When will it kick off?

How many supercarriers do Americans have active at any given time?

>>34091837
8 on a very good day we have 10 total

>>34091837
yes

>>34091837
Currently theres 3.
Vinson
Reagan
Bush


3 more are in port.
Nimitz
Eisenhower
Roosevelt

4 are undergoing Maintenance
Lincoln
Stennis
Truman
Washington

3 more are in various stages of commissioning or building
Ford
Kennedy
Enterprise

3 more are in mothballs
Kitty Hawk
Constellation
Kennedy

>>34091827
Just dooooooo something already


>>34092115
why not scrap the ones in mothballs or turn them into museums? Seems like a resource drain tbqh

>>34092145
Why mothball anything at all?

>>34091827
Hopefully never, all memes aside, a Korean Peninsula war would be very bad for everybody.

Former NZ army here, I want in on this? Should I go over to you guys country and wait for a draft.

>>34092162
Hmmm, to afford new things maybe? Idk if its that expensive though

>>34092115
Lincoln and Ford will be ready with in the next month or so. Well, supposedly the Ford will be. Washington won't be deployable for a minimum for 4-6 years, depends on if RCOH goes like 71(long) or 72(fast). However, 77, 75, and 72 are all east coast carriers, so it will take quite sometime to even get to that part of the world.

>>34092171
Let's just keep the status quo of starving peons and concentration camps forever, good idea

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>>34092428
They are commies they aren't even people

>>34092428
What other option is there? Especially with a nuclear armed NK?

>>34092115
Can't have any more museum carriers since they're all nuclear powered.
Taking the reactor out means cutting open the flightdeck and every deck below and doing tons of work to make the ship 'clean'.
You would have to repair everything, and if it's not going back out to sea then it's a waste of time and money.

>>34092162
In case shit really hits the fan in a prolonged war and a lot of ships get sunk/ more are deemed necessary.

>>34092585
The rainbow wrist bands are a nice touch.

So at what point will the US navy have more jets in Korea than the norks.

>>34092428
"We've gotta do something!"

That attitude just keeps making you guys even more fun to laugh at, burger.

t. Swissfag

>>34092162
>in major war
>500 of your planes get shot out of the sky
>GUESS WHAT ASSHOLE WE HAVE 250 MORE MOTHBALLED AND IN TWO MONTHS WE'LL HAVE CONSTRUCTED ANOTHER 150

>>34092428
There are some signs of the people starting to wake up. We may only have to support the up rising when it happens.

>>34092786
Well I can understand your position, these people probably don't have any gold teeth.

>>34092115
So right now we have no carrier presence in either Europe or Southwest Asia?

>>34092145

Cause the times of mass producing warships like that in WWII is over. So if something happens and a ship get's sunk it takes less resources, time and manpower to get a replacement from mothball than it is making new one. If I remember correctly it could take four plus years to build a new carrier while pulling a Mothball will end up taking significantly less.

>>34091837
more than you.

>>34093356
>If I remember correctly it could take four plus years to build a new carrier
you don't necessarily need to make gigantic carriers like the Nimitz class if you just want a naval airstrip. you're also going to have massive parallel construction.

i certainly would not like to be up against 25 small aircraft carriers and 9 Nimitz's after i destroy one Nimitz.

>>34093403
>small carriers
america has those too, you just don't hear about them. there's a shitload of those fuckers. if you give me a minute (or if a /k/omrade is so kind) I can get the infographic that breaks down all american carriers.

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>>34093420

>>34091827
>when will it kick off
Not soon enough desu

>>34093428
that's a lot of burkes and subs

>>34093420
>Wasp class
>small carrier
i'm thinking more independence class

>>34091827
Issue is all the turret placements in the mountains. The weapons and ammunition is dated but is holding civilians hostage (S. Korea) if attacked. It has been confirmed the Best Korea has built tunnels into the south and may prove an annoyance.

Other than that. Whenever. Their coastal, subs defenses will be sunk in less than an hour. We would have troops on the ground while our vehicles clear more mine free routes. Just about any defense will be cleared in hours by guided missiles, bombers & other fun.

My question is.. how many brrrrrrrrrrrrts do we have in the area.

>>34093462
holy shit so trump will take ol' Kim Jong Un on a real pounding.

unleash all those carriers at once, all those hundreds of tomahawks and bombs.

North Korea will surrender in under 24 hours.

>>34093462
you don't really need boots on ground that fast, the most important part in NK's case is taking out all that artillery aiming at Seoul quickly enough, the rest is easy

>>34093493
>>34093462
so it's basically just a war of B52s, ASW, and tomahawks?
fun.

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>>34093493
wonder how long this bridge will stand

Kim Jong Un might flee into russia

>>34093491
Not about surrender. They will be hiding underground and will let those above die. Just about taking away their ability to hurt our air and fleet.

>>34093493
Just to move up the DMZ, China will go in on "humanitarian reasons" and claim the northern mountain area full of rare metals.

>>34093507
Yup. Comes down then to crowd control and then hunting down glorious fatass.

>>34093507
yes, but it has to be a really well coordinated attack, all the artillery pieces need to be destroyed before fatkid can scramble a firing order

>>34093530
>implying seoul can't be rebuilt
even if he does get some rounds out, it doesn't matter, anything can be fixed.

>>34093462
Don't underestimate the MANPADs and AAA in the area. This will be like the invasion of Okinawa and Japan. I expect every indoctrinated North Korean to fight to the death like fanatics.

>>34093533
what about the hundreds of thousands dead anon?

Also consider that fact the current DMZ on the Best Korea side is mined to shit. We would need to move past those fields just to stop the wave of people trying to flee into S. Korea. Otherwise you have a HUGE wave of people walking into mine fields. Total PR nightmare.

>>34093538
at least this time we'd be prepared for that shit.
the only real problem is; can dow still make napalm and agent orange?

>>34093561
nepalm was never retired and korea isn't a jungle so there's nothing to defoilate

>>34093629
communists are foliage, anon.

>>34092708
The US Navy has the 2nd largest "Air Force" in the world at 3,403 aircraft.

>>34092708
So, they will have more jets than the Norks almost immediately.

>>34092174
>Former NZ army
What do you think about the new rifles?

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>>34091827

This can only mean one thing: War.

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US Attack On North Korea Imminent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQx7sxKv-I

>>34096493
Never got to use one. I left just as they were the fancy new rifle only for the guys with good boy points and a throats full of higher ranked cock, also never shot an AR.

I'm guessing an average yank would be able to tell you more about it then I could, but I can say for damn well fucking certainty it's good to be rid of the shitty intergral optics on the augs. Also would be nice to have a rifle you don't have to clean every five seconds.

>>34092786
you haven't phezzani scum.
t. mountain jews

>>34093538
Wrong.

Every single documentary of NK shows the populace knows its all bullshit.

>>34093462

The a-10 would get destroyed by north oorean air defense.

>>34094706
Except most of those aircraft will not be used in north korea you dummies.

>>34093462

>and then China says "stop"

Remember how Korea went last time?

>>34091827
trump is too much of a coward to sort this out, so its just usual maneuvers.

>>34093542
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

>>34092145
Old carriers maybe, but anything Nimitz class and above have nuclear reactors embedded deeply into them.

Even assuming all the effort to safely remove the reactors is worth of it, what would be left would be unfit for a museum.

>>34096586
If these new missiles are so self sufficient as to not need pretty much any support devices in the launcher, why such a large crew?

There's been dozens of times since armistice that ''tensions escalated'' and literally fucking nothing happened.

Trump talks shit because he wants to be seen as a President who's though but he won't do shit.

This will go nowhere and will eventually die down like it always did.

>>34093403
If you're facing an opponent that is sinking carriers, you certainly do need Nimitz size vessels.

Theres a reason they're so damn big.

>>34093428

Pretty cool to see the naval inventory. Sailed on six of these vessels so far.

>>34092198
>Washington won't be deployable for a minimum for 4-6 years, depends on if RCOH goes like 71(long) or 72(fast).
How fuckin long does it take to refuel a carrier jeez
>Can't have any more museum carriers since they're all nuclear powered.
>Taking the reactor out means cutting open the flightdeck and every deck below and doing tons of work to make the ship 'clean'.
>You would have to repair everything, and if it's not going back out to sea then it's a waste of time and money.
Why bother taking out the reactor? Why not use it to power the neighborhoods near the museum instead?

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>>34093014
>http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html
Check for yourself.
>>34093356
>image
*sigh* it was a simpler time back then... now we can't even build frigates within a month.

>>34092585
that overflowing trashcan behind him speaks volumes

>>34099804
The refits are comprehensive and not just limited to refuelling the reactor. They replace older systems, do extensive overhauls of just about everything, rip out catapults and overhaul them. 4-6 years is actually really fast for the level of work that goes into RCOH. They happen every 25 years basically.

>>34099804
Refueling these reactors is a pain. This is supposedly one of the improvements of the Ford class, they should not need to refuel during its whole active life.

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>>34095107
You're missing the Japanese ones, anon.

>>34092115
Fuck, I love this country. God bless.

>>34099839
Is that because they're going to be obsolete in ten years?

>>34092115
>Constellation
Broken up in 2015

>>34092811
>IN TWO MONTHS WE'LL HAVE CONSTRUCTED ANOTHER 150
Only after another 2 years, the time needed to rebuild your plane factories from ground up.

>>34093663
Goddamn weeds is what they are

>>34099857
That is not an aircraft carrier. It is an amphibious support ship that helicopters may or may not gently graze while loading and offloading humanitarian supplies. Japan is not allowed to have carriers by international treaty.

>>34099804

this is retarded

its like looking at Able Archer 83 and saying "well clearly we are about to perform a nuclear first strike on the Soviet Union"

>>34100035
>not an aircraft carrier
>carries helicopters
pick one, motherfucker

>>34100096

meant to quote >>34096586

>>34100096
Because it is too small to have a meaningful range or the warhead is too small to carry a nuclear weapon? Or it looks fake?

>>34099857
It's a """"""""""""""destroyer""""""""""""""

>>34100100
>fixed wing aircraft
>0

>"sending an aircraft carrier will resolve the nuclear crisis" says increasingly nervous president for the third time this year

>>34092162
Military equipment gets mothballed when it's surplus to current requirements but not obsolete. Most of the US mothball fleets (sea, air and land) are from the end of the cold war, when suddenly lost of perfectly serviceable equipmemt was rendered unneeded by the lack of Soviet threat. Keeping it acive would have been wasteful, but it's still perfectly fine Commie-killing hardware; so it gets put away for a rainy day when the Commies start getting uppity again.
>TLDR: you already paid for it, might as well keep it in case it's useful later on.

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>>34095107
Fixed

>>34100100
wow you're retarded arent you.

>>34092428
>the status quo of starving peons
Are you gonna feed everyone then bitch about brainwashed refugees?

>>34092145
> Why keep easily ready to be refitted and deployed in an "oh shit" option.
Was that really a question?

>>34093428
Is there something like this for the UK Navy? I'd love to see a direct comparison.

>>34093428

I think its neat that they haven't stricken the Pueblo since its in enemy hands.

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>>34101424

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>>34101654
Thanks pal.

>>34093542
>what about the hundreds of thousands dead anon?
Insect people, they don't matter nor count.

>>34101654
Those names... especially for the submarines.

I think I am wet.

>>34100035
It's their constitution that bans "Offensive weapons", not international treaties.

>>34100964
It's an old picture anyway. Still shows CVN65.

>>34095107
>>34100964

Were the spanish ones not going to be decommissioned? Are they still in active duty?

Also, the brazilian one is docked for repairs and upgrades since forever and will take as much to go back into active duty.

>>34101654

Just for fun is there one for >a fucking leaf?

>>34101727
I'm talking thousands of dead south Koreans.

>>34098160
Xi has had enough of Kim's shit

>>34100989
Is a helicopter an aircraft or not?
He is right you mongoloid

>>34099695
Cooool, which ones, if you don't mind me asking?

>>34092644
What would mean if a nuke powered sub/carrier or multiple nuke powered ships get wrecked in a war and sink in the ocean? What would the environmental implications be? No hippie just curios/

>>34099822
>http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html
shit I'm in WA, can I visit these master pieces if they're in Bremerton?

>>34103765
Well, water is a very good insulator for radiation, a few meters away from the wreckage would be safe already.

>>34096586
Friedman knows his shit, I always listen to him. Hell, the US government listens to him. Smart man on world affairs, I recommend his books, "the next 100 years" is epic. Talks about Americas destiny to be the one and only super power in the world and future of the world.

what if someone press the wrong buton and all the planes fall off

>>34092171
I'm not convinced of that.
Better to put the Norks down now than later.

>>34092919
top kek

>>34093420
Small carriers are shit. A carrier half the size might posess 1/4 the force.

>>34103765
If the reactor vessel was not wrecked there would be no detectable radiation more than about five meters form it for hundreds of years, and then all the nuclear material would wash away in the ocean harmlessly.

If containment was broken it all floats away harmlessly. The ocean is jam packed with radioactive particles and water is an excellent radiation stopper.

>>34101654
>HMS Grimsby

kek

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>YFW when the US Navy orders a fourth carrier to Korea.
>Its Battle Force Zulu all over again.

>>34103803
AHAHAHAHAHA
After the shooting in Norfolk where Joe Fucklehead tried to hijack a fucking Burke (Mahan)... ain't no fuckin' way you'll be allowed anywhere near them ships (unless it's Fleet Week).

>>34101654
...Why do the Darings have a fucking Dalek on them?

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>>34091827
I think the ship is realizing it would get its shit pushed in should SHTF

>>34095107
>>34100964

Both of these are wrong.

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>>34093538

This >>34096778

Saying every North Korean is a brainwashed zealot is akin to saying people in history couldn't understand what a bottle of water is because it's made with plastic. There are definitely brainwashed sections of the populace, but the majority, especially those who are high up in the regime, understand a cult of personality is a fragile thing. Kim is supported because the system requires it. The people who support the system don't do it because they think tiny chubby man is a God, they do it because it's how they eat and prosper.

Farmers and workers who starve during famines have little idealization of the DPRK regime. They won't say so in public, but nearly all sources of defectors have confirmed that people get the gist of what the situation is.

>>34098160

China would want to be involved in some way. If the US/SK tries to go reunification of the Northern side of the peninsula then China would have no choice to Korean War 2.0. However, there are a million different scenarios including ones where China is involved militarily in a neutral or allied position. Ideally for China, the current regime would get BTFO and swapped for a more reasonable (and subservient) regime. If that could happen, maybe NK could make some capitalistic reforms.

The goal of a second Korean war will be to change the DPRK regime. US and China agree on this.

>>34103765
Similar to the already sunk nuclear submarines.

USS Constitution vs HMS Victory war games when?

>>34109557
already happened, HMS victory did not live up to its name.

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>>34109610
>HMS victory did not live up to its name.

Really?

>>34091827
>tfw I've been playing the Wargame Red Dragon campaigns over and over again for the past two months since shit started escalating again
CAN'T WAIT

>>34093428
>there
Jesus Christ. Anyone have a current Chinese one?

>>34101654

if you had one for the Japanese Navy half of the other posters would be REALLY surprised.

>>34092428
Funny how people will use that to justify war, but I guarantee those same people will be the first to say "fuck 'em" a refugee crisis follows their liberation.

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>>34110440

>>34110664
>2015
>current
China's added like half a dozen frigates and other shit since then

>>34093014

>carrier presence in Europe

Nigga we got like 5 major air bases in Europe. We don't need any carriers there.

>>34093428

Why do we have one pirate ship?

>>34111938

The Navy keeps the USS Constitution around as an educational/public outreach vessel.

It also serves as a symbol for the US Navy, as the oldest commissioned naval ship still afloat in the world

>>34101010
>>34110535
No, I am happy to help them out. I'd look forward to a chance to help them rebuild as a volunteer. I have great love for these people. Why would you assume otherwise? It seems like a strawman to just prop up your side of the issue.

>>34092659
>>34099829
>not knowing about ADF.

That faggot is a literal retard. He's an Italian from Philadelphia who pretended to be Jewish, changed his name from Phil to ahuviya, then decided that he was actually a Mexican woman named Isabel.

He pretended that 4chan did a drive by on him in Oakland a few years ago.

Look him up if you want a strong dose of weirdness.

>>34099957
You mean that the Norks or the ChiComs bombed the facilities in Ft.Worth?

>>34099957
Also, if needed, we could take most mothballed F-16s and make them into unmanned versions
http://taskandpurpose.com/unmanned-f-16-fighter-drone/

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>>34091827

>>34092198
My guess is Washington will go long with all the new blood and the controls we're getting ready for the Fukushima contamination. Maybe not though.

>>34099804
>>34099834
Refueling deals with cutting your way all the way down to the reactors, and then taking them apart, all while dealing with radiation and contamination controls. Then do all that in reverse while the rest of the ship is stripped and rebuilt. It's a really long process.

>>34099839
>>34099907
I would comment, but I'll have to check our book to see what I can post.

>>34093356
>>34093403
>>34099822
You are confusing lack of ability with lack of will. We might not be able to pump them out quite that fast because of growth in ship size and complexity, but in a war time economy we could build them much much faster. Hell we hardly have anyone working 2nd and 3rd shift, and 1st shift isn't even at full manpower. We just build at the speed Congress funds us for (or doesn't because they like to dick around with the budget).

>>34111938
>>34112035
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a17667/americas-only-ship-killer-is-over-200-years-old/
It's also the only active-duty vessel that's sunk an enemy ship

>>34092115
Stennis is getting underway in a little bit, my roommate is an engineer at PSNS and just finished up work on her.

>>34113541
WARGAME RED DRAGON WHEN!?!?!?!?

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You are welcome.

Now delete this pic and nuke your hard drive.

>>34114022
lol

>>34114022
HPAC run.

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>>34111938
dont be talking shit about Old Ironsides, its seen more combat than 99% of current warships

>>34092428
As far as the countries that are involved are concerned,that is a good idea.
There's nothing to gain from conquering North Korea other than a huge humanitarian crisis, decades if hard work and money spent on rebuilding it and bringing it back up to a useful level and a pissed off China.
Just leave them to it, at most China will knock off Kim and install someone more compliant and less mental.

>>34114022
>>34114155

Aren't these surface burst fallout projections?

>>34114270
Near surface probably. Designed to minimize fallout.

>>34114273
>Near surface probably. Designed to minimize fallout.

I'm surprised they're that high. I was under the impression that high yield, ground area pressure optimized explosions would exhaust their radiation pulses without touching the ground.

>>34114298
When the fireball touches the surface, it scoops up soil and material into it. This gets mixed with bomb debris, fission products to make fallout.

The higher the yield, the bigger the blast, the more fallout. You can target smaller yield weapons against hardened targets, if they are accurate enough.

The smaller yield warhead still has a fireball that reaches the surface, to destroy the hardened facility, but its much smaller, cools faster. There isn't as much fallout and it precipitates out quicker. this means it doesnt travel as far.

In theory, it all works.

>>34114393
That clears things up. Thanks, Oppenheimer!

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>>34114411
This give a better idea.

>>34114155
I thought you dropped your trip

>>34114423
Fuck forgot second part:
Welcome back and thanks for the info

>>34114423
Only post with it occasionally. On vacation.

>>34113995
I'm glad SOMEONE recognized it.

>>34103885
>Talks about Americas destiny to be the one and only super power in the world

We've already had that for the past twenty years.

>>34091827
The US could send 10 carrier groups off the coast of NK, I'm not sure how much good it would do seeing as NK could be reasonably sure the US isn't going to actually do anything.

>>34114155
Oppen! Welcome back! (Officially)
Plz don't go away again ;_;

>>34092115

>mfw USA can just build another supercarrier and eclipse the rest of the earth's naval forces

truly the greatest nation

>>34112035

kek the next proper war they should sail it out just to fuck with people

>>34093493

They'd likely just evacuate Seoul either way

>>34093538
>I expect every indoctrinated North Korean to fight to the death like fanatics

if this was the Korean War then maybe, the guys in the NK military aren't retarded they know the US Military is invincible and that the South can fuck them up on its own just about, they might fight hard as shit but they won't just throw their lives away for nothing

>>34093550

>tfw you realize it's not mined by the Norks to keep the South out it's keeping the North Korean civilians in

>>34103885
>Talks about Americas destiny to be the one and only super power in the world and future of the world.
>Smart man
>I always listen to him
Yeah, no shit.

>>34093550
>We would need to move past those fields just to stop the wave of people trying to flee into S. Korea. Otherwise you have a HUGE wave of people walking into mine fields.
They are just helping their glorious liberators to clear the minefields.
>Total PR nightmare.
Not our mines, not our people, not our problem.

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>>34100100
So every cruiser, destroyer and frigate with a helipad is an aircraft carrier?

It'll kick off only after S. Korea evacuates everyone from N. Korean artillery range.
Then it's fucking game on.

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>>34092115
how long would a recommission/outfit & man take? Would it be feasible to do thre at the same time?
>>34092585
They're not communist they a mix of national-socialist and (in practise) monarchists. Juche is fucking weird.

>>34106947
because they can
>>34106984
?

>>34099957
You realize in a war time scenario like that the President would demand they work 24/7 to get them built, right? They could be built in under two months easily. Just look at WW2

>>34113541
5th Carrier deployed to the Western Pacific, one carrier hit by one of 250 SCUD missiles barraged at it limps back to port in Hawaii, Pentagon reports routine activities.

>>34116683
Pentagon chief analyst says 'dude i don't fucking know, i'm not in the navy'

>>34100862

In addition to being recalled into US combat service, they might also be delivered as foreign military aid, or used for training if the USA needs to rapidly expand its armed forces.

>>34106947

Because they wanted to put a big radar as high up as possible, but also make it relatively low-observable to enemy radar.... That is the result.

>>34091827

>South Korea wants Sunshine Policy
>3 CSGs in WPAC is not 3 CSGs of KP
>Trump is saving a Korean War as his... trump card against impeachment
It's not happening.

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>>34116477
>So every cruiser, destroyer and frigate with a helipad is an aircraft carrier?
No. But then again, they're not flattops now are they?
Also
>F35B
>35B
>5B
>B

>>34119624
>F-35B

which Izumo can field about as well as it can launch E-2Cs

>>34115158
And it will continue for at least a couple more centuries where North America will be the dominant empire on earth. GG foreign fagos.

>>34091827
How is it that this many ships and planes will be kept supplied? There is only so much ordnance and fuel in the carrier group and the logistics to move more from stockpiles should be quite hard. Particularly given that North Korea would not just sit idly by bombing Seoul while their artillery and AA is taken out, besides there being lots of them to be taken out.

>>34091827
Any recent public assessment of the North Korean air force they would be up against?

I reckon they have more than An-2s and Mig 21s like:
https://youtu.be/zMe163w_21U?t=330

>>34092115
>
Constellation
The Connie is gone man.
She should have been a Carrier Museum.
"America's Flagship" presidential stamp.
My dad served on her too, he was in tears when it was her time to go.

>>34100035
>international treaty

Wrong faggot

>>34119567
Impeachment of what? Not letting Hillary win?

>>34121252
>It's covered in rust and beach umbrellas

File: 1496044407220.png (491KB, 504x459px) Image search: [Google]

491KB, 504x459px

>>34092786
You'll never know what it's like to be apart of the most powerful empire on Earth, Eurofag.

>>34123323
>umbrellas

Are these not their unusual silo latches?

The issue is they are functional and they have a reasonable number of them, which will demand attention. Particularly during the critical initial hours.

>>34110425
I dug out playground of destruction to give it another runthrough... holds up pretty well surprisingly.

>>34123561
>Are these not their unusual silo latches?
Probably but I can't unsee it.