debate

>>34105011
Both

Air superiority. I can just bomb them no matter how they try to move about.

Oh fuck off.

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>>34105017
And little wheels for the ones designed to operate specifically in urban areas.

Treads for traversing tough terrain
Legs for climbing uneven terrain
Wheels for driving down roads
There is no best answer, they each have their place

what about one enormous wheel, like a mile in diameter. it will roll over literally anything

>>34105011

Legs that end with threads, which is really just threads with the best suspension possible.

>>34105056
tachikoma a cute

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>>34105011
>>34105017

Individually articulated tread pods. Most of the advantages of wheels, all the advantages of treads, and easier to retrack.

>>34105559
>>34105056
I never understood why there wasn't a good RC version of a tachikoma.

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>>34105011
turbines

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>>34105648
There are, you just have to make them yourself

>>34105648
A E S T H E T I C

>>34105011
It's a debate?
Which country adopted legged tanks?

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>>34105884
probably the ones that rely on lighter tanks like japan, thailand and indonesia, due to the terrain

>>34106745

Japan has the worst possible terrain for legged vehicles. There's a reason they take lighter tanks and thats because of bridges and ease of transportation.

Same as why Russia picked lighter tanks instead of matching parity with the West in terms of size despite having tech parity till the 90s.

Walking tanks would be fucking awful at moving across bridges, even if they could run at 80km/h.

The only mechs that anyone will EVER deploy will at best be exoskeletons that are designed to be 12.7mm resistant and used as terrain based hunter/killers that deploy heavy ATGMs and possibly autocannon round based rifles/vehicle mounted grenade launchers.

But there's no reason to do so when drones function just fine so unless you get some gundam level bullshit where the new reactors used basically just block/absorb all transmissions and distort visual range/electronics then you are living a pipe dream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
both

Is there a more aesthetic vehicle of the "walking tank" variety than the AT-TE?

>>34105011

Legs are slow, are more easily damaged, and can't tackle the same range of terrain that treads can. They are inferior in every respect.

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for a while in japan. a half scale tachikoma would bring you the goods you bought in a store. just use the iOS app to order.

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>>34105554
Russia tried something similar, it didn't work out well

>>34106816
I'm shocked by the lack of robot abuse in that video.

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>>34105017
So something like pic related?

>>34106816
Why didn't they beat it with a stick in this one?

Hovertanks > everything else

http://s931.photobucket.com/user/karlkura7/media/GravSide.jpg.html

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>>34108126
>Make a govertank
>Fire the gun
>Tank goes skidding all over the joint from recoil

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What if instead of making big impractical mechs we make small super dense exoskeletons that can survive metric fuck tons of punishment

>>34106816
Imagine being a normie starting at your new job that happens to be next door to some place called Boston Dynamics, as your pulling into the parking lot their latest creation comes flying out of a door and starts blitzing across the lot.
>NOPENOPENOPE

>>34108210
>your
*you're
Because I know some grammer nazi is gonna call me a retard for being tired.

>>34108126
What if your in neutral and there's a light breeze?

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>>34108210
ITS YOU'RE NOT YOUR YOU RETARDED FUCK!!

>>34105011
Dude those things were slow as shit
AND apparently were better than the turbo tanks because those broke down all the time and nobody in the whole Star Wars universe can build wheel-based transportation properly. How exactly they got so good at building legs but not wheels is a mystery to me.
If you mean real world: treads with articulation
If you mean Star Wars: legs

>>34108481
Didn't most of the factions have to relearn how to do war because they were at peace for so long?

Wings

>>34108200

Sure, but first you need to invent all of the technology to make that possible.

(Technology that, by the way, would be applied to tanks - making them even better)

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>>34108481
>Nobody in the whole star wars universe can build wheel-based transportation properly

Hold me back nigga hold me back

>>34105648
>I never understood why there wasn't a good RC version of a tachikoma
i too wonder this, i also desire some R34 tachikoma

>>34108481
they had to do a lot of climbing over stuff/ traversing difficult terrain. think there was an animated movie or maybe tv show where those walked up a cliff wall

>>34108796
>they had to do a lot of climbing over stuff/ traversing difficult terrain

This is the same sci-fi universe where other tanks float, right? And they travel between the stars using gigantic floating spaceships?

Half of the shit in Star Wars floats or flies, I'm not buying this retarded "they totally had legs for practical reasons" argument. They did it because it looks cool to children and that's it.

>>34108777
>posts biggest POS armoured vehicle in the republics arsenal

Walkers can CLIMB 90 DEGREE CLIFFS

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

>>34108812
https://youtu.be/Z1sM9tjqSa8?t=124
in one of those little picture books with nice pictures off all the vehicles they talk about how gravity on different worlds/ emp storms messed up the hover tanks.

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>>34108796
It was a TV show. And they did.

>>34108832
Imagine being in that situation

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[It ain't me intensifies]

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>>34108852
>that feel when there's a star wars version of the 160th SOAR that flies around clone special forces

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>>34105011
Neither, repulsor tech or bust.

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>>34108887
you and i both know the second that thing comes across a vanguard its toast.

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>>34108895
all three of us know that the third that thing comes across a prowler it's toast.

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>>34108935
>prowler

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>>34105559
>Cute tanks doing cute things in cute ways

>>34108777
>most advanced sensor equipment in the universe
>Still needs a crow's nest

Also what's the deal with the fucking wheels?

>>34108977
>expecting logic from a children's cartoon

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>>34105011
>not legs and wheels

>>34108986
it was really garbage in the live action. much dissapoint

>>34108777

>That thing
>each wheel is comprised of something like 5 individual wheel segments, each individually powered, maintenance is a bitch
>can't turn around to save its life so instead its got a cockpit in the front and back so it can drive in reverse

It's cool as shit and one of my favourite vehicles but its a god awful design

>>34108867
Mace Dindu was truly the best Jedi

>>34108200
i hate power fantasies in videogames.

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>>34105011

Small "jeep" mechs like in Avatar might be handy but huge ass Battletech types mechs ain't.

>>34108777
Dude, those things broke down all the time.
It's in the essential guide to weapons.
Hence why I cited it in my original post.

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This is actually the best thing for tanks. Anything else and you're doing it wrong.

>>34105543
thats why we've made so many legged vehicles over the years.

legs are stupid.

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>>34109800
yes we all saw damnation alley.

>>34108851
What? No cover, if your grapple gets cut you plummet to your death, fighting an enemy who you can only see 1 rank of?

>>34108977
>what are com/sensor arrays
>why do battleships even need a bridge its all super advanced anyway

Height still helps electonics and when your driving a wall of guns on wheels, why not allow your snipers a vantage point on top?

>>34109841
Well... consider a shitty spinner joke turned to a movie I need to check out.

>>34108958
No argument is better than the "but muh 2x dps" meme ive been seeing I guess.

>>34109841
What the actual fuck is the point of that wheel setup outside of trying to climb stairs

>>34109198
In what way is that better than a tank?
>Hit leg, it's immobile and repair is a dick.
>Hit glass, pilot dead.
Also, I can't imagine that thing being too armored, which means you wouldn't need much to knock it out of commission.

>>34109976
Movie cool appearance? Quick way of replacing a blown wheel?

>>34106816
>Dat jump
We Metal Slug soon. Truly SNK was visionary.

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>>34105011
Can I just dump this here ?

>>34110019
Wouldn't that be way too top heavy?

>>34110019
>the original concept for the mantis was going to be a Forerunner vehicle
>decide to make it boring and shitty just like everything else
343 never stops fucking things up do they

>>34109100
What did you fucking expect, anon?

>>34108887
Eat shit and die vanu

>>34109976
How else are we going to cross the steppes of Asia?

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>>34108777

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>>34109198
Love the open canopy. God I hate that movie.

>>34105056
cute!

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>>34108867
>caring about the clone troopers

The whole point was that the Jedi order didn't care about the clones. That's why Anakin and Obi Wan got into a fight and fell to the dark side, Anakin saved a clone trooper instead of following Obi's orders.

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>>34110171
Beep beep outta the way.

>>34109163
>Dindu
>kek
Also you are correct.

>>34108078
Well yeah, but really a major reason why it didn't was that it had huge big wheels AND tiny piddly wheels, because people in those days were fucking stupid apparently.

>>34108832
That scene had some weird things happen in it.
>Be tank driver
>Climbing cliff while under fire
>Fucking 14-year old Jedi apprentice jumps in from... Somewhere
>She lands on windshield
>Right in front of you
>Just standing there
>She's wearing a skirt
>You can see everything
>whatishappening.holomsg

>>34108777

Are those future MRAPs?

>5-story tall pieces of shit that can't go offroad.

>>34110702
Don't forget that Lucas said there's no underwear in space.

>>34109841
>damnation alley
breddy good for 80s sci-fi

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>>34111290
My dream of being a AT-TE pilot just became that much [harder]

>>34111919
>>34110702
>>34111290
Someone get this to /aco/

>>34109987
Well... They were and are mining equipment. Glorified space forklifts that don't need pallets.

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Why not a wheel with legs?

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>>34112370
Kek

>>34110702
ORANGE BUTTCHEEKS

>>34109987
If you blow a tank track, it is forced to roll around in circles until somebody tows it away.

If you damage a leg it can still limp around on that jammed-up leg. If you completely blow off a leg, it still has another leg and two arms. If you blow off both legs it still has two arms. If you blow off one arm it still has the other arm. If you completely amputate every single limb on a humanoid walker vehicle, it might still be able to wiggle around if it has a proper articulated waist, maybe wiggle enough to aim a torso or head mounted weapon at you.

The AMPs in the movie were converted civilian warehouse loaders. The actual military probably has armored ones without the silly giant canopy.

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>>34105648

T600 is also based

>>34113255
Repair damaged tracks is infinitely easier than repairing a damaged leg.

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Zaku is one of the best designed mechas.
>that fucking mono eye
>fucking skirt to protect weak points
>fucking 120 auto cannon
>those T H I C legs.

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>>34105011
legs and sliding.

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IRVING is the future, I for one welcome our new cow/lizard/robot overlords.

>>34113942
And wrasslin.

>>34114023
>see and hear squadmates get wiped out by a pack of these things
>be back stateside
>go anywhere there are cows
>utterly lose your shit, Rambo style

>>34113489
At that moment of damage it does not matter how easy or difficult it is to repair. One is a pillbox (ie ded) and one can still crawl pretty quickly to cover.

It also depends on the propulsion system used.
Gear transmission? The absolute worst you could use for a walker, and it would require a lot of deeply integrated parts to be replaced if they got bent from the impact force.
Electric motor actuators? Depending on the modularity of the parts, you might be able to get away with replacing only the destroyed joints or bones.
Artificial muscles? Lmao field repairs could be done by the mech itself, no engineer on foot required. Detach muscles and replace limbs with spare ones. The salvage work on the broken parts can be done off the field behind friendly lines, so the actual downtime of the unit is minimal.

>>34107688
>can't tackle the same range of terrain that treads can
Legs have higher ground pressure, but treads aren't perfect either. Try moving through rocky terrain, or forests.

Legs are pretty impractical don't get me wrong, but don't misrepresent the issue.

>>34108750
Power armor and Tanks hardly have the same usecase.

>>34108147
Sgt Bilko?

>>34106789
>autocannon round based rifles
i read your post, and i don't care
i want to have a walking autocannon by 2030, we're fucking america, we've done tons of impractical battlefield shit before, we can do it again

>>34108777

These things were acknowledged as flawed design in-universe.

>>34105011
AT-TE's have one of the best mech leg designs. They're great for climbing steep mountains due to proximity to ground level, better mechanical resistance for being shorter and thicker, and if one leg breaks, the other 5 can work just fine without it toppling over.

>>34110013
>SNK
Nazca Corporation.

>>34108750
>Technology that, by the way, would be applied to tanks
Why would a tank need artificial muscles that can stop projectiles ?

>>34114508
>>34115831

You guys are fucking retarded if you can't figure this one out. Like, genuinely clinically retarded. Or maybe you just have no clue whatsoever how anything is built, and think that life is like your sci-fi cartoons.

If you can build a tiny inexhaustible power source that lets you jump over buildings and throw cars with your bare hands, you can also put that same power source into a tank and give it a 200,000 mile range with a top speed of 90 mph whilst powering all the goodies you want (like lasers and railgun). And that's JUST the power source that we're talking about here.

>>34115908
And that super-tank still can't go into buildings or forests, retard.

We didn't get rid of infantry when we invented tanks did we?

>>34115908
>If you can build a tiny inexhaustible power source that lets you jump ove-

No, the power source does not do that.

It feed the artificial muscles of the nanosuit to amplify these actions these muscles are extremely strong, very flexible and unbelievably lightweight as well as power efficient.

So again : why would a tank need artificial muscles that can stop projectiles ?

>>34109198
These already exist and may be rolled out soon for industrial purposes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgFtkMiXms

>>34115978
I'm actually blown away by how quiet that thing is. Is it just sound manipulation in the video?

>>34115908
You can make your tank go as fast as you want; it can and will get stuck in a hole that a few people with shovels can dig. The principle of its propulsion system has inherent weaknesses that can only be compensated for by adding more shit into the equation, more completely separate support systems, more weight.

>>34115986
Electric and low speed machinery can be pretty quiet. But 100% guarantee that thing is tethered and its in a very clean environment, so that might not be the case if it ever goes into the field.

Though I'm not sure what you'd use an $8.5 million dollar mech for...

>>34115986
I would assume it's probably edited audio levels in post. Hydraulics can be fucking loud.

>>34108078
I was in Detroit the other day and saw an old Impala with spoke wheels about that same size.

>>34116005
It's absolutely tethered. You can actually see it in the video. I don't think it'll have combat use for a long time if ever, but I thought I'd post the video either way.

>>34116006
>Hydraulics can be fucking loud.
Are you sure its hydraulic? Here are more photos, teach me how to tell, anon.

This is a bitly code, stupid thing won't let me post even a spaced address.
2iCbjiN

>>34115939
>tanks can't go into forests

wtf

>>34115969

you are fucking retarded, dude. like beaten in the head as a child every single day retarded. like the dog uses you as a fucktoy retarded.

those muscles (which do not exist btw) can't do anything without the power source, which is apparently infinite and incredibly small. if you can't understand how an infinite and incredibly small power source would completely revolutionize everything (not just tanks), then you must have gotten fucked a little too hard by daddy when you were a toddler.

>>34115987
>You can make your tank go as fast as you want; it can and will get stuck in a hole that a few people with shovels can dig.

wtf??

so you think having infinite range and triple the speed is an irrelevant capability that can be stymied by a fucking hole?

why are you so incapable of admitting that giving a tank infinite range and a high speed is an advantage? what made you this way?

I'm not even going to reply to this thread anymore, you tardlets are officially too stupid to deserve my attention.

>>34108852
its like we're in sync

>>34116064
>tanks can't go into forests
>wtf
You've obviously never been in tropical forests, anon. Some are so tight you couldn't get fit a hatchback between the trees let alone an MBT.

>retarded
>retarded
>retarded
>tardlets
You think tanks replace infantry and you're calling others retarded? Are you 5? Do you also think the Desert Eagle is the best handgun ever and should replace have replaced the M9?

>>34108977
The crow's nest is there to dare you to try to fuck with it.

The wheels are part of the Total War strategy. They essentially slice the enemy's roads into ribbons just from driving around while providing supertraction to the tank itself.

>>34105648
>Individually articulated track pods
You'll just have higher ground pressure and bog down way easier off road, retard.

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If artificial muscules and non-shit batteries were to be invented, would this (more specifically a smaller version of) be a viable platform?
>Fast
>Agile
>Can make quick turns around corners/obstacles
Could be useful for urban warfare and to clear whole buildings, just send a fey of them and let them kill anything resembling a human while they map the place

>>34116119
You'll have almost the same ground pressure. You have 80% of the OAL, and because the individual tracks are smaller you can easily make them wider.

>>34116125
Can you make it play La Cucaracha?

>>34116147
Of course, strap a good Sound System and have it do Border Patrol, the Sound will attract illegals

>>34116050
I could be wrong, but I kinda assumed it was hydraulics due to the slight hiss you can hear when it actuates. There's also some sort of cabling going up the back sides of the limbs but those could be electrical.

>>34115978
I remember the movie's mech having more articulations in the hip. Sure, it will be more complicated, but it makes for a faster, smoother movement and a dam sexier walk-cycle

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>>34105648
> Thinking scorpion is a good design ever
> Video game design practical ever
Wtf

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>>34116147
>try to drive over wall or anything steep
>gets stuck between track pods

>>34116219
Gun, armor and crew layout are the problems with the Scorpion anon, not the tread pods.

>>34116267
>what is articulation

>>34116278
Yes, lets take something simple and effective and make it needlessly complex.

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>>34113482
>50 cal ammo
>giant fucking drum linked to giant fucking cannon
>50 cal ammo
also
>putting your ammo outside the tank

>>34105054
until you can stay in the air forever they still have their place

>>34116064
>why are you so incapable of admitting that giving a tank infinite range and a high speed is an advantage?
Because it's a bad thing if you slam into a wall or tree at "high speed". Simple straight-line speed isn't everything.

>>34116209
You absolutely need hips in any walker design. It is critical to keeping balance and allowing the legs to move freely and effectively, even if you don't notice how much you rock your hips around when walking.

>>34116278
>what is articulation
AKA let's make it more like legs. So why not just use legs? After a certain level of articulation is added it should technically be possible for it to start walking even if that wasn't the intention.

The FP is the BP though. Legs with wheels or tracks for feet on flat ground speed and normal walking for actual difficult terrain and fine sidestepping maneuvers is the pinnacle to aim for.

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>>34116405
And that Korean robot seems to only have two hinges in the hip to rotate the legs forward. All stabilization is done by the knees and seems like it was about to tip over at any moment.

I was impressed at how smooth and responsive the arms were, but it all came crashing down when it stared walking.

Also, how does one control the legs? An automatic walk-cycle seems right for prototyping, but that shit won't work on anything that is not flat, the pilot needs good visibility of what's under him if he wants to avoid/go over obstacles and adjust his walk for terrain.

>>34109976
They give you fairly good ground pressure and obstacle crossing ability, while being lighter than tires of comparable performance.
Problem is, they're more expensive, powering them is far more complicated, and they're far more maintenace intensive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-star_(wheel_arrangement)

>>34116455
AI capable of both balancing a truly humanlike bipedal walker AND doing this while interpreting exactly what the human operator wants it to do is very difficult and still very far away. Current running quadruped robots often use a sort of gait that is more like a set of glorified wheels than actual legs; you never see them do complex and precise step management to get around obstacles and they turn in big wide arcs just like any wheeled robot. That old mulebot that makes a lot of noise and finds its way around by tippy-toeing everywhere to feel its way across terrain has more natural movements but is still highly inefficient.

Control is the biggest problem facing walker vehicles, not power generation nor materials science. The best way out is the development of neural interfaces so that pilots can control their machines directly and is technically better than any AI-based solution, but that technology is still in its infancy. Probably will be ready for prime time before robots can walk normally on their own given how slowly that tech is coming along. A combination of a no-surgery neural interface plus intelligent AI like in Battletech might be the best compromise in the future but that requires both to fully mature first.

>>34116476
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-star_(wheel_arrangement)
>m
Phonefags get out

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>>34105011

>>34108812
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Repulsorlift_jammer

Couldn't always hover. This is the in-universe excuse.

rotor blades