Shitman tank

>>34119558
Probably because they arrived late to the war and then had to ship it halfway round the world.

Never underestimate an enemy.

>>34119558
Dude, it was the BEST medium tank of the early war. Do some research.

>>34119558
Okay, I'll give you that. >we got our shit together with the Pershing and Chaffee, though. After the war our tanks were top aesthetic, too. The M46, M47, M41, M103, and, to some extent, the M48 were top aesthetic.

>>34119558
~50 ton crane weight limit

>>34119558
>Why couldn't America do better

The Allies won that war and suffered very few casualties in the process.

>>34119576
>Probably because they arrived late to the war
That didn't stop them producing excellent ships and planes so why tanks?

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>>34119558

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>Was there ever a more beta-looking tank

Wait, I got this.

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>>34119639
hold my birra

>Crew stuff their uniforms with spaghetti to protect from spalling

>>34119651
That looks quite formidable.

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>>34119558
It was very effective in its weight category. Its armor was comparable to the T-34 and superior to the Pz IV, and its armament was capable of dispatching any German armor with the exception of heavy tanks and the Pz V "medium" tank. The later series of 76mm HV guns were capable of defeating the "cats" at range (and this is not taking into account the 17lbr that was in British service which made an earlier appearance).

This is to say nothing of its ease of maintenance and few man hours involved in constructing an M4. That and its almost like comparing tanks that have a weight disparity of over ten tons isn't a good comparison at all.

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>>34119558

>can't be a beta if your tank won the war.

>>34119701
It wasn't.

>>34119558
It was THE most comfy tank of the War. Crews can even stand up in them due to being roomy. German and god forbid, Russian tanks had shittily designed insides. I forgot which one, but one German tank even had the drive train built near the driver seat so that the driver had to sit askew when driving.

>>34120146
sherman also had a front mounted transmission that ook space from the interior.

But otherwise, yeah

>beta-looking
>cucked
>won the war

I smell a wehraboo

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>>34119558
>Implying the Firefly was beta

>>34119627
During the interwar period the shipping and aircraft industries were alive. The aircraft industry less so but orders from France and Britain revived the industry and geared them up for the war economy in time for the entry into the war. Meanwhile there was no domestic american tank industry and there was zero interest or competance in the army relating to using tanks.

Flag waving aside, the Sherman was pretty terrible but at least it had the benefit of being the last ones into the war and learning from the mistakes of all the other countries. At least the revisions came thick and fast. When the M4A3 rolled out most of the weird, lazy and horrible design decisions were mitigated or removed.

>>34119558
Battle of Arracourt

>>34119926
I don't think that's a tank being strafed. It looks like a horse-drawn carriage to me.

>>34120530
That's the joke

>>34119701
t.pasta

>>34119558
Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY

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>>34119558

America was too busy raping and pillaging their way across Western Europe, Africa, and South-East Asia and the Pacific Ocean to completely redesign their tanks to look cooler in front of a second-rate dictator every year.

>wehraboo calling other people cucked
>implying germany isn't the most cucked nation in history

>>34119558
>egg shape cast hull

Is there any tank uglier than this? Even Lee look better.

>>34120563
I mean it looks formidable. It isn't, but it looks the part.

>>34120620
Iirc the cast hull shermans didn't last very long. Were replaced by the m4a1, m4a2, m4a3 by the end of WW2

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>>34120620
I'll agree that the cast M4 is by far the worst hull type, but come one; the cast M3 looks like someone left it out in the sun and it melted.

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>>34120698
There weren't as many of them, but asside from the early pilot models pretty much all M4 hull types saw service throughout the war.

>>34120146
Can't forget Russian tanks cutting the loader's legs off.

It looks like an egg from above lmao

We could and did build better tanks. But the shermans ease of manufacture and Amy doctrine slowed that down.

>>34120710
That tank looks like a tank that's mounted another tag and is trying to mate with it.

>>34120698
the A1 is the cast one but yeah true
they served until the end of the war and some even longer tho

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>>34120530

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>>34120791
Pic related. Somehow the Israelis made it look not crap.

>>34120349
why is there exhaust smoke coming from the air cleaners?

Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>34119558
Dude. I think that without that tank we'd never have Metal Slug series

>>34119558
>No wonder it got cucked by the big cats so much.
Except it didn't.
The cats generally got their asses beat so hard by Shermans it was actually pretty embarrassing.

>>34120507
Seconding this
A Panther heavy force was annihilated by Shermans.

>>34119890
that plus the ford gaa was 1000x more reliable than whatever porsche piece of shit was in the back of a panz

>>34120710
we dont even have the ability to cast shit like that anymore, once bethlehem steel went tits up. now we fabricate [read: welding] everything.

>>34121950
maybach

>>34120821
Everything looks better when ya stick a massive cannon on it.

>>34120530

Shut up retard.

P-51s were superb tankbusters.

>>34119616
>The Allies won that war and suffered very few casualties in the process.
I'll assume you mean the Western front.

>>34121965
RHA is superior to cast anyway, so whatever.

>>34124462

Cast hulls were a step up from the riveted hulls the M3 began with, but there really isn't any reason to cast in this day and age. Makes me sort of wonder what a cast Abrams would look like.

>>34119558
>won the war
>beta

arracourt best day of my life

>>34124437
>I'll assume you mean the Western front.
implying the russians were allies.
kek

>>34119586
>Sherman
>Early war
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>>34119616
>The Allies won that war and suffered very few casualties in the process.
>3 millions casualties on the western front
>very few

>>34125707
Well then allies never particiated

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>M4A3E2
>cucked looking

Getdafuckouttahere

>>34126382

>Including frogs surrendering in casualty figures.
>Before USA was even in the war.

Nice try

>>34119558
>mocking the literal best tank of the war
Kek

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>>34120530
No it's a Tiger you fucking retard.

>>34119890
Don't forget much better crew ergonomics and comfort.

>>34120146
Just watch every German and US chieftains hatch episode.

>>34120710
>cast
did ww2 industry have problems with making RHA sheet steel in the .5-2in thickness range?

>>34120530
So the aircraft was strafing a supply vehicle then.

>>34119558
ITT: Girls and Panzer

simple reason: lobbying.
cadillac & co. had some generals in the right positions on their paylist. these companies wanted to make money. and the sherman had rather high development costs. so it took a while, till the army had enough of their own men calling it a Ronson and the krauts calling it a tommy cooker, until they finally got an up to date design with the pershing.

>>34119558
I think it looks cute.

dont underestimate the power of its paper thin armor: jerry shells flew right through it without exploding. saved many lives. at least those who werent in the direct line of fire.

>>34119639
When the big gun moves up and down does it look like its waving?

>hello there friend

>>34120983
It's because that's where the exhausts are on a Sherman firefly.

>>34126700
I don't see T-34 in his post

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>>34126732
No, it's more a fact that there were foundries that existed that could do it.
And it was also thought that the complex shapes of casting would improve armor profile to improve ricochet and save weight.

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>>34126959
Cast armor shapes get me hard

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>>34119558
The newer Shermans looked alright.

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>>34119586

Funny way to write T-34.

>>34126743

More like an unfortunate farmer, but otherwise yes.

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>>34119558

nigger you what
take your wehraboo fudd lore and gtfo

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>>34127793
it honestly could of been a military target (though its impossible to tell of course) , horses where still used for logistics all through the war

>>34127768
fuck you and your shitty tank

>>34127768
>took until 1944 to get 3 man turret
heh nice tank kiddo

>>34120574
>implying germany isn't the most cucked nation in history
That would be France, however looking at the current state of Germany, it might as well be.

>>34127768
can you even aim past 300mts on that?

>>34128437
Germany has existed as a united nation free of foreign occupation for less than a 100 years. Germany as a state has literally never won a single war.
Germany is the prototypical cuck country

>>34126338
Early war as far as the US was concerned, I imagine, so Africa.

>>34126959
Those complex shapes were awful and pointless. The turret had zero thought put into it beyond
>make it cylindrical
to the point the right cheek had paper thin armor for no reason. The hull, especially the front was just a mess that did not take advantage of being cast.

There are good reasons for casting, but the way the Sherman was designed, none of those reasons were involved.

>>34127768
>*Breaks down after 10 miles*

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>4 Shermans = 1 Tig-

>>34119558
because numbers and speed mattered more in the bloodiest conflict in human history. Germany's big tank obsession did them a disservice.

>>34121839
yeah thats why he lost.

>>34119586
pretty much.

>ease of repair
>what is sloped armor in the front
>numbers
>not getting BTFO by CAS

winrar winrar

/thread

>>34126822
like anon said,
>mocking the best tank of the war.

Shermies get shit on for no reasons.
They weren't heavy tanks. When they first fought in Africa they were better than what the Germans had.
They were outclassed against heavies but they weren't heavies, so...

>>34125420
Can't have cast Abrams due to the Chobham armor.

Look at M60s.

>>34126780
Neither Cadillac or GM had anything to do with the Sherman development. Chrysler was the most involved with Sherman production

It triggers youngsters to know that Shermans actually blew up, because the Abrams is such a superior tank. But WW2 was literally the last time we fought a war with an enemy that was able to fight back somewhat effectively. In other words, it was a real war where losses are inevitable.

>>34126821
no, as stated those are air cleaners. the engine exhaust is not routed back through the air cleaners

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>>34119558

>name tank after General who was infamous for burning entire cities to the ground
>said tank had a habit of incinerating their crew when they caught on fire due to using a modified aircraft engine

What was it? Some kind of sick joke concocted by Dixieboos in the War Department?

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>Shermans ate Panzers in Africa
>Shermans ate Panthers/Tigers in France/Italy/Germany
>Shermans ate T-34-85s in Korea

>>34133946
Those were monkey model T-34s

>>34133921

This makes me pine for an alternate history book where the North and South fought each other with tanks in addition to everything else. Just a warehouse of Lees and a warehouse of Shermans ploped into each others' territories, no questions asked with a load of gasoline and ammo.

>>34133921
>Falling for the engine fire meme.

Majority of Sherman fires were from ammo cooking off, which was common across all tanks in the war. The problem pretty much disappeared when the Army started implementing wet stowage.

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>>34133967

Just fanfic the Southern Victory series then. But uncuck it by having Fuhrer McSweeney gas the Mormons as it was originally intended.

Maybe for the sake of lampshading, add Anne Frank or some other notable Holocaust victim as a POV character, just enjoying a fairly /comfy/ (at least by WW2 standards) life in Europe, expressing their shock and horror as reports of the US Government's "Final Solution to the Mormon Problem" get out.

>>34133981
How did wet storage work.

I mean, I get the concepts but not the mechanics. How did they make the ammo retrievable but not have water go everywhere?

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>>34133947
>there were export models in the mid to late 1940s

>>34134042
Basically, the newer Shermans moved the ammo out of the turret and into the floor of the vehicle under the turret. They then surrounded the storage area with water jackets, so in the event of a penetration, the water jackets would be punctured and douse the ammo, preventing cookoff.

>>34134102

Must've made for one helluva mess, albeit less of a mess if the ammo actually cooked off

>>34134102
Ahhh so the ammo itself was not wet. I assumed it was dunked in water.

Neat. Thanks anon.

>>34131827

Jesus Christ

>>34134039
Seriously, I really liked most of it, but Turtledove was way too blatant with Featherston. Didn't one of the covers straight up have an American Swastika?

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>>34133947
>Thinking there was a T34 that WASNT a monkey model

Dude, T34 were monkey models from the very beginning til the end

>>34135554

it's just a good (partially) solid tank

>>34131827
Obviously it was a level 99 Sherman against a Level 1 Tiger.

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>>34135499

Yep. That's why the whole Mormon conflict plays such a major role in the first several books despite the fact the Mormons' role in American history is generally ignored. Turtledove was setting up a believable scenario where American hatred of the Mormons would reach the point of genocide, representing the final corruption of the American psyche that began with their defeat in the Civil War.

The fight for national survival and revelations of the horrors of what /pol/ was calling the "Mormocaust" back in October were supposed to be what finally broke the spell of the racial conflict in the CSA and led to massive social reform post-war.

Unfortunately, Turtledove's publisher thought it was too edgy and demanded he rewrite it. That's why the Featherston/Hitler analogy is played so blatantly straight it's embarrassing.

It's a shame too. Mormons and European Jews pre-WW2 have a similar history and the theologies have a lot in common so the parallel would've made sense. The Freedom Party's plot to exterminate close to 40% of their own population on the other hand is strategically nonsensical.

Turtledove also wasted a perfectly good opportunity to as I mentioned earlier to parallel the actual Holocaust by featuring a prominent victim of it's reaction to the same thing occurring in another part of the world. Anne Frank for instance being pen pals with a Mormon girl who is murdered along with her entire family by the United States in a concentration camp. Anne being so moved by her plight that she not only names her own children after the girl's family members, but arranges to have their correspondence published and becomes wildly popular in the post-war Confederate States as a result. Thereby being elevated to great fame as she actually was, but with the tragic twist of what was her father's role, caretaker for the dead.

And yes, there is a not so subtle Swastika on the cover of The Center Cannot Hold.

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>>34135499

One more thought.

It also would've been interesting if Featherston still wound up becoming President of the CSA, going down in the story as the South's national savior, leading it through it's greatest struggle reforming what was doomed to become a stagnate society, and helping to put an end to one of the greatest acts of mass murder in history. But as he and General Patton tour the liberated U.S. concentration camps (again, paralleling how future President Eisenhower and Patton visited Buchenwald concentration camp together) and look upon the scores of dead men, women, and children, Featherston reflects back on his childhood as the son of an overseer and can't help but wonder if he might've been the perpetrator of such a terrible crime had circumstances been different.

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>tfw you mount a 122mm gun on a Sherman.

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>>34137498
yougoslavia did a lot of strange shit like that

>>34133921
Also, the British were the ones that coined the Sherman name. The US just used the M4/M4A1/M4A- terminology.

>>34139224

Any idea on why they went with Sherman?

>>34139224
They also did Lee, Stuart and Jackson didn't they?

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>>34119558
Being able to do large scale casting like a civilized country feels good :^)

>>34139406 >>34139328
Yeah, they also gave the Lee/Grant its monikers, and the others. It just helped to distinguish from the tendency for the US to give the M-series to a lot of our equipment. We had an M2 Light Tank, and M2 Medium Tank, the M3 Light Tank (The Stuart), the M3 Medium (Lee), etc. So giving them actual names helped tell them apart.

As to why they used the names of American Civil War generals, no idea.

>>34132526
powered by ford. most have ford gaa engine.

>>34120166
Transmission in front protected crew and when your crew survives it means the new or repaired tank they crew will be better than the one with the newbie crew.

This is interesting:
https://archives.library.illinois.edu/blog/poor-defense-sherman-tanks-ww2/

https://theartsmechanical.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/was-the-us-army-really-stupid-during-ww2/

Artillery and Tanks

Looking good is not a method to win anything but beauty contests

The Sherman had a lot going for it but the best thing was ease of maintenance and reliability. Who wants to carry gun that only works 75% of the time?

https://theartsmechanical.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/german-tank-manufacturing-strategy-in-ww2/

>>34129863
>the
What about the Boxer and Herroro Rebellions?

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>>34119558
the Sherman was an all around pretty good tank but for the role it was made for I think it is hard to argue that it was really that good.

Given that the allied forces using it (namely the Americans) were in a position where:

1. They were on the offensive and needed tanks capable of breakthroughs through well defended areas. Instead the Sherman struggled with breakthroughs being vulnerable to just about every weapon in the German arsenal, often at significant range and often having to multi-task in the role of dealing with armor and hard points while failing to excel at either, forcing the allies to make new models better designed for either one role or the other. They often needed overwhelming air-support, artillery and infantry support to make significant gains failing to materialize as the highly dependent, mobile and decisive armor corps that Germany and Russia had.

2. The army for which they were designed (the American army) had a significant combat experience deficit and lacked the same motivations to fight that the Germans had. This made there comparative lack of protection in the face of fire a even greater downfall, leading to significant and well documented morale problems among the crews who had to use them.

On the other hand heavy tanks like the IS-2 and Panther were capable of withstanding the hardship of breakthroughs and instilling fear and respect in there enemy's. Basically the lack of a strong breakthrough tank to supplement the Sherman's was a serious flaw in allied logic. while everyone is comparing tanks based on weight, what they should be compared on is there role, and the Sherman was (on top of its other duties), expected to fulfill the role of breaking through; and this is where it fared very poorly in comparison to other nations tanks designed for the same purpose.

>>34133947
Ah yes, the good old it wasn't specifically manufactured by Soviet Union on Soviet soil by Soviet hands owned by pure-blood Soviet workers argument

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>>34140302

How much did the Sherman's drawbacks contribute to the loss of Allied battles that might've shortened the war such as Market Garden or Hürtgen Forest?

I'm curious to know if it could be argued that the decision to rush the Sherman into production and not augment it with a heavier breakthrough tank may have accidentally prolonged the war and inadvertently contributed to the deaths of millions of people whose lives might've been spared if Nazi Germany had been brought down as little as six months faster.

>>34133947
Meems aside, the issue was partly lack of Nork gunnery practice due to shell shortages, and partly the clearly superior optics and crew awareness you get in a Sherman.

>>34119558

we literally just had this thread

>>34140885
Market Garden was an airborne operation.

>>34140302

>this is what the wehraboo tells themself

>>34141584

An airborne operation which failed because the tank forces tasked with relieving the airborne units failed to break through in time.

>>34141589
nice (((((((((((((((((((((argument))))))))))))))))))))))))) you've got there ameriboo

>>34141594
No, it failed because it relied everything going perfectly on time for the Allies.

It required the capture of two major bridges, intact, in broad daylight during the opening hours of the operation, otherwise the entire thing was doomed to failure. Failing to capture any one of more than six smaller bridges would severely delay the operation and throw the whole thing into jeopardy.

There were a lot of issues with Market Garden. The Sherman was not one of them.

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>>34119890
>>34120349
>>34120720
>>34126462
>>34127542
>>34127809
>>34133946
>>34139435
>>34140302
>>34119558
>Ameriboo's will justify forcing there tank corps to use inadequately armored and armed Sherman tanks to spearhead armored break throughs.
>on the other side of Europe poor Russian peasant's with little value for life were given this..

JUSTify that

>>34127542
Sherman "Jumbo" .

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>>34119558
How about the Swedish S-tank
>Fixed gun aims via hydraulics for greater beaners and ricer inclusiveness
>Includes complete duplicate driver position at rear of tank for a swifter retreat
>May be fitted with front excavation blade which - together with the hydraulics - allows it to dig itself deeper into the dirt

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>>34142533
>wow, tanks get knocked out.
whats with this American meme of if it can get knocked out its shit. Also ironic given that you're defending the Sherman tank of which more were knocked out then the total number of Josef Stalin's produced combined.

get learned faggot:
During one of these battles, near the settlement of Târgu Frumos, a single IS-2 was damaged and later examined by General Guderian himself, whom concluded that the “Stalin” was worth of its name. “Do not get involved in a fight with a “Stalin” without overwhelming numerical superiority in the field. I believe that for every “Stalin” we must account for an entire platoon of Tigers.” Any attempts by a single “Tiger” to fight a “Stalin” one-on-one can only result in the loss of a priceless war machine.”

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_IS-II.php

>>34135554
Is air conditioning, comrade.

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Why didn't they ever sent this abroad? It was the American answer to the IS series and could have easily matched the big cats.

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BOB
SEMPLE
TANK

>>34143515
Because they were too heavy to be shipped over by sea due to very few ports having cranes powerful enough carry them, and by the time they were ready, the war was already over.

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>>34119558
>Was there ever a more beta looking tank?
Well yes. *sips tea*

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>>34119558
>Was there ever a more beta-looking tank than the Sherman?

>>34125420
Russian tanks still have cast turrets.

Casting allows for cheaper production

>>34134039
>add Anne Frank or some other notable Holocaust victim as a POV character, just enjoying a fairly /comfy/ (at least by WW2 standards) life in Europe, expressing their shock and horror as reports of the US Government's "Final Solution to the Mormon Problem" get out.
That'd be just like Turtledove, she'd end it off by saying something ironic and painfully on the nose like "Wow I'm glad that could never happen to Jews here in Amsterdam otherwise I'd have to hide in the attic hahaha". Like that one time he had Nixon as a literal used car salesman.

>>34144439

Exactly,

I think he actually did do one story featuring Anne Frank, where she survives the war and winds up being an arthritic 80 year old complaining that her grandkids are spoiled don't pay enough attention to her.

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>>34144439
>That'd be just like Turtledove, she'd end it off by saying something ironic and painfully on the nose like "Wow I'm glad that could never happen to Jews here in Amsterdam otherwise I'd have to hide in the attic hahaha"

It would've been painfully funny if Southern Victory Anne Frank wound up doing a book tour in the CSA and a group of Confederate officers are so moved by her describing how her Mormon pen pal in >>34137147 suffered and ultimately died that they gift her with one of their old regimental flags as a keepsake.

The liberal rage would've been off the charts

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Looks good with applique armor to give it a more rigid look.

I just wish WoT wasn't already death rattling

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>>34140302
Shermans performed perfectly fine in the breakthrough role, and markedly superior to the Panther. Its just that the Germans went for such hilariously overpowered guns in order to deal with the Soviet monsters that literally no tank could feasibly be protected from them. Even an IS-2 could be knocked out frontally by a PaK 40 (the smallest anti-tank gun still in regular use by 1944) at around 300 meters, or longer with subcaliber ammunition, to say nothing of the larger and more exponentially more powerful PaK 43's that could do it out to nearly 1.5 kilometers. Even the later marks of the British Churchills were getting knocked out in droves by those guns, and they had 15 cm frontal glacis plates and turrets.


If you want a breakthrough tank capable of withstanding firepower like that, you need something with 20 cm of well sloped armor that goes 10 miles per hour, weighs 100 tons, and breaks every bridge it looks at. That's not going to be capable of being shipped overseas, nor is it practical in Western Europe with its thousands of cramped roads, thick forests, tiny 300 year old bridges, and massive swaths of muddy lowlands.

You mistake the cause of success behind Soviet breakthroughs. It was the stupendous amounts of artillery that were key, smashing those anti-tank guns in their dugouts and suppressing their crews long enough for the tanks to advance over them. Even then, they still lost nearly half of all IS-2's in just a year of front-line service.


This is of course, totally ignoring the weaponry used after 1943 aboard Soviet Tanks. The 85 mm D-5T tank gun was inferior in penetrative performance to the American 76 mm M1A1 and M1A2 guns, as was the F-34 when compared to the 75 mm M3. Soviet armor piercing shells were so poorly constructed that the actual physical penetrative performance of the 122 mm D-25T used by the IS and some ISU models more closely matched that of the 75 mm l/70 used on the Panther and Jagdpanzer IV. And the D-10s was similar.

>>34147006
>I just wish WoT wasn't already death rattling
don't play it, but think it has done a good job of getting people interested in tanks. why is it dying?

>>34147331
typical Free to Play game transitioning to Pay to Win

First premium ammo, which costs the real life money currency or the grind-for-this currency, went from having lower damage/velocity in exchange for better penetration to now just being flat-out better than the regular ammo

You'll be using skill and angling to block incoming shells only to have the other player just load premium rounds and trivialize you even having armor in the first place

The company that runs the game benefits from selling this premium ammo either through direct cash purchases or by taking away your precious free currency that takes a while to accrue

There's also other things like balancing the game to favor only really heavily armored tanks now in order to get players to buy more premium rounds to penetrate said tanks

There's also premium tanks that are just outright better than other tanks of their tier that you can earn without spending any money

>>34147788
I've been along for the ride for about 5 (?) years now (whenever it launched from CBT). I've done clan wars for 3 years, ranked battles, strongholds, watched historical battles crash and burn, seen three different artillery reworks, etc.

The game hasn't changed in terms of P2W. It's been around since the first premium tanks were launched. The days of the Type-59, the Ram II, the Churchill III, the Pz. B2, the Mini-Maus, the T-14, the KV-5, the E-25. etc...

You used to only be able to buy premium rounds for real money, now you can do it for regular ingame cash. Thats the real issue IMHO. Gold rounds used to be used just for Clan Wars or when you kept a few (like 3-4) loaded for situations where you needed to hard carry or got up-tiered really badly, because they cost you real money to use.

Now of course it has come full cycle with them overbuffing armor to compensate.

I think the game will continue to live on perfectly fine for at least a few more years, the population is still massive on EU and RU, and NA has remained stable for about three years at this point. I just hope they can continue improving the game now that arty has been fixed properly, instead of losing sight of making a fun game in favor of more money.

>>34147912
pieces of shit in E25s and Defenders would still spam gold rounds in random battles even if they were only sold for cash

>>34144354
Hey, to be fair it has potential: front engined/drive+very sloped armor=early IFV?
Use welding, thicker steel, bigger gun, beefier suspension, and an expanded cabin and it's a mini-FV432/merkava...

>>34120530
Fucking newfags every single time that's posted.

>>34119558
>beta
>cucked
Fuck off with your 12 year old buzzwords.

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>>34121965
Factually incorrect. The capability remains, but is not used due to modern armor not relying purely on steel thickness, and modern arrays working better with rolled welded plate.
The last cast vehicle was the M60, though Chrysler (who operated Detriot Tank Arsenal as in pic related) had a cast turret base for their XM-1 prototype.

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>>34144354
Tankettes are the omegas of the tank world, anon.

>>34134120
Any mess the cleanup of which is less than rebuilding the tank from the ground up is preferable to an ammo cookoff, which renders the vehicle an irrecoverable loss.
Though it turned out later that the real advantage of the wet stowage racks wasn't the water but rather the location of the ammo. Ammo which is hit by a penetrating projectile tends to go up in flames. By moving the racks to the bottom of the tank, the hit rates on them were greatly reduced and consequently survivability increased- from a roughly 80% 'burn if penetrated' chance (comparable to all other tanks, 82% for Pz 4, ~78% for Tiger IIRC), wet stowage Shermans had a ~19% chance of burning out if penetrated.
Combine that with the excellent hatches on a late Sherman, and the tendency of US double base propellant to fizzle for a while before burning, and you find that the late Shermans were the safest tanks to serve on. (And that's before you account for the better optics, layout, and equipment improving chances of getting the first shot off and consequently winning the engagement without being hit.

>>34143589
>Chinlets- when will they learn?

>>34139626
And Mustang, and Wildcat... almost every common name, especially early on.

>>34127008
>File: Com_C26-023-002.jpg (78 KB, 1000x815)

how does that shit even stay within anything resembling tolerances?

>>34140302
Combat experience deficit? Umm what?
Compared to to who? Soviet crews that usually had only a trained TC or effectively garrison German tankers because lack of supplies meant the only time driving their tank was going to a battle (with a high chance of breakdown)

>>34133947
Sherman had best crew compartment, best optics, best battlefield awareness and the best mobility. NORK T-34s were better than the ones the Russians fielded in the war.

>>34119926
Did the horsie died?

>>34121839
I can count at least three things he did wrong.

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>>34123342
>P-51
>tankbuster
what is a P-47

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>>34142629
>is2m
>1950s modernization
>Berlin

but hey, let's ignore how obviously stupid you are from that and instead focus on how stupid you are because of this:

First off, as we've been over a dozen fucking times; the US faced strict weight constraints, as all of our tanks needed to be shipped across the Atlantic and offloaded in foreign, often not heavily industrialized ports (something you should know about, considering how many we sent to Russia so save their sorry slav asses)

Second, the US had no need for such a heavy tank; a reliance on aerial and highly nimble armored forces bombardment meant that the Western Allies could bypass major defensive lines as the Germans had earlier in the war. We developed vehicles to fill the role, but between not really needing them in the first place and being busy rolling through western Germany by the time the war ended there was really no point (pic related). To their credit, the Soviets DID need a good assault tank, and the IS-2 was adequate. That being said, it was an assault tank. It's ability to combat other tanks was heavily limited by poor ergonomics and a habit of carrying very few AP rounds (unlike the SU/ISU-152, the IS-2 could not as reliably hurl 122mm HE at a heavily armored target to kill it.)

In short, you're comparing apples and oranges. You may as well be comparing the Sherman to an Elefant.

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>>34150103
The Horsie is fine, the shot bounced off of its horse armour

>>34151968
>Line up attack run
>50cal API-T loaded for fucking up jerry trucks
>Spot horse and go for it
>Strike's horse's skull at >70 degree angle
>"That one bounced!"

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>>34151968
what a relief

>>34151968
The horse's light construction meant the bullets just passed through dealing minimal damage.

>>34131827

My guess is this was a crack Sherman crew.

Even then, however, that is still a damn impressive day's work.

>>34139747
>repeatedly citing Belton fucking Cooper

Your link is trash.

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>>34142109
Im sorry can you repeat that, having trouble hearing due to the thousands of slavshit tin cans cocking off in the background.

>>34150025
Standard casting tolerances. All contace areas are then honed, and believe me the honing devices for cutting the turret rings are a thing of beauty.

>>34143515
This predated the IS series. The armor also sucked on this with it having 80+mm i the front only.
The T29 was the true answer to the cats and the IS.

You can tell who the idiots are, they ignore things like logistics and reliability in favour of raw combat power.

>>34152327
why does everything have to be done with cute littel girls in anime?
seriously its like theres something wrong with those people

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>>34155993
What's wrong with cute anime girls?

>>34155993
Cute girls make everything better.

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>>34156226
my nigga

>>34147788
Premium rounds never exchanged damage for penetration and the only rounds that were slower were HEAT.

>I'm bad and don't know how to angle or how normalization mechanics work

Typical of a shitter tbqh.

>muh premier tanks always better

That's only the type 59 because wargaming has always been shit at balance and now that it doesn't see tier 5s and perm ammo for credits is a thing it's fine.

Holy shit, people that whine about WoT never bring up legitimate complaints and always focus on muh prem ammo!

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>>34155993
Because cartoon loli, that's why.

>>34119651

>all dose rivets

Mama mia

>>34142109
easy to put resources to land cruisers when your navy only has a handful of actual cruisers

>>34156391
Chrysler GK. Defender. Patriot.

>>34142556

>cucked
>designed for hull down ambushes and hit and run tactics against a numerically superior enemy
>hurrrr Sweden cucked lel

>>34143536
the semple is alpha as fuck
>after i fuck you up Im gonna go plow some shit because i can

>>34155809
5 inches frontal on the planned production M6's. the M6A2E1 was 7.5 inches.

>>34139626
>As to why they used the names of American Civil War generals, no idea.

Probably because it was the only really notable war in American history where we weren't feeding the Brit's their own cocks.