Why did the G41, G43, STG44 even exist?

>>34131467
The real question is why did they produce any other gun besides the STG44

>>34131502
Because the StG44 has a long and involved R&D process that meant it wasn't ready for full rate production until late in the war and they required arms for their infantry in the interim.

I'm honestly curious why using roller delay never caught on outside of their MGs tho.

>>34131502
the problem was never the amount of guns it was the ammunition. they never truly had enough ammunition for the stg44.

>>34131533
They also lacked magazines, it was not unheard of for only a single magazine to be issued per gun.

>>34131502

Because Hitler had a very stubborn belief that soldiers need large-caliber ammunition and he wasn't willing to entertain the adoption of smaller rifle cartridge. He did eventually relent, but by then it was very late in the war. To be fair though, the U.S. Army ordinance board was just as stubborn, if not more so, when it came time for the U.S. to switch to a small-caliber rifle cartridge.

They exist because semi-automatic weaponry was the ultimate goal of the Soviet Army and the Wehrmacht couldn't be left behind, nor could they place all their hopes in the compensating the lack of semi-automatic weaponry in German infantry squad with the MG alone.

>>34131502

Because it wasn't developed until 1942 and even then it was forbidden by Hitler, who felt there was already enough resources being poured into small arms production as it was.The Mkb-42's performance in Kholm Pocket did boost its reputation and helped convince more staff officers to push for it.

>A common belief of Hitler's influence over the Sturmgewehr was that he was against an intermediate rifle round. In reality, he could have ordered the project to be canceled entirely if he wanted to, especially if it had been hidden from him. Numerous reports and company correspondence reveal frequent presentation of the rifle's stages of development to Hitler. Rather than being opposed to the entire idea, his apprehension seemed to be from reluctance to send a new weapon to the front in too small numbers. Industry would not be able to replace some 12 million Kar 98k rifles in a short time, and the already strained logistics structure would have to support another cartridge. While the Sturmgewehr required specialized tooling to manufacture it, it consumed less materials and was faster and easier to make than a Kar 98k. Without suppliers to quickly produce components, companies could not manufacture sufficient numbers to replace the Kar 98k quickly. Introducing the new assault rifle in quantities that would not make an impression on the front would be counter-productive. Hitler instead wanted to introduce it on the largest scale possible, which has been misinterpreted as his resistance to new technology.

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>>34131467
Because a platoon of guys carrying 40lb machine guns is a platoon of very slow moving, tired men.

>>34131578
>>34131646
>What is reading comprehension
I'm not saying they should have replaced their small arms with the "40lbs machine guns," (they're 26lbs you idiot).

I asked why no one seemed to look at what the MG34 was, (a select fire FCG with a progressive trigger and roller delayed action) and adapted it to a semi automatic rifle.

>>34131646
>being a faggot that can't hump a M240

>>34131719

The 34 was an expensive, complicated piece of hardware even without miniaturizing it. It was simpler to keep it in the role it was and just build a new rifle which the Wehrmacht needed anyways.

>>34131825
But wasn't most of the complication because it was open bolt and belt fed?

Whats the diff between the stg 44 and mp44?

>>34132092
Mostly nothing. Different designations for the same gun.

Everyone is also forgetting that MG34s are milled and thus more expensive and time consuming to produce. This is why there was a push to the MG42.

>>34131512
>what is the Stg. 45

>>34132147
>a handful of prototypes

Seriously tho, can no one on this board read?

>>34132092

MP is the offical designation

STG is short hand for Sturmgewehr which is the name Hitler called it for propaganda purposes following getting a first hand demonstration.

>>34132121
Wouldn't a semi-auto rifle that's expensive and resource intensive to produce at the beginning of the war have been better than an expensive and resource intensive R&D process for 3 different weapons that saw limited production and use?

>>34132147
>This makes is even more confusing because they eventually went with roller delayed operation with the STG45.

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>>34131467
>MG34
>open bolt
>recoil operated

>assault rifle
>closed bolt
>mostly gas operated (DI or piston)

roller delayed isn't a point OP fag

and by the way,
why do almost all gun designers and gov introduce assault rifle and machine gun(i mean LMG) respectively, if designing assault rifle based on the machine gun is reasonably possible like you say.

>soviets steal the design for the stg44 and with some changes make the AK47
>armalite steals the gas system from the stg44 and puts it in the AR18
>HK steals the gas system from the AR18 and puts it in their G36
>HK puts the G36 gas system in an AR15 and calls it the HK416
>HK416/M27 rifles are now just about the best rifle available

>>34131467
First of all - MG34 is short recoil operated, has rotating bolt etc. It's not roller delayed.

Secondly, the small arms development in NG was hindered by the assumption of engineers(not Hitler) that if you drill a gas port in the rifle, it won't function properly and will have shoddy accuracy. They were looking for gas-operated firearms though, since they were the only thing they knew that allowed to make relatively simple to machine self-loading rifles and machineguns. After they've seen SVT 38 and 40(same guns, just lightened), they've realised that its not a big deal at all and this led to G43.

MG42 was roller-locking recoil-operated but as far as I recall in a little different way than STG45/CETME

STG45 was developed by accident, some engineer has noticed that the simplified bolt of their gas-operated prototype bounces a little and figured out a way to turn the "bounce" into cycling. The STG45 started being produced in mass numbers but it was too late and very few were actually assembled together. The same engineers later worked in Spain and designed CETME, which was adopted in German army as G3.

The biggest problem with 8mm short was always ammo availability btw.

>>34134966
>soviets steal the design for the stg44 and with some changes make the AK47
They changed the way it locks and used different gasblock. The concept was stolen, that's about it.
>armalite steals the gas system from the stg44 and puts it in the AR18
It was originally used in AVS/SVT rifles in the first place.

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>Go back in time.
>bring computer/schematics
>Make 7.92x57 G3
>KamphGewehr
>Watch Germany rekt everyone else.
>Save humanity.

>>34134966
How can this level of autism even be possible? The stg used long stroke. The ar18 used short stroke