Affordable AK's

>>34106142
Get a wasr or one of those psa gen 2 aks

vepr

>>34106190
>>34106203
Ah those seems like good rifle. I was gonna get the century arms ras47 but heard so much shit about it. I love the magpul look though, is it easy changing out all of the wooden furniture?

>>34106268
Yea its pretty easy to change the furniture.

>>34106142
>ar15s are high-maintenance and difficult to clean
Stop it with this meme.
Buy an AK if you want one, but it's not going to be any better than an AR for your SHTF fantasies. You won't be engaged in long gun battles and burning away hundreds of rounds of ammo without a chance to clean your rifle, so any difference in maint will be negligible to you anyway.

Even if SHTF does happen and you find yourself in need of a rifle, an AR is probably going to be better for you anyway, since you'll probably carry it more than shoot it.

>>34106455
>High-maintenance
>Difficult to clean

I'm glad you put words in my mouth, I didn't say either of those, I said the amount. There are many other factors besides shooting, like weather and terrain. For instance, if I have to crawl through muddy shit or a lot of debris gets into the gun, I'd rather it not jam and function just fine without having to make more lubed that your asshole. AK's you can do it dry, with no lube, like a real man.

>>34106268
>magpul furniture on ak
please stick to your ar, we don't want you.

>>34106530
also, for the price go for wasr

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I'd say, if you're okay with obscure furniture on your rifle, pick up and AMD-65, ClassicFirearms has them for about 500 and mines been great. I've only put around 1500 rounds through it, but no issues besides burns on my left hand after magdumping.

It's design makes it pretty damn light for an AK, lighter than my AR15 to be real (My AR is a Diamondback)

People will complain about the barrel, as it's origins are obscured, but honestly, I've been hitting dinner plates at around 150 yards with ironsights, and I doubt that I'll somehow shoot out the barrel in my lifetime.

>>34106527
And now we wait for someone to post the mudtest video again

>>34106540
didn't even think about a amd-65, that is a good choice as well.

>>34106527
If you're worried about crawling through mud and debris getting into the gun, get the one that doesn't have an exposed bolt inviting all that shit to find its way into the receiver.

>>34106540
Forgot to mention, Classic has "AMD-63s" for sale at the same price, which supposedly use the normal AK pattern trunnion, I can't vouch for it though, I don't own one.

>>34106547
thats the thing, the reliability of an AK doesn't come from it stopping getting shit inside of it, it comes from how easy it is to fix the problem. retards still think the mud test means ak > ar for reliability. Get an ak and an ar and keep firing until one gives up, its obv which one will eat the shit.

>>34106560
ar > ak* oops

>>34106527
> I'm fairly new to guns
> Let me lecture you gun nuts on why one of the best designed weapons platforms in history is baaad
Do you want advice or not?

>>34106578
>implying you're not noguns
don't listen to him op, you're right in that ARs are more maintenance and are more difficult to clean and keep clean then ANY ak variant. ARfags still compare the ar-15 to the akm, a design that's much older and has seen more use globally then the ar ever will. Let's not even start with comparing the ar to a modern ak, it's a fucking bloodbath.

>>34106560
Now you're just wandering around from one thing to another and talking out of your ass.

Never mind all the other holes in your logic, do you seriously think that not only SHTF will happen, but you'll be in a position where you'll have to keep firing one or the other until one gives up? Are you sitting on a stash of 5000 rounds of ammo to even have this concern to begin with? Will you be dragging your 5000 rounds with you through weather, terrain, and "muddy shit"?

For all practical intents and purposes, either one will be far more than reliable enough for your "need" even if you do intend to crawl through muddy shit - if anything, a modern AR will probably do better in those circumstances than an AK, but that's a discussion that's not even worth having at this point.

Realistically, you'll be better served by something lighter weight, more compact, more accurate, and softer recoiling. An AR checks all of these boxes.

If you were a dumb peasant conscript with only two brain cells to rub together and about as many rounds to practice with on the range who needed a cheap, durable bullet slinger, AK.
I'm starting to doubt you have more than two brain cells, but none the less, an AK shouldn't be your first choice.

Get an AK if you want one, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's the end-all-be-all ultimate shtf-teowaki-gfyad rifle when better options exist for your particular purpose.

>>34106142
watch every video by AK OPERATORS UNION. Rob is the true prophet of everything AK

>>34106142
>the amount maintenance and cleaning makes it seem not worth it
Do you want to know how I know you don't own an AR?

>>34106604
Alright faggot, let's stop comparing the ar to one of the oldest versions of the ak and pair it up with something more up to date. Take the AK-74 for example, softer recoiling and more accurate then the old AKM with the 5.45 round. The only thing giving ARs the edge is how you can obtain one for the same price as an ak nowadays, there's a reason countries world wide choose the ak platform over the ar platform, but go ahead and tell them that you know better. I can go to any range in my state and outshoot any fudd with a magpul ar15 with my 74.

>>34106142
>have an AR
>heard of reliability issues with ARs
Which is it, do you own one or not?
Buy ammo instead of wasting it on another rifle that you don't need. Practice shooting what you have. There's nothing wrong with AR reliability anymore.

>>34106619
Can you show us your amazing ak?

>>34106619
>you can obtain one for the same price as an ak
Try half the price - especially if you're looking at 5.45 rifles - also have fun finding good ammo at good prices.

You also have to understand that mechanically speaking, not a whole lot changed from the original milled AK47 to the AKM, and from the AK74 to the AK74M. They all lack bolt hold opens, they all have a short sight radius because the rear sight is mounted to the front trunnion, they're all heavier than their modern counterparts, and they all have a bolt that's wide open to the world and all of its shitty mud and muddy shit.

Listen, I'm not saying that the AK is an intrinsically bad design - it's not. It was revolutionary, and it still does what it was made to. That doesn't mean it's instilled with Russian magic when an Eastern Orthodox priest sprinkles holy water on it that somehow makes it better at everything just because you want it to be.

ARs have their flaws too - but they don't have as much impact on a civilian shooter as an AK does.

I think all hasguns should have at least one AK and at least one AR.

AKs and ARs are both well-made designs for assault rifles. They're both accurate enough for battle and reliable enough for war. I believe no collection is complete without an AK and AR.

If you're looking for a cheap AK that will work well, a pawn shop WASR can be had for $400-$500. I got mine 4 years ago for 400 bucks at a pawn shop and since then I've only cleaned it twice and have fed it over 3,000 rounds of Walmart Tula without a single hiccup or jam. I don't even know what it looks like to clear a malfunction on a WASR, Vepr, or an Arsenal, I've never experienced it with either of mine.

My dad has a Yugo PAP AK pistol that he bought at another pawn shop for $450 and it's really fun to shoot. He put a buffer tube and a Shockwave Blade brace on it and I prefer shooting that more than my AR pistols.

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>>34106631
dont have the 74 at my house right now, but theres the akm.
>>34106640
civilian shooting the ar15 is definately better and i'll admit that with its availability and the amount of accessories for it, but if I was in a combat scenario where i'd be getting dirty i'd grab the 74 if the ammo was prevalent.

>>34106604
That's not OP, faggot. I'm op.

>>34106654
Civilian shooting in this case also includes SHTF.
Unless you're going to bug out into the everglades and become The Swamp Thing, they're both plenty reliable and resilient to the elements. The AR brings many advantages to the table that the AK doesn't, though.

>>34106689
still, how are you going to pick the gun that doesn't have wood on it? how are you going to look aesthetic when its made out of plastic?

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>>34106717
triangular handguards, motherfucker.
that's how.

>>34106726
i guess the A1s are pretty aesthetic.

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>>34106726
in this moment I am EUPHORIC
>>34106732
YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT THEY ARE.

If you are going to traverse a lot of muddy shit that would fuck up an ar, it's probably better to get a bolt action or a saiga with slug ammo, depending on distance of engagement. You'd still have to clean your saiga a lot, but a bolt action is generally crazy reliable.

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>>34106726

A2 is objectively superior to the A1 in terms of aesthetics. It is the M16 in it's most purest form.

>>34106142
>I already have an AR but it seems those would be less practical in that situation.

t. guy who has no fucking idea what he is talking about

Also, if you are concerned with reliability you could get a double barrel - with some instruments and knowledge you could even make one from scratch, perfect for SHTF. Repairs and maintenance are as difficult as outsmarting a child in quantum physics.

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>>34106619
>there's a reason countries world wide choose the ak platform over the ar platform

Because they're poor? Because they don't manufacture AR rifles since it's an American patent and therefore only sees their land if it flies over loaded and in our hands?

>>34106752
>A2 is objectively superior to the A1 in terms of aesthetics
Except that's objectively wrong and it's probably one of the least aesthetic M16's to exist.

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>>34106548
They do

>>34106646
I want a classic looking full stock ak in 7.62×39 for under $1000, what's my best bet?

>>34106142
Nigger, what targets do you think you are going to engage? Just get a long range hunting rifle with a good optic. Then you don't have to get so close.

1. SHTF will never happen. Natural disasters will, however. Your rifle only needs to last long enough to evacuate, which brings me to my next point;
2. Even the worst AR-15 only needs to be cleaned on intervals measured in thousands of rounds. Your average XM-15E2S will eat 2,000 rounds of Tulammo before its first malfunction. You will not be carrying this much ammo and you will never see reason to expend it all.

Your AR is a fine bug-out rifle. If you've not hung all manner of bullshit off it, it is better. More accurate at range, lighter. The two things that actually matter. I say that owning a WASR. I'd sooner use a $400 PSA AR for such a purpose than the WASR, which is bulky, heavy, and has .30-30 rainbow ballistics, which is not enough to engage a lone gunman entrenched with a .308 which is the most reasonable dangerous threat you should expect to face.

Worry about your food, water and destination before you worry about the rifle.

Everyone should have one of each and PSAs/WASRs are cheap enough for even poorfags to do so these days.

>>34106142
Just let me have one...

Really the best use of your money (if you really care about SHTF) is to buy some acres and a trailer and a water tank.

>>34106527
0/10 why did you niggers respond

>>34107905
Lol
Yeah because pandemics have never happened before and were like totally way more secure today even though we're more vulnerable than ever to economic disruptions due to globalism, centralization and reliance on fossil fuels compared to the early 1900s.

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>>34106640
>Half the price
>Need $1000 in attachments for the promised performance

just get a wasr

>>34107830
>want gud AK
>$1000 or less
Either a used Arsenal for the best bang for your buck, or a decent WASR and use the leftover cash to buy mags, ammo and accessories. AKs are pretty simple and easy to get into, as long as you avoid the bad stuff. Romanian, Yugo, Chinese, Bulgarian, and Russian AKs are usually fine.

Try to stay away from C39s, Maadi's, I.O. Inc, or Waffen AKs. I don't have enough firsthand experience to vouch for them but I've heard from lots of fun shops and range buddies that those aren't very noob friendly when it comes to new AK owners, because of how difficult they can be.

>>34108694
This, cityfags will be the first to go.

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>>34108978
Are you retarded?

>>34106530
>we

>>34106268
>RAS-47
FUCKING DONT

>>34106640
>muh short sight radius
AK's have the same fucking sight radius and Carbine length AR's

>>34106540
DON'T DO THIS. THESE ONES HAVE SHIT QUALITY BARRELS

>>34106190
agreed. ak buying is very simple. wasr or PSA gen 2. might wait for the premium PSA with all forged parts though.

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>>34106527
ARs have dust covers for that reason. They do a pretty good job

How many AK vs AR threads do we have a week?

>>34109301
>comparing rifles to carbines

Besides, don't forget that shitty notch sights halfway down the rifle are harder to use than a peep sight up close.

>>34109683
It's like you actually prefer worse situational awareness

>>34106142
A converted VEPR will run you about $1k, as will an aresnal. You can probably find a mak-90 in that price range. If not, learn how to inspect an ak and look around for a good wasr

>>34109695
It's like you actually prefer worse accuracy

>>34109683
>carbines arent rifles
>my preference is fact
Wew lad

>>34106726
AR was and always will be an aesthetic dumpster fire. AK, too. It's like comparing my apartment building to the Arc De Triumphe.

>>34109754
>he enters an old house
>rounds a corner
>cheek welded to stock and looking through a peep

HAHAHAH

How much is an arsenal slr107cr worth nowadays?

>>34109754
Also 1913 is calling and looking for its marksman doctrine back

>>34109485
As long as the bolt and trunnion are forged your good.
You can replace the carrier pretty easy.

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Get an M92 PAP and throw a Galil Ace brace or an actual stock if you SBR it.

I just got mine a few months ago.

>$550
>Overbuilt
>High quality Serbian AK
>Not RASshit
>Better quality than Romanian stuff
>Neat

For a couple extra bones you can get a full size Yugo M70 and they're extremely tough/reliable/well made.


My only complaint is that they aren't compatible with most Warsaw/AK Standard furniture. Not a big issue though, they both have a nice after market.

Sure, I don't know everything about AK's but I'd consider myself knowledgeable. I didn't want the cheapest shit but I couldn't justify an Arsenal, despite loving those too. Both the M92 PAP and the full size Yugo M70 fit the bill and both work for me.

My M92 is my most shot gun of my modest 18 gun collection and it's my first choice for hog hunting with my buddy in his Polaris.


Just my two cents.

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>>34110801

Here's it with the non-gay furniture. I love the red though.

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>>34110801
>>34110830

You can also put polymer on it as well, OP since you like the look. There's also Magpul stuff if you want that specific furniture.

>>34109310
The pre assembled ones are good to go. Calm your tits, shitlips.

>>34107905
SHTF isn't necessarily a permanent, TEOTWAWKI scenario. It could be as simple as a few days of rioting and no power where you need to bug out or defend your castle.

>>34107905
>2. Even the worst AR-15 only needs to be cleaned on intervals measured in thousands of rounds. Your average XM-15E2S will eat 2,000 rounds of Tulammo before its first malfunction. You will not be carrying this much ammo and you will never see reason to expend it all.

I've shot both M4s and M16s and they both jammed like shit.
Failure to feed, failure to extract, etc...

>>34107905
>rainbow ballistics, which is not enough to engage a lone gunman entrenched with a .308
implying your 22 caliber varmint gun is.