Are Aircraft Carriers still kings of the seas?

China will turn that thing into dog meat

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No.

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>>34104775

Which is why China is investing in their own carriers?

>>34104759
They're the king if we're talking about a chess-style king.

>>34104828
That's not a bad analogy. What would the queen be, in that case? SSGNs?

>>34104775
And then America turns Three Gorges into swiss cheese.

SSNs are the true kings of the sea, everything on the sea at war will fear that there could be one stalking them. Carriers are the kings of power projection.

>>34106387

>>34104826
>ramp
>carrier
choose one

>>34105037
>Lose ship
>Better kill millions of civilians

>>34104759
Where's the ramp?

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>>34106387
Limited power projection.

The queen of the seas is the SSBN.

Able the destroy entire nations from the safety of the oceans. With little or no defense.

I wouldn't worry about it.

>>34106477

>Don't attack us if we attack you

The fuck?

>>34104828
Never knew the King had ranged proxies that could strike a piece off the board from the other side...

>>34106957
DON'T ATTACK US IF WE ATTACK YOU OR EVERYONE FUCKING DIES

its not hard to understand. Just close your eyes and you'll be home soon

>>34106966

Bruh, do you know what the ratio of civilians killed on 9/11 vs civilians killed in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars is?

America doesn't care, they'll gladly kill thousands for everyone one of their's they lose

>>34106971
all of america? Like mexico and brazil too?

silly man they aren't all the same country

>>34106477
That would imply Chinese are people

>>34106971
Okay give me the number of civilians to military killed in 9/11 first

>>34106980
The US is the only country that matters in this hemisphere. We are America.

>>34106971
>America doesn't care, they'll gladly kill thousands for everyone one of their's they lose

Oh gee I seem to have missed the part where massive swaths of the region were depopulated entirely

>>34106971

19 to 2,977

so 1 combatant death for every 156~ civilians killed or a ratio of 0.006

>>34107081

for >>34106997

>>34106477
I think less would die to our missiles than their infrastructure

>>34106962

Look up Fairy Chess

A US Navy supercarrier was teaching a class on Freedom of Navigation, a known imperialist concept.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship AirSea Battle and accept that it is the most revolutionary doctrine military affairs has ever known, even greater than the People's War!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, PLAN shore battery who had conducted over 1500 test launches and understood the necessity of building new islands and fully supported all military decision made by the Politburo stood up and held up a WU-14.

”How many of these can you shoot down, gwai lo?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Japanesely and smugly replied “All of them, you coolie peasant.”

”Wrong. Aegis has not even been tested against superior DF-21 ASBM system. The age of the carrier... is over.”

The professor was visibly shaken, and failed to acquire track or un-jam her CIWS. She withdrew from the theater broadcasting that crocodile SOS. The same SOS American spy planes broadcast over the "reckless" PLAAF pilots (who in fact were only defending their sovereign airspace) when they bravely ram invading imperialist aircraft. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, USS Gerald R. Ford, wished she had pulled herself up by her seacocks and become more than an obsolete weapons platform. She wished so much that she had a next-generation ASM to sink herself in embarrassment, but her own navy had failed to deploy one!

The Taiwanese all applauded and accepted unification under two systems that day. A panda named "Authoritarian Government" waddled into the room and sat down under the PRC flag and shed a tear on the CIWS. "The East is Red" was sung several times, and Mao himself showed up and reestablished the Middle Kingdom's natural hegemony across East Asia.

The professor lost her escorts and was mothballed the next day. She was decommissioned and sold for scrap to help service America's debt to China.8

>>34106477
Your point?

>>34107081

Meanwhile the wars since have killed almost 1 million in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

>>34106477
as if anyone in china would even notice

>>34104759
>sinks ship
>5000 people lost in the instant

carriers are a big mistake

>>34108356
>5,000
more like 300-500 at most, with the rest injured during recovery operations and evacuations. the nimitz class is built like a tank.

>>34107878
>The arrogant professor smirked quite Japanesely and smugly replied “All of them, you coolie peasant
Lost

>>34106980
No one thinks of those places they are geopolitacally irrelevant one is essentially is a parasite while the other is a corrupt mess of socialist failure.

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>>34104826

No, they're investing in unsinkable carriers

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>>34108671
>static defenses in the year 2017

>>34108671
>unsinkable

Who gives a shit?

They can't run, they can't hide, and all it takes is one missile salvo to obliterate every useful piece of equipment on that island.

The only thing you can say about them is that they probably cost about half of what a carrier does, but I don't see that as making up for their enormous weaknesses.

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>>34108671
>a couple MALDs and a B-1 or two later

>>34106962
Can't tell if joking or serious...

>>34106980
When someone says America, they are obviously talking about the US. All others are irrelevant to the matter and need to be named individually.

>>34108730
>>34108738
good luck, your forces would be annihilated trying to get close enough to attack. CMANO has largely shown the USN to be ineffective against the PLAN.

>>34109064
>CMANO

Kid, leave the thread. This is an adult discussion.

Chinese shills please never leave. You're much cuter than ShariaBlue.

>>34108730
Not to mention probably resink the new terrain.

>>34109064
>CMANO has largely shown the USN to be ineffective against the PLAN.
Sure, It's not like you can't play with the settings to get the result to look good.

>>34108356
It would take a nuke to do the kind of catastrophic damage to a carrier that would result in insta-kill with all hands lost.

If the nukes are in play, 5000 dead in a flash won't even make the news cycle. People are gonna have other concerns to occupy their attention.

>>34108671
Unsinkable, immobile, and irrelevant.

>>34109064
>CMANO

However, when you run the simulations in Super Mario Brothers, the PLAN fails to jump over the rolling barrel every time.

If you convert to Looney Tunes format, Wu Li Coyote always gets the Acme piano dropped on his head. Video games just don't work out well for the PLAN, unless they have all of the cheat codes turned on.

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Nope. Behemoth is

>>34106566
but an SSBN can only deliver all or nothing attacks and do nothing else
a carrier can carry out reconnaissance and deliver flexible response from a single small diameter bomb or gun run all the way up to nuclear weapons (anyone who thinks the US's we might have nukes or not on carriers means they don't have nukes is an idiot)

>>34106980
>conflating America with The Americas
I hate this game

>>34109064
I miss those muh scenario threads...

>>34109432

>irrelevant

What is the Convention on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone?

>>34110743
Yes, irrelevant. Read Article 60. Those islands are worthless as clay, and worthless as garrisons or for force projection. They'll just serve to soak up money, people, and resources until rising sea levels render them useless as well as pointless.

I think irrelevant is an apt description.

>>34108671
>unsinkable
>global climate change
LOL

>>34104759
A carrier alone, no, a whole battle group, yes.

>>34112113

This is what they said about Battleships in the 40's 50's and look what happened to them

>>34113064

Yes. They were killed...by carriers.

>>34109417
Dont carriers carry an insane amount of flammables and explosives? Think of all the bombs, missiles, and jet fuel the strike groups need. Wouldn't one unlucky hit be enough to send a Nimitz up like the HMS Hood?

>>34114069

Carriers have been hit, set on fire, etc, throughout history. If you really want to read what happens when a carrier takes a hit, it's only a google search away.

>>34114101
But has there ever been a penetrating hit to one of the magazines? Like happened with the Hood?

I can't find a source saying how many bombs a Nimitz carries, but I saw one article discussing loading 6 million pounds of ordnance onto CVN-74. That seems like enough to insta-kill the ship.

>>34114156
Modern weapons don't detonate, there are multiple separate magazines, the ships is designed with fuckloads of reserve buoyancy etc. The Forestal was the last time a bomb cooking off will damage an aircraft carrier.

>>34110548
Well, if you really have to, SSBNs can still use the SLBM to perform reconnaissance by fire.

It also has towed array, ESM masts, ability to deploy divers for recon, special forces. To name a few.

>>34114069
> Wouldn't one unlucky hit be enough to send a Nimitz up like the HMS Hood?

No. Magazines are designed to prevent sympathetic explosions. We've learned a thing or two since the days of the Hood.

Jet fuel is nowhere near as flammable as avgas. Fuelling systems are designed specifically to mitigate the effects of battle damage. It's been like that since WW2, which is just 1 of the reasons why our carriers don't burn like a shingle factory.

>>34114156

The US is world-leading in insensitive munitions, and incidents like the Forrestal fire, which was only as bad as it was because of bad-practice in the use of old bombs (both using sensitive filler, and having deteriorated), have only sharpened the focus on risk avoidance and damage control.

>>34114156
>do modern carriers explode like a battleship commissioned almost 100 years ago

No, dumbass.

Just google it, seriously.

>>34108671

>needs a cement pressure pump to raise the seabed

>>34106477
Isn't that how counter-value actions are? If some generals or elected officials decide to attack a country, their civilians must die?

>>34104759
Until there's a better way to carry a wing of warplanes, supplies, and support staff around the globe, yes.

>>34109582
>Leviathan series
Absolutely top tier taste

At least when China guys try to debate, it's full of informative posts and links to back up said posts. All I see of American posts in a Chinese threads are like the whining of a goat that has lost its baby milk bottle.

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>>34124330
>All I see of American posts in a Chinese threads are like the whining of a goat that has lost its baby milk bottle.

>>34104775
>The implications of this statement
My sides are in worse shape than the Chinese navy 12 hours after war is declared.

>>34110548
You were missing my point.

Subs are hard to detect.

SSBN carry enough nukes to destroy most countries.

Almost impossible to defend against unless your a super power.

They can pretty much go anywhere and kill anyone.

>>34108671
>The worlds first true submersible carrier.

>>34124417
>Tfw the Japanese even beat them to that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine

>>34106477
>chinese
>"civilians"
why do you think the japanese weren't punished as hard as germany for their 'crimes'

No,
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsiung_Feng_III

>>34108708
Roughly half that crowd should be beaten and thrown back in the kitchen where they belong.

>>34125392
>why do you think the japanese weren't punished as hard as germany for their 'crimes'

You do realize the Japs had not one, but two nukes dropped on them, yeah?

>>34104775
And then eat it

>>34125853
Germany will forever be forced by (((MSM))) to wear a scarlet H
They should've taken a nuke and be done with it already

>>34106990
This Anon gets it.

>>34104759
Battle groups are the king of the Sea, a single ship is a easy prey even to Somali Pirates.

>>34106477

So? China killed millions of them willingly just to modernize, making it clear that it doesn't really care if it loses a few. What blowing up the dam shows is that the Chinese government is not in control when push comes to shove, which would force it to either reorganize to not suffer situations where such events would occur in the future, or lose and be replaced Taiwan/Hong Kong's own.

The freaking out over civilian losses is largely a western thing.

>>34106980

>Implying the cartels wouldn't make any 3rd world shithole that bothered them enough disappear from the global maps

>>34127410

>TFW the Somali Pirates will never capture a destroyer and use it to dominate the seas

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>>34108671
>Unsinkable aircraft carrier

Ay, we got one of those

>>34127511
Even if they did, every first world navy would obliterate it with sheer overwhelming firepower

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>>34106477
at this point China is a 40k hiveworld, only it has a weird pseudo-communism instead of Chaos or God emperor worship. nothing of value would be lost

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>>34107878
Underrated as fuck

>>34127633
source?

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>>34127774
/gif/

>>34104826
>nah, bra, it gonna be a floating casino!
Everyone knew it was a lie,it is expected from the PRC, noone cared.

>>34106387
SSNs can deny the sea, not control it.

>>34124330
I can always count on the PRC posters for hilarity. :D

>>34106477
I see you're finally beginning to understand how war works.

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>>34108671
We have one too.. it's full of better asisns too. It did have a bad nuclear reactor failure a few years ago.

>>34104775
We all know how much China likes taking the knot.