Middle East Thread "ISIS last stand II EDITION"

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrias-bloodiest-battle-is-yet-to-come--and-1-million-civilians-are-at-risk/2017/05/29/279a5c8c-3596-11e7-ab03-aa29f656f13e_story.html

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_EW2cJODo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SwoX8Oyhvw

Is the war of the five kingdoms truly coming to a close?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV-ZuYPlde4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-AGPoYa0I

>>34108156
Impressive bombardment. Masknah is getting flattened.

Breaking from a ...controversial source claiming 4 Oshkosh jeeps and 80 US SF have just entered Syria at Mahruta.

https://twitter.com/BosnjoBoy/status/869601911422541825

This tiff over Al Tanf has entered new levels of dick swinging with little fighting yet.

Not posting much more but it is worth mentioning SDF on the outskirts of division 17 north Raqqa and continued fighting around Deir Ezzor city, Palmyra silos like it has been all last week after the epic collapse of IS in eastern Qalamoun.

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>>34108452
This picture is from the Reuters story on US arms going to FSA in southern Syria. Heh, add two more 50s and its a WW2 quad 50

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-south-idUSKBN18Q1R4?il=0

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https://twitter.com/Jakepor21/status/869579187765563394

>>34108452
What is the deal with this war and silos btw? Are they some kind of tactical ground? Food storage? PR?

>>34109129

I think we are in agreement that there's an underground base or cache of some kind near the Palmyra silos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgoiYmPJQNk

YPG sure has some banging tunes

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>>34109057

SAA is really taking their sweet time getting to Taqba aren't they? By the time they get there the SDF will have blobbed a significant amount of land south of the Eurphrates

>>34109057
These are South Africans, not Syria

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>>34109129
The silos have been a strong point for ISIS for a long time, the theory is there is some kind of major ISIS depot in the area or by the T4 pumping station nearby.

The SAA/NDF bleeds badly whenever they try and push into there so its become a bit of a theme that the silos are a true litmus test for government forces. If they can break past the silos then they have a shot of reaching Dez, until then, its fantasy.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-conducts-experimental-rocket-test-over-central-Israel-494206

In Israel, a rocket engine was tested recently. In this article there is speculation that it could be a test of the "Arrow" defense system. Another thought is that it might be a test of an extended range "Jericho" missile system, which is thought to be reaching an operational 10,000km range. Previously, the Jericho's range was thought to be 4,000km, enough to reach all Middle Eastern and European nations. A 10,000km range missile could reach all of Russia, Africa, Asia, Alaska, most of Canada, the eastern coasts of the United States and Brazil and parts of the Midwest.

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Rescue bump

>>34113217
those guys don't really look the same

>>34110898
Yes, to be clear the SAA hold the silos every since retaking Palmyra, they meet heavy resistance nearby. As seen after IS's collapse in east Qalamoun they dug underground tunnels everywhere and they have similar fortifications in eastern Homs. I am not saying it's Tora bora but who knows?
>>34109129
Gain silos were also a IS strongpoint during Manbji. Tall concrete cylinder's are magnet for combat. Obvious sniper position I guess.

>>34110858
>By the time they get there the SDF will have blobbed a significant amount of land south of the Eurphrates
Doesn't matter, the Kurds have zero interest holding onto anything down there and they're 90% of the SDF in terms of relavent fighting ability. If need be they'll fight SAA up north where they consider home, down south not so much, and anyone else the US could convince to try sticking around and causing problems would just get instantly steamrolled whenever SAA get around to going there, whether its in another 6 months time or 18.

>>34108557
These guys (NSA) launched an offensive on Zaza checkpoint about 3 hours ago. First post claimed SAA was retreating toward Al Seen. Last post is Ruaf flying over them? Hmmm, this should be good to check on later.

>>34109129
As some people have pointed out, some specific silos supposedly are connected to stockpiles and such. Most of them are just convenient sniper roosts and great for observing the area. You're 50 feet in the air in a reinforced concrete structure in an area that's basically desert, fields, and villages. It's the same reason church steeples had strategic importance in Europe in the 40s.

>>34107007
what is that artillery piece they are using? looks like something from the 50s...

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>Russian frigate & submarine fire 4 cruise missiles at ISIS targets near Palmyra – MoD


The Russian warships, a frigate named Admiral Essen and submarine named Krasnodar, fired Kalibr cruise missiles on combat vehicles and militants outside the Syrian city of Palmyra, the Defense Ministry said.

The four cruise missiles were fired from the eastern Mediterranean, it noted in a statement. The submarine fired its missiles while submerged.

According to the MoD, “[the ships] targeted an area east of Palmyra, where the militants’ heavy weaponry and manpower were located. The militants moved there from Raqqa. All targets have been destroyed,” it said.

The US, Turkish, and Israeli militaries received appropriate warning in advance of the missile launches through active hotlines, the Defense Ministry added.

>>34114465
Neat, hope they actually hit something and we see some nice photos or UAV feeds afterward

>>34110858
The SDF will probably use the extra land they captured as a bargaining chip.

>>34114465
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/869804368786337793
This? Also ship looks kinda neat.

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Iran Ready to Send 'Peace Forces' to Syria to Help Enforce De-Escalation Zones
>russia-insider.com/en/politics/iran-ready-send-peace-forces-syria-help-enforce-de-escalation-zones/ri19987

Indirect US talks for ISIS fighters to exit Raqqa
>debka.com/article/26078/Indirect-US-talks-for-ISIS-fighters-to-exit-Raqqa

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday said that there was “no proof” that the regime of Syria’s President Bashar Assad was responsible for the recent deadly chemical weapons attack in the war-torn country, which Western nations have pinned on the Syrian army.

“According to our information, there is no proof that chemical weapons were used by Assad. We are convinced that he didn’t do it,” Reuters quoted Putin as telling the French daily Le Figaro.
Russia’s president also said that countries such as the US and France have sought to blame Assad for the April attack in order to justify “to the international community why it was necessary to continue to impose measures to pressure Assad, including militarily.”

Putin said that he proposed leading an investigation into the chemical weapons attack in the northern Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun, in which over 80 people were killed, but was rebuffed by Western nations, according to Reuters.

The Russian’s president’s comments came after the issue of last month’s gas attack was raised by his French counterpart during a meeting at Versailles on Monday, with Emmanuel Macron saying France would respond immediately to any future use of chemical weapons in Syria.

>>34115280

That is interesting. Got more on the Khan Sheikhoun incident?

>>34115552

Ach, never mind. I know which case it is now. For a minute I thought it was a second chemical attack.

This is interesting. The SDF in northern Syria won't allow the PMU to link up with the SAA through their territory after the PMU's salient along the Mosul-Syria highway finally reached the border with Syria.

>https://twitter.com/SyrianLense/status/869915918054420480
>SDF claims that they will not allow a land bridge between the Hash al Sha3bi & the regime to curb Iranian influence

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>>34116984

>SDF in northern Syria won't allow

AMERI-DOGS

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>>34117040
As if the PMU are not linked to the Americans either. Who do you think gave them all those Hummers? The funny part is all the forces involved on the Iraqi border are connected to US support in some way. I always say if you back all the sides, you can't lose.
>>34114029
After launching a salvo of grads a Zaza Ruaf forced NSA to a halt after dropping a few bombs around them. It was a pretty cool firework show last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETvXWYZc1vM

>>34117040
god you're such an insufferable faggot

Running through some odds and ends. The SAA progressed one more village south of Masknah today as fighting there continues. Rebel infighting all over the place from eastern Ghouta between JAI and Al Rahman to new reports of rebel infighting in southern Aleppo near Jabal al Hoss.

Also breaking of a IS VBIED south of Palmyra. This after the Russian Navy cruise missile strikes nearby in the morning.

Breaking also of a Iraqi PMU advance into Syria on SDF areas of control claimed by pro rebel source.

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/869967081953009664

Syria is such a soap opera.

Turks are calling the US arming of kurdish forces in Syria 'extremely dangerous'. "If we are going to have stability in Syria we should not do such mistakes", says Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.

It was just a newslet. I hope the interviewer asked the minister how he, in light of his own comments, justified the Turkish military support of the SFA.

Iraqi Hashd PMUs has entered Syrian Land and have captured Qasibah and Al-Bawari and these areas are under SDF control

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/869967081953009664


Reports that between 100000-200000 men will enter Syria over the next few months to help the Government crush terror groups like ISIS & SDF. (PMU and lot of iranian militia ,a lot of these men will come directly from Iran via Iraq )

>>34117812
Plan is to break all anti-syrian government elements by the end of the year

>>34117812

Got any other sources to confirm this with? Were fighting involved?

Also I am not good with the geography. Does this mean that PMU are taking over areas the SDF had no interest in keeping, or is this sawing directly into kurdish-populated areas?

>>34117929
SDF said few days ago that they will not let PMU enter Syria , today if this is true , PMU entered Syria and even took those areas

Kurds definetely didnt want PMU take those areas ,

>>34117826
The war for Rojava has begun.

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>>34118109
Never mind pro rebel source now claims it was a mistake and the villages were IS held. I get caught up in the drama with everyone else.

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/869983702591385600

>>34118163
>https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/869983702591385600


Heheh. BWAHAHAHAMYSIDESMYHEARTARGH-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN25hAkxaoU

>>34118163
I really hope they gave him something with a folding stock

>>34118456

Mfw that shorter guy is a bigger actual operator than the vast majority of /k/ will ever be.

PMU crossed the border into Syria.

pictures

https://twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/status/869993982620823553

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>>34118553

>>34118795
can he even pull the trigger? or hold ammo?

>>34117929
What's stopping the PMU from moving south along the border to the side of Syria under IS control? I recalled a couple days back that a spokesperson for the PMU had the idea to advance south from Um Jaris all the way to Al Qa'im.

Hard to say if they'll be able to advance fast enough, but it is the path with the least resistance.

>>34118905
Just looking at the map, they'd have to make it all the way to al-qaim to set up a base there. It's nothing but desert between where they are and al-qaim. It would be really hard to secure your supply lines otherwise.

Quick post of a pro rebel tweet vid with IS fighting south of Palmyra today showing what turns into dirt mound to dirt mound fighting and lol walking fire.

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/870023739437723649

>>34119902
>its an SAA walks away from incoming fire in the middle of the desert episode
E N O U G H

>>34118456
I'm more interested in how did he get the uniform. It's not like army warehouses have children's department.

>>34119902
im new to these threads but interested.

wouldnt the smart thing to do in this situation be to drop prone and return fire while doing a fighting/crawling withdrawal to some cover? or at least try to pin ISIS equally?

it just seems suicidal to run in an open area while under MG fire.

>>34120263
>https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/870023739437723649

Not sure I got that scene right, but it looks like the two last guys made a stand behind a sand mound. I could only see one of them firing too, so who know if the other guys was even armed. Either way the greater unit had one or two mg's trained on the position and kept them down until the rest had outflanked. them.

Which faction of the Syrian Civil War has the best music?

>>34120019
To smooth pro SAA's egos Palmyra aside, the SAA(thanks to the Russians) had amazing progress in eastern Qalamoun. I didn't think IS would retreat and on top of that their mass retreat convoy was eliminated by Saaf /Ruaf airstrikes. Operation Lavender needed to be done and they are doing it.
The only bad thing I can say is the high causality rate pushing to Masknah. They need to go ahead and wrap up Masknah soon.

>>34108760
She died trying. Got to give her credit for that!

>>34107007
Can someone explain to me how exactly the Shia are bad again, other than being terrible goys to the Israelis?

>>34119698
Clearly the vast distance and emptiness would make it hard to supply an offensive through there, not to mention the amount of weak spots IS can take advantage of to cut off any salient in that direction, It's just that focusing on Al-Qa'im is the least geopolitical messy because the PMU will only need to contend with IS.

Alternatively, they can push to Al-Qa'im from Haditha instead.

>>34123162

It's hard to judge when you don't understand the words in the lyrics or the titles. I have a taste for the kurdish tunes but the Nogay Djamaat have a wicked acapella tune in their video - I keep thinking the LOTR dwarves' song accompanied by Kalashnikovs.

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New IS video is up from Homs around palmyra i think. Looks like T-72BA/B3 getting hit. These t-72 are present in Homs.
Correct me if im wrong.

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>>34126478

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It looks increasingly like the war is basically over at this point

The question is will the US be able to start WW3 regardless before it concludes with the takfiris being crushed and the astana accords coming into effect in early/late summer

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>>34126654
so basically you're saying 'Mission Accomplished'?

>>34126654

The war against IS is probably over except for the long slow mopping up. I just hope this doesn't end up in a lawyer's paradise with people on death row for decades while their simpering relatives get to dominate the news. "But, except for the tortures and murders he just is this really nice family oriented guy who just want a better world, you know?"

The rest of the war is something else though. Will the SAA attack the SDF? Will the Turks attack SDF? Will the Iranians (PMA?PMO?) attack the Americans? Will the Americans attack the Russian? Keep Watching Warfare Today, the endless sitcom!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKwrANNJijk

>>34127074
looks like they've actually learned from the disaster that was the tabqa offensive. I wonder how long the russian commanders had to scream at lazy arabs to achieve that

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>still Dre


https://www.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ISIS-video-propaganda.mp4?_=1

>>34130426
>all those dudes caught out in the complete open desert

To this day I am still amazed about how inept most the people in this conflict are after 6 straight years of warfare

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>https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/870280815330119680

The SAA found an IS ACV-15 (seized from the Turks during the Al-Bab battle), sans tank treads, while moving around Maskanah. I wonder what use IS could possibly have for treads from a vehicle that they barely use.

>>34130577
removed for repair, lost during war?

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>>34130577
>https://twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/870279964775641095

And a tipped over IS tank nearby.

>>34130577
Armor for a car bomb maybe?

>>34130534
i wonder what the fuck they were even doing there to begin with. How can you get ambushed in open desert?

>>34130637
Looks like they were trying to assault whatever hill ISIS was on, you could see them mustering by the buildings earlier in the video then later on they got merked in the open

>>34130534
Holy shit everyone's incompetent

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US is starting a collection of ISIS produced materiel.

http://taskandpurpose.com/exclusive-see-suicide-tractors-diy-rounds-isis-lost-mosul/

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>Powerful pro-Iran Badr Brigades to enter Syria

Highly trained by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, this 30,000-50,000 strong Iraqi Shiite militia would cement Tehran’s domination of Syria and massively threaten Israel.

>debka.com/article/26079/Powerful-pro-Iran-Badr-Brigades-to-enter-Syria

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>>34132695
big woop there have been tens of thousands of Iranians in Syria for years

Is the mossad guy still around? Is the U.S. trying to start shit with Iran and cock blocking them around the border more because of Kikery or more because of 'muh oil'?

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>>34134363

STOPPING shia crescent.

>>34120122
Everybody has a mother that knows how to sew and tailor clothes in the Middle East. Half the tailors in my hometown are Iraqi Kurdish immigrant MILFs.

>>34113217
> Russian propaganda at it's finest

They don't even look remotely similar, who are they trying to fool?

>>34114465
How are their missiles guided to BVR targets? Last I heard, Russia was a 2nd world country.

>>34130426
why do they go so far out in the desert with no means of transportation? Out of fear of being sniped by ATGMs?

>>34134550
GLONASS and the purported use of Ukrainian Cossack squatting.

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>>34130636
They could had stripped off the plating from the ACV-15 instead. To be fair, it was fairly close to the front so they really couldn't do much about it. I suppose IS could still have a spare ACV-15 somewhere. The SAA did find another one (with treads) a couple months back, also near Al-Bab.

>https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-syrian-army-captures-turkish-armored-vehicle-near-al-bab/

>>34134787
Wow, I never knew Russia had that kind of technology.

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>>34132695
>tmw you realise you'll never get to own a bulgarian aksu with a flashlight integrated into the forward grip and an MK 30 red dot sight
Why even live.

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http://carnegie-mec.org/diwan/70124?lang=en

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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/06/syria-desert-tanf-us-backed-rebel-group.html

>>34134363
Trump doubled down on the Saudi-Israel alliance during his mid east trip. There's no brakes on the fuck Iran train now.

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>charcoaled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARuH4EoL0ys

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I'm seeing a lot of combat reports right now from various areas. I am seeing some fighting on the Khanasir side of eastern Aleppo as well as the outskirts of Masknah. IS claims they are attacking in Deir city (cue the Deir Ezzor chicken littles like me) Heavy SAA vs rebel fighting has broken out around Samadaniyah via Step. Step also reporting fighting in eastern Ghouta and on the outskirts of Raqqa. Lastly Daraa is heating up.

Finally some real shit is starting and it's starting tonight.

Pic is Spetsnaz spotted in rural eastern Hama.

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>>34138291
why is his camo based on space invader? Are there a lot of arcade halls in Syria?

reports that a U.S destroyer that launched 4 cruise missiles at Syrian army targets has been sunk circling the twitter accounts.

>>34107200

>ISIS population

>Civilians

Fire up the napalm canisters, all I see is enemy combatants.

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>>34138778

>Soon

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>>34108156

>ISIS encounters proper military force with cohesive units, artillery and mechanized force for the first time

>Gets utterly destroyed and routed

Caliphate LARPers BTFO.

>>34127074

>Russian steel in formation, Arabs fighting like a military force for once


This gets me hard.

>>34133809

I have a hard time believing that.

How do they manage to have their presence so low key?

>>34138933
Its not low key, you have just been watching the wrong """""""news""""""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

More Pieces Fall in Place for a Russian-US Clash in Southern Syria

US proxies are goading the Syrian army into a clash with US air power
Russian bombers are taking out said US proxies
US is scaling up its forces citing the threat of Russia-backed Syrian army

...welcome to the standoff at al-Tanf, this year's best candidate for a Sarajevo 1914 moment

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/more-pieces-fall-place-russian-us-clash-southern-syria/ri20016

>>34138662
Without checking I think this camo has been in the Russian army a long time.
>>34138291
As the resident Deir Ezzor chicken little i have to inform IS claiming advances in their Deir Ezzor offensive. They claim the Panorama roundabout(large SAA checkpoint) the university next to the main road, and a hill overlooking 137th brigade. All of which IS has taken before and been pushed out previously.

This action does make me think IS throwing a hail mary in Deir Ezzor city as they are being decimated elsewhere. Actually i thought they were going do it the first time they had a offensive there this year and now they throwing shit around and seeing what sticks. As usual Ruaf is on scene bombing them.

>>34130577

That ACV looks toasted

Maybe it broke down and they couldn't fix it. They may have removed the treads to prevent the SAA from using it. Looks like a transmission bellhousing sitting in that back door.

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>>34140859

>Without checking I think this camo has been in the Russian army a long time.

It's Soviet, going back to the late 1940s.

>>34138933
>>34139590
It's hardly covered up at this rate, even in the MSM. There had been plenty of unsubtle links between Iran and forces fighting in Syria, Iraq and Yemen. The Saudis have made it equally apparent about their dissatisfaction that the Iranians are challenging their hegemony.

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>>34139842
>this year's best candidate for a Sarajevo 1914 moment

if this is our best candidate I dont think we have anything to look forward too. Im thinking a rando US special forces dork getting caught out in a turk air/arty strike is more likely. US and russia have been really good about deconflicting anything going on in syria. We both have too much to lose

>>34136306

What happened to his cookie duster?

U goys watch the VICE episode from tonight They had a double feature on about the civil war in Iraq with many dank battle scenes from the mosul liberation offensive and stuff like that

It was pretty damn kino desu

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>>34144008
>>34144008
Whoopsy daisy how did that question mark get lost

Eh whatevs it's still early

>>34131125
>>34130637
>>34130534
when arabs try to fight, it ends up like a goddamn benny hill chase scene, or the worlds most bungled chinese firedrills.

1600 years of enforced inbreeding will do that to you.

>>34136306
>she's 42
Dam

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The LNA has captured Waddan-

With this they have the tripolitan area south of Sirte (Hun and Suknah are already controlled by them).
Next location is the Jufrah airbase nearby, the only pro-GNA airbase left in eastern Libya.

>>34132695
Bulgarian AKs. Interesting.

>>34135624
AR-M4SF

Iraqi Army forces took the Sihha district west in Mosul yesterday. This leaves IS with three district in Mosul, in total. The fighting continues.

>>34144543
i wonder what's going through their heads (IS) in there, fighting a losing battle

>>34144557

Losing a battle is something many have done. These guys are getting obliterated as well, and they know they have no options left but the one they were romantically attracted to in the first place - dying for their cause and faith. Those among them who were willing and able to slip out with the bank in their backpack, Mullah Omar style, are probably all long gone and sit drinking expensive tea in Dubai while lamenting how their duties lead them to not die in combat.

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https://www.JEWbook.com/ORTAS.Backup/videos/1322143304569392/

Whatever rebel groups are active in Daara have really been putting the heat on the SAA/NDF/Iranian Militias down there

What a meatgrinder that place is turning out to be for the regime

>>34145257
What I don't get why is they are trying to launch urban assaults in an already flattened area, why aren't they focusing on surrounding the city and launching counter attacks in the Southeast of the city to cut the roads leading in

Seems like there is a major lack of leadership in that theater and too many different assets running around trying to force a largely unwinnable objective instead of being tactical and looking for other avenues of entrance

>>34145421
it's kind of sad really, they're not winning anymore
it was all for nothing

>>34145433
I was talking about the regime, not the rebels

The rebels are actually putting in great work against the government troops in Daara

>>34145446
oh, right
well either way they can kick and scream all they want but SAA will get "their" country back mostly
or am i sounding like an over-generalizing retard now? i don't know
english isn't my 1st language

>>34118795
>that strawberry shortcake table cloth

This picture is golden.

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>>34145477
i almost feel like that image is the work of THAT fucking guy

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>>34145491
What is with the big helmet thing?

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>>34107007
Any one has source on the story of Belgian SOF hunting isis fighters from Belgium in Mosul ?

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>>34145638

>>34145638
i heard the same about france

>>34145491
>>34145583

The worst part about the first picture there was i was all "why the fuck would someone just photoshop the gun bigger?"

Didn't even see the helmet for a long while.

>>34118795
>>34145491
>>34145583
i wish i knew who the madman that does these silly shoops

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>>34145809

>>34145815
i don't think the first one is a shoop

I have the full wrap up of today. Piggy backing off of SOHR to clear up Deir Ezzor and eastern Aleppo.
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=67506
Most of the Deir combat has been in the outskirts of brigade 137th with casualties for both sides. Minor IS advances on previously listed areas. Not the entire Panorama.

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=67509
SOHR on Masknah basically saying IS is fucked because the city is surrounded after SOHR claim of a combination of 1,100 air and artillery strikes on the wider Masknah countryside. Wide sweep continues for the SAA and friends.

>>34144557
They're thinking they want to cause as much material damage as possible, IS has reconstituted its insurgency in Anbar and Dijyala, so the most they bleed them in Mosul and for longer the stronger they'll be.

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Daraa continues in the heat up with more airstrikes as a SAA counter attack meet stalemate with both sides shelling each other plus clashes in the Manshya district which rebel hold the majority of.

Minor clashes in northern Hama near Zilaqiat, some in rural eastern Hama between IS and the SAA with their Russian advisors. IS claims repelling them.

That covers the main areas now with a cool US mil release of a B-52 bombing in western Mosul.
https://twitter.com/obretix/status/871034564587728896

>dat one crewmember saying "it's beautiful" as bombs hit

>>34146746
What kind of accent is that around 22 seconds?

I am curious as to how Ramadan affects the fighting? Seems to be livelier than in some time. Related?

>>34146773
You'd think it'd be more mellow but it seems like it really whips everyone into a frenzy, in Afghanistan Ramadan/the Summer were and still are the peak fighting months

>>34146746
I forgot SDF wrapped up Bath damn and claim the battle for Raqqa is starting in days.

>>34146773
figthers are allowed to break fasting. Probably has some psychological effect

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>>34107007
Sudanese Mercs in Yemen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDCStamjvZI

...outchi

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>>34146893
this looks like a T-xx Tank. I dont think Sauds or UAE operating them. did they bring their own tanks from sudan to yemen? this would be crazy.

>>34146930
Sudan got busted trying to ship in a ass ton of T-80s awhile back from China. They have a good sized land army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_Armed_Forces
>Sudan now receives most of its military equipment from the People's Republic of China and Russia.

>>34147000
Also to break up the Shia vs Sunni bubble China is actually on the side of the Saudis when it comes to Yemen like the US is. The wars in the mid east are a lot more complex than your basic Muslim proxy war prism. China wants those shipping lanes open in the gulf of Aden.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-china-yemen-idUSKCN0UY0C1

Personally I admire the Houthis fighting skill.

>>34146767
Sounds a little Sith Ifrican.

>>34146652
Ive read about them regenerating back into an insurgency in Diyala are they doing that in Anbar as well if this is true then after the conventional fighting is over Iraq will just go back to being like it was in the mid 2000s.

>>34147109
>Personally I admire the Houthis fighting skill.
Same here, whilst they're certainly helped by the significant amounts of incompetence frequently displayed by the Saudis they're also giving a pretty damn textbook display of how a relatively small light force should go about harrying a much larger adversary with ambushes and swift raids on installations.

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>>34147198
Anbar is where the current Happening all started. It was the anbari tribes who rose up against the government and took over Ramadi and Fallujah, before they were overtaken by Isis.
Kind of similiar with the rebels in syria in certain areas and then ISIS taking over from them.
In both cases we are continually told that everyone hates ISIS now and is glad to be liberated; but I think its a safe bet that Anbar wont exactly be the biggest fan of the shia government

>>34147217
>>34147109
There is not much individual skill, just a lot of drive and nothing to lose. They are very similiar to the Taliban or some african militias.
In general in Yemen you also have to remember that the Houthis themself are just a part of the side, with Saleh loyalists and other allied groups probably making up a far larger percentage- They are just called all "pro-Houthis" because otherwise it would become too complicated.

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>>34146930
T-72AV.

Sudan bought some from Ukraine a while ago.

Daraa still popping off, the rebels down there are really making the regime bleed today

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>>34148257

>>34148414
I think the situation got muddied when some new pro-gov't forces came and decided to try and launch and offensive into southern Daraa without realizing the situation

They literally ran into a meat grinder and now shit is all broken arrow with all kinds of bombs being dropped into the area

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>>34148427

Hezbollah deploys large force to Daraa for upcoming offensive.

>>34148487
They already deployed them m8 and got roasted, that was what caused the broken arrow situation tonight

Them and another Iranian miltia got thrown into the meatgrinder

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/871109657749852160/video/1

This dude from the "Tigers" just backblasted his entire line and they all stop shooting because they are concussed fucking kek

>>34148500
>>34148487
The pro rebel talk before this turned out to be true. They were saying this offensive was coming but Russia doesn't care about Daraa so it was going to be a Iranian operation. This is a case of the mass amount of Shia militia they have to throw around and likely mass amount going die as fodder.

Also breaking of the full capture of Masknah by the SAA. Total defeat for IS in eastern Aleppo.

>>34148633
I remember on the 29th Ivan was jacking off about a massive government offensive in Daraa and all it turned out to be was the same meat grinder with the rebels roasting a few Hezbollah guys and then that part of the city getting bombed all day long

Like usual its still a stalemate, just this time it was the gov't that failed to do anything but lose some Iranian conscripts

>>34148655
>Also breaking of the full capture of Masknah by the SAA. Total defeat for IS in eastern Aleppo.


what were SAA /allied losses in Daraa last few days ? since offensive didnt start , a lot arti&airstrikes so far

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Tank repair/maintenance facility in Damascus.

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>>34149426

http://sputnikimages.com/en/site/feature/548869/

>>34108452
> m2 .50cal

This is literally the most common hmg on the planet, used globally by everyone that isnt using a 14.5mm

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>>34149394
From pro rebel sources a tank was destroyed and 3 "official" Hezbollah members were killed before it turned into back and forth shelling/airstrikes. The offensive isn't over yet for sure but it's not starting out great.

Map from formerly known as Deir Ezzor SS of the IS attack in Deir Ezzor plus claim 6 Ruaf jets are over the area bombing non stop. IS in panic mode to pull something out their ass. SAA casualties are mounting in the Panorama roundabout battle. Should be good to check on later.

>>34149606
Hezbollah have been active for very long time ,once most of reinforcement forces join into battle then we can judge

this sounds more like a lot arti/airstrikes and skirmishes

offensive didnt start yet

>>34149826
Their reforcements got their days ago m8, an entire convoy reached Daraa two days ago

Their giant "offensive" was announced on the 29th, its the 3rd going into the 4th of June now

>>34149867
convoy got there ,but offensive never start same day troops arrive

it will take few more days for offensive to kick off

a lot of arti/airstrikes and usual skirmishes and poking of defenses until then

>>34149826
The rebels have been putting in work against the government in Daraa, I doubt any kind of real offensive will be able to materialize because of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDZWIf6p8XE

There were over 80 Airstrikes/Artillery strikes in Daraa alone today because of the failed offensive.

The FATIMIOUN brigade (Iranians) actually left Daraa's Mansheya district because they got rocked so hard.

This part of the country has always been a major thorn in the regimes side as they've never been able to really crack Daraa and haven't had anywhere near the same success there as they have in other parts in Syria.

>>34149896
Even Ahrar Al-Sham has started making montages of their battles against the government in Daraa
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/871098002227818496/video/1
I've always considered Daraa one of the last areas of rebellion to fall

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#Syria Arab National Guard Soldiers part of Al Ghayth Forces who fought in Western Ghouta Battles & Qaboun will be fighting in #Daraa.

>>34149951
>>34149919
What is more likely to fall first, Daraa or the Ghouta pocket?

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#Syria #SAA 4th Division - The Military Operation for #Daraa City & Countryside is Supervised by Ali Mahmoud & Led by Colonel Ghayath Dalla

>>34149967
Those retards said the same thing on the 29th, nice offensive you got there losing a few Hez guys and then having to broken arrow the southern half of the city kek

I hate how they roleplay and talk all big on twitter and then get merked like that, its so embarrassing just go capture that shit then brag about your "Typhoon Shock Brigades"

1hour ago

#Syria #Daraa #SAA #SyrianArmy 4th Division / Fourth Division Soldiers in #Daraa Enjoying A Break before the Start of Military Operations.

>>34149967

Are you telling me the guy running the operations room is giving out information just like that, or are we to consider this to be part of the propaganda effort?

>>34150000
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/869243323193724930

They've literally been dickwaving since the 29th, like usual its all talk and bluster when in reality it'll be another stalemate or they'll just lose a few dozen conscripts and continue to barrel bomb the fuck out of that area

If they had any tactical sense they'd focus on other lines of entry into the south like going for the reservoir or cutting the roads in from the east, but no, they have to launch an urban assault in an area that is literally bombed to shit and destroyed for some reason

>>34150017
>or are we to consider this to be part of the propaganda effort?

The latter, they make weird, showboating posts like this periodically. Its actually hard to tell when something serious is going to happen or not because they always make these long winded posts about what they are going to do and then nothing happens.

>>34149987
m8 Hezbollah have been fighting in Daraa for very long time they occupy forward positions atm and skirmishes and clashes happen in Daraa regulary so ofc there will be causualties , main bulk of forces that came to partiticipate in offensive didnt even join in yet

whether offensive will be successful in the end who knows ,but the fact is most of forces are not even participating in battles atm

>>34150037
You're a moron if you think the battle today didn't involve most of the forces there, the gov't had to pull out of Mansheya because of it.

You're just reading Ivan's posts (aka propaganda) thinking some giant, hellstorm is about to come down in Daraa when in reality its just another stalemate for the meat grinder.

They aren't even attacking new salients or anything, they are literally going to attempt an urban assault and push for Shayk al Arba or something.

>>34150035
they talk to rise moral etc and dickwaving ofc ,but whatever they said ,1 thing is for sure offensive didnt start day most of forces that were suppose to participate in battle arrived ,it takes time once reinforcements arrive to put things in motion

>>34150061
I guess we'll see, but I just don't think its worth posting Ivan's shit since 90% of the time it is just straight up propaganda.

I'd rather wait and see what kind of "offensive" they manage to materialize. The Daraa theater always seems to have way too many pro-regime assets and not enough leadership with each group trying to get south across the canal alone and ending up getting ground out by the rebels in the city.

I still do not understand why they want to capture that part of the city so badly when there are other strategic objects they could make a move for in order to relive pressure and go for an urban assault later down the line and not charging into a destroyed, urban hell hole.

>>34150059

"They aren't even attacking new salients or anything, they are literally going to attempt an urban assault and push for Shayk al Arba or something."

glad u agreed it didnt start yet ,but they gonna try it

"You're just reading Ivan's posts (aka propaganda) thinking some giant, hellstorm is about to come down in Daraa when in reality its just another stalemate for the meat grinder."

you might be correct stalemet might be the end result ,we dont know

>>34150097
They aren't in a position to launch an offensive when the rebels have them on the back foot in Daraa, they need to reestablish lines before they can even think of deploying the assets they have in the region

>>34150081
maybe they want to nulify rebel success ,since Daraa was only successful rebel offensive since Aleppo ,Daraa is only case where they took and held gains they made since

>>34150115
yes , SAA was losing during past months in Daraa u cant bring reinforcements and straight away go into offensive

>>34150135
Like I said earlier Daraa has been the toughest area for the government to break and I think it'll be one of the very last places to fall due to the Jordanian border being so porous and the amount cohesiveness of the rebel groups there (a fuckload of former SAA defections took place and established an effective FSA unit all the way back at the beginning of the rebellion).

This has prevented their groups from being diced up and unorganized like many of the groups north in Idlib and formerly rebel controlled Aleppo, from the get-go Daraa was going to be a meatgrinder

>>34150061
>>34150035

Okay, I guess I get that part. But still it sounds to me like they are giving out information that makes them more vulnerable to a discerning enemy. Like the names of the officers. Makes it somewhat easier to guess what they will do next based on their records and what clout they have upward, which unis normally follow them around.. Do that dance for a while and you will know where the boss sleeps. who sleeps wit him, that sort of thimg \Lood

>>34150157
they dont aim for full Daraa probly ,just to reverse gains rebels made and to fortify defenses

>>34150174
The SAA is more of a reality TV show with different stars (Warlords) and their own bands of troops/militias.

They publicly boast and brag about their goals and "offensives" in order to gain more fame/support.

This is all part of the degeneration of the SAA as a formal government organ into a collection of warlords fighting their own battles.

Arabs are fucking weird man.

>>34150183
Have you seen the latest satellite imagery? There is nothing to regain or hold onto, they've been using scorched earth against the rebels in Daraa all 2017 so far. These offensives are just retarded, work on closing the salients instead of wasting troops trying to take craters and demolished buildings.

this is pro rebel source ,relatively credible


Qalaat Al Mudiq @QalaatAlMudiq Jun 2
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#Daraa: first skirmishes & mutual shelling erupted on several fronts as new Regime convoy arrived. Both sides preparing for upcoming battle.

>>34150199
SAA dont want to build first defense line at current positions they want to retake some parts and build first line of defense there ,thats why they need this offensive

>>34150199
its not about retaking Daraa ,but ensuring they dont lose it

>>34150281
They have to get through the canal, I seriously do not understand why they don't push into the southeast, take the reservoir, and create a new avenue of advance into those southern districts rather than having to slog through all those fortified CPs

Like I said earlier, the morons in-charge of the Daraa ops don't have any clue what they are doing

>>34150295
I guess that makes sense then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuTJ5Un3sNU

This shows what the regime is going to have to deal with if they want to regain what they lost or push into this district, kek

>>34150368
wont be easy for syrian government ,but its doable

>>34150400
Going to be bloody as hell thats for sure, all those poor Afghani and Iraqi conscripts

>>34150404
Tigers are done with eastern Aleppo

government could redploy them to Daraa if they wanted serious progress ,but I doubt they will

>>34150437
I think the tigers will at least try and link their lines with the Kurds in Taqba, the SDF doesn't have any interest in holding that much land south of the Euphrates

Also ,rebel reinforcements are arriving in Daraa city aswell, indicating that big clashes might follow

>>34146746
>https://twitter.com/obretix/status/871034564587728896

Dude at 3:30 eating Butterfinger bites.

>>34150368

Easy. Level it.

Wait for the survivors to climb out of the rubble, then rinse and repeat.

PMUs in Syria when

Is there any visual confirmation that PMU control Baaj?

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>>34154627

SOON

(if they carry on steamrolling ISIS)

>>34154627

PMU=paramilitary units=iranian militias?

>>34155402
Peoples mobilization units

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afgahnistan

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this Islamic State professor leads the iconoclasm against historical sites in and arround syria.

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IS child soldier

I wonder when they will send them to Europe or to the US.

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fleeing SAA hit by IS in the desert

>>34155735

Okay. Who is running them? Are they Syrians? Are these militias, or conscripts? Who controls them? If they aren't militias, what is the difference?

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>>34156012
no place to hide.

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>>34156012
very close combat

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>>34156080

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>:D

>>34156025
Iraqis. Mobilized by Sistani and other shia imams in Iraq. Establishment assisted by IRGC. I think the control is split, some are loyal to Iraqi Shia imams, other to Tehran.

shiite Iraqis , under Iran control

>>34156177
>>34156204

Okay, I see their interesting in fighting the sunni-dominated IS. If I remember correctly they're going to be Assad-friendly as well. How much shit can they stir up? They can't possibly be looking for a fight with the major powers, so... out to stamp non-aligned rebel ass + snipe a little at the IS?

>>34156263
Those PMU units in Syria are under Iranian control and they are going there to fight anyone who Assad tells them to fight. Also some of them have spoken against US, made threats, also some of them are anti- KRG. I think they are going to play a major role in starting the next Iraqi war, when KRG goes for independence with Kirkuk.

>>34156950
Any estimates of how many Iranian troops are in Iraq and Syria?

>>34138662
>>34140859
>>34141351
It's white berezka, it also has a version where the "leaves" are yellow

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRQof79h570

>>34145257
The rebels have been getting decimated as well.

This is just standard NDF procedure. Send random frontal assaults with militia at defensive positions. Eventually your tactical forces arrive and you win.

#Daraa .Total destruction. Boss Mahers division is merciless.

#Unconfirmed rumors ,Boss Magher is in Daraa at the moment.

>>34157965
Boss Maher*

>>34127074
Clearly the work of the Russians

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>>34157965

Ali Mamlouk is in charge.

>>34146893
>>34146930
Future of warfare here

Starving African meat thrown into the frying pan

>>34158055
Boss Maher is there tho.

SAA advancing in #Daraa towards refugee camp and broken first line of defence.

>>34149955
Ghouta

>>34158101
Boss Maher wouldnt agree with you.

Strategic overview:

The war, since the fall of Aleppo, is clearly going the Syrian government's way. I am gonna say that I expect an overall strategic victory sometime late this year.
That being:
1. Secure main population centers. Daraa and parts of Ghouta/Aleppo/Yarmouk camp.
2. Secure peripheral regions around main population centers. Rural East Hama, Rural Aleppo, Rural Daraa, Rural Palmyra.
3. Reconnect to Dier, expel ISIS completely from East Aleppo province, reconnect Ithriya and Masakanah.
4. Form a working relationship with the SDF and Kurds against ISIS/Turks/TFSA.
5. Secure a better economic position by restarting the mines/oil fields in East Hama/Palmyra. Hopefully then, Syria can start having fewer emigres and some refugees return.

Nonetheless, despite this being the most likely route for 2017, multiple issues could go wrong.
1. FSA can stop killing itself and coordinating. A united Islamists/FSA front with coordination between TFSA/Idlib/Ghouta/Daraa/NFSA would make life really difficult for the SAA and Kurds.
2. Turkey may significantly increase its presence after the USA war against ISIS diminishes (late this year).
3. Russia/Iran may decide things are going really well, and pull some support away.
4. Black Swan event. Maybe Assad will get assassinated or the Israeli's will launch a large attack on Syria's air force. Maybe Khomeini will die.

As always, this war isn't ending any time soon and predictions are fraught with error. But I think the writing is on the wall. If government progress continues as it has, it will only speed up further.

>>34158113
Change your name to "Syrian General".

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>>34158067

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMbAANfUJhI

Cont*

On a more interesting note, what do y'all think of Russia's intervention?

It is approaching 2 years in time and they appear to have gone from esclation, deescalation, escalation, deescalation, and back to escalation.

The latest numbers state that they've spent about $2 billion during that time. So they've been doing this on a shoestring budget using cold war stockpiles and spetnaz/contractors.

Putin and his strategists obviously know how to do wars in the 21st century. Hint- not like what the USA did in 2001 and 2003.

Well, what does everyone think the significance of the intervention is? I am going with
1. Boosts a Russian ally.
2. Makes Russia appear credible to her allies, especially after Libya.
3. Showcases Russian weaponry to the world.
4. Gets training/experience for Russia.
5. Geopolitically bloodies the Western interventionists (France/UK/USA)'s noses. NATO as a whole doesn't really fit that group since it has Germany/Italy/Netherlands.

#Syria "5 Military Teams ready in 3 Axis's to start process of Liberatin #Daraa #SAA/Allies began to deploy rockets awaiting signal to Start


#Syria "5 Military Teams ready in 3 Axis's to start process of Liberatin #Daraa #SAA/Allies began to deploy rockets awaiting signal to Start

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SAA getting absolutely hammered in Daraa at the moment, 25 KIA trying to advance on the camp north of the canal

Even more Hezbollah fighters died again today on the outskirts of al-Manshiyah District as well

Government seems to be shelling and airstriking the area like crazy for the 2nd day in a row, over 100 IRAMs launched into that area

Overall the big government offensive in Daraa has predictably fallen flat on its face but could be bound to change just from the sheer amount of firepower raining down

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>SDF captured Khatuniyah, Hawi Hawa, Mazraat Rabia and Mazraat Qahtaniyah. 6 villages besieged - west of #Raqqa
VERY close now

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>>34158465
Causulties are high on attackers side ,its normal ,but jihadists are suffering heavy losses and first line of defense was broken today.

22 HTS members killed today in Daraa ( other grps causulties not included):

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>>34158465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ZIVTMp1Gw

Drone footage shows government and foreign militiamen fleeing from the FSA in Manshiyah district, probably Iraqi or Afghanis bussed in by the IRCG

Daraa has to be one of the most hostile areas to be deployed at the moment if you're the SAA

>>34158487
Its a true meat grinder that is for sure, loving all the footage we are getting from it

>>34158494
Common SAA tactic for uraban warfare since Russian intervention.

Used in Aleppo very often.

Wait for counter attack , and grping for enemy forces , retreat > airstrike/artie =high causlties

this explains high causulties on jihadists side eventho they are the one that are defending

>>34158494
they will keep poking jihadists with afghan/iraqi militias and rain down hell on them

jihadists always take the bait

>>34158549
The rebels in Daraa aren't exactly the same, unorganized Jihadists from Aleppo, they've been dealing with this and even having victory in certain cases for years against the SAA

Its why the Southern Front has always been one of the most static areas in the civil war, neither side can really take each other out, the Jordanians and Americans have pumped in a lot of money, training, and equipment and when you combine that with a lot of former SAA defectors making up the groups down there you got a recipe for a true battle

>>34158563
you cant avoid it tho , u can lower your causulties but cant do much because SAA has a lot iraqi/iranian/afgghan militias that they use to poke enemy and absolute fire power superiority

they will send these low tier troops to poke jihadists , at that point jihadists have to hold defense line and occupy forward defense positions to repell attack and then arti/aistrikes hit

in this case SAA is losing low tier troops ( totally expendable ) while jihadists are losing actually good troops

once jihadists are weakend ,after days of higj causulties , SAA will send good troops to make gains and hold taken positions

>>34158643
A lot of Hezbollah guys have gotten KIA'd the past two days trying to lead those militias, losing that kind of light infantry is a loss regardless, even if they are leading NDF retards in sandals to be artillery bait

>>34158657
absolutely ,but SAA are attacking ,this was expected

ratio is 3:1=attacker:defender in terms of causulties usually , so high causulties are expected and SAA is prepared on this 100%

at this point things are going according to plan ,if this continues for week obviously its not sustainable ,but atm its okay

>>34158479

I have been wondering what the kurds have been doing the last few days, after they got that rather unspecified US weapon shipment. Any sign of what they actually received, and is it doing any difference?

>>34158717
Guess they got a bunch of shit like MRAPs, they haven't gotten any real heavy equipment like big artillery pieces or tanks from what I've seen but that could always change

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I'm staying out of the Daraa dick swinging for now. It's true the SAA/Saaf/Ruaf are pounding rebel positions with massive airstrikes and it's also true rebels have shown to be resilient in defending against the offensive. Tl;dr too early to tell with both sides on full propaganda mode.

Since things are nearly the same as yesterday i'm jumping into some new dirt. A new US/NSA outpost has been outed 70kms east of Al Tanf.

>>34158768
US seems to be doubling down on al-Tanf which could be a major blow for IRCG operations in Syria as establishing that land link into Iraq was crucial for everyone from logistics to political victories

The next option the PMUs have within Syria is trying to go down the border from the north and try and reach al-Qa'im which isn't really realistic if you look how much open desert they have to get through.

Another option is the SAA and their proxies going for Dez and pushing south down the Euphrates, but it is obvious how BADLY they want al-Tanf.

>>34158800
really curious if theres really established "deescalation zone" around Al Tanf " between Russia and US as US is claiming , if it is , SAA is fucked ,if its not , Russia definetely has plan to deal with US in Al Tanf

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#Russia servicemen of 2nd Tamanskaya Motor Rifle Division fighting in #Syria: https://informnapalm.org/en/servicemen-2nd-tamanskaya-motor-rifle-division-fighting-syria/ …

>>34158829
I'm guessing the US and Russian reached some kind of agreement judging by the complete lack of response on the Russian side.

I think they realize that the US is indeed there to fuck with ISIS in the South/Eastern parts of the desert, there is just a time and place for everything and trying to boot the US out on the border when they were putting in legitimate work against ISIS in that area is counter productive (in Russia's eyes)

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>>34158768
Early map post Masknah as the SAA rolls along but not is all well as IS in Deir Ezzor continues pressure on the SAA pocket with claiming to have captured the police station on the main road today. Ruaf using cluster bombs trying to beat them back. Video is of IS earlier in the driving school next to the Panorama. SAA still holding on there.

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/871425882216431618

>>34158852
Aren't militias pushing there all the time? Last time US conducted airstrike on them

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new northkorean anti aircraft system
>dunno where to dump it. but i had to do it.

>>34158879
Not really, they haven't made any big push since they got airstriked then the FSA attacked them at their gathering point near Zaza CP, they haven't gone east since

The US has doubled down and even some Norwegian SF guys are in the area now, so any further advances are 100% going to get droned

>>34158852
Come on lets be real US fights ISIS ofc ,but their main goal is to occupy Syria via proxies like Kurds and FSA and to block SAA advances and ISIS is only excuse...


but its hard to know what Russia plan is ,maybe they dont want PMU is in Syria since it would increase Irans influence in Syria

Russia is rare non western country that actually understands geopolitics ,they are not naive to believe US is fighting ISIS for sake of defeating terrorism

>>34158852
Russia is probly ready for compromise over Syria with US/West to not worsen relations with US and the West ,while Iran is not ready for compromise

>>34158947
The primary objective of those forces in Tanf are to fight ISIS, whether it has underlying political objectives like creating a force capable of resisting pro-Assad forces in the region is something you can assume to be real, it doesn't change the fact how well they've performed against ISIS and the impact they've had in that area of the country.

They secured the border crossing and created a mobile rebel group that isn't completely retarded, this is a success for the Americans in a conflict where success outside of the SDF is few and far between.

so is there any hope for a US-russian alliance anymore? at least in the mid-east? id say we have the best chance under trump but the cruse missile thing is gonna take a while to cool down

So is ISIS done as a thing or will it just come back when Congress inevitably begins cutting the money pump into Iraq's government. Because I'm getting a lot of deja vu with all the "gains" happening now, it reminds me of 2009 and 2010.

t. not informed on this issue

>>34158947
although i think trump is wising up to how bad of an idea that is since they'll just turn on us again. hopefully he'll follow through and just pull out once ISIS and iran have been dealt with, but im not gonna hold my breath

>>34159047
theyre kind of fucked right now, no new territory gains (just recapturing lost stuff and losing it again), lower recruitment and Mattis is getting serious about bombing raids and ground forces
theyre done

>>34159032

Nope, the media have already hyped up the anti-Russia shit and Trump will cast himself as a victim of their aggression to score brownie points while getting alphabet soup agencies' expansions authorized.

I think the real question is who pulls out first, now that the job is """"done"""" (at least on paper). If Russia backs off of Assad the US will be able to strongarm him into some sort of deal, but if America backs off Iran will quickly move closer to Iraq's shia government and militias. Both present opportunities for ISIS to regroup and rebuild.

>>34159032
The US and Russia have some mutual goals (stabilizing Syria and Iraq, defeating ISIS), but the US just went through an administration change and clearly have different views on how they want to stabilize Syria.

They don't like the Assad regime, but have come to accept he isn't going anywhere which is a good step. You will never see some grand, alliance like a lot of /pol/ fan boys were RPing over during the election era for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean Russia and the US won't continue to de-escalate any issues they counter and continue to drive ISIS out of Syria.

I think the Americans want to counter Iranian influence as much as possible while building an ally they can tap into (the Kurds) like they did in Iraq before they completely pull out in a post-ISIS Syria.

>>34159076

How is that any different from Obama's use of drone airstrikes and special forces.

>>34158990
One of goals of those forces is to fight ISIS.Its not main goal tho, main goal is to deny syrian government control over border crossing.

At the moment US dont gives a fuck about ISIS. ISIS is done. 90% of US strategy that will involve ISIS in future its main goal wont be fight against ISIS ,but fight against Iran , syrian govenrment and imposing influence over ME.

US is not naive and dumb to believe ISIS is some kind of threat to US , threat to US interests in ME are Iran and Russia . To understand what and why US is doing what they are doing in ME you have to look from this perspective.

McCain is malicious cunt ,but at least he was honest ,when he said Russia is greater threat to US then ISIS .

>>34158912

Norwegian and British SF, unless the latter have moved elsewhere. We are talking about small units either way.

>>34159098
>main goal is to deny syrian government control over border crossing.

Well no shit because once that highway is open a flood of Iranian backed PMUs will flood into Syria kek

Daesh has broken through SAA front-lines in Deir Ezzor. If Tal SyriaTel & Tal Umm Abboud fall tonight, Daesh will take Deir's southern gate

I was told situation is not good at the moment. Daesh launched another big attack tonight that fractured the SAA's defenses.


BAD situation in Deir

>>34158947

Occupy with Syria with kurd forces? They are only about 8% of the Syrian population. Much as I respect them, they can't be everywhere and they have not expressed a wish to be so either. Not even the current US leadership can't be that deluded. Can they?

>>34159139
Kurds wont give land back and US didnt invest into Kurds just so they in the end return under Assads control.

>>34159096
There really hasn't been that much of a change between Obama's policy at the end and the current admins change, if anything they've doubled down on it with backing and arming the Kurds (something Obama waited for the next admin to decide on) and using SF to conduct raids within Syria all while droning and airstriking the fuck out of everything

Honestly people give Obama way too much shit about Syria, what was the guy going to do, invade and decapitate the Baathist regime like he did in Libya causing all kinds of havoc? He waited and reacted to the situation the best he could, by the end of his administration I think he did a pretty solid job of trying to salvage a near unwinnable scenario in Syria by backing the Kurds and beginning the fall of ISIS

>>34159139
I don't think he explained it well or he is mislead, the Kurds explicitly aren't going to occupy most of Syria, but they'll use the land they've captured to negotiate a very favorable deal in a post ISIS Syria by trading back all that land to the government in return for Autonomy in the same vein the Iraqi kurds have for their Kurdish cantons.

I think both the US and the Russians would find this highly acceptable as it would give the Americans a life line in Syria and it would give the Syrian government an ally in a fight against the inevitable insurgency that will follow the civil war all while avoiding the costly conflict that would occur between the SDF and SAA.

>>34159047

IS don't have a lot of legs left to stand on. In a military sense. In a political sense they are going to be far more vital than say Al Quaida. Always some big brown eyed recruits to be found in London, Paris, Washington DC who are capable of starting a car or lift an axe. And you can't send soldiers or secret agents to fight an idea, a misguided anger, a delight in causing pain. What IS represents is here to stay. It has always been here, under other hats and names.

>>34159139
Kurds are like Israelis ,once they take land ,theres no chance they will give it back . Just a bit more dumber and poorer version of Jews.

And US ofc wont allow northern Syria to go back under Assad.

Only issue for US regarding Kurds is Turkey ,they need to find way so Kurdish northern Syria becomes acceptabl for Turks .They are most likely working on it already. Probly cleansing radical elements in SDF , breaking connections with PKK etc ....

>>34159158

Kurds will negotiate the return of the taken lands to Assad, and it is the wise choice. They'll get something like autonomy while retaining the support and gratitude given to liberators. What the US has 'invested' in their cause is far more dubious. How were they going to keep all that land anyway? Not a kurd villager in sight, and no military system to support a long term occupation.

>>34159199
The SDF leadership from the top down has explicitly said they do not plan on holding onto land south of the Euphrates and already have plans on handing over Taqba.

I know you think the SDF are some evil enemy but at least research their positions first, if this was true they wouldn't have ceded that land to the SAA in northern Aleppo to create a buffer between them and the Turks.

Not only have they said they'd give land back, but there is precedent now since they literally gave land back to the SAA kek. They aren't going to hold all that land, there is no reason to. They will use that land to negotiate either statehood or autonomy.

>>34159199

We will have to agree to disagree, then. I think they will give it back for a price, you think they will stay- We shall see by the end of summer, perhaps?

I am however amused that you think the US are able to 'cleanse' SDF ranks. So far I am not impressed with US agent legwork in the Middle east.

>>34159120
Backing you on this. Reports of heavy fighting at least. IS throwing the kitchen sink this time at the pocket from multiple angles. Ruaf better scramble some Su-25s or something.

>>34159199
"military system to support a long term"occupation" ,they have US ,SAA wont attack ,they simply wont

also it will take years and years for SAA to be strong enough to be ready to fight Kurds in north and when that moment comes politically things will be established there , SAA has to fight while things are hot ,once they cool down they wont be able to much

Look at Donetsk ,only way Donteks integrates back to Ukraine is if Russia allows ,same with Kurds in Syria ,but only if US allows ,and they wont

>>34159166

>Honestly people give Obama way too much shit about Syria, what was the guy going to do, invade and decapitate the Baathist regime like he did in Libya causing all kinds of havoc? He waited and reacted to the situation the best he could, by the end of his administration I think he did a pretty solid job of trying to salvage a near unwinnable scenario in Syria by backing the Kurds and beginning the fall of ISIS

Or he could have just accepted Assad was a necessary evil and stopped trying to get him out. It would have pissed off Israel, but making some sort of deal would have prevented ISIS from spreading so far so quickly. The whole FSA situation was a bad idea. Of course House Republicans (and Trump himself) would loathe it like they loathe the Iran Deal, but at least right now it's still in effect despite the Republican majority.

It's critical to remember that all this shit only started because Obama tried to fire up the Arab Spring. He tried to do onto Syria what he did onto Libya and Egypt, and got burned badly over it. Stupid decisions deserve stupid rewards.

>>34159265
The Kurds are somehow one of the few groups the Americans have gotten to work in a region where their human asset failures are astounding. They were good partners in Iraq and now Syria. Not even sure what the deal is really or why they work so well together.

>>34159281
The Kurds want a political settlement for either autonomy or independence, not working with the government (when they said they are willing to and have already done so in areas like northern Aleppo and now Taqba) goes against your analysis.

There is precedent that the Kurds are willing to work with the Syrian government, there is no precedent they are unwilling to do so and hold onto all that land.

>>34159290
>Or he could have just accepted Assad was a necessary evil and stopped trying to get him out.

Agreed, that would have been the ideal scenario, but politics are muddied and hind sight is 20-20.

>>34159300
they've worked with the government in the afrin and aleppo cantons as well
this whole meme that the kurds arent going to work with the government despite already doing so is just a weird analysis of the war
getting autonomy in syria and recognition would be a major political and cultural win for them

>>34159300
Kurds are both willing and unwilling to work with syrian government ,it all depends on their interests


this is just one example how much Kurds are "willing " (unwilling) to work with government :
Meangh base:
About 70 soldiers, who managed to retreat from the base during the battle, surrendered themselves (and two tanks) the next day to Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) forces in the town of Afrin, about 15 kilometers west of the airbase.[14][31] It was later reported that the surrendered troops were from the 17th Division and the unit's senior officers were turned over by the YPG to al-Nusra in exchange for Kurdish prisoners.[32] The Islamist group then executed the officers they had received.

Kurds dont want autonomy only , Kurds had decent status in Assads Syria ,its not about rights /freedom etc... Kurds want their state.

Once war broke out they could have fought with SAA they chose to not ,but decided to create SDF later on.

>>34159428
>Once war broke out they could have fought with SAA they chose to not

Well no shit, the government has been awful to the Syrian Kurds since the beginning of the states creation, why the fuck would they choose them at the beginning of a rebellion? They largely stuck to their own cantons.

Things have changed, there is precedent of cooperation in all three Kurdish cantons between the government and the Kurds.

>>34159428
Most of Kurds have no loyality to syrian government , they dont hate syrian government ,but they would chose anyday their own state /autonomy over Syrian goverment .

>>34159447
The Kurds aren't dumb, they know they need to work a deal with Assad for that autonomy

>>34159441
Ofc cooperation exists , but their readiness to cooperate with governmant doesnt indicate in any way that they are ready to be part of Syria again.

>>34159482
Kurds will become US proxies whatever happens.

autonomy or total independence .

Hopefully Assad will be smart and say fuck off to Kurds and let them have their own thing in north , Kurds will be eternal destabilization factor as long as they are part of Syria.

>>34159521
>Kurds will become US proxies whatever happens.

Duh, just like they are in Iraq as well.

>>34159488
>but their readiness to cooperate with governmant doesnt indicate in any way that they are ready to be part of Syria again.

What are you on about, it does though, they already have plans to hand over Taqba and have already ceded land in Northern Aleppo to the government, there is large precedent of cooperation.

>>34159565
"ceded land in Northern Aleppo"

1 and only reason : to avoid getting annihilated by Turks

" have plans to hand over Taqba" who said that ,if I remember correctly it was classified as rumor ?(very uncofirmed )

>>34159521

US proxies. Exactly how much help have the US given the kurds so far, in Iraq or in Syria? What does the kurds have to be thankful for? As far as I can see the US have been piggybacking, a few dozen SF units here and there, and there is that weapon shipment earlier this week. But by and large I don't see the US contributing much more than 'oh what noble savages, we really would have helped then except we'd piss off the shias and the turks'. Germany have given them more weapons. Germany!

>>34159624
Germany is US colony

>>34159488
>>34159521
A Kurdish state outside of Syria is a Turk free-fire zone. Yes the US wants them as a proxy in the region, but they are not likely to choose them over Turkey, Turkey may be a fucking shit 'ally' that everyone would rather not deal with but they're still extremely relevant to keep onside. And a Kurdish state on their dorrstep is a huge nono.

>>34159565
On the flipside there's also precedent for them fighting SAA, they did in the very early days and have done since when there's been disagreements, shit could still flare up between them for some dumb reason again.

>>34159624
Apart from the weapons (heaps of ATGM in particular), miscellaneous other gear and variety of 'advisors'? How about a fuckload of air support that they certainly couldn't get from anyone else? Things would have been far worse for the Kurds a number of times if not for USAF/USN shitting on IS for them.

>>34159717
>shit could still flare up between them for some dumb reason again.

Indeed, but from a political standpoint there is far more for them to gain by working with the government like they are now versus creating a juggernaut of an enemy

>>34159640

Yeah, I could see the love between Trump and Merkel the other day. Your last straw is getting thin.

>>34159743
it has nothing to do with current administrations of both countries.

>>34159717

Sure the kurds have benefited from the US/Allies bombing party. So has the Iraqi Army, the SAA, the Russians and the Saudis. But it hasn't exactly been CAS, has it?

>>34159743
Germany doesnt run show in ME ,US does

>>34159784

This is entirely out of the scope of this thread. But over here in Europe, the relations between us and the US has gotten weaker for some time and I don't mean since Trump showed up. Trade negotiations, environmental issues, military cooperation, exchange of secrets, US wiretapping of Euro leaders - this is not a friendship growing thicker as time progresses. The Russian strong arm keeps getting more visible, even China is putting on the top hat again. Meanwhile, 'muh Amerrica'...

>>34159797

First article I can find quotes German military aid to the Peshmerga alone as in the range of a 100 million usd. Plus combat training of 10.000 soldiers. That article is a year old. Not bad for a country that isn't involved, eh.

>>34159888
We are selling a lot of weapons to Saudis why ? because thats what we agreed with US

Germany is involved ,but not in charge

>>34159911

Enjoy.

http://www.dw.com/en/saudi-arabia-wants-no-more-german-weapons-report/a-38647662

That said, looks like it was a good export while it lasted. I guess the difference is that Germany, just like France and USA and Russia, are all major worldwide weapon exporter - but the weapons to the kurds were a gift.

>>34159229
>The SDF leadership from the top down has explicitly said they do not plan on holding onto land south of the Euphrates and already have plans on handing over Taqba.
well kinda but not really. SDF will hold on to it, but they'll created a civilian and military council of natives to look after it. tabqa and raqqa won't be ruled by kurds, but they;ll still be yellow on the map.

>>34159521
The destabilising factor in Syria is the failed Baathist dogma of iron centralisation and a dictatorship of a minority religious sect. It led to the war, and it will remain so after the war. Northern Syria is exemplary in its peace and security and doesn't antagonise Damascus in the slightest.

>>34160491

Create a civilian and military local council. Really? In sunni territory, without a kurd villager to be seen in the entire areas? A council without military strength based in the Assad regime? I find it hard to imagine the kurds would bother trying, but even hard to imagine the locals would want to live that dangerously. A rudimentary force to protect the local area is fine, but to create it in Assad's face? They'd just be asking for having mafia/militia crawling all over the place.

>>34160548

You must be joking. Northern Syria is a standing temptation for Turkey even if it was populated entirely by hobbits and flower fairies.

>>34160548
What led to war were US&Friends continues efforts to overthrow Assad and current Syrian government.

No revolution starts without foreign effortsand funding.

#Syria #DeirEzZor Very UNCONFIRMED claims Brigadier General Issam Zahreddine wounded after ISIS bombing of #SRG HQ in "Municipal Villas"


#Issam lives on

>>34159300
>The Kurds are somehow one of the few groups the Americans have gotten to work in a region where their human asset failures are astounding. They were good partners in Iraq and now Syria. Not even sure what the deal is really or why they work so well together.

I wanted to poke a little more at this 'partnership' concept. It seems like so long ago it started. The part I remember was about the IS kicking and gouging their feet into kurd territory in Iraq. Just like the IS did with the shia, who crumbled and ran at the firt sight of a black flag. But the kurd flag remained and the kurds fought for it in Kobane and other places,. stopping the gaps witb girls with guns and little else. Bomb belts ready for the last stand, any time.Som western respect startet tro rise thenI like that look into kurd eyes, I liked what I saw .Maybe the Americans saw it too.

We need a new thread.