Stick Grenades

>>34098362
They worked so I'd say yes.

Probably, they would be on Ian.com if they weren't any good.

>>34098373
Did the stick increase throwing distance enough to justify the extra bulk compared to a spherical grenade?

>>34098407
Go ask a fucking grenade technician mate, I just like how they look, I don't know fuck all about them. ALL I EVER WANTED TO BE WAS A CROP DUSTER PILOT!!!

>>34098407

I dunno I never used either.

>>34098362
No they wern't, guess how many militaries use stick grenades in 2000+17?

>>34098446
6?

>>34098407
Yes. You could throw them further but they were heavier and more cumbersome so you couldn't carry as many.

> The Stielhandgranate's handle design provided a lever motion in a throw, significantly improving the effective range of which it could be used. It could be thrown by the common German infantryman approximately 27 to 37 metres (30 to 40 yd) whereas the British Mills bomb could often only be thrown about 14 metres (15 yd)[4] The British War Office report "WO 291/472 Performance and handling of HE grenades" gives an average figure for a standing throw of a Mills bomb as 27 m (30 yd), when crouched 23 metres (25 yd) and lying prone 22 metres (24 yd)). One issue that hand grenades of the time had was unpredictable rolling after it had landed. The German Stielhandgranate does not suffer nearly as much (and in some respects not at all) to this problem as the handle together with the charge head resisted rolling. Instead of rolling straight down a hill or across rough terrain, the Stielhandgranate could create an axis for rotation (simply put, it would instead roll side to side, due to the fact that the charge head and length of the grenade acted as balance. However, the additional length of the handle, as well as the irregular overall shape, meant that fewer grenades could be carried.

>>34098446
That's not a fair comparison, most modern militaries issue grenade launchers at squad level nowadays. Before that, they had rifle grenades.

>>34098648
What I wonder is if we had some kind of composite handle that weighs less than wood, how much heavier they would be. Or even I wonder if we had a grenade atlatl a soldier could optionally carry for use on multiple grenades.

>>34098446
in the 1940s you didn't have an M203, and i'm not aware of anything the germans had like the garand rifle grenades.
the problem stick grenades solved is now solved with different equipment.
just because modern militaries don't issue javelins doesn't mean they never worked

>>34098690
It's not so much the wight, it's the bulk that's an issue. Maybe you could use a telescopic stick or a separate spear-thrower for hand grenades.

What could go wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VB2SHO8CUg

>>34098859
that was uncomfortable to watch

They would've been better if they had a rope to throw them by instead.

>develop stick grenade
>don't bother issuing a grenade pouch/holder
>have to carry them in your boot/belt

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One of these but for grenades

Should've issued regular hand grenades and a lacrosse attachment that replaces the bayonet on a rifle.

>>34098362
Would it be crazy to meet in the middle and have something like a grenade finger

>>34098981
Female soldier already fuck up grenades far more than should be, no need to make it even more complicated.

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>>34098727
One of these.

>>34099010
but i'm sure they can handle a dog toy...right?

>>34098954
This. At least in WWI, the stick grenades had clips to attach it to your belt. I have a theory that the Germans could have done better in the war if they had more ergonomic grenades. You don't see a lot of soldiers carrying them around regularly like every other army. They're too cumbersome. Imagine having to crouch or go prone with one of those things digging into your gut. I imagine lots of soldiers just ditched them.

They also had a poor guy sling his rifle on his back just so he could run around with a crate of grenades for everyone because no one wanted them in their boots or belts.

Also the stick grenade is harder to throw through windows and doors.

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>>34098691
>i'm not aware of anything the germans had like the garand rifle grenades
lurk more

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>>34098362
what if they made the stick part retractable

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>>34099127
Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPWbvQJr1CY

>>34098727
>telescopic stick

you wouldn't be able to do that with the original grenade design. the handle supports the fuse pull string. it would be unsafe.

you'd have to basically attach this telescoping stick to a new grenade design with a new fuse design.

>>34099191
not the anon you're responding to

I'd say you could design the grenade, so that when you pull out the telescopic handle you automatically pull the fuse.

Like:
>outer half of the handle is securely screwed into the grenade head
>unscrew the grenade handle
>sharply pull the outer handle away from the head, thus lighting the fuse and locking the two handle parts into place (like a telescopic baton)

Of course there's no demand for something like this now that we have stuff like M203s and GP-30s.

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>>34099191

>>34099350
That's pretty cool, so as soon as you extend it the timer starts?

>>34099361
That sounds a little scary.

>>34099361
It should probably be a bit longer, but yes, as soon as the handle is fully extended and locked into place, you better throw it.
Seems like it might be a disadvantage.

>>34099390
No because it would be cool, you wouldn't even need to extend it. The momentum from throwing would expand it.

>>34099400
dubs witnessed

Not so sure if it would ignite as reliably as a firm pull before throwing.

>>34099400
You need the handle to provide leverage to be able to throw it further though.

>>34098690
Kinda irrelevant now with grenade pistols and underbarrel grenade launchers being a thing

Probably would have been more effective with a string instead of a wooden dowel. It'd essentially work like a short shepherd sling.

>>34098362
ask your grandpas frien-

oh wait you cant.

>>34099010
>>34099127
Come to think of it, females might be a bit more comfortable handling stick grenades because the shaft is more familiar.

>>34098648
>the additional length of the handle, as well as the irregular overall shape, meant that fewer grenades could be carried.

The German army had a wire rack with a handle on it with which one soldier could carry dozens of grenades and act as a mobile warehouse for those throwing the grenades.

>>34099183

But the fuse runs through the stick shaft. Would modern tech allow for it?

>>34101567
We just make a normal M67 grenade, then super glue a stick to it.

>>34098446
3?

>>34099092
This dude gets it

>>34098417
Will you take off your shitty trip and lurk moar you fucking idiot.

>>34098981
Dude. I was going to post a Chuck itz as well!

>>34098362
Europeans throw like girls, so they needed the stick.

Americans played baseball and didn't need a stick. The M67 is shaped more like a baseball because of this.

>>34098362
It was easier for enemy to throw it back than round grenade.

>>34101411
I would hate to be that hun

>>34098362
>Were they a good idea?
Anon, grenades themselves have never been a bad idea. Any grenada is a good grenada.

I like how the first posts were
>The stick increased the range, but made them harder to carry
>What if we made a grenade atlatl

What if they just used a grenade launcher?

>>34099350
It might be better just to cast m67s with a little hollow knob that a handle would screw into

>>34098727
Why not a sturdy length of paracord tied directly to the grenade? For storage, the rope would be tied around the grenade with a quickly loosed knot.

Aside from giving extra distance by unraveling the cord and swinging the grenade into a throw, the rope can be used for arranging traps, or helping Conrad to tie his fucking shoe laces.

>>34099444
trips witnessed

>>34098417
I'm not sure if you're just another three-day-weekend shitposter making his rounds or a genuine dumbfuck.

>>34098362
they can be thrown far
don't know how this effects accuracy
>is the handle a waste of wood ?

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>>34098668
>tfw all the problems have already been solved decades ago
>>34098690
>weighs less than wood
might negate the anti rolling effect described
why give each grenade its own handle ?
something like a sling or cricket arm would work

>>34098981
>>34099092
>>34104687
Y'all really want to be around Other Humans whiles they tries to propel a ball of explosives via a baby lacrosse stick?

>>34104687
they are quite a few ways to throw traditional grenades while there's only really one way to use these

>>34101298
Couldn't you do that with the fuse string?

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>>34099350
>>34098727
>>34099350

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/RifleHandgrenades.html

>>34104954
A shows the weapon ready for hand-throwing. The Soldier just pulls the pin and keeps the green safety bar depressed until he is ready. He may replace the pin to make the weapon safe again. The safety bar has a clip that prevents the ring rattling. In the illustration the ring has been detached from this clip and hangs down the side.

In B the tail has been pulled out ready to be placed on the muzzle of the rifle. The pin does not need to be removed since extending the tail has disconnected the hand-thrown firing system and the grenade will be armed by the action of firing.

In C the pin has been accidentally removed while the tail was extended. Pulling the tail out disconnects the hand-thrown firing mechanism. The hand-thrown firing mechanism will only work when the tail is fully retracted. Releasing the safety lever when the tail is out allows the red safety pin to extend, locking the tail in the open position. The tail can only be fully retracted if it can push the red pin down and the red pin will be locked in the extended position unless the safety lever is compressed. Therefore the tail can only be fully retracted and the hand-firing system armed if the safety lever is compressed.

>>34104954
holy shit, angelfire websites are still around?

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>>34099092
We need to go deeper.

>>34104954
>http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/RifleHandgrenades.html

>mike sparks

mfw

>>34098362
>Were they a good idea?
Were they? Yeah they were an OK idea. Now they're fairly outdated.

The actual Stielhandgranates weren't amazing. Friction ignitors suck and are actually pretty dangerous, and overall the grenades were pretty heavy. Concussion grenades have their drawbacks as well.

But stick grenades are a decent concept when their alternatives were rifle grenades or mortars. A stick grenade can be thrown more than twice as far as a conventional one. They're less susceptible to rolling away after landing and I've heard that they're easier to throw prone. For the role as a dynamic assault force, they work pretty well in context, especially with the doctrine around their use at the time.

Nowadays, as others have pointed out they're outmoded by grenade launchers and a more mechanized and combined arms focused military allowing for more effective support in the field. The role of hand-grenades on the battlefield has changed.

I'm a little surprised we haven't seen them used by insurgents though.

>>34098446
China still has stocks of them, not sure if they still use them though. And NK still uses them.

So at least two.

>>34099191
You do know there other stick grenades besides the german one right?

Both the Russians and the British had stick grenades in WW1 and neither used a friction fuse.

>>34104008
I know you're probably a troll, but in case you're just an idiot misinforming others.

>ww2
>m67
>fielded in 1968
>Neither the m67 or the M2 are thrown like baseballs
also
>what is F1, F-1, Mills bomb, Breda etc.

>>34098362
Name a nation that still uses stick grenades.

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>>34106040
>China still has stocks of them
China literally MAKES new stick grenades. They're not reserves.

>>34104960
>>34104954
That can't be accurate with the spoon dragging out the side.

>>34106114
Bullshit...I know a gook dildo when I see it.

>>34099092
I use these on my dog
Can just imagine a fucking marine using this to throw m60s screaming " WHOS A GOOD SAND MONKEY!"

>>34106114
Cool, good to know. I knew they at least had them, but didn't want to say something I couldn't confirm was right.

Got a source on them still making them I can check out?

>>34098648
>lying prone
>22m
that sounds like a slight stretch desu

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>>34099092
Or one of these
>The sling is used today as a weapon primarily by protestors, to launch either stones or incendiary devices, such as Molotov cocktails. International Brigades used slings to throw grenades during the Spanish Civil War. Similarly, the Finns made use of sling-launched Molotov cocktails in the Winter War against Soviet tanks.

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Japan did have some hand grenade launching bows
but the ones I saw all looked field made
here is an older French kind

>potato masher with a stone and string in it

>>34098648
Put a square or hexagonal head and bam, no rolling at all.

>>34106651
That's more long range indirect fire than close range aimed throws.

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>>34106149
>>34098981
>>34099092
These Frag Vipers from GI Joe throw "baseball" grenades using those weird throwing things from that South American handball-whatever sport.

>>34106114
>even their grenades look like cheap plastic shit

>>34106651

The part about Finns using sling-launched molotov cocktails is BS. Finnish molotov cocktails were hand-thrown and what made them better from the ones earlier used in Abyssinian War and Spanish Civil War is that the Finns developed better liquid mixes (longer and hotter burn with more smoke) and more safer & effective methods of lighting up their molotov coctails - and put them in industrial production. The "sling-launched" bit might be a misunderstanding originating from often published Winter War era photo showing large slingshot that some Finnish soldiers had built for purpose of slinging hand grenades into Soviet trenches.

>>34098648
Oh fuck, get these facts off my board so we can go back to talking about which one has more stopping power.

>>34106114
it looks like a piece of bamboo with an avocado at the end.

>>34098362
>has stick for extra grip while throwing
>stick can also be used as blunt club for bashing skulls
>can also be used as a baseball bat for fooling around with the boys
>use it as a hammer to knock nails in
>use it as a dildo I'm case you get lonely and need to let off steam
>also aesthetic as fuck

The question isn't if they were effective, the question is why did we stop making them?

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>>34106838
lol you mean joi alai? would probably work, but, that image of a solider doing a little skip to increase power fucking gets me.

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>>34098407
It was for a culture that didn't have a baseball analog and didn't have throwing of grenade sized objects already indoctrinated in it.

>>34105410
>some kind of launcher
>for a grenade

keep dreaming, that sort of wacky idea will never work.

>>34110103
That's the new mexican grenade.

>>34101411
one hit will send you and anyone around you to space

>>34101360
Just like OP and his mum.

>>34104798
then normal lacrosse stick with multiple grenades