Milsurp Bread

I've been playing a lot of Red Orchestra lately and am thinking about buying a mauser. What can I expect out of a yugo m48 compared to a lee-enfield or mosin.

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>>34120540
>yugo m48
>Not a GERMAN K98 or Gewehr 98

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>>34120540
Worse sights, mediocre everything else. They're decent enough guns if you like Mausers.

>>34120540

Slower than an Enfield, higher quality than a Mosin.

>>34120540
Different actions, different rounds, completely different guns aside from all being bolt actions. 8mm has dried up, .303 has been dry, and 7.62x54r is drying up. All will set you back at least $250 with Enfields setting you back the most and Mosins and Yugo Mauser going for at least $250. Enfields are cock on close, Mausers are cock on open, Mosins cock on open.

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New things to put in my things

Reposting for the guy who was asking about the 7.62 Garand in the previous thread:

I don't think Springfield Armory ever made 7.62mm Garands. The NAVY converted some M1s to 7.62, those would be marked "Mk 2 Mod 0/1" though. Also H&R is a different manufacturer from Springfield so...

A bunch of foreign countries also converted theirs to 7.62, so if it has some markings in other languages it might be a re-import from a NATO member, not sure that would make it worth $1600 though.

>>34120547
im poorfag arent the german ones a lot more money?

>>34120661

2-3 times as much as an M48 or M24/47.

>>34120661
>>34120677
I am also a poorfag, didn't stop me from getting a Gewehr 98, 1917 from Danzig fully original for 350 USD.

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The lighting was nice the other day so I dug out my Auto-Nugget for a portrait. The Tokarev family of rifles get such a bad rep due to the huge number of Ameriboos and Wehraboos who shill for the G-41/43 and muh preshuss Guhrahnd. Oddly enough most of those people are angry Burgers who can't afford an SVT and likely will never shoot one. :)

I'm not saying it's better than either of those rifles just that it's a lot better and more innovative than many give it credit for.

Here's a good vid on the SVT-40:
https://youtu.be/SBv7a17ex0E

>>34120661
You can get a Russian capture for around $600

>>34120559
What's the functional difference between cock on open and close?

>>34120769

enfields are the only cock on close guns

it means you face resistance when you finish pushing the bolt forward, but the bolt tends to 'open' itself once you cam the lever up, vs regular action inverse.

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>>34120750
Well I will say it then. The SVT is better than the Garand.

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>>34120803
>Only cock on close gun
What?

>>34120803
>>34120818
SpanishM1916.jpg

>>34120769

Cock on close offers less resistance to the initial turn of the bolt, but more resistance to the chambering of a round. Since more force is usually exerted on closing than opening anyway cock on close is a little faster.

However cock on open can usually be recocked by just turning the bolt, then turning it back, while cock on close you need to either pull the bolt back far enough to actuate the cocking mechanism, or pull the cocking mechanism back by hand.

>>34120750

I would rather have a Garand than an SVT, but I'd LOVE to have (and WILL eventually have) an SVT.

>>34120769
In the end, I think it's really about what action you feel most comfortable with. I personally like cock on open as cock on close seems awkward to me, but again, personal preference.

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>>34120803
My 1895 Chilean is cock on close you newfag.

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I finally had some time and a nice enough day to finally take a nice picture of my Mosin. It has that special bond as my first milsurp my dad got me for $99.

>>34120855

at leaston my 1917 enfield, you are false about needing to 'pull the bolt back' to engage the cocking mechanism. opening the bolt neccasarily pushes it back under tension to the engaging point so you can cam it back down again by pushing

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>>34120540
Okay sights, decent shooting, expensive ammo. Otherwise, they are good enough guns.

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Boys, is there any significant difference in the hardwood and laminate SKS stocks? I have a 51 Tula in her original laminate one, but I like the idea of a hardwood stock, and don't know if they're weaker or not.

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>>34120513
Is this where fellow poorfags hang? I got a question that I'd like to get other anons opinions on.

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Good a place as any. Got a thread going but Noone cares.

Impulse buy. Today. Feels good

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Someone say something about Mausers?

Too bad I need a new stock.

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>>34121517

>>34121443

Nah. Poorfags go to Taurus threads.

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>>34120513

Sup dudes, I bought this M98/48 at a pawn shop last week for $247, and I was curious about some of the markings on the rifle. I'll post some pictures in a minute, but the one im most curious about is a stamp on the ball of the bolt handle. The stamp is of what looks like a sun with rays radiating out from a central circle. It's only partial, with half of the rays seemingly rubbed off by wear

>>34121443

There's definitely poorfags around, so ask away, but there's a fair number of reasonably monied peoples about too.

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>>34121360
IIRC the laminate are technically stronger and weigh slightly more. I'd check yooper johns sks page for a little more info

>>34121663
Ok, just wanted at least one person to respond in a slightly positive manner before I asked. Already posted it in the new /AKG/ thread but I'll summarize it.

Should I buy a used SLR 107FR or a WASR/Finnish M39? I got a hard on for folding stocks so that'd be a thing I'd have to get for the WASR but by then I'll be a hundred or two from an SLR depending on the deal. I also am keeping in mind the rising prices of these Finnish mosin nagants. I currently am a dirty no-guns.

>>34121708
I have both an SLR and M39. Get the SLR.

>>34121727
That's enough of an answer for me. Still planning on getting that M39 down the line though. Think you can post a picture of yours? How's it shoot and where'd ya acquire it from? I am guessing from Classic Firearms.

>>34121708

M39s will probably never go down in price. I would get the M39 and then look for a used SLR to make up the difference.

>>34121708
>all this slavshit
get an AR

>>34121755
Give me a minute to take picture. No I got from the person that sold to Classic firearms, It was a women by the name of Pat and she gave 100% accurate description with multiple pictures. It's the most accurate rifle I own and I say that with full confidence. If you're really itching for some milsurp you can't really go wrong with the M39, I just find the SLR more practical.

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>>34121708
get the m39 because old milsurp is c00l

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>>34121810
thats a beautiful m39 post more

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>>34121782
1/2

>>34121708
I'd buy the M39 and wait for the next shipment of 107s to hit the shelves and drive down prices a little

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>>34121838
2/2
It's a 1942 Sako built on imperial izhevsk, it has a war time stock, bayonet rings, as well as pitting that looks like someone bled on the rifle magazine well and part of the receiver

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>>34121759
Yeah, that is a concern for me but not a big one. I've got a tab on a great deal on a used SLR but some of these guys take too long to respond and that isn't even including the chance that they won't even ship to a different state (IA).

>>34121782
Thank you and sounds like she was great to do business with. The itch I've gotten is 50% long range shooting and 50% russian military surplus that I have an interest in. The SLR does take the cake though because I want a cheaper round and I just fucking love folding stocks for some odd reason.

>>34121838
Thanks again for posting the pictures.

>>34121768
Not really interested in ARs besides Vietnam era style ones. More interested in m14 or Garand rifles as far as American Military arms goes.

>>34121855
Completely forgot that they will have a new shipment since I was originally inclined on getting the 104fr instead. God damn, the waiting game can be too much and that is probably why I am poor right now.

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>>34121837

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>>34120547
>Not liking a factory new mauser for $250

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>>34121837
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>>34121888
She was and it's my second M39 I got from her. The first was a 95%+ VKT I got for like 299 or so. I ended up selling that one though. I want to scope the M39 because of how accurate it is but I don't want to ruin it so I'll probably get another one to bubba. You really can't go wrong with either but you have to consider that M39s aren't really made like the SLR is. I love my SLR too though.

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>>34121929
Super glad you mentioned scopes because that is something I know I will eventually want to do to the rifle. How would one go about adding a scope mount on such a rifle without using a different stock or severely changing the rifle?

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>>34120803
Wat

>>34121969
They make rails that you remove the rear sight and you can mount a scope there.

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>>34120513
some guns that I found in my grandfathers old locker

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>>34121998
and some handguns as well

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>>34120513
Got a 96/11 to go with my K11 and K31. More recently got a sling and cap that were missing for the 96/11.

Even more recently ordered pic related. Some parts store is selling trainer stripper clips loaded with 6 inert brass rounds each for a decent price.

As far as I know the training clips will handle normal ammunition just fine.

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>>34121987
Yeah, I've seen those but desu they look ugly. Would rather not try scoping it if that is the only option available but that would be something I'd have to keep in mind since I would like to shoot farther to continue my interest and improvement in long range shooting.

>>34122018
For long range its definitely doable but your eyes will probably not be so good as a scope. I would get the M39 for fun and long range you can always get a cheap savage which will come with a scope.

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worth 700 tho...

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>>34122040
what?

>>34122083
I am astonished that someone actually bought that armorer's kit. It seems like quite a bit to fork over for spare parts that you may never need

>>34122083
That looks exceptionally nice, anon.

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>>34121066
Brass tabs best tabs

>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/651700580

>lebel in the white

is that normal for lebels? or did Cletus get to crazy with the sandpaper?

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>>34122098
I paid less than they are currently going for. and I needed the parts because the gun wasn't functional when I bought it. I priced out the cost for what I needed to buy piece-meal, and just decided to get the armorers kit. It was a great decision.

OP here. Just remembered something I was gonna add to the post. One of the guys working there asked me where I got the Type 99, he mentioned that when he was younger (he's a white hair) his dad died and left one of those in his closet. The guy, being young and dumb, took it and chopped it up to make a sporter. He knows he dun goofed and regrets it.

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>>34121599

This is the stamp I was talking about. What does it mean?

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>>34122106
Damn right.

>>34120547
>German
>k98
Try again

>>34122040
That's not milsurp

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>>34122345
Our rifles could almost be twins

>>34122421
The internals are.

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>>34122453
I just noticed that... You're right they do almost match.

>>34122345
Fuuuu I need a nugget of such quality

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>>34122579
Troll lgs or gunbroker then

>>34122234
>>34121599

Mauser fags blease help

>>34121150

>expensive ammo

This meme needs to end already. You can get Turk surplus for cheap and use it for reloads.

>muh berdan primers

Big whoop. Just push it out with some water and a dowel.

>>34122461
Doesn't count

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Your collection isn't complete until you can make a rifle tee pee.

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>>34122659
All my rifles are different lengths so my teepee would be lopsided

>>34122634
Portions of the external receiver forward of the trunnion are also milsurp. They are rebuilt from cut receivers. Mine has some pretty nasty weld lines where they welded together the old and new bits.

Can someone advise me on SKS stripper clips. Going to a gun show on Saturday, which ones feed the best? What should I be looking for?
>inb4 >clips

>>34122853

>Not using magazines with your SKS

>>34122905

>using anything but the number matching box mag

Those red star magazines suck too.

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>>34122905
Are you fucking kidding me. She's a 1953 Tula but I wouldn't even do that with a chink SKS

>>34122905
>>/akg/

>>34122931

>Not using an aftermarket 100 round double drum made in your own garage.

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>>34122119

anyone?

can anyone explain this to a retarded milsurp who is craving a lebel?

>>34123259

I've never seen a lebel that stripped before. My bet is the bluing got worn in a spot, and the owner said "fuck it" and sanded the rest off.

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Just picked up my first Garand, It's a 1943 Winchester.

>>34123259
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/651700580
But where was bolt?

>>34123290

Nice. A Garand is high on my list ATM.

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>>34122689
>not having enough rifles from the same country that are the same length
pleb
Tbh, the Berthier is shorter than the Mle 1936s, but they can be used together just like IRL.

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>>34123143
Nice Type 99. Do you know the manufacturer and series?

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>>34122119
>>34123259
It looks to me someone slathered the gun in naval jelly. It wasn't sanded off, that's for sure.

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>>34120750
I own an SVT, Garand, and G43 and the Gewehr is honestly the nicest handling softest shooting of the three. They can just be really prone to parts breakage so they dont make for a great combat rifle.

>>34123610

If you use the adjustable gas plug for the Garand you can make them a lot softer shooting. As made they are over-gassed (by design) so turning the gas down a bit helps.

>trying to purchase a Yugo Mauser handguard
>literally no one is selling them

This is driving me insane. Numrich, Gunbroker, Ebay, and so on don't have them. Where the fuck did they all go?

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>>34123772
Try liberty tree, they usually have handguards

>>34120540
Get a Swedish M96. The finest mauser ever made.

>>34120803

Swedish mausers are cock on close.

>>34121708
>SLR-107

Never... get an FM Vepr.

>>34123872

>have Persian, Argentinian, and a bunch of others
>still no Yugo

Just kill me now.

>>34122611
I'm fairly sure that's a stamp done by some Balkan nation, Albania springs to mind. I saw similar marks on SKS rifles on an SKS identification website. Look around on there and you'll find it.

>>34122853

Try and find BXN stamped ones. Those are Czech and widely regarded here in Canuckistan Land of the SKS as the absolute best quality clips.

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>posting the same pic
>in every thread
>forever

I need to stop buying shit just to be able to post new pics

>>34124054

I need to take a new family pic, also I need to get some pig stickers.

>>34124016
Thanks hoser

>>34124054
>Martini-Henry with spike bayonet
Hook? is that you?

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>>34124113
Sure thing eh

>>34121502
Looks like a WW1 rifle rebuilt sometime into the WW2 standard.

>>34123378

Kokura Late 1941 - Early 1942. Bayonet has a .30 bullet hole through it

>>34120803
Mauser introduced the cock on closed system for the Gew.98. Most if not all mauser designs before that used cock on close.

>>34122853
I just bought a bunch of the cheap Chinese ones and threw away all the out of spec ones. Still cheaper and easier than finding good ones these days

>>34121150
That's a beautiful one. The ones at my LGS were pretty beat, unfortunately

Whats a good cheap one to get in California, I know Big 5 use to sell Nagants but you don't even see those anymore.

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>>34124813
Rguns still has Nagants if you want one

>>34124813
By Nagants I'm pretty sure you mean Mosins, not >>34124897

Big 5 has jack shit anymore. The best value for an original configuration rifle you're going to get is an SKS. Forget about the Yugos unless the flash hider/grenade launcher has been removed from the barrel. Get one on gunbroker or you're gonna be paying a lot of money.

Mausers, especially Argentine, are plentiful and relatively cheap depending on conditions and serial #s. The ammo is expensive though.

>>34120750
Way to project your insecurities bud.

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>>34125859
>commenting on criticism is now projecting

Uhh ok anon!

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1 / 4

>>34121502
Isn't this the rifle that became a shine to clop and shit?

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>>34126934
2nd from bottom is the one not pictured

delivering as promised - i had in higher res but 4chan is being faggoty and says theres an embedded file.

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3 /4

bonus pix for /frogmen/

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no pix yet but im picking up a 3rd variant Smith and Wesson Model 1 tomorrow or saturday

>>34126075
>"If you don't like my gun the most you're just an American/German fanboy whos probably poor and fat!"
>this is what some people consider sound logic

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>>34127069
i love seeing machinery in plastic bags, is it oil coated too?

Gander lowered prices on their guns again today. The berthier m16 carbine I was looking at is now down to 297. Seriously considering buying it, just annoyed that ammo and clips are so hard to get.

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I'm seriously conflicted between buying milsurp, reloading equipment, and a silicon gf

>>34127348
There's no real point in the silicon gee-eff except for the 1-5lbs of material that make up the part you want to run your genitals on. They're not terribly expensive.

>>34127375
b-but I miss cuddling

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>>34127403
>I miss cuddling
This can be your girlfriend tonight.

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>>34127403
find a good woman

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>>34127403
this lass likes to cuddle

>>34121838
Get yourself a proper A1 pistol grip for that M16A1 clone. It makes a world of difference.

>>34127653

I want that pillow right fucking now, along with different variations of it (green with 8mm Romanian Mauser surplus, etc).

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>>34127059
>Chassepot
Too much want.
>>34127069
Too much want.
I bought about 4 clips with 20 rounds of 8mm Lebel on it for $8.
I didn't have enough money left over to buy the other 10 bags of the same ;_;
I could have made a killing on those clips.

Any other Enfield fags here? Need some help with my No1 Mk3.

The ejection is really weak -- instead of kicking cases out, they just kind of fall out of the gun. I just tried replacing the extractor spring to see if it'd make any difference, to no avail. Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?

Also wondering where to get decent forends in Canada. Everywhere is ships to US only or is always out of stock.

>>34128066
Maybe your ejector is worn down.

>>34128066
Check the ejector screw.

>>34128121
I'm going to try pulling the ejector out of my Metford (which actually ejects casings) to see if that works. I just don't want to order more parts and wait two more weeks for nothing.

>>34128127
What could be wrong with the screw causing it to not eject? Too tight?

Anyone ever order from liberty tree?

Don't feel like making an account and have them try to charge $50 for shipping for a sling.

>>34128165
>Too tight?
Not in far enough more likely. It's just a screw through the receiver wall for the rim of the case to hit.

>>34127403

Cats are better cuddlers.

>>34128066
Well, I just tried everything short of a new ejector (Metford ejector didn't even grab the casings) to no avail. Any other suggestions that might work?

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>>34120513
Just picked up this Ishapore a couple hours ago. Photo doesn't do it justice whatsoever, it looks absolutely fantastic.

>>34128386
yank back REALLY hard

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>>34128398
Nice. Date?

>>34128402
Heh.

>>34128398
I will literally give you my left nut and firstborn child for your stock set.

>>34128402
It sort of works. Instead of dropping the casing off the side or on top of the magazine, it kicks it a whole inch and a half towards 1 o' clock. Woohoo.

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>>34128066
Just leave it be.

>>34124307
You would be correct. I think the barrel was made in 1939, so the conversion was probably done around then.

>>34126950
Nope, not this rifle.

>>34128210
Holy shit, I am retarded. I didn't know there was a difference between an extractor screw and an ejector screw. My ejector screw is worn to fucking hell -- you can barely tell it's there on the inside. That's probably the problem.

>>34128609
I have a sporter forestock, I want to restore it to its original glory.

>>34128398
Neato. How much did you pay? Also, you'll have to give us a range report after you go shooting for the first time.

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>>34128429
>Date?
1967.
>>34128471
>I will literally give you my left nut and firstborn child for your stock set.
The raise in testosterone a third but would give me would be awesome, but I'll have to pass. Thanks for liking it though. Btw, is it normal for these to have the English style arsenal arrow stamping on the butt? Because of that and the wood inlet, I'm thinking it was originally an SMLE stock fitted to the zinc (or is it aluminum?) buttplate.

>>34128932
It was 395, which I don't think was bad for the condition.

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>>34128932
>>34128471
>>34128429

Here's a pic taken from a way better camera that the seller took.

>>34128946
>originally an SMLE stock fitted to the zinc (or is it aluminum?) buttplate.
Very probably. They didn't throw out usable parts. You'll find a fair amount of Brit-made parts recycled into Ishapores.

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>>34128989
>>34128965
That is a sexy Pajeet gun. 395 is a fantastic price with those externals, especially if it has a good bore.

While we're sharing, here's my Lithgow SMLE.

>>34129077
Thank you, I'm really excited to have it.
>>34129027
It makes sense. I'm debating on whether to touch up that wood filler or not

>>34129077
Btw, an Aussie EXACTLY like that is what made me fall in love with Enfields when I shot one for the first time as a teenager.

Brazilian Mauser or 1896/11 Swiss?

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>>34129922
96/11 mein neger

>>34128965
>>34128989
395 isn't bad in the slightest. I've actually just recently started looking for one, but haven't found any decent consistent sellers or rifles that are near as nice as yours. Color me jealous.

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>>34130025
Yeah, you don't see a ton of them out there. I feel like I caught mine just in time.

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Where can I find a M1917 Enfield stock? I've been searching for weeks and haven't come up with anything other than a stock that ended at over $400 on eBay.

>>34130141
There's a place called Fox that makes tons of repro stocks, even as obscure as the Steyr 1895 long rifle.

>>34130141
http://murraysgunstocks.com/MilitaryGunstocks.php

>>34129922
Depends on what you already have in your collection: is diversity in your collection important? If you already have some Mausers or even just all turn bolts, I'd go with the 96/11 as an interesting and different addition.

>>34130227
Those are more expensive than real ones

>>34130297
Yes, but real ones aren't totally new.

>>34122622
Turk surplus is garbo and inconsistent as hell.

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I fucking LOVE Mannlichers.

>>34122853
Different anon here To add on to this i bought some ncstar stripper clips and when i tried to feed use them the clip went straight through the guide. Anyone else have this experience? Also are circle 31 stripper clips any good?

>>34130351
I do too. There's a Verguiro (I know it's not a Mannlicher, but close enough) I have my eye on, but I'm gonna be too poor for the next month to justify the purchase.

>>34130351
Pretty hard to come by 2bh. Would buy a couple of them but I done see them

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>>34130410
Is it in 6.5 or 8mm?
>>34130424
They are indeed uncommon (or rare). Shame too, they're great.

>>34130471
8mm. I have no idea how I'd get 6.5×58.

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>>34130516
I think you can form it from 8mm.

>>34121872
>pitting that looks like someone bled on the rifle magazine well and part of the receiver


blood pitting looks different?

not to get in the way of your head canon but blood is quickly wiped off. water is just left there

>>34130588
That'd be cool if I had reloading equipment. Either way, this one is friggen mint and in 8mm. I just have to pray to God no one buys it.

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>>34130057
>>34128989
>>34128946
>>34128398
Nice friendo. Here is mine that I got less than two weeks ago. Actually got it from a Buy/Sell/trade Thread on here. My plan is to just shoot that DAG training ammo out of it. Real Fucking NATO plinking for the cost of shit 9 Luger is a win.

>>34130025
If you get one make sure to check the headspacing on it. The loo's were not the best on consistency with these. I am currently looking around for a 7.62 NATO headspace gauge set that wont break the bank.

>>34123883
Don't you mean Swedish M-38 carbine?

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Newfag here, never dabbled much in milsurp, it seems the number one and two most important parts to check when considering a milsurp is the barrel and the stock, so here's my question: Why don't people just....make them?

New stocks from wood of client's choice, or laminated using modern glues, can even come pre-chopped for fudds, checkering, or unworked so you can apply stains or poly coatings as you like, new barrels that can be chrome lined for better rust resistance and longevity, it seems like such an obvious thing to invest and manufacture but everywhere you look it's all people restoring old stocks, counterboring, trying to pick the best from the (heh) stock of old milsurp. It's not like the blueprints and specifications for making them are lost, or illegal to make is it?

Besides, markings are usually on the receiver, so it's not like you're losing anything "historical and irreplaceable" either, just the parts that go through the most wear and tear. I mean, think about it: for "modern" rifles, it's acceptable to replace parts, I don't imagine people 60 years from now will be counterboring grandpa's AR-15

>>34130827
Because collectors want original stuff and milsurp is a collectors market.

>>34130775
Just as good, but more expensive.

>>34130674
>My plan is to just shoot that DAG training ammo out of it. Real Fucking NATO plinking for the cost of shit 9 Luger is a win
That's a good idea. Nice rifle btw.

>>34130866
>>34130827
And for the record, people so make replacement stocks for the more common milsurp. They're expensive though and won't save you money that you could use to just buy a nice rifle in the first place.

>>34130866
I'd like a new 7.62 barrel for my K98k if it wouldn't be prohibitively expensive to reblue, remount sights, etc.

Wouldn't be worth it.

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What's the consensus on the 1909 mausers that classic has? I have the buying itch bad after being cockblocked out of a deal on an m95 and need to know if it's worth it

>>34130962
No idea, I tend to not even follow them anymore after some of their recent milsurp "sales"

>>34130898
Ty my African-American brethren.

>>34130956
Why not just buy an Israeli 98k? Or reload 8mm?

>>34130674
>If you get one make sure to check the headspacing on it. The loo's were not the best on consistency with these.
Utter bullshit.
There is so much fuddlore on headspace, especially Enfields and even more so for Indian made ones.

>>34130985
whoa tell me what happened
did they jew your shekels or what

>>34130891
The AG-42B is pretty sweet too.

>>34131164
Nothing happened to me, I got my Schmidt-Rubin for 300 from them and never looked back, but some of their sales for 1903s, Enfields, and K98k pattern rifles lately were absolutely asinine.

>>34131081
Not easy to find one AND have the money at the same time. And I worry about the startup cost of reloading equipment.

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Visited a milsurp-centric LGS today (to buy an Arisaka). Pic related was there - never let anyone tell you there's no such thing as cheap milsurp out there anymore. Sure, the stock is broken, but it was sporterized and you'd have to replace it anyhow, and there's nothing wrong with the rest of it mechanically.

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This, on the other hand, is a fucking abomination. For a couple of muh ounces, someone chopped the barrel on this Enfield... an absolute tragedy.

>>34131428
Good luck finding a stock and barrel bands chief.

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Another view of the chopped Enfield.

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Another sporterized Enfield - this one more restorable.

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Sporterized Krag.

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I don't know WTF this one is.

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Or this one, but it's really cool.

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>>34131492
>>34131482
>>34131458
>>34131445

JESUS CHRIST

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Babycatcher.

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They sure have a lot of Lugers.

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>>34131492
that sucks, but at least they gave it a sexy full stock.

I'd buy that if it was $200

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>>34130827
When you buy a collectable you want things ORIGINAL. You also have the same problem as to the question of "Why don't they make reproduction guns:" because it costs more than an original would cost.

Plus, you can't replicate 100 years of patina. That's how this stock has such a lovely reddish color. The linseed oil has oxidized for over a century.

>>34131428
But no one wants trash like that. You aren't even going to find those parts.

>>34131593
>But no one wants trash like that. You aren't even going to find those parts.
>>34131428

Is that a Dutch or Romanian rifle? Portuguese? The stock link I gave earlier has M95 stocks..

>>34131751
The tag says Dutch.

>>34131770
Check that Fox link I posted in this thread: they make repros

>>34131897
>repros
Aren't original. And for the price of that stock and the gun you can buy an original for less. And IIRC Fox is in Poland too.

>>34131968
Bubbas spent the last 50 years chopping up milsurps; we're going to spend the next 50 years restoring them. Repro stocks are going to end up being a part of that.

>>34131968

>>34132031 this anon makes a good point

>>34131118
Do you have proof there otherwise sunshine?

>>34131445
Ill be honest. If that was some kind of neat repro rather than an original rifle I'd say that actually looks pretty cool.

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Finally de-sporterized my 1942 Australian No1 MkIII. Did my best to keep all the parts Australian. The only things that aren't is the stock set, and the rear sight guard.

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>>34132426
Before.

>>34132426
Great job, anon! I approve!

>>34132259
Just do a quick gunboards search on Enfield headspace. It's pretty fucking obvious that's it's fuddlore anyhow.

>>34132426
>>34132446
neat

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>>34132482
Enfields, not Ishapores. Fucking hate when people try to pass safety checks off as "hurr fuddlore". You do what you want. I am checking the headspacing. Some of us don't like looking like Big Boss. Afterall these are the people who put this rifle together.

Also you referring to Gunboards?, The Firing Line?, AR15.com?, SKS Forums? Because if so they are saying that yea you should even though it probably wont cause a problem.

>>34129922

96/11, not as good as the K31, but much more interesting and probably higher quality than a huehuehue gun.

>>34131492

I have a sporterized Krag, restoring it is a project that's on the list.

>>34132446

Not one of the worst sporters I've seen, desu.

>>34132749
>not as good as the K31
That all depends on what you like more. I like how my 96/11 is significantly less chubby than my K31.

>>34124016
>tfw I have almost 240 BXN stamped czech SKS clips
Yusssss

>>34132664
No, Ishapores are just fine. The British wouldn't let them have lesser standards.

Checking headspace is mostly useless. Read Hatcher's Notebook on the subject. Furthermore, almost all of the milsurp calibers specifications have been messed with thanks to SAAMI. Good luck finding one that means jack shit. For instance, the maximum allowed headspace for .303 on SAAMI guages is 4 thousands under what the MOD max.

And as I said GUNBOARDS.

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>>34120513
Is $250 a good price for this SMLE No. 1 Mk III*? I haven't checked headspace or rifling condition yet. The only thing that I find odd are these serial numbers Xed out, what's up with that?

Gun shop owner believes the rifle may be Australian.

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>>34132916
Stock has a bunch of dings but I think it adds character.

>>34132916

$250 for an Enfield is great, as long as the bore/headspace are good, and as long as the stock hasn't been buttfucked (sporterized).

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>>34127034

Damn, those are all in worse shape than mine. Thank you so much for looking, anyway. Sorry to waste your time.

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My baby

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My other baby

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>>34132916
>I haven't checked headspace
Oh lord, here we go again.

But yes, it is Australian issued. It's not the serial number crossed out, but the military district number. The serial number is the bottom number. From the serial number it's not an Australian made rifle, probably an Enfield made one.

Pic related. The military district number on top and the serial number on bottom.

>>34132916

$250 is a really good price for an Enfield IMO. If the bore isn't fucked get it.

>>34127034

So are you selling those still? I'd be interested in that Yugo stock set.

>>34133048
Thanks for the info; I'm new to Enfields. I'm aware of the SAAMI vs British spec debate on headspace; what else should I know about?

>>34130377
help?

>>34132749
A Brazilian Mauser is typicaclly made by German contractors

>>34131446
Springfield sporters has stocks for Dutch 1895s

>>34133373
And the barrel bands? Bayonet lug? All the other metal bits? Also you have to make sure it's the right stock. There were about 15 different Dutch Mannlichers.

>>34133403
They have most of stock variants and a shitload of hardware.

>>34132912
>The British wouldn't let them have lesser standards.

Uhh you are aware when the Ishapore 2A/2A1 were made right? The Brits were long gone by then. Yea I mentioned all of those other forums because they all have threads on this backing my headspacing concerns up.

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I just got a MAS 49/56 for $500. It is in .308. Did I do good?

>>34133594
>Mas 49/56
>500
Eh not bad
>.308
Oh...im so sorry anon.

>>34133594
>>34133734
>>.308
>Oh...im so sorry anon.
At least he'll have cheap and easy-to-find ammo for it.

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>>34133734
What is so bad about it being chambered in .308?

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>>34133577
>Uhh you are aware when the Ishapore 2A/2A1 were made right? The Brits were long gone by then.
And? Find me one that has exploded. It's a very ignorant view to say they are bad just because Indians built them.

>Yea I mentioned all of those other forums because they all have threads on this backing my headspacing concerns up.
Funny, the first thread basically says we don't know what gauge they used so checking one is pointless.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?240970-ishapore-2a-7-62-headspace-issue

Checking headspace isn't really safety check. Firing the gun once will tell you 1000 times more information than a $20 gauge will. Yes, there are those people out there that seem to trust that $20 piece of steel, but won't trust those that put the rifles together for a living. And it's not like excessive headspace will make a rifle explode. Hatcher did a test on this.

>>34133841
Because, it's a Century hack job.

Are k98s hard to find?

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hi

>>34134206
Oh my god, I'm so upset, how could anyone do this.
There's your response, you can go now.

>>34134206
>people make repros
>they decide to make a somewhat modernized variants too
>this is somehow bad

>>34134280
please dont be upset anon

>>34134285
whats bad about it, i just wanted to say hi

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>>34134126
Discounting the fact that it is a caliber conversion, do you think it is still worth it to own? I like milsurp and have been looking for a battle rifle for a while and getting this one for $500 is about the cheapest that I could find a semi auto milsurp br. Are there better options out there for someone looking to spend about the amount of money that I spent to get something similar to what I got?

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>>34133133
unless its sold in the last 24 hours its still at the shop.

what part of the country you in (shipping calc)?

send an email with what you want and your adddress to [email protected] and arrange payment.

Ill be in the shop in the morning so just post on here when you've sent your info and Ill follow up with Tom.

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>>34133009
np. i ended up getting a revolver while i was there.

also they did have a minty 98k stock for $100 before but it sold earlier in the week

>>34135513

Emailed the info to you.

>>34135622
i just called tom, he'll set it aside for you.

>>34135636

Thanks mate.

>>34135234
If you have one of the conversions that work well, then duck everyone else, you're better off for it being converted if it works well.

>>34135833
>duck
Fucking autocorrect

im going shooting with a family member for the first time (i just got a fun) and want to impresss him. I know he has a 1930's german training .22 bolt action. any guesses as to what it is or interesting facts about that era?

>>34128066
>>34128121
>>34128127
>>34128386
>>34128609
>>34128165
>>34128210
>>34128386
>>34128402
>>34128729

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jypkWqzUiZA

>>34135988
you can google it.

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>>34135988
I have this.

>>34136344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h3NnS8KBaE
Fuck me.

>>34136344
hey this looks like that r tard who shoveled a bunch of mud all over some shitty romanian ak and then proceeded to act like AR was a better platform.

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>>34136362
Boo

Hoo

Hoo

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>>34136362
I'm not even going to respond seriously.

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>>34134126
>It's a very ignorant view to say they are bad just because Indians built them.
When did I ever say this?

>Funny, the first thread basically says we don't know what gauge they used so checking one is pointless.
"We don't know something so I guess it doesn't matter." Great logic.

>Checking headspace isn't really safety check...
Ok. Again. You do what you want. "even if it "isn't a safety issue" I don't feel like fucking up something I bought.

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I can't hit shit to save my life :(

>>34136716

Start close, and work your way up from there. Also try using a bench with something to lean on.

>>34136711
>When did I ever say this?
When you said this:
>The loo's were not the best on consistency with these.

>"We don't know something so I guess it doesn't matter." Great logic.
You should read the threat closer.

>Ok. Again. You do what you want. "even if it "isn't a safety issue" I don't feel like fucking up something I bought.
More people have fucked up guns they bought by checking headspace. They buy this perfect example, all matching, including the bolt. Then they check it with a SAAMI headspace guage and lo and behold they find that the headspace is too excessive so they throw away the original matching bolt for some mismatched one.

Again, read Hatcher's Notebook. He has a whole chapter in headspace and why it really doesn't matter. He kept reaming a chamber out on a M1917 someone returned because it had "bad headspace" when it in fact didn't just the idiot didn't know how to use the gauge right. Anyways, he never got that gun to blow up.

The pic you posted clearly wasn't a problem from headspace.

>>34134171

No, they're more expensive than pretty much any other Mauser except for '03 Springfields though.

>>34135234

I would buy it. If you're buying local I would ask for some sort of assurance that it works right, like meeting at a local range to put a magazine downrange beforehand. Otherwise I'd maybe use that as a bargaining point to drop the price a little more, put the screws to them.

>>34135988
Probably a DSM-34.

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>>34136716
Step one: git
Step two: gud

In all seriousness practice and get consistent with form and trigger control

>>34136716
Sight in your rifles properly
>:(
Also get the fuck out

>>34136920
First off. I wouldn't have bought the rifle if I thought it was bad. However from my personal experiences with Indians, and Indians approach to mechanical engineering projects is where my opinion comes from. Also you are aware these are the same people who made the INSAS rifle right? I said some consistency issues, not shit.

>You should read the threat closer.
Yes. I have read that and four other forums on these rifles all saying similar and contradicting things. So one forum doesn't have an edge there.

>You should read the threat closer.
Again. Who says I would be throwing away parts? Also yes you are suppose to check with a 7.62 NATO set and not a SAAMI.

Funny because its what I got when Iooked up "headspace for rifle".

>>34137074
>First off. I wouldn't have bought the rifle if I thought it was bad. However from my personal experiences with Indians, and Indians approach to mechanical engineering projects is where my opinion comes from.
In other words, ignorance.

>Also you are aware these are the same people who made the INSAS rifle right? I said some consistency issues, not shit.
And? A totally different gun. Meaningless.

>Yes. I have read that and four other forums on these rifles all saying similar and contradicting things. So one forum doesn't have an edge there.
That thread has actually armorers who worked on Enfields in the British military. They know their stuff.

>Again. Who says I would be throwing away parts? Also yes you are suppose to check with a 7.62 NATO set and not a SAAMI.
If you actually read the thread you would understand why even that is useless. There are many different 7.62NATO headspace gauges even for different rifles the same country uses. No one knows what the Indians used.

>Funny because its what I got when Iooked up "headspace for rifle".
Improper headspace is always attributed for rifles blowing up, or really any sort of gun malfunction. That picture, like all others are taken out of context. The headspace of a bolt action rifle isn't going to get so out of whack to make a gun blow up, period. The barrel will be worn out long before that.

Furthermore, headspace is as much dependent on the ammunition.

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Just got my first Milsurp, a Steyr M95

>>34137301
I don't see an S above the chamber. 8x50? Is it a carbine?

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>>34137301

>>34137304
>I don't see an S above the chamber.
Look again, m8.

>>34137312
In his defence it's kindof hard to see, but yes it has an S. The action was pretty stiff but I disassembled the boat and lubed it up slightly and it is smooth

>>34137198
>In other words, ignorance.
Yea I guess my experience working with Tata Motors engineers is a pointless one. Good point.

>And? A totally different gun. Meaningless.
Yes. It was something they attempted to build on their own and anyone who has a chance within the Indian military uses anything other than that rifle. Nepalese troops were having catastrophic failures with these rifles. Now. For the 2A and 2A1 redesigned the extractor, the bolt and the barrel. Two of which directly deal with headspacing. Forgive me for being cautious with all the other information I have said.

Finally I have said countless times. You do as you wish. I will still check it.

>>34137312
Damn that is faint. Well still looks good anyways. Is it a carbine or long rifle?

>>34137317
>Now. For the 2A and 2A1 redesigned the extractor, the bolt and the barrel. Two of which directly deal with headspacing. Forgive me for being cautious with all the other information I have said.
There comes a point where you become over cautious. If there EVER was a problem with these rifles you would hear about it as there are thousands in this country and being in 7.62 they are being shot more regularly than your typical milsurp. The chances of you having a car wreck and being killed or injured going to the range is far, far, far, far, far more likely than your gun doing that to you at the range.

It's funny how you'll trust a $20 piece of steel (which most likely tell you absolutely nothing of value), but won't trust actual armorers that put the rifles together for a living. And again, firing the gun once and checking the brass will tell you far more about the safety of the gun than that $20 gauge ever will.

>>34137399
It's a carbine, but I'm fairly certain it was converted down from a long rifle due to the extended ladder sight. C&Rsenals episode on these is fairly comprehensive

https://youtu.be/M820hu5rg6o?t=21m42s

>>34137742
Also if your lurking Othais, fuck you and fuck Ian. You guys are the reasons that 100 year old surplus guns are top of my to buy list

>>34136382
what is this? how much

>>34137871
A Russian contract Winchester. Commonly referred to here as a lever nugget. I paid $2000 for it but they routinely sell for double that or more.

>>34137896
Danm. I'm starting my milsurp collection with some cheaper stuff (not a poorfag, just miserly) but a lever nugget has become my unicorn gun at this point

>>34137896

Someday I'll get one, but it's not this day.

>>34137941

I know that feel. I'm filling out my collection in multiple phases, right now I need an Italian, French, German and Yugo WW2 service rifle, as well as a Gen 2 Trapdoor Springfield, '03 Springfield, 1917, Garand and M14, then I'll be finished with phase 1.

>>34138067
My next pickup will hopefully be a Carcano. I find AH weapons of the war fascinating though, would not mind finding more for a general theme

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>milsurp bread

>>34120513
I want an ishapore so goddamn bad

Do you think there will ever be new guns that look as gorgeous as the old ones, or are we stuck with boxy black plastic shit forever?

>>34138365
Ugly boxy black plastic shit has been the peak firearm development since like the 60s

>>34138365

Well wood is objectively inferior for everything except looks. If you don't like plastic then you're kinda SOL. That said I do think that there's sexy new guns, like I love the LOOK of the F2000.

>>34138365

At least you can always grab an AK with nice wood furniture. Hell, Bakelite looks pretty decent too.

fuck I hate cleaning guns after shooting. Sometimes ill clean them because im bored but this shit sucks

>>34138724
Why are you cleaning them then?

>>34138836
because someone gave me a bunch of surplus 8mm

>>34138724
Not loving cleaning your guns is haram

>>34138862
Its a 2 hr drive to the range and im very tired not even going to clean the ones I shot factory ammo through

>>34138867
Find a closer range, or don't live in a city.

I'll buy them off you for half price if it's that much of a burden for you.

>>34138900
ok deal

Ill sell you both my kar98s for a grand

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Milsurp related: I'm in the process of refinishing an M1 Carbine stock (Firearm itself is 1943, Inland Manufacturing, but is a Frankengun of late and early war parts.)

I was able to stain the stock and handguard just fine, but when I applied tung oil to the stock, it started to smell horrible. I recently used that same exact can of tung oil while refinishing a Garand, and had no notable smell, much less a horrid stench. Any ideas as to the cause? I sanded off much of the oil coat and am going to try again. Pic related

>>34138944
bubba get out

>>34138947
He's not modifying it and it seems that some parts don't match with each other, reducing its collector value.

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*kills self*

>>34139027
I'm not modifying it at all, you are correct. In fact, even the stock and handguard are mismatched: the handguard is walnut with two rivet holes (early war feature) and the stock is some indeterminate wood with a larger palm swell (late war feature.)

All I'm doing is fixing up the finish, but it's been an unfortunately slow process.

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>>34120513
Bought a mosin for my girlfriends graduation present she wants to know more about it what can u guys tell us?