CZ Thread

>>34099901
Just bought a 75 SP-01 yesterday.

Holy shit they are great.

>>34099901

>ceased production of the 85 and 97 models

No, please, God no. I don't have a 97 yet and don't want to spend 1500 dollars on one.

>>34099901
>At the same time, however, they seem to have reduced or ceased production of the 85 and 97 models.

Well shit, guess I'm buying an 85 in a few weeks.

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>>34099901
Can someone tell me what the reasoning behind the P-10C is? I only on steel frame handguns so I don't really have an opinion yet.

>>34099959
http://www.armslist.com/posts/6661455/maryland-handguns-for-sale--cz-97-bd

Protip: just because it says no shipping doesn't mean people can't be convinced.

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>>34099974
>>34099959
>>34099981
here's my 85 combat. I was gonna trade mine in for a RAMI but I recently found out that they stopped producing the 85 so... not sure what to do now :/

>>34099997
Rami's are awful, don't. I sold mine and don't regret it.

>>34099981

>striker fired
>can use Glock holsters
>continued work on polymer frames

That's pretty much it. CZ was not good at making polymer guns for a while, I think the P-01 initially was partially polymer and it kept bulging so they stopped that immediately. Then the P-09 came along and people seemed to have liked that, and I've never heard anything bad about its frame. Honestly now it's just up to continued miniaturization and ergos. The P-10 is them getting their feet wet. What you should be on the look out for is what comes after the P-10.

But... they had better not stop production of the 97. I need a fucking 97.

>>34100002

>RAMI's are awful

No, fuck you. I love this thing.

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>>34099930
Fuck yeah senpai, welcome to the club. Did you order yours online or did you get lucky enough to find one in person?

>>34099959
>>34099974
Yeah, I don't have an official source for this but I noticed a couple weeks ago that the 85s have become very scarce on gunbroker with like no new ones popping up, and then an anon in a recent CZ thread mentioned that they'd stopped making them. The 97 is equally scarce on gbroker so I'm inclined to believe it's the sad truth.

>>34099981
I'm not sure what you want as far as "reasoning". Everything is about preference when it comes to gun choice anymore because the market is flooded with good options (i.e. you no longer have to pick a gun based on reliability, there's tons of reliable guns out these days). Some people, for any number of reasons, prefer polymer over steel and/or striker over hammer-fired. CZ has targeted this demographic with their newest release and, by the sounds of it, has very much succeeded in getting their approval. I've heard the trigger is one of the best ones ever made for a striker pistol, and that the ergos continue CZ's tradition of making magically well-fitting grips.

While I'm all for people getting what they want, I'm nervous about how much this is going to impact the production of the sexiest steel frame pistols made.

>>34100002
Would you mind explaining what you don't like about it? I've heard a lot of good, and some bad about it. What's your take?

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>>34100014
>>34100002
>>34100029
>>34100029
>>34100014
But I want a RAMI. THey look so a e s t h e t i c

>>34100029
My Scheel's has been good about keeping them in stock.

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>>34099901
Czech my CZ's

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>>34100124
I apologize, there is a version for non-Australians

Getting my CZ75 SP01 this week, lads.

>>34100245

Good for you

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redpill me on the cz75 sp01 vs the sp01 compact

>>34100279
the compact is small
the full size is not

>>34100302
yeah but which one should i get

>>34100314
do you want small or not small?

>>34100314
Why not both?

So, what about to try them in shop and then get one, which will feel better in your paw?

>>34100314
Do you want a small gun or not small gun?

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Why do rifles have to be so much harder than pistols to get good pictures of?

>>34100279
SP-01 compact is called the P-01 and is just shorter in length and height. It's still a decently big gun, and a bit heavy so IDK if it's ideal for CC but people do it anyway.

>>34100245
Congrats man! Hope you love it.

>>34100158
Thanks for being inclusive of all nationalities.

>>34100333
>paw
K Y S
Y
S

>>34100053
Rami's are pretty ugly honestly. But functionally speaking they're still great.

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oh boy another cz thread

>>34099901
I've been carrying my p-07 for about a year now, still plastic and fantastic.

>>34102584
Is yours a first gen or second?

>>34099901
>So what's everyone's thoughts on the release of the P-10C?
I just sold mine. Here were my thoughts:

Cons:
>1. The factory sights aren't that great. There isn't a lot of air around the front sight and it is big and jumping out at you. It's harder to see it's edges (equal air) than other sights.
>2. The interchangeable backstrap roll pin is not well thought out. It uses a 3/32nds punch. It should have been a 1/16th or a solid pin so you could use a 1/16... or even a 1/8th. Most common, generic, punch sets don't have a 3/32nds punch. Along with the 3/32nds size it's serrated like a saw blade to keep it from backing out. That means every time you do change it it saws a bit of your frame and grip away. Neither of these are a big deal because you shouldn't change it much and you can use a common 3/32nds drill bit but it does represent an overall lack of refinement.
>3. The magazine release just simply doesn't work out of the box. I had inserted a loaded magazine, slide closed, (read the magazine was under pressure) and I literally was unable to press the mag release. It wasn't until I filled the catch on the magazines with a file that the release became usable.
>4. Rounded back strap. The very round back grip makes it less stable to aim with regards to windage and in my opinion is inferior to flatter designs like used by the Steyr and FN.
>5. It doesn't actually fit in every Glock Holster, just most of them.
>6. The Slide stop is extremely hard to actuate, either side. It is large and you can get a good purchase on it but it takes a lot of pressure. (easier if you press down on both sides.)

Pros:
>1. The trigger reset is absolutely amazing.
>2. Thick chamber walls/lugs

Overall I sold my p-10 already because I didn't fall in love with the shape of the grip, thought it was still unrefined and it didn't spark my imagination.

>>34102709
>So what's everyone's thoughts on the release of the P-10C?

If I wanted a polymer striker fired gun I would not have a CZ collection

>>34102709
Part 2
Yes, I already got rid of the p-10 but decided to keep my 509. I like the grip better. I like the factory sights better and it has a generic ( I read SIG #8 ) dovetail that will accept the excellent x-ray 3 sights. The barrel is heavily machined with a polished feed ramp and it has a mysterious locking lug that I still haven't figured out. It holds 17 rounds instead of 15 and I just LOVE the way it looks. I had the 2 on my desk and I kept picking up the 509 and looking it over and dry firing. I didn't dislike the p-10 but the 509 just has that Je ne sais quoi.

>>34102725
I'm who you responded to and I will say the sp-01 is still one of if not the finest handgun I have ever owned.

SP01 or SP01 tactical? I'm having a hard time to choosing because I like having a decocker instead of a safety

>>34100158
i recognize those vz58s. you wouldn't happen to own a pair of striped stockings would you?

>>34102828
so buy the tactical since it's the only one with a decocker?

>>34100010
They'll almost certainly come out with a full-size P-10. Remember what we have now is a P-10C; there was no P-09C or P-07D or whatever, so P-10 is likely going to cover their entire poly-striker line. If they can make an aesthetic P-10C thiccened to a 4.5" barrel and a 19+1 capacity, I'll buy without even trying it out.

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still want a purpose built 10mm CZ

>>34104440
We need to go to Czechia and force them to watch the first season of Miami Vice on repeat until they do it. Also, fun fact, I noticed the browser dictionary now accepts Czechia as a word.

>>34104479
>Czechia

>>34104548
Don't you want to be cutting edge on your names for foreign states?

>>34104440

I would actually spend over a grand on a 10mm from CZ. I swore I'd never do that for a handgun, but on a full-metal CZ chambered in 10mm... yeah, I'd break that rule.

>>34104604
You would need to anyways, it'd be a big gun. It'd be steel, reinforced for big boolit, and at least 5" to justify using the round in the first place. All of the 1911 10mm converts like the Delta Elite out there don't last long.

>>34104637

I'd also figure out how to CCW it.

IDGAF if it was practically as big as a Mk. 23.

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>>34099901
Does CZ zero their sights at the factory? My test target has a shooter ID number, so I assume it is just a guy shooting from standing position.
My pistol came with the rear sight slightly off center. I can't tell if they actually took the time to shoot it and have it properly zeroed or if they just didn't center it by accident.
Taking it to the range tm but I'm not good enough to accurately test at 25yds like they did.
Anyone else have their sight slightly off center?

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Tanfo masterrace desu.

>>34104772

Now that you mention it, so are the sights on my SP-01.

>>34104852
Is this OP?
it irks me because this gun is literally perfect in every other way, but I don't want to have the 1/1000 cz's that sends rounds to the left, know what I mean?

>>34104637
>>34104604
I mean, the G20SF has a pretty good sized grip so it's not crazy huge in the hand and outside of bad ammo, that motherfucker can handle hot stuff, even better with a heavier recoil spring.

So it's not undoable. But the market for a well built 10mm gun is still very small, I guess.

>>34104852
>>34104888
maybe I'm just being a priss about it but idk, I don't own enough handguns to form a conclusion

>>34104888

Not OP. He has modified sights.

>>34104921
So do you think yours came zeroed that way or it was just a mistake and they should be centered? The test target doesn't tell me much

>>34104933

Not sure myself.

>>34099901
Is the CGW defensive carry package worth the 300 bucks? Anyone have it installed?

>>34104965
I wonder the same thing because I don't want to risk light primer strikes or slow sluggish trigger return on a defense gun but then, if you aren't lightening all the springs, does it do much?
IDK

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>when you discover something magical

Well then... it appears the RAMI has 19 round mags.

>>34104440
>get custom barrel made
>change recoil spring if needed
Congratulations, your .40 CZ is now a 10mm CZ

>>34105140

>firing 10mm out of a gun made for .40 S&W
>knowing full well the issues guns made for .45 have with 10mm

I wish the best of luck to you on your endeavors, but I want to keep my fingers. Also, if it would end up anything like the USP modifications, it still wouldn't be a seamless switch. There are a couple of quirks that come from this sort of change. Most people don't want band-aid jobs, they want a real 10mm with a gun made for it and not something that borders on Bubba territory.

>>34105140
>how do magazines work?

>>34105166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzh16zi55G0

>>34104965
>>34105066

>package made specifically to make your gun better for DGU
>somehow makes it worse

Guys, come on now. Also, you won't be running cheap ammo on your EDC... right? Right? I hope not.

>>34105176

Nigga, I literally mentioned this fucking thing in my post. It isn't perfect, he even talks about the problems that come from this modification. And I still wouldn't want to do it because of chances it explodes in my hand. Ultimately, you are firing a more powerful cartridge out of a gun designed for a weaker one. We all know what happened to the Bren-Tens and Delta Elites. And that was a good outcome since it just destroyed the guns and not your hands.

>>34105188
I've no doubt it's better but the question is if, since it retains defense reliability, is it that much better?
Or am I going to drop $300 for a barely marginal improvement?

You come on now. I bet you wear silly pants don't you? Yeah... you wear silly pants.

>>34105219

Well, I haven't done it personally - but there is a video of a guy who bought the pro-package and did a complete breakdown and install on YouTube. I know, not the same thing, but close. Ultimately he talks about how you don't need to buy everything in said package to get similar results and that if you buy the whole package you're really going the extra mile. And you should do things like sand and file down various parts of your gun so you can get peak performance of out of the parts you are buying. Anyway. I think the biggest attraction is the lowered trigger pull and shorter reset. I am going to buy the defensive package for my gun eventually.

>>34099901
Which is the better carry gun in your guys opinion, P01C or P07? Haven't found a P01 in person yet to check out, only gotten to hold the P07 (both the duty and Gen 2)

I'm interested in a Rami but they seem to be unobtanium, I doubt I'll see one in person anytime soon. I live in the sticks and people out here don't even know what CZ's are.

>>34106039
>Which is the better carry gun in your guys opinion, P01C or P07?
The metal CZs are prettier, but the P07 is going to be lighter and have a more rust resistant finish

>>34106039

The RAMI is ideal, there are a few on GB right now. Or you could alternatively buy a fully kitted out one through CGW, but that will obviously take about three months to get to you. As for carry between the Omega and the P07, I am not sure. I have never been able to hold onto an Omega myself. Honestly it seems like the real difference between the Omega and the P07 is build quality and ergos. I get the feeling the Omega beats the P07 and P09 out in that respect.

As for rusting as (>>34106078) says, the primary pain points for CZ's and rust have pretty much always been on/around the slide. Not really anywhere near the grip, mag release, or slide stop until you find some super old 75 that's had tens of thousands of rounds put through it.

In any case, you can just <insert coat here> it and it'll never rust.

The RAMI is basically a tiny SP-01, except with not as good sights. You can get those swapped for about 80 bucks if you buy them off CZ Custom or Cajun. Not really the end of the world.

>>34106103
What's a fair price on a Rami? The ones on GB are already at over $600 with two more days to go, which implies they're going to go up even more. I'd prefer to not pay over $700 for one, especially since even on CZ's website the MSRP is $614, meaning in the wild they should be cheaper.

I wish stores around here carried the damn things, or even had a range within a few hours drive that had some. I'm basically going to have to take a shot in the dark at this rate and order without holding them in the hand. I trust CZ as a brand, I just really dislike buying things without seeing that specific item in the flesh.

>>34106123

>I'd prefer to not pay over $700 for one, especially since even on CZ's website the MSRP is $614, meaning in the wild they should be cheaper.

With CZ, that's where you are wrong. The people who buy and sell CZ's know that CZ has issues with supply. You can hear stories of new shipments literally being sold almost immediately with startling frequency. This is a consequence of CZ not shipping as much product as we would like, and the demand for said product being pretty damn high. Ultimately, with any CZ gun, you are looking at coming close to or breaking that 700 dollar mark.

- CZ's magazines are notoriously expensive, especially if you don't buy shitty, questionable ones. Which I don't think you want to do if you're going to use the gun for carrying.
- Tax will further increase the price, whether you buy it at a store or through GB.
- FFL fee will further increase the cost. Most places I know charge anywhere between 25-40 dollars to do an FFL.

So say you bought a P07 (NIB) at like... 500 dollars, which I know can be done because there's a LGS selling them for that much near me. Well, I am still going to pay 6% tax on it, and then I am going to buy two additional mags from probably Mec-Gar. And consequently I've just cracked 600 without breaking a sweat.

I got really lucky with my RAMI. I bought it off Armslist, which doesn't sound possible in your situation. I would advise against Armslist in general, a guy I know IRL had a friend who was literally murdered during an Armslist transaction. GB is much safer, but you're going to pay for that safety via the FFL. However, there is something you can do, and that's refuse to take the gun into your ownership. So you can get it shipped to your LGS, inspect it, and if you don't like it, send that fucker back.

Anyway, it is really up to you and how much money you want to spend. CZ isn't cheap though.

>>34106161
Well the reason why I was hesitant to spend that much on the Rami is that my FLGS said they can order a P07 in and with tax it would be about $475 (They wave transfer fee for CCW holders). Other than a P07 the only other gun they had available at the distributors was more common models like P 01's. They're a good store and offered me a good deal, and I'll probably end up with the P07, but I'd be lying if I said the RAMI wasn't tempting me with it's features. I just have a hard time dropping $700, before mags, holsters, etc. for one when I can get my P07, a couple extra mags, and a quality holster for less than the Rami would be base. I don't have a huge budget and will be saving quite a bit just to get even the P07, so those few extra hundred dollars matter.

Maybe I'll get lucky and spot one at a gun show or pawn shop, who knows?

Thanks for your advice by the way, appreciate it.

In the meantime I have my trusty CZ 82, I've run all kinds of ammo through it and know it'll keep me covered until I can get a more modern replacement. The 82 was my first pistol and it's what got me hooked on CZ's in the first place, so I'd hate to lose it to an evidence locker.

>>34106187

Then in that case it comes down to whether or not you really want a full-framed aluminum handgun, or a polymer frame-aluminum slide handgun. Because the Omega and the P-07/P-09 are pretty much the same in terms of features, but different in ergonomics. However I don't think you will find an Omega for /that/ much cheaper than a RAMI. Consequently you might end up being better off with the P-07 then due to budgetary and weight reasons. Don't think I am shit talking any of these guns though, I'm not. I am just saying if budget wasn't issue, I'd get a RAMI, then the Omega or P-07. I might get the Omega because I have a strong feeling it's more comfortable in the hand and to shoot, but the P-07 is cheaper, and lighter.

>>34106276
Yeah I'm still doing research and looking for guns locally to hold/rent.

Thanks again, I'll keep what you said in mind.

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>>34104933
Wish I could help but I only shot mine like twice before I swapped the sights and I dont remember if they were centered or not. I'd like to tell you that I would have noticed if they were off but I can't say that with 100% conviction. It is my first and only pistol so the first couple of trips were mostly just me trying to figure out how you fire a gun that only has one place to grip instead of two lol.

>>34104822
Post more tanfo porn pls.

>>34106161
>CZ's magazines are notoriously expensive, especially if you don't buy shitty, questionable ones.
Yeah, coming from shotguns with tube magazines and bolt-action rifles where I don't feel compelled to own more than like two magazines, the CZ has been a lesson in the expense of mags. Mec-Gar 19 rounders are 30 bucks each and I'm up to like 8 of them because I fuckin hate stopping to load mags at the range. I've mentioned this before in CZ threads but my long term plan is to just keep getting more CZ pistols and keep getting more of the same mags so I have mag compatibility across all of my semi-auto handguns. At this point I've got nearly $300 in mags so fuck if I want to buy anything that can't use them.

>>34099901
>Always wanted a CZ
>See CZ at shop
>Fingerfuck, try to rack the slide
>Wtf it won't work, is it locked somehow?
>No, I grabbed the frame because the slide is like 1cm tall
>Don't want a CZ anymore

I'm actually quite disappointed. How is it the most issued pistol in Europe? Are they all femboys with tiny hands?

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>>34106557
>Lacking the manual dexterity to operate a slightly shorter slide
>It even has serrations that grip like hell

Never had a problem. Make up whatever you want about "I have man hands" but unless you need an XXL size glove, you're lying to yourself. If you don't like them then that's fine, but fuck off if you think it's anyone's problem but your own.

>>34104604
>He doesn't realize .40 +P gives the same ballistic performance as 10mm

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>>34106584
My hands are very large thank you.

It's actually not a matter of hand size, it's training, which is what you revert to when you're shitting a purple twinkie. Good luck, I hope you only train with CZs.

>>34106593
>>34106593
>Good luck, I hope you only train with CZs.
Good thing that's exactly the case. :)

Like I said, if you don't like the design then don't buy one. But the issue is a matter of your preference and experience. Other people, including massive amounts of competitive shooters, love the benefits of the low bore axis.

>>34106039
P-01 if you have a 75 because it'll take the mags.
If you get a p-01 get an aluminum frame or better, get a pcr.

If you're getting a p-10, it takes p-07 mags.

I love CZs.. But still have no idea what the fuck the difference between an 85 and a 75 is, help?

>>34107573

85 is chambered in .45 and no longer in production.

The End.

>>34107573
The 85 provides an ambidextrous safety. That's literally it.

And some 75 models offer ambi safeties, so it's bit odd.

>>34108201
You're thinking of the 97.

>>34108246

97 is still on their site and catalog

>>34108328
I'm referring to the chambering. The 85 is 9mm and .40, the 97 is their only.45

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>>34102856
Certainly not!
...there is a lot more than just one pair

>>34107573
The 85 has an ambi slide release and safety. The 85 combat has adjustable sights and no firing pin block. Some 75s come with ambi safeties, notably the 75SA and at least some of the modern stainless 75s.

I'm planning on buying a CZ 75 B in the near future, so lemme axe u a kweshun.

What is the main difference between SP-01 and 75 B, other than chassis, weight, and the fact the 75 B is better for CCing?

>>34108443
The biggest difference is the frame having a rail on the SP-01 vs the reductions on the front end of the 75B. The SP-01 also has an ambidextrous safety, and a bigger, beefier slide release. The SP-01 also has a hole for the guide rod, which means it uses a different guide rod than the 75B. That's all of the differences I can think of. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to CC my SP-01. Things huge and weighs a lot.

>>34108462
>The SP-01 also has an ambidextrous safety,
I might be going crazy, but I swear to God I've seen some Omega models that have that as well?

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>>34100010
First polymer-framed and striker-fired CZ was the CZ-100 and it was a total commercial failure. It was DAO and had a meager 13-round magazine capacity in 9x19mm. One originality is that thing just behind the ejection port. It was designed to facilitate onehanded slide-racking. Unfortunately for it, it had to face the 2nd gen. Glock, Walther P99, H&K USP and S&W Sigma that all came out more or less at the same time.

>>34108204
85s have the Ambi safety and decocker - as well as the original CZ75B style trigger.

75s with ambi safeties are all Omega style trigger and don't have an ambi slide release.

85 is better overall, especially if you look at the 85 Combat - the 75 doesn't come in an equivalent flavor.

>>34108489
Looks like that'd correct. Im guessing stuff like that is why they've done away with the 85. Just stick an ambi safety on a 75 and its the same, except for the difference in what variants are offered (I.e. No 75 version of the 85 combat).
>>34108653
Just one small correction, not all 75 models with ambi safety are omega. Off the top of my head, the SP-01 and 75B SA are both ambi safety but non-omega trigger.

>>34102709
I would assume the rollpin punch is a metric variant
not a 3/32

>>34104772
all CZs are sighted in from the factory

your pistol should include a 5 shot group target page

How do you disassemble a Cz with an ambi slide release if the slide release is the part you tap out of the frame?

Fuck me. My local shop finally has some PCRs in stock for $550. Every other time I've seen them for sale any place they go for at least 600. But I'm a poorfag and already have a Jericho and told myself I wasn't going to buy any more guns unless I could find a .357 on the cheap. But I really want a PCR...

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>>34109326
It is necessary a more detailed explanation?

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Hey guys, OP here.

I sent a message to CZ-USA inquiring as to the production status of the 85 and 97 models, hoping for a more clear and official answer. Here's what they told me:

"The 85 is becoming harder to find due to it being discontinued. Regarding the 97, it's backordered due to popularity. That model is one of our most back ordered items on file right now, so much so, that we may not clear orders for them until at least sometime this coming fall, or even later. We are still accepting pre orders on them through CZ Authorized Dealers listed on our websites Dealer Locator, so you can do that, but know it can take some time. We get good size shipments of them every 2-3 weeks, so they're coming in at a good rate."

So it looks like the 85 is out, and the 97 is just located in some absurd extreme of the supply/demand chart. Hope this helps clear the situation up for anyone else that's been wondering about the difficulty of finding these guns.

The loss of the 85 model is sad because the 85 Combat is probably the best variant in terms out features right out of the box, but the inclusion of ambi safeties on more of the 75B models probably makes the 85 redundant. Maybe they'll release a 75 variant with adjustable sights to replace the lost 85 Combat. Or maybe they'll just let people stick to aftermarket or step up to the higher-end competition guns for features like those.

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I need to buy a shadow 2

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>>34110455
>screenshotting an image that has transparency

but why

For you guys looking for Ramis, see if it's possible to get one shipped out of CA. They're cheap and common here because nobody has a CCW.

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>>34110558
Hers another if that upsets you.

>>34110643
>check, sure enough there's a ton on armslist alone claiming to be from California Gun stores and they'll ship

Awesome, thanks anon, appreciate it.

>>34102709
>>34102768

If the FN 509 guy is still here have you tried comparing the 509 to the Sig P320? I'm curious about your input on the ergonomics of the pistol and trigger feel.

>>34105093
>const find RAMI after casually.searching
>settle for D compact
>it's a small SP01 anyway
>first day at range with D
>RAMI under the glass
>die a little

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>>34111536
I am. I also used to own a 320.
The 320 was fine, nice gun.
In all sincerity though, I thought the beaver tail was a little uncomfortable to carry. I'm technically obese according to my annual health screening but I am softer than I should be around the middle. The beaver tail was a little pokey and tended to leave a little bruise.
It also always bothered me that they just threw a striker in a 250 and acted like it was all that.
Nice shooting gun though.

>>34110455
>>34111040
What's so great about these vastly more expensive variants? The modest man's models are already highly praised.

>>34111577
I didn't like the rami. It's fat for being a 2 finger grip sub compact and I shot it to the side.

>>34110072

Thanks for asking senpai, I am glad I don't have to worry about running out and buying a not-so-good quality 97 just to have a 97.

>>34111595

Barrel wiggle is about the biggest compliment.The SP-01 shakes like someone with cerebral palsy.

>>34111594
Technically not obese... I need to go on a diet though. I'm 6'2" and 250lbs so yeah I'm fat.

>>34111624
I owned an Sp01. Never seen anyone say it shakes like that. The difference must be so minute. The shadows have a godly trigger or anything

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>>34111624
Wrong

>>34111648
It doesn't


The cz 75 does have a ton of wiggle but the full length frame rails of the sp-01 and even p-01, give it one of the tightest lock ups ever. I had a p-01, pictured, with 0 play in slide or barrel, 0, none, not any. Best guns I've ever owned but the p-01 was steal, too heavy CC. That's if get the pcr instead. I'll never let that sp-01 go though.

>>34111696
Wow, I'm in a hotel on phone.
Anyway, Glocks have much more barrel and slide wiggle.

>>34106589
So many bafoons who dislike .40 without realizing how effective it actually is.

what's the best compact cz pistol? I'm looking for something to complement my scorpion

http://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/75-compact-series/

I'm thinking the P-01

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>>34106039
i kind of wish i had gotten a p-01 instead of a p-07. i duped myself into a p-07 because i thought it looked cooler and worked well enough with cz75 mags, but i ended up selling the thing.

also, i noticed a lot of sp-01's, including the ones in this thread, have black barrels instead of the satin finished ones like mine has. i wonder if i got a special one, or if somewhere down the line they just changed the finish.

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>>34111790
This one. It's going to give you a good shooter/grip yet be more comfy to edc.

>>34111813
neat

>>34111813

They changed the finish. Early SP-01's are like yours. Go and look at some initial reviews and you'll see it.

>>34111813
Fuck me, did you actually get a Gunsmith Cats auto from Sonada?

Did you tell the fat bastard we need more of it?

>>34111905
thanq

>>34111997
neat, thanks.

>>34112019
yeah, i saw him at the emerald city comic con in 2014. he said he didnt have any plans to make more GSC, and i think after reading burst, i kind of understand why.

>>34112084
>he said he didnt have any plans to make more GSC, and i think after reading burst, i kind of understand why.
Cause he fucked it all up, that's why.

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>tfw they have a cold war Commemorative 75b at my local gun store
I never wanted anything more in my life.

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>>34112239
>czech gun
>with campy russian cyrillic on it

>>34112239
>fucking stamped kansas city, kansas
very authentic comrade.

>>34111884
what model is that?

>>34112915
Looks like a PCR.
>>34112339
You know the czechs made guns for the soviets, right?

>>34112981
Its even more ironic since the czechs hated the russians with a passion

>>34113006
Yep. Not like they had much of a choice in the matter. It is what it is.

I want to steal the spur hammer off one of those cold war 75s. Only part of it I like.

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>>34104440
OD green forever. I dyed my g10 grips black with some Rite Dye.

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Love me some CZ. I've been running the scorpion in USPSA PCC division. It beats out a lot of 9mm AR's in reliability. Anyone here running a Shadow 2?

>>34113263

Oh my god, why.

>>34113331

Good for you, but could you please explain the appeal of stuff like that? It just seems... I dunno, dumb.

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>>34113336
Because it arouses me and everyone knows its a classic color scheme you silly. Plus i they came green and I wasn't about that green on green life, it looked like a vegetable.

>>34113358
You mean guns?

>>34113358
The appeal of PCC? I guess I can tell you why I like it, but you shouldn't feel obligated to partake if it isn't your thing.
As far as the Scorp goes, it's a bit cheaper to shoot than 5.56. I can shoot it more accurately than a pistol due to the stock, and don't need to reload nearly as often. Magazines are cheaper than other handgun magazines so I have a lot. It's the most lefty friendly of the pistol caliber carbines on the market, and literally the only gun I can HK slap like a right handed person would.
USPSA matches are a lot of fun and challenge you more than your typical range day of fucking around in a controlled environment.

>>34113401

No, competition shooting like USPSA stuff. I know it's billed as practical, but practical in what sense? A shoot out with terrorists and you just happen to have your 3-gun kit with you?

>>34111595
Trigger and fitment.
The stock sp-01 has a garbage trigger
Fuck ton of creep
Heavy long pull
Long reset
At 25yds my sp-01 shot 13in groups
Not exactly accurate
>>34111696
A lot of sp-01s have a fuck to of barrel wobble.
Mine isn't bad but I've held some guns with horrid amounts of wobbling

>>34113424

How long did you have to wait to get the stock stamped? I was thinking about buying one because I am also a lefty.

>>34113432
You can shoot at bullseye targets at 5-25 yards all day, but to what end? USPSA will challenge your accuracy, gun mechanics, decision making and fitness (to a small degree).

It just seemed like the logical next step for me after years of range shooting.

>>34113451
I waited 6 months, but got in before the rule change craziness. The SB Tactical brace may be the way to go if you want to avoid the whole tax stamp thing.

>>34113432
its meant to get you moving and shooting. That requires different skills and training and is far more useful (if you ever had to use a firearm to defend yourself) than standing still shooting paper would.

Plus the time and scoring adds an element of stress, which would affect your aim.

>>34113573

Is it though? We have DGU threads all the time, and it's almost always boils down to opportunity and positioning. Not sprinting around and shit.

>>34113587
your heart will be pounding due to adrenaline and stress if you were actually in a fight. Sprinting around gets your body in the same kind of state.

This is the next best thing to simmunitions or paintball.

>>34099981
>>34099997
>>34100053

>85 Combat
My nigga.

So, guys, are we ever going to get a single stack RAMI? My dream gun.

>>34113587
Wouldn't it stand to reason that someone that trained to shoot well on the move would perform even better than someone that only trained in a stationary manner?

see
>>34113603

>your heart will be pounding due to adrenaline and stress if you were actually in a fight. Sprinting around gets your body in the same kind of state.

Someone that trains in a more stressful, more difficult environment will hone their skills farther than the person that only shoots at paper plates at 20 yards and will react better under stress and movement. Even if the majority of DGUs take place at extremely close range with a minimal amount of shots fired isn't the entire purpose of having a firearm on hand being prepared for an unlikely scenario? Why limit your capabilities because you suppose a situation calling for moving to cover or shooting while moving might not happen to you?
Also sport shooting is fun.

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Anyone else here carry a P01? Doesn't conceal as well as my USPC45 but it's a beautiful shooter as well, I love CZ. I want a wood gripped 75 as a formal dress piece

Am i stupid for not picking a PCR up off armslist for 550? i like CZs a lot but i already have a mid size carry gun and the cz apparently is a pain in the ass to change sight on

>>34113433
You're on crack or a troll.

Bought a scorpion carbine, it's excellent aside from the painful safety selector and the heavy trigger

>>34115846
Post pics so I can masturbate