments for my 1965 Ishapore Enfield and I really want to know more about them and peoples opinions on them, and this seems like the best thread to ask in. Any thoughts or concerns?

What are good suggestions for milsurp battle rifles to pick up? Im not looking for anything super fancy or expensive just something semi auto and large bore to have fun with.

>>34147629
>Semi Auto

Damn it, I was going to suggest a Martini Henry. It is large bore that's for sure.

>>34147651
Yeah Im just feeling some auto loading vibes for my next purchase.

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>>34147117
>What's the average price for a G98 nowadays? Both German and Czech,
$450–1000+ depending on date, manufacturer, and condition. Poles also made a few Gew.98 copies (marked variously W.98, W.24, Wz.98a), and refurbished more besides.
>I know that typically Turk ones go lower.
Turkish-used ones are on the lower end of the price range yes, but they were all made in either Germany or Czechoslovakia.

>>34147185
>I paid $600 for mine and it's been refinished.
I paid $750 for mine and it's in rougher shape, with the stock finish mostly gone from the right side.

>>34147689
Nice, that's good to know.

>>34147629

Define "large bore"

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>>34147629
Mas 49.
>>34147372
I honestly have no clue. American milsurp is something I know almost nothing about. It's just not what I'm interested in.

>>34147429
.303 or 7.62x51?

>>34147859
Anything that is bigger than 5.56 lol. I already have too many ARs.

>>34147957
got any ideas on good places to find MAS 49s?

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>>34147629
Hakim or SKS

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>>34146121
Here's my new Pajeet rifle

>>34147185
>a 35m
That's one of my grail guns

>>34148060
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/652525091
Typical Syrian contract one, which are more common here.

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So my uncle has a k98a, 1917/1920 dates, erfurt. It's still in the original stock but sombody along the line cut the stock down to a sporter and also filled in the sling hole in the but of the stock. The rifle has pitting on the outside, but the bolt works fine and feeds fine. Surprisingly the bore looks very good, the rifle went through hurricane Katrina but you wouldnt know looking at it. Im wondering how much its worth at the moment and if its possible to get a repro or new k98a stock. Would it fit in a k98k stock? Ive done a bit of reserch but ive seen conflicting statements. For what its worth its also a ww2 bring back. My great grandpa was a timberwolf and fought in France. Pic related, rifle looks like this but in slightly worse condition and without the sling.

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>>34148226
Better picture

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>>34148307
>Im wondering how much its worth at the moment and if its possible to get a repro or new k98a stock.
Original stocks and handguards are expensive, but obtainable with $$$. Finding the metal parts may be more difficult. New reproduction stocks are available http://www.fox-military.com/en/stock.php?id_produkt=46 and run a couple hundred dollars.
Would it fit in a k98k stock?
Yes, but the Kar.98k handguard will have nothing to hold it at the rear and may not fit.

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>>34148307
You might be able to find a replacement stock if you lool around. No, a 98k stock will not work. Differences in the trigget guard and what not. As is its probably a $200 rifle.

>>34148288
Is 1000 about what the going rate is for them? That stock looks pretty bad and if they go for that much with a bad stock the nice ones must be much more.

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>>34148016
>yes
Stamped for REAL FUCKIN NATO but I've read they can eat .308 all day, I'm just cautious and would rather have the rifle not blow up in my face.

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>>34148360
Thanks for the info, i'm probably gonna buy a repro stock in the future, I don't really intend on shooting or selling it. its just gonna be a wall gun for the family history.

>>34148360
Another question, why would the Germans in WW2 be using such an old rifle. I hypothesized that the volksturmm might have used it, and that's how my great grandpa got it but i"m not sure.

>>34148376
Buddy had one in Nato. I would have it looked at by a gunsmith if you have any doubts. We shoot his lots and never had an issue. It seemed as well made as any other Number 3.

>>34147629
Not sure what they are worth in the Stat es but you can't go wrong with an AG-42B.

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>>34148425
>why would the Germans in WW2 be using such an old rifle.
Because functionally it's basically the same as the Kar.98k. No reason not to use a perfectly good rifle.
>Schutzpolizei with Kar.98a in France.

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>>34148425
Some people who own them say they find the k98a to balance better than a k98.

>>34148425
Think about the fact that in WW2 the design of the K-98 was around 40 years old. How old is the design of the M-4 or the AK series? More like 50 + years old.

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>>34148452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcFeASfbgmY
Ian just made a video about this subject, weird coincidence.

>>34148371
For a Syrian contract thats a tad high. I usually see them top out around 850. A French one will usually be 1000-1500.
>>34148425
Because it worked, because it was functionally the same as their 98k, and because Germany couldn't realistically afford not to. WW2 was a house of cards even before the war, at least economically.

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Just bought an Beretta M9. technically not milsurp, but I'm still hype. Should be here wednesday/thursday.


Also if anyone remembers my Urushi experiment this is what it ended up as. Color is obviously off, will have to dye or mix in some red one. Going to try the real uruishi later.

>>34148332
Nice. Thought about picking up an Ishapore. How much did it run you?

>>34148703
It was 395. The barrel looks practically new as well.

Anyone here have much of an interest in earlier milsurp, like American Civil War era or earlier?

Just bought a 1945 BSA No 4 mk I for 325.

Be honest with me. How much did I fuck up?

>>34149275
That's a stupid good price for a good gun, get this bait out of here.

Is it fucked up at all? Post pics.

>>34149274
Yes, but can't afford it.

>>34149275
Post pictures.
Unless it's sporterized, or in abysmal condition pretty decent

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>>34149275
Unless Bubba got to it you got a deal.

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>>34149337
>>34149349
Shitty pic because I don't have an actual camera.

As far as I can tell, as I'm no expert, it's in okay-ish condition. Not perfect, but also not super fucked up either. Someone carved random triangles into the stock and thsere was a small amount of rust under the barrel bands. There was also a dick ton of gunk under the stock. It certainly seems functional enough though.

>>34149476
Barrel condition?

>>34149476
Oh don't you worry you can sand those triangles out and refinish the stock. Make it nice and glossy.

Also strip the finish and get some cold-blue to fix the metal finish.

>>34149514
DESU, I've never been a good judge of that sort of thing. But I can see defined lands and grooves so it's not completely shot out.

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>>34149534
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>>34149534
Take your (you)s and leave.

is the VZ 52 a good auto loading rilfe? anybody own one?

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I really need new pictures.

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>>34149618
Functionally they're fine, but finding ammo.... that's the tricky part. Of course thats true of most milsurps.

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Does anyone know where to get a front sight adjuster for a K31? I'm hesitant to use a punch on it

>>34149600
>mfw I used to think I needed to refinish my milsurp

>>34149274

I love trapdoors, I have a 1973 and want a full set. That's just post Civil War. I'm also interested in getting an original Henry and Spencer, but that's probably a long-term goal.

Wouldn't mind snagging a few muzzleloaders either.

>>34146121
What's the best way to get the firing pin out of my SMLE bolt without having to buy the tool?

>>34149658
Use a brass punch.

>>34149618

I mean, they're cool, but I'm pretty sure they're the ONLY gun that uses the 7.62x45 cartridge, which gets exactly 0 results on Ammoseek last I checked.

>>34149737
Make the tool

>>34149767
How?

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I went to a big MG blast-off today. Some fat asshole gun dealer type set up shop next to me with AR's a plenty. Constant bitching from this guy about the heat, about malfunctions, and about the very Mosin-Nagant he shot for a while.

>Why the hell did they ever set these up to shoot accurately with the bayonet? It's bullshit!
Meanwhile I'm ten feet away beating the fuck out of a steel plate at the 100-yard mark with 174gr Silver Bear while this guy isn't hitting shit and complaining.

"Blow it out your ass" I said.

>>34149783
Get a cheap screw driver and cut the head into the shape you need. That being two square prongs.

The tool is less than $10 stop being jewy.

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>>34149618
They work fine. Bit over designed and built. Functionally they're pretty identical to an SKS without it being obvious.

Ammo is their weakest point. 7.62x45 doesn't exist. the reloading dies cost me $250 alone. (you can form .220 swift into x45). Surplus ammo that i've shot has mostly been hit or miss, one time the extractor tore the rim off one (just the edges on either side, the case itself was intact). I've never seen surplus in brass also, its always been lacquered steel case.

I think the majority that were made were actually made in x39, if you get one of those you'll have a much better time feeding it obviously.

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>>34149875
You paid $300 for nothing?

I wish I was funnier, I know there are a ton of jokes that can be made with that.

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Anyone been to Gettysburg, PA? aside from the battlefield monuments, there are a ton of gun shops around town. One of them near the cemetery had a fuckload of historic rifles, sabres, muskets, and other things of that ilk.
>pic related

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Note; all this was about a month ago, just pulled these off skype with my brother. We were both sperging about the place for the rest of the day.

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no idea what the hell this one fired, just another spanish mauser

>>34150396
Its been over a deacde for me but it was awesome. Also pretty sure one of the chicks running the place was hot as fuck.

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there were racks upon racks of caplock muskets and rifled caplocks from the late 19th century

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>>34150429
The Horse Soldier? I'm pretty sure the blonde was the assistant manager

>>34150423
7x57 ya dip

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There were more shops, but I'll pull more I took of THS and post them.

>>34150448
No, I'm pretty sure the Spanish had some odd calibers. Wouldn't surprise me if that one was 7x57 tho.

>>34150444
Oh no I was thinking of the museum there.

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>>34150485
Oh, alright lol I thought you meant at THS. I didn't pay much attention to the people, just the artifacts there. Pulled two others, that's all I took in the shop.

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Here's the rack with the 1903s and the Type 99. There was another cheaper, lesser condition Type 99 and two krags on the right side.

>>34150444
for the record the 03A3 was in pretty shit condition, was missing a few screws around the reciever and was welded so it couldn't take stripper clips. $500 tho, so I was really tempted. Smith Corona manufacture, too.

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>>34150434

>Those fucking Spencer rifles

>>34150597
There were a few really nice Sharps Rifles behind glass and steel bars. upwards of 1500 for a shitty one but still.

>>34150125
>only 300 for that?? Nice find!

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I just want a K98, but every shitty store around here thinks they're super rare Nazi wunderweapons worth $1200.

>>34150721

Gunbroker, Armslist.

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>>34150547
For a second I thought the 6th rifle from the left was a Type 99 long rifle, but it's just a Type 99 long TRAINER.

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Local Armslist add, and I'm tempted

>>34150721
lgs has a RC with everything EP'd

i wasn't going to pay 600 for it though.

>>34151012
>all matching numbers

the only serial ever recorded on american rifles is the receiver. every other number is a lot or part number.

>canvas sling
clearly shows the 1903 leather sling

>1941 barrel
clearly shows a ww1 vintage rear sight.


this ad doesn't line up.

>>34151012
>all matching numbers
M1903s only had ONE fucking number. If there is a number anywhere but on the receiver then it was put there by someone other than the Americans.

>>34151069
It's probably just a typical "low number" M1903 that was rebuilt in WWII and then some shooter put it in a C stock.

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>>34151069
>Pre-WWI production
>12/41 barrel
You might be on to something

>>34151089
Wasn't talking about the stock. The rear sight in the early scalloped kind. a 1941 barrel would of came with the rounded one that has the stake on the other side. This was an "improvement" or the barrel date is wrong.

Looks like a Remington triggerguard and floorplate also.

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>>34151012
>dat superior non-swept back bolt handle

>>34146797
7mm? or 7.65?

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>>34151151
I know you weren't talking about the stock. I wouldn't really think much of it as US "collectors" are big on making things "correct" so they switch parts left in right. I really dislike them. It's why I don't have a US arm other than my M1898.

>>34147118
>a 1917 Enfield
you mean Model of 1917?
or Pattern 14 Enfield?

>>34151121
Thats not really uncommon. Lots of the old 1903s were refurbished with new barrels.

Every barrel has a date code and manufacturer mark stamped on it

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>>34151191
The former is most likely, its a common name for them. Ironically i almost never hear of P14s being called Enfields.

>>34147629
>milsurp
>semi auto
>battle rifle

Well if you're looking for something that actually has detachable magazines, you're looking at G43s, SVTs, and the few M14s that were issued in semi-auto form. Almost everything else was rarely issued in semi-auto originally, and so there are very few civilian-legal CETMEs or FALs that haven't been rebuilt or reproduced. If they just have to be big hueg, an M1 Garand is cheaper (but muh en bloc clips).

If you want something that is actually a battle rifle AND has a commonly available cartridge AND is true, never destroyed milsurp, SVT-40s might be the best choice. Prices have probably gone up in the last few years, so I don't think you'll see any for less than $1k.

>>34149845
I like you.

>>34151768
>Mas 44, 49, 49/56
>Hakim
>Ag42
>Fn49 (Argentine has detachable mags)
All of these can be found (with varying degrees of difficulty) for under 1000.

>>34148425
>why would the Germans in WW2 be using such an old rifle
Bolt actions are sturdy as shit, very few moving parts, and honestly it's not unusual to see ~20 year old individual rifles still in service, and it's not like they're going to phase out a bunch of older rifles right in the middle of a world war. I'm sure there are plenty of M16 samples still in service or storage that were fired during the Gulf War.

If you're referring to the Mauser design itself, it's not like the most popular bolt action design in the world was terribly outdated in the 30s. If you aren't aware, the M16's design is upwards of 60 years old now, and is by no means "obsolete"

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trying to get my hands on a pre 1918 mauser tbqhwyf

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>>34151177
7mm.

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>>34151876
I have 2.

>>34151876
Same m8e.

Picking up a Hungarian M44 Mosin tomorrow for $200. It seems to be in pretty nice shape. How'd I do /k/?

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>>34151876
Only have one :(

>>34152113

Pretty good. $200 is a good price for a 91/30, an M44 is probably worth more.

>>34152156
How are Hungarian Mosins? I never new Hungary made Mosins until I saw it up on Armslist.

>>34152175

Dunno, probably the same as the rest of them. Hungary wasn't exactly a third-world country.

I think they're the ones that did the 91/59 conversions too.

>>34150396
Is that just a general antique store? That has got to be the most orderly antique store I've ever seen. I envy you.

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>>34146121
Just out of curiosity... do you have an actual list/number of milsurp you own or is it just fucking infinite and eternal ?
>very curious

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>>34151191
The "Eddystone Enfield" or model 1917 or whatever I've called it a bit of everything up to this point

>>34151821
>Hakim and AG-42
>"not really" detachable mags fed by stripper clips and firing special snowflake 8mm mauser
>MAS-49 and prototypes
>all chambered in 7.5 French except for the shitty Century conversions
>FN Model 49
>10 round fixed magazine except for a few Argentinian 7.62 NATO conversions

Many of these would probably be fun for historical curiosity, but if you don't reload buying a rifle chambered in anything other than 7.62 NATO or 7.62x54r would mean you would never shoot it.

Plus there were twice as many SVT-40s produced as all these other rifles combined. I don't imagine the ones chambered in less common cartridges are cheap, but I do imagine they'd be hard to find if you were looking for a specific model.

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>>34152175
Hungarian Mosins are almost as nice as Polish ones. Better than Russian. You could triple your money if you sold that in Canada. Surprisingly scarce rifles.

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>>34152122
Oh if we're counting non German Mausers thab I have 3.
>>34152256
I have a copy of my old C&R book (I really should get another license) as well as a book I keep in my office at work with all my guns for insurance purposes. I have about 40 milsurps though.

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>>34152903
All the rifles I listed cost less than a SVT in America. And since PPU exists, ammo concerns are negligable (though you should really be reloading anyways if you want to shoot milsurp).

>>34153003
Nice, I guess the guy who sold it didn't know what he had.

>>34148680
Some Arisakas are yellow.

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>>34150423
Spanish Model 1943 short rifle in 8x57mm.

>>34150477
>I'm pretty sure the Spanish had some odd calibers.
Spanish Model 1891 rifles and carbines are 7.65x53mm, Model 1893, 1895 and 1916 are 7x57, Model 1943 and 1944 are 8x57, and the Guardia Civil M1916s and Army FR7 and FR8 rifles are 7.62NATO.

>>34151876
>trying to get my hands on a pre 1918 mauser tbqhwyf
Like this?

>>34146121
I just bought a Swiss m78 vetterli today for $200. I'm gonna convert it to centerfield and load for it. Does anyone have load data for 10.4x38 Swiss (.41 Swiss)? I've seen several people mention sr4759, but I don't really know where to start as far and weights.

Any body know if type 38 dust covers were numbered? I've been looking for months to find one example of a matching dust cover type 38 but have yet to find one. Any information on this would be appreciated.

>>34153345
>Any body know if type 38 dust covers were numbered?
They were numbered, but depending on the factory it was either by serial number or by a separate assembly number.

Do I spend money this weekend at the gun show, or do I save my money for auctions? Decisions, decisions...

>>34153372
I just have been unable to see any actual photo evidence of a type 38 with a matching dust cover to either the bolt or the receiver. There also seems to be very little information on it.

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>>34146490
>>34146507
>>34146575
>mfw I want one so fucking bad but they are at least 1000 for one in decent condition
Is there ANY fucking way I could get a good one lower than that?
[spoiler]Like, the 500 range?[/spoiler]

>>34148307
You missed the last thread. I got a complete all matching stock for mine for $100.


I also picked up 4 gew88 clips for $8.

God Bless America

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>>34153678
You should have no problem getting a Gew.98 for <$1k. Turkish-used ones are around $500. They are generally mis-matched but are still in Gew.98 configuration.

>>34153678
I'm with you there brother.

>>34152208
The Horse Soldier, just outside the cemetery. Yeah, place was like a 19th century armory, walls of swords and muskets.

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>>34151876
heres my oldest Mauser

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>>34150396
>>34150407
>>34150423
>>34150434
>>34150444
>>34150468
>>34150528
>>34150547

now that i have cleaned the semen off my keyboard i need to ask 2 questions....

1. How are the prices there?

2. What is the exact street address?

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THE HORSE SOLDIER

219 Steinwehr Avenue

Gettysburg, PA 17325

answered one of my own Qs, time for a road trip!

>>34148680
Those are pretty, bottom two especially imo

Is $450 a good price for a numbers matching MAS-36?

>>34152903
Thats not true. Its not like 6.5x55 for the AG-42 or 8x57 for the Hakim is hard to find or terribly expensive. Of course you would shoot them.

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>>34156420
Yeah. It's a fair price for a post war refurb and a great price for a Pre-armistice rifle.

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What is this on my 1917 enfield
Under the barrel?

My buddy's car is broke and he told me he would sell his g43 for 1200. Missing a sight hood and dust cover though. Is that going to cost a fortune to find?

>>34156738
He's crazy, I'd go homeless before I sell my milsurp I could only every buy again someday at a hugely inflated price.

>>34156790

>Car's broken
>"He's crazy to sell a gun"

You understand that that's probably the only way he do trivial things like get to work right?

>>34156738
that's insane dude. a glock 43 is not worth anywhere close to 1200 bucks

>>34156818
This

The way he was talking I thought he was about to tell me he had fucking cancer or something.

>>34156850
....

Gewehr 43

>>34156738
How good of a friend is this guy?

>>34156894
Known him since middle school. Think 12 is a bit jacked up?

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>>34156910
No, but if it were me (and it has been) I'd just offer to buy it off him with the understanding he can buy it back for $50 more down the road, after he gets back on his feet.

But that's just me.

>>34156731
Looks like a plate with the number "22" on it.

>>34156731
Rack number. Probably from ROTC or some such.

>>34156857
>>34156818

I still wouldn't do it, I wouldn't sell my 500 dollar milsurp today, just to have to buy another one of it a year later and for 100 dollars more. I'd find another way, and I have found other ways in my time of duress.

>>34156932
^ this is the only way I'd do it, if I were to sell a gun...more of a loan with collateral to a friend than a sale.

>>34155587
I don't remember the street address, just that it was to the west of the cemetery and north of a McDonald's in Gettysburg. Prices based on condition, no runs below around $450. The 1903A1 was about 1150, the 03A3 closer to $550. I didn't look at other prices but the sheer amount of good quality muskets leads me to think they sat in the $600-$800 range. This was all a month ago, so idk what's still there.

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>>34158684
thx. quality shop but the prices are a bit steep. They have some of the stuff posted on their website.

Ill be in PA in November, i might make a detour.

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>>34156910
>>34156738
The cheapest G43 ive seen was just a barreled action that sold for $1800 last year.

Front sight hood is like $40
dust covers are 80-300 (repro/real) if you can find them

you'd be retarded not to buy at that price, but you'd also be jewing the shit out of your friend.

also, depending on the maker/year I might have the correct dust cover for it - mine came with spare parts.

>>34158834
I forgot to mention it also doesnt have a magazine I think he said it was a byf 44. Im starting to think its going to cost me another grand to get it right

What's a good and affordable bolt-action rifle? I don't want a nugget, and I already have a k98. I want something that has ammo readily available.

>>34158887
Not milsurp. Get a Savage Axis or Ruger American.

>>34158775
If the 03A3 is still there my brother's coming up in december to buy it, as I cant have firearms at my college.

saw an Austrian M95 long rifle at the show the other day. guy wanted 375 for it . It was in ok condition, but nothing to really go nuts over. Also the tag said 8mm but the receiver clearly had the S stamped into it which means it was factory re barreled for 8x56r. so hopefully someone doesn't fuck up cause he did.

all for naught with me anyway, I already have an m95 carbine.

>>34158887
Get an Israeli Kar.98k in 7.62NATO or a Norwegian Kar.98k in .30-'06.

>>34158918
>Also the tag said 8mm but the receiver clearly had the S stamped into it which means it was factory re barreled for 8x56r. so hopefully someone doesn't fuck up cause he did.

Not re-barreled, just the chamber reamed out and the rifling cut a little deeper. 8x56mmR is still an 8mm cartridge.

>>34158102
That's a very pretty stock on that one. What Mauser is it?

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>>34146121
Why does the mosin I just bought have a faded imperial russian stamp if it was made by the soviets?

>>34159070
It's not like they were above using old receivers.

>>34158918
Fuck, I need an M95 long rifle really fucking bad.

>>34158989
>Get an Israeli Kar.98k in 7.62NATO or a Norwegian Kar.98k in .30-'06.
>>34158887

Ishapore 2a1 is also a solid option.

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>>34158868
Im not really looking to sell, but I do have 2 spare mags. The halfy would be 'cheap' , I'd probably let it go for $125 + SH

and dont forget to shoot it safely you'll need a shooters kit ($270)

Im working on finding a light load that will do away with that need (my shooters kits dont work well enough), but I havent found the right mixture. (currently doing 36grs of 2460 smokeless.

>>34158903
at that price it might still be there. you may want to shop around, I still see complete 03A3s for 850.

>>34159017
m1904 Vergueiro Brazilian Federal Police

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>>34159090
So it's probably an old receiver they hadn't finished before the revolution.

Any clue what the odd mark under the imperial eagle is?

>>34159141
Probably remnants of Cyrillic script: most Imperial arsenal markings were pretty ornate.

>>34158887
get a Springfield, honestly for bolt action milsurp you already have one of the better options... 30.06 is the same price as 8mm basically

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>>34159141
They "defaced" imperial markings with two X's is my guess

>>34159121
fug I hadnt even heard of the shooters kit before now. In what way do your kits not work well enough?

also you got an email? Im fairly certain im going to buy this gun.

>>34159196
>They "defaced" imperial markings with two X's is my guess
Oh wow.
That's metal.

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>>34159141
>So it's probably an old receiver they hadn't finished before the revolution.
It's probably way older than the revolution. Check the tang date.

>Any clue what the odd mark under the imperial eagle is?
Roman numeral 2, for Nicholas the Second.

>>34159405
>It's probably way older than the revolution. Check the tang date.
I may sound like a idiot, but where's the tang?

>>34159504
its the space between your balls and asshole

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>>34159504
At the back of the receiver. A two-or-three-digit year date will usually be stamped on the underside.

>>34159223
the apfeltor shooters kit comes with pre-drilled plugs -- i only have 1 apfeltor plug and it lets too much gas through

the other company that makes them the plugs are not drilled at all, and I haven't found the right diameter to use yet. though I can install the solid plug and use the rifle as a bolt action.

[email protected]

>>34159580
Found it.
1916.

Why would they have a made mid WW1 sitting around in a factory long enough to be made during the soviet years?
Seems like they were in desperate need of rifles in the 12 years between the actual production and the barrel shank stamping.

Unless it was prior issue and refurbished in the soviet factory.

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>>34159628
>Why would they have a made mid WW1 sitting around in a factory long enough to be made during the soviet years?
Receiver was probably used to build a rifle in 1916 that later had the barrel damaged beyond repair during WW1 or the Russian Civil War, so it was used to build a new rifle.

Nice Tula BTW.

>>34146121
Hey im going backpacking in alaska for a couple weeks, leaving soon. I'm going to buy a rifle in ANC. Can anyone suggest a cheap slavshit rifle to buy while im up there? Is the mosin more than 10 pounds? what about the SKS?

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>>34159405
>tfw my Finn M91 has a scrubbed tang

>>34159741
milsurp is no longer the cheapest option for something like that

>>34159628
>Unless it was prior issue and refurbished in the soviet factory
You've answered your own question.

>>34159586
Sounds like im going to have a project. Ill email you if I end up getting it

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>>34159859
You sure it's scrubbed? Some years/manufacturers didn't mark tangs at all.

>>34159872
so i should just buy the cheapest 7.62 fudrifle?

>>34159966
See
>>34158899

>>34159966
the guy that replied to you is right, milsurps more collectible now then cheap. You're better off with new production rifles. it's rediculous how cheap ARs and new bolt actions like Savage are nowadays.

>>34159741
Savage Axis or Ruger American or Mossberg Patriot or Stevens 200.

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>>34159966
Yes.

Where can I learn more about milsurp?
Any online resources or books?

>>34160118
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/

>>34160118
google and online forums for specific questions. You have a world of knowledge right here with a bunch of virgins.

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>>34159628
It's not that uncommon to find reused receivers.
>>34160118
The best research material I've found is good books on the subject. The best being the ones that cover a niche subject, like just one particular gun or couple of guns. Some, like French guns is unfortunately lacking (at least in English), but at least has a good community on gunboards with lots of information. Some like Japanese guns has a good community that writes books, BUT almost all of them you can't get from Amazon and have to buy straight from the author.

So really, make friends with older collectors.

>>34159859
At least you can get to your tang. My rear barrel band on my finn 91 had stripped screw head. I can't find replacement screw so i can't Dremel it.

>>34159227
I really like that, it's just such a quiet "Eh not anymore."

>>34160758
Fuck, that sucks. This might be haram, but maybe try to find a match or close match at home depot or something?

>>34160086
Then the poor fucker could never post in our glorious threads.

I got this guy as my first rifle. I paid $475 for it. Did I do good?

I was told I can look up these numbers and stamps to find out who made it, where it went and what not. Does it look nice?

all my pictures I took with my phone are too big, all 5mb+ with jpg so idk how to compress it any further.

I put it into an imgur

http://imgur.com/a/Mrz0d

Did I do good for my first gun?

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>>34160861
I compressed it a little bit I hope the quality didn't ruin

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>>34160884
The stamp says W then 7804 under it

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>>34160890
I can't really make out this stamp though

>>34159926
Whether it's scrubbed or un marked, either way I don't get to know it's history before it was reworked by Tikka in 1943.

>>34160861
$475 is about right for something like that if thats what you wanted to know

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>>34160884
imgur compresses pics

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>>34160905
It has some sort of crown labeled C.R. then "Enfield" and "1918" or "1916" can't really make it out then SMLE III *

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>>34160861
>I got this guy as my first rifle. I paid $475 for it. Did I do good?
Might have slightly overpaid; IDK the Enfield market these days. Your rifle was made at the Royal Small-Arms Factory in Enfield Lock, a district of London. Date looks like 1918.

>>34160890
That's the serial number.

>>34160905
Post-1954 British commercial firing proof markings. Rifles sold on the civilian market in Britain had to be proof-tested before they could be sold.

>>34160925
Thanks anon

>post 1954
thats really neat I picked it up at a gun show.

The wood is very smooth, theres very few real wood digs and it seems to be in really good shape which is why I bought it. The barrel was very clean and shiny from the looks of it

>>34160925
What I hate is being in New York and having to have all my online ammo shipped to an FFL only to be fucked for some 25-50 dollar fee ontop of it. Bought some PPU ammo for 14 dollars a box but the fee some of the gun stores wanted was out the ass

>>34160925
>Might have slightly overpaid; IDK the Enfield market these days
That's a pretty normal price lately. He didn't overpay, but he didn't exactly get a steal either.

>>34160960
Do you really have to ship to an FFL for ammo? That's gayer than 8 guys fucking 9 guys.

>>34160982
I can't ship ammo to my house in New York. SAFE act requires that if you buy ammo online it has to go to an FFL first which is retarded because ammo purchases don't need BGC's and the purchases aren't recorded. Its really dumb because my 14 dollar boxes of .303 I bought online turned into 17 dollar boxes after the fucking "FFL transfer fee" which is pretty much a gun store saying "not buying my overpriced ammo? lemme fuck you in this purchase because fuck you"

>>34161006
That's retarded as fuck. People call the Midwest a stupid flyover region, but at least we don't have retarded laws.

>>34161136
I hope SAFE act gets over turned

last real chance is this summer but who knows

>>34146121
I feel like quitting my 11.35 an hour job to get something that pays like 13 hourly so I can afford more milsurp. I only get 30 hours a week at my job, in addition to the garbage pay.

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The fact I payed $250 for a factory new mauser still amazes me

>>34161006
Target Sports USA ships to my door and I'm in Bestchester NY.
They overturned the bit where you have to have ammo shipped to an FFL fun fact.

>>34161576
Ill give you $275

>>34161576
I miss my M48. Mine was gorgeous,and I impulse traded it for a Type 99 Arisaka. It was also sentimental in that I bought it with my first paycheck when I was 14. I wasn't thinking.

>>34161576
Serial number A20250?

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>>34161641
A 51456

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>>34161616
Nice try friendo

>>34161700
It looked the exact same as mine, and somehow I managed to memorize the serial number even though I haven't had rhe rifle in a couple years. I've somehow managed to memorize the serial numbers of a few of my other guns too.

And I'm not even autistic.

>>34161603
>They overturned the bit where you have to have ammo shipped to an FFL fun fact.
Do you have a source for that because some distributors from other states insist I need an FFL

>>34161730
I've somehow managed to memorize the serial numbers of a few of my other guns too.

And I'm not even autistic.

>And I'm not even autistic.

>And I'm not even autistic.

>And I'm not even autistic.

>And I'm not even autistic.

.

>>34161744
Fuck off, like I said, I didn't try to.

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>>34161550
Well you could be like me, working upwards of 100 hours a week for slightly more than $100k salary (not counting bonuses and profit sharing). All the money I need for milsurp and no time to do anything but take some shitty phone pictures of it.

>>34161814
What do you do? And don't say fuck fat women for money.

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>>34161828
Well if you already know the answer....

I manage a metallurgy lab. Normally I dont work 100 hours a week though. We just have 4 audits this month.

doxxed

>>34158887

Yugo Mauser, Turk Mauser, Any other off brand Mauser.

8mm Mauser isn't going to be stocked in your local fudd store, but it's not hard to get online.

>>34159966

>Go to pawn shop
>Find cheap bubbaed raifu
>Buy cheap bubbaed raifu
>Use the money you save for other things

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>Get on GB, see this
>Ohh you're a sexy little one
>See that I have time to go get food
>Get food
>Decide to take a nap
>Wake up wake up 20 min ago

JUST

>>34162546
oh wow

>>34162546

You fucked up. You don't deserve a French raifu.

>>34161859
Right on, how do you get into a career like that?

I picked up my first milsurp today, /k/. It's a 1952 Hungarian Mosin M44. It came with $80 rounds of surplus Russian ammo and five stripper clips. I paid $250. The stock is in really good shape; I'm not sure the picture does it justice. How'd I do, lads?

>>34162811

You failed miserably.

But the purchase is very good.

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>>34162826
>>34162811
Forgot the pic. Sorry, lads.

>>34162811
>>34162975
That's a fat deal. good shit man.

>>34162975

Looks nice. If it works then that's a steal.

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I snagged that previously aforementioned 1916/1925 mosin for $180.
Good or naw?

>>34163111

Mosins are retailing at around $300 now, so it's breddy gud.

>>34163111
Could've done worse.

What is the best Kar98k that isn't a Kar98k?

I don't want to pay extra because Waffen Stamps = THIS HERE MAUSER WAS OWNED BY MR. A DOLPHH HITLER cancer in the C&R world.

Just a damn good Mauser since it's the only milsurp I've never owned.

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>>34163111
Updating as I learn more.

Now I need to figure out what the F stamp means.

>>34163187

M48, M24, Vz. 24

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>>34163187
The 98az.
>>34162781
By fucking the right fat woman.

Or studying material science engineering and knowing the right person(s)..

Has anyone else here ever thought "what if I made my own boltaction?!" And then after 6 hours of research had nothing but a headache and a strong sense of discouragement?

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>>34163301
I came up with something I'd like to put together one day. Basically a combination of all the best features from milsurp bolt guns. Maybe one day I'll make it a reality.

>>34163319
I have recently gotten very interested in making guns and ammo. Maybe sticking to casting bullets and reloading would be better for a while. But someday I want to make my own bolt action reciever and rifle a barrel. What would you want to shoot from your dream gun? I would probably be boring and just do .308

>>34163367
.276 pedersen

>>34163367
6.5 Mauser or Mannlicher. I love the 6.5 and hope to one day have one of each military 6.5 around.

Not sure this is the right place for this, and I'd rather not kill a different thread for a stupid question, but I've got a couple of rifles I'm seeking to sell off. I've got a 1929 Carcano and a near-matching sporterized 1891 Argentine Mauser, and I'm not sure what the typical going rates for such rifles. Can put up pictures if helpful for evaluation. Thanks in advance.

>>34163395
>>34163387
>>34163367
You may laugh at me, but I would do 7.62x54r, if only because my childhood exposure to glorified russian WW2 involvement in films and videogames. Also because it has yet to fail me when shooting deer.

>>34163430
Give us pictures.

>>34163301

No. I've thought about semi's though.

>>34163367

6.5 Grendel or 6.5 Creedmoor

>inb4 >meme rounds

>>34163430

One option is to check Gunbroker. I've heard that Gunbroker prices are usually a touch high, but they can give a good estimate at least.

what are some good en bloc rifles senpai? anyone got a comprehensive list of en bloc clip type rifles?

>>34163513

A list? No, but if you watch this video you'll see most of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Otq8TmDBM

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>>34163367
.270 or 7mm-08, don't really know why

>>34163582
I remember my father used to make fun of one of my uncles for hunting whitetail deer with .270 because it was a round for "little men". But my father is an asshole, and most deer in my state don't get too far past 100 pounds so it always worked fine.

>>34163513
from shit you could find easily? Carcanos, M1s and M95s

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>>34163480

Still have a few pictures of the carcano saved, taking some of the mauser. Stand by.

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>>34163696
2/14

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>>34163705
3/14

>>34163696

Thaaaaaat's been sporterized, I'm pretty sure. Probably only worth 100-200.

>>34163696
>>34163705
>>34163718
yea sporterized youre looking at maybe 100-150

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>>34163718
4/14

>>34163618
My dad always hunts with a .270 we have some FAT deer and it's never failed out to at least 300 yards

>>34163733
>>34163724

Thanks, that's about what I figured, but I wanted to be sure. I'll cease dumping the carcano, and put up the mauser shortly.

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>>34163754
1/4?
Bottom rifle is the mauser.

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>>34163785
2/4?

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>>34163800
Non-matching stock serial evident here. Anyway, 3/4?

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>>34163812
4/5? I'm going to get a shot of the manufacturer's stamp/marking real quick.

>>34163812
>>34163800
>>34163785

Is that one sporterized too? Because that'll probably only be worth 1-2 hundred, like the Carcano.

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>>34163830
Also sporterized, so that's probably the best I'll get. Thanks, everyone.
Final image, I'll just go back to lurking.

>>34163858

Sorry for the bad news, maybe keep an eye out for a cheap replacement stock/barrel. I'm probably gonna try to desporterize my Krag at some point.

>>34162546
Damn man.

>>34163858
Just because I have a fetish for them, do either of those rifles have crests on them?

God fucking damn I just bought my first mosin and the safety on this thing is such a pain in the dick to operate. I deadlift over 4 plate and bent-over row more than 2 yet it took a rag to protect my hands and every ounce of my will to get that thing into and out of safety. How did those commies do it?
>implying they did

>>34164275
Firstly, you more or less don't need to use it, but if you are smart and safety concious, you can buy a ring that slips onto the end knob and makes it much easier to use. Maybe shop for a cheaper one though.
https://www.amazon.com/Brass-Stacker-MNCKSPRB-Cocking-Safety/dp/B00A1WC2B2

>>34164275
I feel the same way, anon. I just tell everyone it doesn't have a safety.

>>34159070

we already answered your questions on akfiles faggot

>>34164275

the mosin has no safety, just because you can pull out and twist the cocking piece on the receiver doesn't make it a safety, soviet manuals have zero mention of this whatsoever.

fun fact doing so rests the firing pin directly onto the primer, have fun.

>>34164275
Pull with your arm, not with your hand.

>>34164331
Good gods, how true is this?

>>34164436
Probably not true. Many bolt actions of the same era had the same exact mechanisms designated for safeties, it shouldn't be a coincidence.

>>34161576
Wait, I may be (and probably am) retarded, but does that mean I could possibly have a modern made Gewehr 98 made straight out the factory? My dick is at full mast in possible anticipation

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>>34164505
>I could possibly have a modern made Gewehr 98 made straight out the factory?
Mauser made some Gew.98s for the centennial back in 1998. They're around.

>>34164460
Arisaka bolts use the same concept of turning the bolt knob as a saftey. but again it too is a pain in the ass and its easier just to not bother.

>>34164513
Shiiiiiiet, thanks anon, gonna fap now to this beautiful rifle

>>34164521
Schmidt-Ruebens too, but the Swiss had it right and actually used a ring so that you didn't need the grip strength of Zeus to operate the thing.

>>34164331
>>34164436
>Complaining about no safety on a Mosin
>To a MAS-36 owner
Get on my level, scrub.

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>>34164521
>It too is a pain in the ass.
Push palm, rotate. It's much simpler and less awkward to use than the mosin

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>>34164331
>soviet manuals have zero mention of this whatsoever.
When the Soviets simplified the receiver production in 1942, eliminating all machining that was not absolutely required to produce a working receiver, they still cut that flat on the left of the receiver wall for the cocking piece to rest on. If they didn't think this safety was a necessary feature of the rifle they would have eliminated it.
>fun fact doing so rests the firing pin directly onto the primer, have fun.
No it doesn't; it pulls the striker even further back than when it is cocked.

You're retarded.

>>34164542

>mfw you get your mas 36 and look for the safety
>only to realize the French gave literally 0 fucks about safeties

are the French autistic?

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Does anyone here have a Manurhin PPK?

In california it's probably my only chance of getting a PPK of some sort since they're on the federal C&R list.

Are they good shooters, and is .32ACP a useful defense round? I'd prefer .380 since I can find that in Walmart, but the .32 ones are far more common and I can find .32 at turners.

>>34164561
>are the French autistic?
When it comes to infantry weapons during peacetime, yes.

>>34164561
It was drilled into French soldiers not to EVER carry a MAS-36 with a round in the chamber. If you want to know why that was actually a bad idea, watch the opening scene of We Were Soldiers.

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need a new thread soon

>>34164558
Yo is that one of those new production Mosins?

Pretty stoked today boys - I had a sporterized LE mkIII* from 1916 that I wanted to get rid of, mostly because it's bubba'd and the ammo is expensive as fuck in leafland. Decided to put it up online as either a trade or cash.

8 hours later, a guy one to one traded me for a 1951 mosin nagant 91/30. Feels good man.

>>34164888
>Yo is that one of those new production Mosins?
No, just a Molot refub. I don't think there are any actual "new" Mosin receivers being made; I got to talk with a couple owners of KO-91/30M and both their rifles have new barrels and sights on recycled receivers.

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>>34164561
Safeties on a infantry rifle are superfluous. The Lebel and Berthier don't have them either.

>>34164311
I asked simultaneously jimbo.

>>34164561
They were never intended to be used in combat anyway, so it didn't matter at the time.

Is there a way to convert a Mauser 98 action to cock on close?

>>34165495
No. Just buy a Mauser 93 action.
>>34165485
That's the dumbest post in this thread.

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>>34165495
>Is there a way to convert a Mauser 98 action to cock on close?
Yeah, just make the 45° cam on the bolt body into a right angle. All Mausers are cock-on-close through the final locking of the bolt.

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>there's multiple beautiful Berthiers on GB right now and I'm fucking broke

kill me

>>34164920
So yes. What I was asking. How much it set you back? Also where did you find it??

>>34164820
Use my fail on not buying that MAS 36 as the op image. I need to be reminded for as long as possible.