Bundeswehr

Strap every refugee with a bombvest and drop them over literally any warzone.

>>34107898
Reinstate Prima Nocta.

>>34107898
Remove Merkel

Heinleinism

>service guarantees citizenship
>would you like to know more?

>>34107898
Give them more money/funding. Double or triple the personnel.

>>34108002

>he still thinks Heinlein wrote SST unironically

Pleb please...

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>>34107898
first this >>34107989
then stop scrapping perfectly fine weaponry, increase the number of soldiers, buy nukes, make sure there's enough ammo and that the army is combat ready
also what I've heard is that the training isn't hard enough, but I don't really know if that's true

>>34108011
And of course reinstate prussian military tradition and values.

>>34108035
implying Heinlein didn't commit a double irony of being right, even though he was being ironic.

universal suffrage is a mistake. especially around loony leftists.

>after the Cologne New Years Rape Incident. the female left wing mayor of Cologne blamed the victims, and then she called for letting the rapefugees vote in local elections.

>>34107898

>merkel says europe must find its own destiny
>europes main armed forces in france and germany are complete trash

like pottery

>>34108111
UK and France are the main military powers of Europe. Not counting the Russians.

France's military isn't bad, and the UK's is pretty good. They also both have nuclear weapons.

Germany has a military smaller than Poland.

>>34107898
Have a military force invade Europe. They will quickly either lose all their shit or get someone in charge who knows what they are doing. Libs will reign no more. Glorious 4th reich.

>>34108149
the average german male 18-35 is more likely to protest the russian tank rolling by them, for being homophobic; than pick up a carl gustav and try to fight the russian tank.

>>34108161
maybe in the large cities, not in the countryside

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Remove the Germans, deport them all to Kalingrad, send the refugees and Turks back to Turkey, and repopulate the now empty space with Poles. Greater Poland will take care of itself.

I wouldn't. I would instead bring in more refugees and watch this cancer of Europe die.

>>34108135
>polish military
>relevant

All their gear is outdated garbage. At least Germany has moden equipment.

>>34108041
>buy nukes
Nuclear non-proliferation treaty

>>34108111
Please tell us why our army is bad ?(French)

>>34108161
if there's even a grain of truth in this. it's only because the last two world wars have killed off most all the naturally occurring courage.

>>34108230
because americucks especially trump supporters don't understand a single thing about europe and just spout dumb memes. he literally knows nothing about the french military, or likely any military for that matter.

>>34108215
fuck

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>>34107898
Nuking Berlin would be a start.

>>34107898
>Wanting germany to have a huge army

Yeah, because that turned out soo damn well the othr two times...

Germany isnt as stuck in the past as the UK or US,they know sanctions are the way to pressure countires,not guns,so there is really no need to improve the Bund.

/pol/ memes are strong ITT.

>>34108276
They just said it's time to improve it though.

>>34108276
US has a long, long history of using sanctions to wage economic war.

Germany is interested in improving the Bundeswehr because of the perceived Russian threat.

>>34108011

Personnel numbers are pretty low on the German list of priorities, numerically their armed forces are comparable to the French or British but without a blue water navy or nuclear deterrent. Germany needs more quality and deployability first. They have a garrison force not an expeditionary force.

>>34108230
It isn't, it's the best in Europe imo. Fourth best on Earth but it's a tight contest. Keep modernizing your Navy frogboi.

>>34108242
>because eurocucks especially Merkel supporters don't understand a single thing about America and just spout dumb memes.
ftfy

>>34108276
>they know sanctions are the way to pressure countries not guns
>had to be dragged to the table when everyone else in the west wanted to put trade sanctions on russia following all the crimea shit.
no they just don't care about anything beyond the economy now

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>>34108161
not completely true. Why would anyone fight for a country, which does not honour you service. A Government which is more concerned about old Wehrmacht songs then their ageing equipment and training does not inspire confidence. Why put your life on the line when in the end you will probably get in trouble if you sing the wrong song.

>>34108267
Time for you to go. Fucking hate summer...

>>34108267
Summers already here?

Fuck.

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>>34108208

>At least Germany has moden equipment.

Doesn't mean shit if your soldiers are shit and your politicians hate you. Fancy toys only go so far. Germany is like the mallninja of Europe.

>>34108084
>after the Cologne New Years Rape Incident. the female left wing mayor of Cologne blamed the victims, and then she called for letting the rapefugees vote in local elections.

source?

>>34108035
Doesn't mean he wasn't right.

>>34107898
send them home, spend the money on a PMC if need be

>>34108327
Hans, bitte. That's what I mean. There isn't the need to build full blown super carriers or have a military of 6 million strong , but some kind of LPH/LHA/LHP woulde be nice. All in all, a larger and functional Navy, Air Force and Heer would be swell.

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>>34108463
forgot pic

>>34108208
Modern gear didn't save Germany in the 40s, it won't save them now.

>German
>Military
HAHAHAhahaha.
Haha.

Alright guys listen, I know you don't like /pol/, but here's the facts:

>The german populace and the politicians do not see the need for a better army.
Which is strictly speaking true. It's unlikely russia will attack; it's even more unlikely they will attack germany. The negligible risk that russia will take the baltics is just that - negligible. We're much better off spending that money on appeasing the refugees and maybe keeping the eurozone together for a little bit longer.

>They also wouldn't recognize a good army if they saw one
Few of the active politicians were even in the army. They don't understand the actual requirements, or the many soft factors that make an army a capable fighting force. Their idea of improving it would be too buy more tanks and create more job positions. Which won't help, because

>They wouldn't get the manpower even if they paid better
Germans are, by and large, pacifists; the more educated they are the more so. They are also by and large not inclined to join an army with all the bullshit that comes with it (and the german army is rich with bullshit right now).
We don't have a jobless underclass that could make the grunts because these are mostly either too retarded even for the army or already have jobs. We don't have people that would join to pay for college and raise the average intelligence in the army because college is free. We don't have clever people (=people with options) that would become officers out of patriotism because people are not patriotic any more and those that really are might wonder wether the bundeswehr would be the place to express that.
The only (potential) way out of that one would be the reintroduction of the draft, which... well, see point 1.

>>34108366
the discussion is european militaries americuck

>>34108472
>40's germany
>modern gear
I didn't realize that having most of your supply lines being operated by horse is considered modern in the 40's

>>34108267

idiot

>>34108469
>German Navy
NATO navies are already way stronger than any possible opponent. We should downsize all those pointless little european navies, let the US and maybe the brits handle power projection and focus on land forces against russia.

>>34108471
does she have an IG?

>>34108486
>Which is strictly speaking true. It's unlikely russia will attack

Apply that to the eurozone and then wonder why they don't want to instantly make their defense budget over the 2%

The only real reason they might do it is if NATO dissolves and then find themselves in having to compensate for all the neat things NATO gave to the stability of the world.

Otherwise, the irrational desition is increasing defense bucket if you do not intend to give it a heavy use.

>>34108276
7/10 troll, two real replies

>>34108495
Well, the situation of the Bundeswehr is actually very akin to that. We have new and fancy equipment, but it's very limited and does not work very well (G36 is fine though).

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>Build time machine
>Go back to 1989
>Preserve more of the NVA when Germany is reunified
So many trained soldiers and officers simply dismissed, so much intact and maintained equipment destroyed or given away, so much tradition lost.

>>34108608
80's Russian equipment is worse than current German gear. It's not like they've got people to man the equipment.

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>>34108628
Some of the T-72s and aircraft could be kept as reserve for a little bit. Not the best tanks or planes in the world but all the supplies and men were there to keep them running for a bit. Bolsters numbers and provides training until domestically built stuff exists in sufficient numbers.
Plus the Eastern Germans were working on an AK derivative that could be produced in 5.56 NATO but it was cancelled (along with the G11) in favor of the G36. Which has since had problems.

>>34108215
Germany is a paranuclear state they can have nukes in a year.

>>34107898
>let germans speak their minds
>what do you know, 90% of them hate muslims
>let the ethnic cleansing begin
>inspire all europeans to do the same

>>34108608

If it wasn't enough hard already to uplift a nation that was economically decades behind the absorbing one, to keep an army that:

>Was based around the idea of tight military structures and numbers
>Would require spare parts from Russia
>Was one of the reasons the wall fell in the first place

They had to do it, not even militarily made sense since the money you could get from the scrapts could be even reinverted into your own functioning army(which didn't happen, just to point out that even getting a small fraction of worth was a better idea), socially would have meant that people would still see AK and t-72 around with all the shitfest implied, politically NATO would have raised many questions about this desition(Poland is the exception, Poland didn't had the money nor a huge reserve of western equipment already there)

They kept the Mi helicopters because they worked and were very versatile and they threw everything into the trash since it simply would have been a big annoyance and there were other priorities.

Also, the threat of the big Russian bear was in all time low, reducing defense budgets was the logical next step.

>>34107898
Tell the men that each man who kills fifty Russkies/Poles/Danes/Frenchies get a medal.

>>34108608
>>34108663
>Trained soldiers
You do realize it's almost 30 years now?

>>34108405
>>34108434
I have been on /k/ since 2011 tho.

>>34108499
no u

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>>34107898
Would anyone currently in the Bundeswehr like to comment where the difference between infantry Feldwebel and Officers is when it comes to combat?

I have a bachelor which makes Officer sensible but at the same time I am worried I will end up behind a desk when all I want is to be at the front fighting (if that doesn't sound too edgy).

Are officers (Zugführer perhaps) directly involved in the fighting? Do they fire their weapon or just delegate?

Any advice / stories?

Is there really a right-wing culture or is that just liberal hysteria?

>>34107898
Spend at least 2% of Germany's fucking GDP on it.

>>34108267
WWI was the fault of the Entente for backing Serbian terrorists who had just murdered the Kaiser's cousin in the middle of the street.

>>34108663
The Russian gear was pretty garbage. The only thing they had that was more advanced than WG tech was the R-73. Keeping the gear for any period of time would have meant big standardization problems, selling it was the right decision. And the G36 doesn't have problems. And G11 was a program with plenty of issues that was never considered to be a standard service rifle, that's what the G41 was for, also canceled by reunification.

>>34108870
>WWI was the fault of the Entente for backing Serbian terrorists who had just murdered the Kaiser's cousin in the middle of the street.

if you want an entity to blame for ww1 blame Carl Von Hotzendorf and Austria-Hungary with their ridiculous demands on Serbia. Even Germany thought they were insane.

>>34108900
the demands were intentionally like that, it was an ultimatum because they wanted to invade serbia.

blame Russia for backing Serbia despite massive internal strife and Germany for offering unconditional support to Austria-Hungary.

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BW needs to go back to using the Walther :^

>>34108663
The StG-940 series is really fucking dope, I wish they would have at least explored it further. There's rumor that DE sold its extra receiver flats to Romania shortly before the SAR-3 began production.

>>34108791
newfag cutoff is 2007

>>34108208
Not the gear that's the worst part, it's their current politial leadership being bugfuck insane.

- They have spent the last couple years basically gutting their own command staff and replacing them with political stooges, which amongst other things has caused more than a third of their special forces operators to quit the army in disgust because of just how utterly useless their new CO was. Like, we're literally talking about throwing out people with decades of training and experience and full NATO clearances etc. for guys who sometimes haven't evne received clearance to access classified information by the Poles' own intelligence service.

- They've slashed maintenace and training budgets to the bone, and cancelled a large number of equipment contracts. Which for example means polish airmobile units have not even enough helis to provide effective SAR in the Baltics anymore, and their most modern air defense weapons are goddamn upgraded S-125 NEWAs. (Last time they actually tried launching one of those antiques in a training exercise, it immediately turned around and hit the ground twenty feet away from the launcher; only reason there were no deaths was because it carried a dummy warhead.) But hey, it's not all bad. They got a big number of israeli Spike ATGMs... except nobody but special forces and a few airborne units are actually educated in how to use them, and nobody is allowed to train with them because that'd be too expensive.

Cont.

>>34107898
first off, those fucks need to shave.

>>34109062
Cont.

- They've just created a fifth branch of the armed forces (besides air, land, sea and special fores), the Territorial Defence Force. These are made up of reservists with 20 days of training/year in a weekend system. Which basically boils down to them getting a neat uniform and learning how to look deent in a photo-shoot. They supposedly are to be the first and last line of resistance and groundwork for an insurgency to resist invasion. Everyone involved below the highest levels is basically laughing at the sheer comedy of it.

- Meanwhile, they've spent tens of millions of Euros to "strenghten the catholic foundations" of the forces, which mostly means a lot of stupid propaganda shit. This was declared the absolute priority of the defense budget by the polish MoD.

Seriously, at this point you're hard-pressed to tell wether Macierewicz (the current Minister of Defence) is a russian agent or jsut outright that delusional.

PS: It's now the official statement of the polish government that Kaczyński's plane crash in 2010 was caused by the Russians detonating a thermobaric weapon near his machine as it was coming in to land. Yeah.

>>34107898
I will take a German or French soldier over any other european unit for a war.
If you want to see a nightmare, take a look at the Belgium army.

>>34109062
>>34109103
In other news, Poland took part in the Strong Europe Tank Challenge a few weeks back, bringing their Leo 2A5s. They ranked dead last, even behind the ukrainian guest team with their T-72s.

>>34107898
Those aren't Germans, where are their kufi prayer caps?

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>get rid of the 40 hours week
>lift the spending of the GDP from 1,2% to 2% up
>remove americanised uniform, reintroduce NVA/ Wehrmach uniform
>build housing for soldiers near the barracks or in the barracks
>Soldiers with childrens or which wish to be are moved to a barrack near their relatives
>all WW2 Songs are allowed, those which have Nazi ideology content get rewriten
>closer relationship with allies


>mfw grüne mad
>mfw linke mad

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>>34108789
>You do realize it's almost 30 years now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L740ESYghT0

Yes... sadly I know.

>>34107898
Restore German militarism. With the current political environment though there's no way for that to happen. Given that half of Germany thinks even Merkel is too militaristic and right wing, there's no way to unfuck it. It's just a matter of restoring their military culture and getting funding where it's needed/any funding at all.

>>34108809
1.They are kinda, one tour of duty in some shithole is mandatory for most officers. You can get involved in some fighting, but normally you just sit around in the base.
2. No.
3.Liberal Hysteria.

>>34109335
Why are you so concerned about the housing? Sleeping in the barracks is just fine, that's what they're made for.

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>>34109387
cmon man elaborate! Can an Officer choose to stay in the field for longer? Do you have any idea how the roles are divided with special forces (KSK?)

>>34108188
kek amigo

>>34107898
T-t-they a-allow beards?

>>34108495
this is actually the most important post in the thread. my mom's best friend's dad was an officer in the Wehrmacht and he always said the failure of their supply lines cost them the war

>>34108276
Hier is your (you)

>>34109441
Yes, why not?

>>34109428
I really don't know, I'm currently applying myself, just got a few buddies who are officers, but none of them are KSK.

>>34107898
For starters they should exploit the goddamn potential of their arab/african immigrants, extract info from them about their lifestyles back in hell, give them the task of training the forces in order to be admitted as second class citizens and deport them back if they fail, once you have deported more than th 40% of lazy kebab and dindus you can expect the units they were in charge of to sort themselves.

>>34109465
Alright man thank for the input though. What are you applying as?

>>34109480
The whole thing is that their country don't take them back. As the general opinion is against throwing those people in boiling lava, they fill refugee camps and prisons.

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>>34108471
>that memetek D3CR

>>34107898
Just keep the G36 instead of opting for the abortion that is the 433, stop issuing the MP7A1 to NCOs and Officers, and give them a carbine variant for God's sake, increase the size of the Heer from 60k+ troops to around 100k+ with the Joint Medical Service increased to 30k to supplement the already growing ground force.

>>34109481
Officer, but I don't know which branch, I have an appointment with an Karriereberater though.

>>34109599
Well, we also have the Reihnmetall-Steyr 556, so thr 433 is not the only alternative to the G36.

>>34109335
>those which have Nazi ideology content get rewriten
lmao

>>34108486
So 1500 years later you ended up in exactly the same situation as the Romans were in, right before your barbarian ancestors destroyed their empire.

>>34109662
I'm talking about something like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmimOw8P-0

Which is completely forbidden to sing.
Just cut out the Sieg Heil and the Stalin,Churchill, Roosevelt part and its fine.
They did it with the SS song but they can't do it with this song?

>>34108809
>>34108809
Not (yet) in the Bundeswehr but I will try to answer:
>I have a bachelor which makes Officer sensible but at the same time I am worried I will end up behind a desk when all I want is to be at the front fighting (if that doesn't sound too edgy).

Seiteneinsteiger finden mit ihrem Abschluss im Großen und Ganzen nur in Spezialverwendungen, wie dem Geoinformationsdienst oder der Militärjustiz Verwendung.
Als regulärer SaZ13-Offizier verbringst du fast immer vier Jahre an einer Bundeswehruni und machst nen Bachelor- und nen Masterabschluss in irgendeinem Fach.
Officer candiates who already have a degree will use it normally only in some special MOS like the geographic or judical branch.
As regular 13-year contract officier you will practically always spend 4 years at military university and get a bachelor and amaster degree in some subject.
>Are officers (Zugführer perhaps) directly involved in the fighting? Do they fire their weapon or just delegate?

Du wirst auch kämpfen aber der Hauptfokus eines Offiziers ist die Führung seiner Soldaten und viel organisatorisches Zeug, sollte es keine technische Verwendung sein in der Abschluss nötig für den Job ist.
You will fight too, but the main point of an officier is to lead his men and deal with organisational stuff, shouldn't it be a technical MOS in which you need the degree for the job.
>Is there really a right-wing culture or is that just liberal hysteria?

Definitly more conservative than average and fairly few lefties.

>>34109111
What's so terrible about them?

>>34108700
>fight 20% of your own population
>a population that consists of mostly young men (20-45 year bracket) while the average age of your own population is 54
>thinking you'll win

Germany doesn't have the manpower to win against it's Muslim minority in a fight.

>>34107898
Give the rooskies the green light. Germans will get their shit together then or never.

>>34109103
Well it's not like the Russian army is much better. It has few contract based special ops units, some Chechen mercs they use as cannon folder. It's ok for low intensity interventions like Syria and Ukrain but if you think that they are even building their conscript army (one year of service where only the most poor and stupid villagers are drafted and mostly don't seexa real weapon during their service) for a conventional war you are mistaken. No one outside of Asia is seriously preparing for a conventional symmetric warfare because it's not a viable scenario.

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>>34109441
Yes, we're pretty liberal in regard to beards:
https://www.asmc.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/Bundeswehr-Gefreiter-F-Afghanistan-300x200.jpg
http://media201.zgt.de.cdn.otz.de/0064C017_5AD73F76BE590AF838C664B6F35343D3
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d8/cb/a8/d8cba830ce2d0e3718ad9eb32d68f816.jpg
http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/h25641/erbil-iraq-23rd-sep-2016-bundeswehr-soldiers-and-kurdish-peshmerga-h25641.jpg

>>34109735
Lowest morale and discipline in all of Europe.
Luxemburgish military, so we work A LOT with other units, especially Kosovo and more recently Afghanistan.
Had over the years only few firefights, but enough to never trust a soldier trained in Belgium. Those fucks ignore any basic training.
Friendly folks, but not worth the gun they use.

First Remove Kebab from the Army
Expand its size to a million of white men.
Send all the military surplus weapons to sale on the civilian market, so we can have a militia in case of need.
At least 3000 tanks.
At least 600 choppers and 1000 jets.
Increase the size of the navy to a third of the U.S Navy.
Proceed to remove kebab and make a second Ribbentrop Pact, this time being honored, the germans get prussia back and germany gets free hand to recover former german territories in poland in exchange russia has free hand to recover the former soviet territories.
Develop a force of 1000 nukes.
Also of remove kebab from germany and bring back prussian military traditions.

>>34109831
How's the life in a 900-men army?
What's your rank?

>>34109735
Hey danke für die ausführliche Info.

I'll continue in English for others who are interested.

When you say pecial MOS, I am interested in applying with the target of Kommandooffizier (commando officer), and the recruitment team in Calw (KSK) said I might be able to join with a higher rank and a shorter contract time. Do you know anything that suggests this might be bullshit?

What are your plans in the Bundeswehr?

>>34109335
>tfw two thirds of the German national anthem are banned

>>34109882
using the Nazi-Boogeyman is the easiest way to weasel out of any problems

>>34109891
yeah but there's not even any reference to them in the first place
they got beaten so hard they went full SJW because apparently saying you care for your country makes you evil

>>34109934
thats why the Green-Party is struggling mad as fuck and gets blown the fuck out currently and the Lefties are doing it because they have nothing else

Mandate that the O&M costs for any weapons system adopted by the German military be mandatory spending rather than discretionary, so that the congress can't underfund things.

Start appointing career military men to be Minister of Defense instead of political hacks.

Ban women from every part of the service other than the medical corps.

Issue strict bans on any kind of racial, religious, or national preference in any military-related field.

Send troops into peacekeeping operations, purely so they have some experience in shitholes with people shooting at them.

Purchase F-35s and bomb the shit out of anyone and everyone who gives us problems.

Adopt the G11.

>>34109862
Can't complain. Better than most armies that's for sure. I just wish we would finally trash our old rifles. Crap Aug.
Was Corporal at that time., but I'm currently undergoing special training for a higher rank.

>>34108035

I think you're confusing the movie for the book friendo

>>34109877
>>34109877

>When you say pecial MOS, I am interested in applying with the target of Kommandooffizier (commando officer), and the recruitment team in Calw (KSK) said I might be able to join with a higher rank and a shorter contract time. Do you know anything that suggests this might be bullshit?
I dont't have slightest clues about KSK recruitment.

>What are your plans in the Bundeswehr?
After I finish my Abitur (HS degree) next year I will try going Air Force EOD/ (Feuerwerker, either as an officer or NCO.
I hope I will pass, cause the failure rate in the basic eleven month Ordnance technician course is >75% mostly due to academic and technical stuff.

>>34109111
> he would take a French or German over any other
> forgetting that Britain is one of the biggest contributors in NATO, one of the least degraded, has many elite forces including the only force in europe able to conduct brigade level amphibious ops, and a lot of combat experience across all branches
> forgetting that the head of the Bundeswehr said that even if he had unlimited budget it would take 10 years to get the Bundeswehr in any decent shape
> forgetting that they cant fly helicopters in case they break because they have no spare parts
> forgetting that German infantry units had to use broom handles instead of rifles on a training exercise

Whatever youre smoking, I want some

>>34109978
Very good points except for the ban of women (why, granted they meet the physical standard?) and national preference (soldiers should be german citizens, shouldn't they?)

>>34109111

Except the German soldier wouldn't be allowed to shoot his weapon until he was shot at, or to fight at night.

The difference is that nobody expects anything from the Belgians. It's a small country whose military tradition mostly consists of being a battleground for its neighbours. Whereas Germany is the most populous country of Europe, by far the biggest economy, and has a great martial history. Today there is no doubt that the German military is well behind France & the UK in both the capability and will to fight.

>>34109978
>>34110221
Also, why adopt the g11?

>>34110157
No, the broomhandles were actually replacements for mounted machine guns on our APC's.

>>34110009
Sergeant,officer or higher ranking corporal?
What's your occupation in the army?

>>34109784
Evne the Russkies aren't retarded enough to put a blatant political stooge in charge on the Spetsnaz and then saddle them with so much bullshit that a third of the force up and quits.

>>34110249
Im not sure if thats better or worse..

>>34110157
Britain isn't part of Europe anymore, anon. They left that sinking ship.

>>34107898
>get rid of Merkel, seriously, ship her off to a deserted island or something
>get rid of the hard left progressiveness of the rest of the kraut government in favor of a good mix of actual liberals and conservatives
>meet and exceed NATO requirements
>more joint training with allies
>increase revenue or find things that can be safely cut to allocate to defense spending and keeping shit up to task
>stop putting fucking middle eastern goat fuckers who hate them over their own people, germany ought to care about germans first, their allies second, fucking stone age goat fuckers not at all
>kraut version of the second amendment and encourage youth marksmanship as well as hunting

>>34109808

probably one of the few redeeming qualities.

>>34108082
>not reinstating 3rd reich values and traditions

what happened to /k/?

>>34111033
It recognized that 3rd Reich values and traditions were about ideological purity, political maneuvering, and party loyalty. Not the things you want running your military culture.

>>34111074
you dont want your soldiers to be loyal to the reich?

>>34111237
I'd rather have them loyal to Germany.

When the military is more loyal to a party than to the nation you turn into a third world dictatorship.

>>34111248
no you turn into a 1000 year reich

>>34110221
From what I understand, militaries in the developed world have a very difficult time integrating women due to how easy it is for them to claim sexual harassment or discrimination if anybody in charge of them uses any kind of military discipline.

In addition, it costs five figures to put somebody through basic training, and it's not worth it to train a group of people where only <20% can meet the male standard.

Renegotiate the
>Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany

>>34111284

no, you get shit on in a handful of years, demolished, partitioned, and thoroughly raped by subhuman slavshits. So basically that thing that always happens to Germany happened to Germany.

>>34111916
That only happens when the world declares war on you and you have to fight to survive

>>34108450

Fuck you. I worked with the German army in Afghanistan. You'll never meet a more professional soldier.

Their politicians so hate them though

>>34112188

which there is a fuckload of historical precedent for.

See: the entirety of recorded history.

>>34112314
so why would it have mattered who they were loyal to the jewish bolsheviks wanted germany destroyed anyways they just needed a good allaby

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>>34107898
surrender to France...

>>34112303
Did they wear ties? Because if they didn't I'm calling bullshit.

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New defense minister

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>>34108663
>dat pistol grip
So is that where I.O. Inc got the idea of that shape from

Anyone else get the feeling that Germany and it's leadership still knows a thing or two about kicking ass despite their deliberate "disarmament" over the last few decades?

>>34107898
get rid of the Muslims in your country first.

>>34113240
No, all their strength is in economics now

Germany holds the EU together, financially

>>34109707
>They did it with the SS song
???

>>34113172
lost it

>>34113240
lol no. Germany is one of the most beta countries in europe. Leadership from ww2 are all dead and the only vets are mostly too senile to lead anything. The country has also made a point of replacing competent east germans with more 'progressive' candidates in the government and military. When the inevitable culture/race war breaks out in the next few decades ethnic germans will struggle to survive let alone "kick ass".

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>>34113172
this would have been Hillary's SecDef.

Michele Flournoy, Obama's Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. Married to Obama's Deputy Secretary of Veteran's Affairs. Michele is an Art and "international relations" degree holder.

>>34113172
The Polish MoD looks like he should be leading a cult somewhere.

>>34113557
I am 90% certain he's actually a mob boss. He's probably seen a man kill three people with a pencil.

>>34112719
>Germany kills itself by attacking the USSR and declaring war on the US

THE WORLD WAS AGAINST US

>>34108035
Heinlein himself wrote that he stopped writing Stagger in a Strange Land to write SST as an excise to clarify his political thoughts.

Heinlein had some profound political changes after he married Virginia.

Go read Heinlein's Expanded Universe. ISBN 0-7434-7159-8

>Don't confuse the movie with the book

>>34108499
Failure of their industrial base really. Germany mobilized into full watime production far too late to make up combat loses from the Eastern Front idiocy.

That and they were bled to death for manpower...

>>34113504
>Art

Are you really this fucking stupid? She has a "Bachelor of Arts", generally referred to as a "Bachelor's Degree". She doesn't have a degree in Art (though tbf, her undergrad was in social studies, which isn't much better).

Her BA is from Harvard and she's got a Masters in IR from Oxford.

Pretty nice pedigree desu, though she has absolutely no practical experience and has spent almost the entirety of her career as an academic and political appointee.

>>34114452
She wanted to have the us occupy southern Syria.

Now, why just south?

Hmmmmm

>>34110221
Even when women can meet the standards, their rates of injury are much higher than men. Their bodies are just not made for it

>>34107898
get a proper state of defense minister than this ugly women who don´t even fucking worked in the bundeswehr

>>34110715

>The EU is Europe

So i guess norway and swizerland aren't european countries eihter?

>>34110332
I'm pretty sure it's to do with the movement of weapons between countries, dude.

Every single vehicle, weapon, radio etc needs to be checked and approved to move from X NATO country into Y NATO country for exercises, etc.

As ridiculous as it seems, it's very possible that an entire APC can be approved for entry, but mounted weapons/machine guns aren't.

I work in the ADF and I've seen this happen a few times. It's just the way the media spins shit dude. If you're trying to paint the Bundeswehr as a shit fight, naturally you are going to report it as a case of lack of resources rather than what it actually was; a simple administrative fuck up by idiots behind desks (often civilian contractors).

>>34113557
Well he's certainly crazy enough for it, the way he's pushing the whoe Smolensk conspiracy theory like he wants it to become a national religion.

>>34114396
I liked the movie, it wasn't until I was watching it with a bunch of drunk progtards that I realized they were trying to cast the government/military in a negative light.

>>34113271

Grüne Teufel and SS marschiert in Feindesland are almost identical in lyrics.I dont know which came first tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWS9MsT_-bs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJjhgpTZ24

>>34116166
Both were around in WW2

>>34114823
Nope. Only EU nations are real European nations.

>>34116276

that is clear,still doesnt answer which is the original.

Anyone have those embarrassing German Boot Camp webms? I want to think that the German Army trains like the US Army and trains the infantry and non combat jobs separately

>>34118275
Many times songs like these were introduced simoltaneously, like "schwarz ist unser Panzer" and "grün ist unser Fallschirm".

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>>34108161
while there are lots of nu males in Germany we also have the most anti-Russian press in Europe. IIRC Germany has 6k anti Russian articles a year in the news while the 2nd place is like 2 k or 3 k. they are not popular at all. muzzies on the other hand would be welcome.

also Germanys nationalism / superiority complex is still very strong it only shifted to moral superiority.

>>34113172
>MURRICA

god damn fucking yanks

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>>34109776
>20%

>>34108188
Poles are trash. Just look what they did with perfectly fine farmland germans cultivated over centuries. Its all a swamp filled with debris from construction sites, household trash and soviet era vehicles.
Poles can't even take care of themselves.

>>34109776
>20% muslims
Kek are you some sort of uneducated neocohen drumpfite or why do you lack the willpower to google simple facts before you post.

>>34119019
>Just look what they did with perfectly fine farmland germans cultivated over centuries. Its all a swamp filled with debris from construction sites,

Could you link something about this? I'm interested

A german court just ruled against General atomics and their complaint against the plan to lease armed drones from our greatest ally.
>German court dismisses General Atomics suit over Heron drone order
>Judge Heinz-Peter Dicks said the ruling was effective immediately and meant that Germany can now procure drones as it had planned.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18R2D3

>>34119063
>drumpfite
I thought the term was drumpfkin?

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>>34113172
>“What keeps you awake at night?” CBS “Face the Nation” host John Dickerson asked Mattis.

>“Nothing,” a stonefaced Mattis responded. “I keep other people awake at night.”

>>34107898
We have already found the Final Solution to the Bundeswehr problem.

But we must always be cautious about combining German cold efficiency, love of industry and innovation, and war.

>>34108276
Are you high, the World Bank and US dollar are basically economic WMDs and we use them at the drop of a god damn hat. We alter entire foreign economies on accident when the Federal Reserve makes minor announcements.

The US has a LOT of ways of making any globalist economy hurt very, very badly.

Probably scrap it. Germany is ruling Europe without having fired a single shot :^)

>>34108002

That was literally taken from Mein Kampf, the only difference being that Heinlin used the same model for both genders and Hitler said that women should gain citizenship from marrying male citizens. (Also that economically significant spinsters could be citizens without getting married which is, if anything, more generous than Heinlin's citizenship model.)

>>34122343
He was trying for Switzerland.

>>34113172
That russian hat is /fa/ af, credit where its due.

>>34122343
Oh the horror. A society run purely by merit. Where the only discrimination is between citizen and civilian. Even then civilians have all the rights citizens do, except for the vote and ability to hold public office.

Most citizens were from services that built and ran the federation. The military was a small handful of citizens. Only required military service to be the head of state.

Please, save me from that.

>>34122464
And don't forget that they have to find somewhere for you to serve if you wanted. It might mean years of peeling potatoes, but they will find you a place.

So it's not like their was any real change in the average politican's IQ.

>>34122464

I never said it was a bad thing you dingus.

>>34122320
So the next time Germany falls, so too will the rest of Europe?

>>34122890
When has Germany falling not taken out the rest of Europe?

>>34122508
National Service was to test your ability to be responsible for something.

anyone too stupid but physically capable, would be sent to a mine on some moon.

the blind, counting hairs on a caterpillar by feel.

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>>34118743
>be russian
>Shillary is likely going to win and screeching about muh russian aggression everywhere
>our military have no illusions about fighting against whole NATO and preparing to denounce INF treaty if she wins
>well, fuck, we all going to die in nuclear fire
>Trump wins
>oh, maybe we are not going to die after all
>Merkel is trying to be Hillary number 2
>...

So is it totaly /pol/ and summer /k/ now?

>>34109834
>when your military spending is the same as your gdp

>>34107898
Scrap the current german constitution which is not allowing germany to have a offensive army. Then get the fucking lobbyists and bureocrats out of the government, and try to get as many as possible east germans officers to train new officers.

>>34109111
I would rather take a finnish or danish soldier. THey at least know that a soldier should kill sometimes.

>>34110221
Gee, wonder what happens if primarily 18-30 year old, sexual active people are locked up for a long while...

>>34108388
Issue is not singing songs but hoarding ammo, hiding guns at Swiss airports and setting up false flag-attacks while singing songs.

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>>34107898
1. increase military budget and related R&D
2. abandon that shitty Euro-retarded Typhoon and buy F-35 like UK, Italy
3. stop scrapping things
4. give command authority to Prime Minister like normal country
By the way, Krauts can't never have nukes and nuclear submarines. Ask Hitler why

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>>34108161
That's only true for cancerous cities like Berlin, Köln, Duisburg and Hamburg. You would actually see a morale boost go through the German armies if those cities were nuked.

>>34125391
>4. give command authority to Prime Minister like normal country
w-what? why would we give that to our PMs?
I don't think you know what the position of PM is about in germany

>>34112303
The French worked with the German army too. It ended with the Taliban fighters posing for photos with FFL gear that they stripped off the corpses.

The modern German army is a shit-show. Obviously, it's not the fault of individual soldiers. Obviously, some of them are doing their best. But the big picture is extremely disheartening.

Furthermore, it's probably going to get way worse before it gets any better. As far as I know, they want to start recruiting migrants. Ethnic Germans have an average IQ of ~100. People from the Middle East have the average IQ of ~80. It's ~70 for Africa. Basically, if they do this (and the politicians are pushing hard to make it happen), their army will be literally incapable of operating like a modern Western military, because the number of utter idiots will make achieving the necessary tactical competence on a small unit scale impossible.

>>34124837
t. i learn everything i know about germany on the stupid parts of image boards.

>>34119105
Not him but its a cornerstone of general European historical economics that Silesia was the most productive agrarian region in Eastern Europe, due to the German ranches and farms being larger than typical for Germans, and for being a nitrous deposit among nitrous deposits.
That was the case from the point Germans recorded history there to 1945. It is no longer the case.

>>34119105
>>34126000
More important than cultural inadequacy is the effect of communism and the horrible interruption WWII had on all of existing European enterprise.
Still, Prussian Junkers and the old Ostseidlung Barons prided themselves on agrarian lifestyles and output, while state subsidized corporate and collectivist ownership hardly matches the zeal.

>>34126037
forgot link
https://books.google.com/books?id=sPeuCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=farming+output+silesia&source=bl&ots=OxEwAcitoV&sig=oT8hAVBrWdpgVK7I4DqoHrQbYSo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqwcHb4ZzUAhUL2oMKHUWPCSIQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=farming%20output%20silesia&f=false

>>34126000
Because after 1945 communism happened. It's slowly getting better after that, but it's still 50 years behind the west.

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>>34113425
>competent east germans

>>34109462
>why not
it's unsanitary and makes you stand out when all personnel should look the same
that's why it's called a "uniform"
germans, i swear to god

>>34125316
Why are you all so fond about the east german army? It was not better than the west german army of the time, and most of our offciers of theat time in both army's are either dead, retired or gernerals. And I certainly would not want to have some fucking commies in my army. With the whole "muh rightwing leadership problem" it's already worse enough. I love America, but people like you make it goddamn hard.

>>34126076
>Implying Poles haven't been fucked since the dawn of time

>>34108495
Except that's bullshit, you might have heard that on BBC's the World at War because they're covering for the fact that the Ford Motor Company built all of the Opal trucks that the Germans so desperately needed to resupply units at the front. Nearly all western WWII docs take pains to hide the war guilt of American corporations that armed the Germans.>>34108230

>>34108608

NVA was fucking shit

A lot of good officers and trainers of the bundeswehr left in the 90s when we let those commie slav subhumans in

>>34108608
>so much tradition lost.
commie tradition isn't worth preserving

>>34109882
>>34109891

>two thirds of the German national anthem are banned

thats a lie

its in the grundgesetz that the WHOLE deutschlandlied is the german hymn but only the first is sung.

tfw. only the first part is sung because the second is laughable and the third is incorrect atm

>>34109978

>purchase f-35

>not MBB Lampyridae
>not EADS Mako
>not DASA FTTU

>>34110726

>conservatives killed the army in the 90s

>>34127844
It isn't 1985 any more.

>>34113425

> competent east germans

dude the east germans trained the iraqi army before desert storm and built their bunkers

>>34127882
some things can't overcome the Arab factor.

or the overwhelming air campaign.

>>34127928
Or the fact that east germans hadnt been trained well in defending, but instead mostly practised attack the west.

>>34113172
The Polish Defense Minister looks like the Master from Doctor Who.