1911 clones

If you're specifically looking for a government model clone, Inland Manufacturing makes a decent A1 model. The only difference is it has an added firing pin safety.

MSRP is around $780, but it's easy enough to get them around $650.

Auto Ordnance also makes a good quality and faithful clone for ~$600.

>>34100024
Any model would do, as long as it's cheap. I wasn't being humble when I said I was poor. I can't do 700 dollars man.

>>34100045
Check these out OP
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/411552921/redirect

I have to say that I don't care about machining quality. It could be rough, I don't care, I can sand it if it's too bad. It just has to work correctly and not shit on me.

>>34100045
if you must waste you money on a cheapo, the Rock Island GI's are the poorfag 1911 of choice.

>>34100045
I found a Springfield 1911A1 GI model for sale in the used section of my LGS for $450. Shop around, you're bound to eventually find something decent you can afford. and while you're shopping, keep saving money, it will open up more possibilities.

>>34100067
Just google Tisas 1911...Hickock45 has a video on them.

>>34100071
>inb4 OP has only enough money to buy an Hi-point

Cimmarron pre-A1 repros are going for about $500 on gunbroker. And that's for the sexy high-polish version.

>>34100045
Norinco 1911 are very cheap yet with an astonishing quality. Just look up youtube "Norinco 1911"

>>34100067
>>34100071
Thanks guys


>>34100078
Yeah I know I can probably find some 1911 somewhere for a comfortable price. But what I wanted most was reliability. Yeah, say I find some real cheap clone, and it turns out to be hot garbage. I don't JUST need cheap clones, they also have to work well.

>>34100106
My Springfield has never had a malfunction in the thousands of rounds I've put through it, both FMJ and all kinds of hollow points.

350 all day long

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/frm-rockislauto1911parkerizedframe.aspx

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/451911autobuildkitlessframe.aspx

>>34099978
What's your budget? Rock Island has a decent rep. Springfield Armory if you can throw down closer to $800

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>>34100045
>I can't do 700 dollars man.

>>34100152
>$800
Hell no. Like I said, very poor. Eggs and chicken don't bring in a lot of money.

My budget, I don't know. 300 and under? I'm expecting to buy used if I can for cheaper prices.

What >>34100148 said is interesting. Just build one. Seems like parts for Rock Island.

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>>34100177
>300 and under

get a job, hippie.

>>34100208
see
>>34100085

told you nigga, i told you

Op have you considered sucking dick on craigslist? Offer for 30 bucks a dick suck.

>>34100208
I have no job qualifications because I'm a hippy and spent all my youth smoking pot and dropping acid. So I can't get a job. That's why I came to this public library to ask /k/ for help in finding a good, cheap gun.

>>34100255
Used Ruger p-series. You can get one for sub-300 shipped if you look around. If you're that poor, don't get a 1911. They need a lot of maintenance/new parts because they beat themselves up.

>>34100045
Save for twice as long. Buy once, cry once. You don't want to blow your wad on some cheap shit made of lightened Chinesium parts. Assuming it hasn't taken you 6mo to save $350 for something you supposedly need (a 1911), what's the harm in waiting for Quality?

>>34099978
Cimarron is the only exact copy I've seen. Auto Ordnance is a close second.

>>34100177
Building one is likely a mistake unless you have experience. If you buy a parts kit and frame ask how much a gunsmith would charge to assemble it. Probably in the $50-150 range.

Gonna have a real hard time finding a 1911 for $300.

Why not just save up longer if you really want a 1911?

>>34100177
You would have to be pretty lucky to find a 1911 that cheap. 400 is the cheapest I've seen.

>>34100280
Thanks man. I just wanted something that looked good and worked well.

>>34100290
>>34100332
Cause I got other stuff on the table. I could save for something better, but not 700. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't do it. I got priorities. Horse got hurt by some rustlers two weeks back. Spent 7k on it. I need money set aside for shit that actually matters instead of hobbies.

So I can't spend that much. Maybe 500 at the most.

>>34100255
apply at some of the resturaunts in your area. waiting tables, busing table, prep cook, etc. most of these places will hire you on the spot, and you will get to work with some, "cool" people, ifyouknowwhatimsayin. here is the hard part for a slack ass faggot like you, you actually have to go to work consistently to make gains.

>>34100368
$500 is workable. $300 is a needle in a haystack. With $500 you can get a Rock Island. Buds Gun Shop has them for $415 before fees, taxes, shipping. Probably comes out to around $500.

Also locally you might be able to find one in the $475-499 range

>>34100393
Thank you, really. I know it's fun to mock and be a dick, but not everybody can afford the best stuff.

I'll keep an eye out online and at local stores.

>>34100368
>I could save for something better, but not 700. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't do it.

I hear you. tbhwyf I would skip the 1911. They're a gay man's meme. Get a Hipoint C9. Don't listen to haters. It's dead simple design, rugged as fuck and cheap to feed. Just as with liquor, choosing bottom shelf doesn't mean buying shit that will kill you.

>>34100472
i would recommend an SP2022 for $450 new. best value gun ever made. anything else at that price point or lower is ranging from compromise to utter dogshit.

>>34100472
>>34100490
I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm not looking for a 1911 because I need a pistol. I don't want just whatever gun I can get my hands on. Besides, I REALLY don't like the whole "plastic gun" aesthetic most handguns have.

The base model RIA is /k/ approved, but if you get one that jams, sell it and re-buy. In my experience, these can be a little hit or miss. Most of them are going to be 100% reliable guns, but occasionally, you will find a lemon. That's just the cost of being a cheap man. If you want a high quality 1911 that won't break the bank, my advice is to buy a new Colt.

The poor man saves up, does his research am buys once. The cheap man throws his money away on low quality guns and ends up buying twice.

>>34100546
You could get a beat up Hi Power off Gunbroker for $350-400.

>>34100560
I considered it. They look good. But I kind of wanted a gun in 45.

>>34100078
Are springfields dirt cheap now that people hate them?

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>>34100546
damn son, for a beggar you sure are choosy.

>>34100573
Beggars can't be choosers. Get a real job.

>>34100590
Poorfag P226

O I am laffin

Just get a P320

>>34100590
>>34100604
I ain't begging for shit. This is a thread about 1911s for a reason. You don't go into a mustang thread and tell OP to get a cheap buggy and call him a faggot when he says he wants a mustang.

I got all the answers I needed anyway. So I think I'm done looking. Everybody was nice and helpful, except for you with your shit trip which I will be filtering and your gay ass plastic guns.

>>34100546
Brah you dont have much of a choice in the matter. Poly is cheap because its cheaper to make. Function wise it will work as good as a full steel handgun.rockisland 1911s are cheap but can you even afford to feed it in the long run?

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>>34100546
>I'm not looking for a 1911 because I need a pistol. I don't want just whatever gun I can get my hands on. Besides, I REALLY don't like the whole "plastic gun" aesthetic most handguns have.

C9 is a zinc slide, not polymer.

Let me splain something, since you seem kind of new. Any 1911 pattern pistol you buy will have a markup because it is America's Sidearm. Likewise, none of them are particularly good because the demand has always been high. If you can't afford anything but cheap clones, good luck feeding it .45 ACP. 1911s run from RIA garbage to Kimber garbage. Don't bother.

If you absolutely insist on a metal gun, go for a Beretta FS92, or a Walther in .380 ACP. Or (my pick) a revolver. RIA makes 'em, or EAA Windicator. They are reliable and powerful. I'm saving up for a Ruger New Vaquero in stainless .357 Mag because I'm a texas fag and think 6 shots is plenty.

$500 will get you any number of great guns. $300 not so much. You can get an M&P Shield for that, at least. Don't scoff at polymer, kid. 9mm isn't a huge round, and you need something that shoots. All else fails, buy a Rem870 and some slugs and stfu.

>>34100648
This is like saying you want a mustang and having a $1800 budget you impoverished motherfucker. You need to get your shit unfucked and apply at Walmart or wherever Mr tough cowboy.

>>34100648
Yeah but guess what? op doesnt even have money for a pt crusier. YOU barely have the money to buy a 1911 clone. People are trying to help you regardless so at least be nice about it.

>>34100727
>>34100731
>>34100734
No. I was nice. Even when that faggot was talking shit, calling me a hippy, I rolled with it. Now you faggots get triggered when I insult you back? Pitiful.

I accepted suggestions for the topic of the thread. I didn't ask for a cheap gun. I asked for a cheap 1911 and that's that. Don't get upset when I don't accept your off topic guns. You can kick and scream all you want, but I don't want your gay plastic guns with your shitty calibers.

>but how will you afford ammo?
Maybe you missed the part where I said I dropped 7k on a horse. Just medicine alone is almost 300. I will NOT blow 700 on a gun, I have priorities, but I can spare 50 bucks for a few rounds of 45.

I'm done with this thread. I got all I needed. A lot of you were cool and helpful. The rest were easily offended faggots who came in here just to whine and cry.

>>34100847
Why would you spend that much on a horse when an ATV will do the same job better?
Oh wait, you're larping.

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>>34100847
You are seriously making me laugh OP, you ungrateful poor bitch.

Remember when I said 1911s are a gay man's meme? Way to prove me correct faggot. What make/model did you settle on?

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>>34100847
>>34100875
>mfw OP spends too much money on a shitty overpriced .45 ACP instead of something cheaper, more reliable, and all steel

wew i can't get enough of OP's misguided indignance it is a sweet sweet candy

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Incidentally, fancy pistols in general are for queers. Long arms for serious defense or nothing. OP btfo, will never recover.

>>34100099
Like 400$ where I live for one

>>34099978
this is my favorite gun ever, I loved to used it in RE7 :^P

>>34100573
I got a 45. They're cool but not a deal breaker after having one.

I look at 9mm mostly now simply because they do the job and ammo is cheap.

>>34100578
hell if I know, I picked mine up several years ago.

>>34101012
shotgun is now a caliber.

>>34100590
Great firearm

>>34100847
> i dropped 7k on a horse
>i haz monies guys
>im poor so i wont buy myself a nice gun
> I have priorities! So i only want the shittiest options available!

What dumbass drops 7k on a horse.

>>34100573
If you're willing to compromise on caliber, the star model B is a 9mm 1911 lookalike.

>>34101810
Larpers

Buy a ATI full size 1911
Hickok recommends em

>>34100578
doubt the new models have dropped at all, but i'm sure there's a flood of used ones on the market now

>>34100731
A lot of walmart employees have to have government assistance while working there. you're giving shit advice if you're telling him to take a job he can't even live off of let alone save up to buy something he wants. holy shit it's unbelievable you would even suggest it that's so fucking dumb.

If you can do 400 you can probably find a good one. Fuddy fives are generally more expensive in my experience anyways. I like pt1911 pretty good. Should find one around there.

>>34103071
How much does pretending to be a cowboy pay? Apparently not enough to afford any handgun approaching decent.

>>34100152
I thought we hated those IL traitors.

>>34101012
>fancy pistols

1911 thread. 1911s are "fancy pistols."

lmfao.

Plus, graph shows .25acp and .22 as more effective than 9mm.

You, sir, are a fucking dumbshit.

>>34100071
>hay guise look how not little my dick is cuz I bought a 1200 dollar Kimber safequeen!

>>34100045
Then you can't afford a gun.

$ ammo > $ pistol

>>34106779
and that's the shitty thing about gun price mark up. OP should be able to buy a firearm per his constitutional right. The one type of faggot I hate on this board most of all is the little rich bitch boy who buys overpriced shit with daddy's money

>>34100255
Why are you buying a firearm if you cant even afford it? If you seriously dont have a few hundred dollars then you should sort your fucking kife out before wasting money on something you dont need

>>34100368
Just get a canik. Maybe not a 1911, maybe built by cockroaches, but it's cheap, works, and doesn't look too bad

get a Beretta 92FS so you can be like Mel Gibson

>>34106857
Actually disreguard this comment op, just saw your comment about your horse.

>>34099978
>Ruger SR1911
Basic bitch full size model comes with: Stainless, hardwood grips, Novak 3 dot night sights, 8 round mag, extra mag.Ruger so built like a tank
Can be had for $750ish

>>34107157
So wait until there are some used ones of these floating around for like the high $400s in a few years. Ruger pumps out too many guns, and reaale on them suffers as a result, look at the GP100s

1911fag here. I wouldn't trust an RIA I didn't physically see chew through ten mags without stopping before I decide to buy it. 1911s are very much a rich man's toy. Under about $800 there's no guarantee it will work. You'll get memed on about RIAs but they're still just cheap, loose guns like any ghettoblaster built loose enough to not bind up but barely tight enough to hold into battery properly. If you absolutely need a gun, there are second-line knockoff European and Turk service pistols in the $200-350 range like the Canik that are perfect for someone like you. An M70A is a nice choice for $250-300 but you're taking a chance on it, mine drops magazines when racked or fired. The Beretta 92S is available for $250 currently. The difference between it and our service M9 is the heel mag release versus button. I don't know how important this is to you.

See what you can get secondhand locally before trying to go to a store. But do look at the Canik and the 92S.

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>>34101012

I'd be curious about seeing this with rifle rounds added, assuming there is enough data

How should I fix a gun that shoots 3" low

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>>34099978
Rock Island Armory
I've done a bunch of looking because I want a 1911 but I'm not spending $1300 on one. I've got an assortment of handfuns but still haven't added a 1911 to the group.

For $550 you can get a RIA Tac Ultra FS. This is what I'm going with whenever I finally decide to grab one. I really want a full rail TRP but the RIA will make a decent first 1911 I'm sure.

>>34103727
Well obviously it pays enough for a horse, I never seen a regular walmart employee with one.

>>34099978
The turk 1911 clones are a pretty great deal so long as you check to make sure you didn't get a lemon from the lot (shit happens with every manufacturer). in particular I have had great experiences with ATI\Tisas. These can be had for sub $400

>>34107265
>RIAs but they're still just cheap, loose guns like any ghettoblaster built loose enough to not bind up but barely tight enough to hold into battery properly.
You've never held an RIA 1911, have you?

>I wouldn't trust an RIA I didn't physically see chew through ten mags without stopping before I decide to buy it.
Good luck putting 70 rounds through a new gun before buying it. Not like 0 in 70 failure rate means anything.

>>34108646
Adjust the sights nerd.

>>34109099
Yes I have. I've held an RIA in the left hand while holding an STI in the right, RIA has very loose tolerances. Common knowledge like this shouldn't need to be debated.

>>34109132
>tolerances
I'm not even defending RIAs, but I doubt you know what the word means.

>>34109132
>Comparing a $500 RIA 1911 to a $2000-3000 STI 1911
>Being surprised that the RIA is looser

>>34109137
Tolerances, clearances, semantics. Both are more loose than on any $1,000+ works-out-of-the-box example.
>>34109204
Follow the conversation. I'm saying that's how they're made and he challenged my experience with them. RIAs run better than $650-900 range 1911s because they don't try to have tight clearances while still having less than stellar tolerances on the moving parts, I.E. Kimber/base model Springfield. Despite this there's still a better chance of an RIA having problems out of the box than your average $1,200 semi-custom. There's better guns in the RIAs price range that do not have those reliability concerns.

>>34099978
buy it a piece at a time and build it.

>cz97
>used but mint
>asking price 400
>passed it by
kill me /k/

>>34109105
GI

>>34109483
1911s are not ARs. Nearly all 1911 parts come just so slightly oversized to allow for precise handfitting and will not function, let alone fit together, without working the parts over and things like the locking lugs are not something a novice should try to fuck with. A gunsmith is required to assemble a 1911 from raw parts. That shouldn't discourage you from doing it, though. It'll just cost an arm and a leg (but likely still less than an STI).

>>34109622
That's nothing. I passed up a working, booting Toshiba T3100 for $15 two weeks ago. I also neglected to buy a PSL when they were $600 even though I had the money. I fucking hate myself.

>>34109731
I have GI sights and can't adjust them

>>34100255
>That's why I came to this public library to ask /k/ for help in finding a good, cheap gun.
Just use rope.

>>34110016
Well then aim high or get a pair of Dawsons dovetailed in, faggot.

>>34100106
Buy good mags! Most clones come with shit mags. Buy Wilson combat or mec-gar.

>>34100099
Agree with this truth statement. Find a Norc, inspect the barrel lugs for peening. It's factory barrel is a toss up on if fitted right. Worst case scenario you swap in a new barrel and g2g fo the rest of your life. I have only one "Model of The 1911a1" but plan on adding more. They are fine guns, no longer imported to the states and harder to find. Not expensive for what you get so snatch them up while you can.

>>34100547
>The cheap man throws his money away on low quality guns and ends up buying twice.
The cheap 1911 man tends to throw his money away on 4-6 guns before finally buying the Baer/Brown/Wesson/etc that he refused to save up for $6000 ago.

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>>34100546
Zastava m70a

Based on the browning design(1903)
Eats cheap 9mm.
Is made out of steel
Under $300

>>34100847
Anon, you're either too poor to own a money pit like a horse or you need to put off purchasing a pistol until you've had time to build up a larger surplus.

Take those Grants you would spend on ammo and put them in the jar with the pistol money, soon you'll find you don't need a cheap pistol. This is basic money management.

you poorfags realise that if you intend to shoot the gun at all, you'll spend more on magazines and ammo than the gun itself pretty fuckin quickly

>>34104002
They made decent stuff, just buy it lightly used.

>>34099978
>Poorfaggot who gets mad when he is told he is poor

Fuck off you baby. 300 bucks isn't going to get you a 1911 so stop being a fucking prick.

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OK guys, I have an Auto Ordnance 1911, just bought it last week as my first pistol. I am jamming on the last round in my magazine. It happens on my factory mag and my 4 Springfield mags. All are 7 rounders. I am only shooting brass cased 230 grain FMJ. Is this only a magazine issue? My gun is clean as a whistle. I tried a Wilson Combat mag at the range and had the same issue. I did take out and tune my extractor since then, but I have not fired it, only done hand cycles, with the same result of FTF on the last round.

>>34100255
>>I have no job qualifications because I'm a hippy and spent all my youth smoking pot and dropping acid. So I can't get a job.

I spent my youth getting a 4 year college degree double major, and I can't get a fucking job either.

Embrace poverty and take a grueling dead-end job that leads nowhere. We're all headed there sooner or later. Hail the fucking future, baby.

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>>34100727
>Let me splain something, since you seem kind of new. Any 1911 pattern pistol you buy will have a markup because it is America's Sidearm. Likewise, none of them are particularly good because the demand has always been high. If you can't afford anything but cheap clones, good luck feeding it .45 ACP. 1911s run from RIA garbage to Kimber garbage. Don't bother.

Dear fuckface who doesn't know what he's talking about: please rot in hell.

Sincerely, the hojillion motherfuckers who own affordable 1911s.

>>34106812
Fuck off that sounds a little too close to being comunist kid, this fag wants a steel gun that usually requires some degree of handfitting for fucking $300. Sorry you cant save up money, he hinself said even if he saves up the money he'd spend it on other shit. Fuck off then we cannot teach you self control you immediate gratification seeking pussies.

>>34111468
>I am jamming on the last round in my magazine.

Do your magazines have a small raised dimple in the middle of the follower?

>>34111725
The Springfield ones do have a small dimple, and the AO magazine doesn't, as it is curved upward on the follower.

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>>34111714
>a steel gun that usually requires some degree of handfitting
>handfitting

Motherfucker what YEAR are you from? Get back in your fucking time machine and fuck off to 1925, thanks.

>>34109034
> im sure

You dont even know dude

>>34111730
>The Springfield ones do have a small dimple, and the AO magazine doesn't, as it is curved upward on the follower.

Huh. Both of those should stop the problem you're having. What I'm seeing in the picture I've seen before, a "three-point jam," which is a fancy way of saying that the round hangs up halfway through the normal cycle because of too much friction. It shouldn't do that with 230 grain FMJ. I've seen this happen with the second to last round in the magazine as well; just a consequence of the follower spring being mostly untensed.

Have you checked the recoil spring? It might be worth buying a Wolff 17 pound spring for a few bucks and trying that out. Aside from that, you might just want to keep shooting it, as it might be a wear-in issue. As the parts wear in, that resistance will decrease. Good on you for checking the extractor; that's the first go-to culprit, every time.

>>34111468
Does it FTF on the seventh round or on the last one? IE what happens when you only load 5 rounds into the magazine? Will it feed if there's only a single round?

>>34103071
>op says he's poor and unemployed
>HURR DURRR can't live on Walmart wages

Know what else you can't live on, zero wages.

>>34111705
In case you failed to notice that American Classic II is over his budget by about 50%.

>>34111782

That's effectively the same thing; it's because of the mostly unwound spring, and being the last round in the magazine, on the follower itself. Sometime's there's an inertia issue that fucks up the feeding a bit (which is what the dimple on old GI mags inhibits; the curved followers simulate another round in the magazine underneath the last round.) My best guess for a magazine-related issue at this point would be follower tilt - that can make the last round "nose down" too much, hitting the ramp at a flatter angle and increasing the resistance against the slide - so the force that cycled all the other rounds fine will be insufficient to finish cycling the last round. You'll get exactly what you saw in OP's pic - a round that just stops halfway through normal feeding. I've even had a gun or two hang up only a few mm out of battery, requiring a blow to the back of the slide to finish feeding.

Proper magazines and a wear-in period fix both of those things 99% of the time - that is, if it's not your extractor, which should be checked regularly on 1911s. Fortunately you can adjust it with some half-assed technique, an empty casing, and no tools.

>>34111782
Always the last one. There could only be one round in the magazine.

>>34111806

So are fucking Glocks. Even a fucking Mak is $50 over his budget and that's before you count the shipping and transfer costs which bring it up to $400 anyways. If he's only got $300 the answer is to save $100 more dollars, unless he wants a hi-point or a P3AT

>>34111829

tl;dr, check your followers and see if they have an anti-dive skirt on them. Then thumb some rounds through them and see if the follower tilts forward or "chases" the last round as it leaves the mag. Then hand-cycle some rounds through the gun and see if you can't watch what the last one does, in slo-mo.

>>34100255
Smith and wesson shields are insanely low priced at the moment. I have seen them as low as $290. Then you get a $75 rebate for S&W.

>>34100731
You can buy sn95 mustangs for 1800 and less all day son.

>>34111940
I know, I tried to make an accurate comparison. OP has enough to get a heavily used, bastardized version of the thing he wants. sn95 is to the mustang what a beat up RIA GI model with a cracked frame is to the 1911.

>>34111873
The one AO magazine seems to have anti-tilt. The Springfield ones all tilt and seem more likely to FTF. Should I consider a stronger recoil spring and better mags?