MSBS

>>34091331
Looks like something I'd fiddle with at a gun store but never purchase

You know the gun is going to be "Gun for every soldier", there will be many versions of it that will be able to made it a 2nd version like you change a Machine gun version into an assault rifle

>>34091331
>there are also plan to start selling it in USA

good timing looks like they'll be able to bring it to market before the MDR and steal some customers

If they bring them in for less than $1k. I'll try one.

>>34091331
The bullpup version looks awesome, the AR version looks pretty fucking cheap.

These are only 2 versions, they're planning to make more

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>>34091331

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>>34091524
Looks better not vomit colored.
Is this basically just an ACR knock-off?

>>34091524
Earlier developmental models?

Looks very similar, but i don't know.

>>34091469
They both look pretty fucking cheap, anon.

looks like poop

>>34091754
Baby poop more exactly

>>34091331
Price? $500? Because quality ARs are <$700. Otherwise, what is the point?

>>34091895
And this is why it's never gonna be built here.

Vaporware. Army is supposed to start testing them this year but seeing that they just placed order for some 50000 Beryls we won't be seeing MSBS on the market any time soon. FB won't start production until military orders them, and even then they'll make no more than a few hundred for civilian market a year. Why? Because it's a state owned company, their sole purpose is to make guns for military and police, civilian sales are just a side business for them.

>>34091331
There have been plans to sell it in the US since they announced the desert tech MDR...

It would be a cool cheap alternative to the SCAR, with some ACR features. Like the SCAR, it's pointless in 5.56, unless they get it down to AR prices which I doubt.

>>34091469
>bullpup version

It fucking ejects out the side. What is this the 1980's?

They look like they're made of partially melted caramel.

>>34091331
thought the Polish were all over that HK dick, and went for 416's?
Also are they getting the bullpup version or the regular

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>>34091534
It's a polish ACR that actually does the stuff the ACR promised

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>>34092357
They're getting both, the "bullpup" is just a swapped lower

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>>34092330
there is no "Bullpup version"

there only one upper that can be drop onto the stock lower or the bullpup lower

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>>34092319
They're still supposedly working on a factory for it in Texas. I hope they actually do make it, these look neat as hell

>>34092368
alright, I see, I see

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>>34091999
They already are in production for the Polish Military, and they are supposed to start US production in 2018

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>>34092350
>>34091776
>>34091754
>>34091559
As >>34091550 said, those are early dev models, from 2015 I believe. I don't have a picture of it saved, but the original model looked like a khaki green scar

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>>34092411
I don't remember where I got this and the following picture, so forgive their low-rez-ness

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>>34092420

>>34092370
That grenade launcher looks A E S T H E T I C

>>34091895
The AR market is saturated, no one wants another AR.

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>>34092429
This isn't the picture that I recall, I remember one where they were much blockier and in shot-show-esque cases, but you can see how much they were attempting their own take on the ACR platform

>>34092438
Yeah, people are tripping over themselves to buy something less capable and more expensive.

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>>34091895
IIRC they are going to be going for around $1800-$2k. However judging from what we've seen so far they'll launch with the barrel/caliber swap kits, unlike the acr which only just showed them at this years shot show.

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>>34092437
Just for you, anon

>>34092454
less capable than an AR is hard to do. It's a good enough design, but it's from the 50's. The AR is pretty sensitive to how much lube it has and it's viscosity, and is only really used because it's cheap and has a massive aftermarket. Other than that it's pretty mediocre.

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>>34092445
>>34092445
Here we go, not in the cases but, the original design for the MSBS Radon

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>>34092482
One of the designers of the MSBS Radon

>>34092368
The uppers are clearly different.

Last I heard the bullpup wasn't even past a 3d printed prototype. They're still a very new design, which is why in OP's pic they look like they're carved out of soap. They actually are, those are pre-production sculptures. When they unveiled them a couple years ago they had the standard version in production but the bullpup was still carved. Not even sure if it exists yet.

>>34092491
Obligatory bayonet, will probably only be used for the ceremonial rifles though. Who knows.

>>34091331
It looks like an ACR/Magpul Masada

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>>34092501
Forgot the pic, whoops.
>>34092496
You must've last heard quite a while ago, those in OPs pic are several years old. The bullpup configuration has been being developed side-by-side with the standard. Either way it isn't even that heard to simply get a bullpup trigger on a standard rifle. There are many airsoft examples that work on real guns.

>>34092471
That's some new bait there. Have a (you).

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>>34092491
RadoM is the company, MSBS is the model.

>>34091534
I didn't understand why they made the handguard on the MDR slanted like pic related, now I realize they copied the aesthetic of the MSBS. However, the MSBS did it so the adjustable gas block would be exposed, the MDR gas block is still not exposed making it a pointless waste of sight radius. This gun isn't even out yet and it keeps getting worse and worse...

The bullpup MSBS doesn't have the slant, how the fuck do you adjust the gas?

/autism

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>>34092370
I just love how full the bullpup version looks with the grenade launcher.

>>34092519
>sees picture
that can't be right

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>>34092532
Yeah, I admittedly find it easier to say the MSBS Radom or the Radom/n even the company is, as you said, Fabryka Broni "Łucznik" Radom.

I never noticed this until now but it looks like the forward upper part of the rail on the bullpup is an addition attached part, and the gas is adjusted in the little notch there. When switching to standard/dmr i would assume that part is removed and the regular handguard is slid on.

>>34092520
>muh favorite [x] has no flaws and is and always will be superior to everything
never change, 4chan

>>34092564
>>34092532
I am now 100% positive it is just an upper addition, you can see the standard upper has a slanted-to-picatinny side, wheres the picatinny on the bullpup is covered. I assume that upper addition is to help stabilize the lower part of the handguard.
>>34092549
What about the picture is not right?

>>34091331
*Radom

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>>34092587
>>34092496
Here's some proof that the bullpup lowers are actually a thing

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>>34092604
More early bullpups.
>>34092594
Lemme just go change the names of all the files from radon to radom real quick

>>34092604
Probably 3d printed pre-production.

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>>34092615
Might be, the design works though so I'm not sure what they'll do with it next. It'd be interesting if all the production lowers end up being 3d-printed
>>34092614
Yes! Found my favorite picture of the standard models

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>>34092632
While this line-up doesn't have the watermark/disgusting shading, it has a black vertical line for some reason.

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>>34092636
Another shot of the line-up. Angled albeit slight lower picture quality

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>>34092639
A slightly earlier version of the standard config

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>>34092652
This would make a nice wallpaper if it was 1920x1080 with an improved quality

>34092586 (you)
Na, you've gotta put more effort into it than that if you want a (you) from me.

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>>34092662
Likewise with this picture

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>>34092673
It looks like the bayonet lug (if that's all it is) might be adjustable to allow for an upwards bayonet as seen >>34092519 or like the lower placed one in pic related

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>>34092685
It's interesting the minute changes they make, such as going from 3 holes in the handguard to 2. With this change I assume it was for more structural stability

At first I was like gross... But I kept scrolling and I liked it more and more. I still need to see the final price.

Would be nice to see a big brother version that shoots 308.

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>>34092695
I like that through all the changes they kept the stock as it is, I like the minimalistic yet functional look.

>>34092673
That gun uses the standard ar grip.....

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>>34092724
I wanted to post a picture of the stock up close but it was giving me a conneciton error every time I tried. Have a picture where the stock is worse instead.
>>34092731
It does indeed, I'm not sure about the current models, but at one point they did. There is a picture of a bullpup configged one with a tan magpul grip if I haven't already posted it

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>>34092742
I now see that originally they wanted to impliment the Beryl's (Polish AK currently issued to army) stock on the ACR-inspired radom

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>>34092753
>>34092731
I'm not sure if this grip is magpul as I thought but it certainly is an AR one

>>34092762
Thats BCM

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>>34092762
I think this is a NV or IR scope, but surely some other more knowledgable anon can confirm/deny that for me

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>>34092773
>>34092731
I do believe that this is from shot show 2017, so it looks like they stuck with the changeable grip design.

>>34092662
I love that grenade launcher, but the barrel is what, 3 inches past the projectile?

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>>34092787
A little up close and personal with the stock. I hope it ends up being relatively solid feeling

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>>34092792
That model looks like it's using the DMR barrel, and although I'm not well educated on how grenade launchers function, it shouldn't be that much of a problem if at all.

One side of the main area, wait for the next image to see the ambidextrous fire selector

I'd totally buy the bullpup version.
Not that color though.

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>>34092809
>>34092792
I take back >>34092809, that is clearly a standard barrel.

For those who like ambi-selectors here you are. That mag release is pretty interesting too, might be a bit flimsy though

>>34092437
The poles really know how to design a weapon. Even their tanks look like they won't show up on radar.

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>>34092824
Another image of the receiver

>>34092398
Sauce on that? They were supposed to be available in US a year ago.

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>>34092834
>>34092832
You are correct, for another semi-neat weapon look up the radom 15. Seems like cross between a compact sig and a 1911. Although I don't believe the tank you are referencing ever made it to production.

I love that they changed from waffle-mags to standard AR mags, no offense to those of you with a knack for those things

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>>34092847
As the rest of the thread says it is the FB MSBS Radom, and production/availability is scheduled for 2018. Since they've attended every recent shot show with minor design changes, I have good hopes they'll be on time.

Could someone inform me as to what this rail mounting thing is called? It seems like short picatinny sections used on MLOK or such

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>>34092859
The ejecting side (not sure if it can be changed from left or right) seems really nice how flat and smooth it is

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>>34092872
It looks like this display model got roughed up quite a bit in it's travels

>>34092809
>>34092824
I wasn't talking about the rifle barrel. I'm talking about the snub-nosed barrel on the grenade launcher. Doesn't that affect range and accuracy?

>>34092519
um...wouldn't bullets hit the bayonet hook?

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>>34092533
yeah, they look like space age

>>34092882
Yeah, with the current mounting system I don't see this being fired with bayonet's attached unfortunately. As for the grenade launcher, I guess it would be impacted, but I've seen some pretty short launchers on M4-type rifles too. They might have extensions of the grenade launcher barrels too, or just different ones all together.
>>34092887
The whole rifle does, although I see why the bullpup is more popular in media. Thanks for the other picture of the tan bullpup config, I didn't have that one yet

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>>34092906
Was going to post this last time.
It seems to me now that their barrel lengths are 11, 14.5, 16, and 20 or 20+. The fluting on just the end of the barrel here seems peculiar though

>>34092882
No, the high-low launch system doesn't need much of a barrel. It's never going to be highly accurate at those velocities, anyways, just 'good enough'.

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>>34092914
I just noticed the whole barrel is fluted, my bad.

Here's a closer look at the sights. Front sight is next and then rear sight folded.

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>>34092929
Here we go

>>34092922
Do you know how accurate they're supposed to be? Like say out to a 100m it would have to be within a 10m diameter projected area?

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>>34092933
And here we are with the rear down

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>>34092935
Allow me to go off on the accessories for a few pics

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>>34092940
And the bayonet put away

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>>34092945
It looks like FB designed this kit especially for the MSBS so it might come with the gun

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>>34092940
>>34092945
the bayonet look like a well made knife
but the mounting solution is beyond me

why don't they just use the AK bayonet

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>>34092957
Back to our scheduled programming

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>>34092963
the new Russian bayonet for comparetion

why did not they go with a design like this

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>>34092964
>>34092963
I do believe I read in an interview somewhere that for the bayonet they wanted to go with the new look of the rifle but still the functionality of the AK's bayonet, hence the case+bayonet=wire cutters combo

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>>34092977
Ambi-selectors on the bullpup lower
>>34092973
Personally I like how they did the bayonet, but I'll admit it does look a little cheap/flimsy

>>34092587
the bullet will hit the bayonet and send it flying away as the weapon is fired

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>>34092983
Lefties rejoice. From the looks of it those 2 nuts are loosened and that plate that covers the ejection port can go on either side

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>>34092983
>>34092977
a muzzle ring is really usefull,

i think they removed the muzzle ring to save some weight

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>>34092989
And the other side of the reciever, helping my hypothesis.
>>34092987
Yeah, unless they change that, we won't be affixing bayonets and continuing firing any time soon. The bayonets being mounted might be most commonly used during ceremonies, and if they need ceremoniously fire they would remove it. Had they done a mounting style such as >>34092973 I think it would've been a bit better

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the new grenade launcher for the MSBS

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>>34093001
As said in >>34092564 the gas is adjusted in that little clearing of the upper handguard on the bullpup model

Design-wise, it doesn't look very commie-state hospitable. How easy is it to separate the lower from the upper?
Does it use the typical takedown and pivot pin of the AR?
That way I can reasonably custom-order a commie-approved magazine release.

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>>34092987
nope
the muzzle device is bigger than the bullet diametter

left is the MSBS muzzle

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>>34093011
>>34093009
I can't tell if the launcher is a part of that handguard, and the whole thing is swapped or not.

Some small magazines FB Radom magazines for the MSBS. It'll still use AR mags I assume

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>>34093031
the lower handguard is part of the launcher

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>>34093031
Said magazine stripped down.
>>34093021
It looks like in >>34092519 the attachment hook of the bayonet goes a bit deeper than just the edge of the muzzle though, and in >>34092940 and >>34092995 it looks like that hook goes around the muzzle device and in the barrel. I'm not sure though, we may just have to wait for a liveleak of an anon shooting it with the bayonet on and the knife flying back towards him or not

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>>34093056
>>34093051
I'm a little dissapointed, but it does make sense. It's not like someone issued the launcher would be taking it off and putting it on randomly

I think this image is from testing, but I have no source on that

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>>34093077
Another possibly from testing

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>>34093083
It seems like the thing that changed most between models were the muzzle devices. Until the bayonet happened that is

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>>34093095
An slightly different model form 2014 shot show

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>>34093105
This 3d model looks like it's of the more current models. What I wouldn't give for that file.

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>>34093116
Nice comparison of a Remington ACR (top) and the bullpup and standard variations of the MSBS

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>>34093120
I take back >>34093056. You can clearly see the knife is cleared of the barrel like >>34093021 said

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>>34093134
This is clearly the MSBS being tested but it doesn't look as if a Pole is doing the testing. I assume it as an american youtuber that was invited to do so

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>>34093145
On second thought it might be a pole. Reverse search brought up this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o07BQ7xONO0

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>>34093150
A slightly older advertisement by FB Radom, discernible as an older model by the 3 hole upper handguard

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>>34093162
Now that's my kind of advertising, FB

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>>34093145
>>34093150
>interested in Poland gun
>don't know about Frag out

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>>34093175
I need to look for where I can buy this calendar

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>>34093182
I like the look of the extended handguard with a shorter/normal barrel
>>34093176
Lemme just buy a subscription and download all pdfs of older issues real quick

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>>34093198
Lastly a model on display with an interesting bipod, next to what I believe is the Radom Linia 15 pistol.
I need to consider getting a 4chan pass before next msbs dump time

>>34093214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaHN4E2q4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed2NQcuh52c
2 intersting videos if you are interested in the cleaning kit and assembly of the rifle

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>>34093175

Nnngggg those thiiiighs

>>34092859
Pretty sure that is mlok. And they went with it for the same reason they added ar15 grips. The aftermarket. The more accessories currently in production that will work for this gun the better chance it has of surviving in the commercial sector.

>>34092989
Still a huge fuckup on their end to not make it full time ambi. Maybe there will be an accessory you can screw on like the MDR thing that kicks the shells forward.

>>34092471

Are you suggesting that at 2x+/- the price of an AR, you are getting a weapon that is twice as good? At best, this thing my 10% better than a quality AR.

>>34092471
>$400 dollar AR
>with minimal maintanence and a good coat of oil, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger. Only has issues with cheap, shitty ammo
>$1500 wunderwaffe from some euro country trying to be different
>with minimal maintenece and a good coat of oil, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger. Only has issues with cheap, shitty ammo.
> .25 MOA difference in accuracy, favoring the AR
What ever you say, no guns.

>>34095398
>Adjustable gas block standard
>Piston driven
>Caliber swap/barrel swap capability standard
>Short throw selector standard
>Awesome stock standard
>Bullpup option

Already puts it above a budget shit AR.

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>>34092664
>>34095398
>>34095343
>fanboys who suddenly know how their PSAs must be just as good as the latest designs they've never touched

>>34095440
Oh and it's fucking ambi. Welcome to the 21st century, ARs are the new fudd gun at this point.

>>34095448
B-but I wanna validate my cheap gun purchase and I was too young to buy a quality AK when they were worth peanuts... p-please don't make me have to spend my non-existent money on a viable weapon platform.. I'm part of the tactical club guys... Look how unique my AR is!!!

>>34091331
I need one

>>34092715
They beat you to it

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/13/fabryka-broni-unveils-7-62x51-msbs/

>Dat dmr version

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Damn this thing is so sleek. This is the next evolution of the assault rifle. Who knew the Poles would be the ones to step up to the plate.

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>>34095448
Que?

>>34095476
>unique
I bought a basic bitch 16inch AR for four hundred buckerinos, tightened down the gas key screws because lolcheaplabor didn't torque them down, and now I have a functioning bang stick for 1/4th the cost of the new hotness. I'll spend the savings on ammo and have no regrets because I'm a right handed shooter and the OMG 90 degrees of travel on the fire select that's directly under my thumb doesn't bother me. If you want your fancy toy because it's fancy, that's fine. It has some nice creature comforts. Just don't pretend like it's going to instantly invalidate AR's because it does a couple minor things marginally better
>muh barrel swap caliber conversions!
Which are going to cost as much as a complete upper
>muh ambi!
Which is an available feature for AR's if you spend an extra 50 bucks
>muh piston!
Woopty doo, I'm sure you'll see the massive difference in longevity and drastically lower heat when you magdump 300 rounds on full auto.
Is it better? Sure. Is it 750 dollars worth of better? I personally don't thinso, I have other things to spend my money on besides 45 degrees of rotation on a fucking safety selector.

>isn't even out
>most likely won't be for at least couple of years
>alrady has fanboys defending it
This place sometimes feels like /v/.

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>>34092482
That looks way fuckin cooler than what we seem to be getting. Especially the bullpup, it looks like an A-91.

>>34092614
Every fucking thread...

Yes the gun IS called the "Radon"

YES IT IS

It is the MSBS Radon made by Radom. Yes I know that's confusing but look at their other guns.

The beryl (short for beryllium) and the tantal (short for tantalum.)

THE MOAR YOU KNOW

>>34096150
Okay so I did a tiny bit more research and their guns are more likely named after minerals as beryl and tantal are minerals.

Other guns FB Radom made include the Onyks (which is onyx in Polish) and the Glauberyt which is a mineral I have never heard of.

Weird that they would use an element instead of a mineral but I don't speak Polish so I can't exactly google this very effectively but my autism will likely force me to find proof.

>>34096150
You should have done mroe research.

The company making these guns is Fabryka Broni "Łucznik" - Radom, which loterally translates to Weapon Factory "Łucznik" - Radom. Radom is a polish city where the factory is located, and łucznik means archer.

The gun you mentioned is NOT called "Radon". It is not mentioned under that name anywhere officially by Fabryka Broni "Łucznik". Furthermore, they indeed have a naming theme of elements and minerals for their guns, however:
"Tantal" is polish for tantalum, not just short for tantalum
"Beryl" is polish for beryllium, not just short for beryllium
"Rad" is polish for radon

I understand the gun being named "Radon" makes some sense to an english speaker, but that is simply not the case. FB do not use shortened latin, they just use polish names for minerals and elements.

>>34095779
I bought a basic bitch Honda Civic for four thousand buckerinos, tightened down the gears because lolcheaplabor didn't torque them down, and now I have a functioning daily driver for 1/4th the cost of the new hotness. I'll spend the savings on gas and have no regrets because I'm a right footed driver and the OMG 90 rpm of travel on the gas pedal that's directly under my foot doesn't bother me. If you want your fancy Lamborghini because it's fancy, that's fine. It has some nice creature comforts. Just don't pretend like it's going to instantly invalidate Civic's because it does a couple minor things marginally better.

>>34096310
Actually I am right. This is from the Polish wikipedia page on the gun itself. Yes it's been Google translated I don't speak Polish.

>"In the spring of 2010. One of the Polish magazines shooting in cooperation with "Archer" organized a contest for the name of the new weapon. The winning name is Radon , and was rewarded with a trip originator of the FB "Archer".

Like I am not trying to be a dick it just dawned on me that American gun websites calling it the Radon might have been a mistake that people just ran with.

But I remembered reading something that explained in pretty good detail that is was Radon not Radom. I did this mostly because sometimes my OCD manifests as "if you don't find the answer to this question you are definitely undergoing the early stages of schizophrenia like your mother warned you about."

>>34096310
Rad=radium
Radon=radon

>>34096310
Rad is polish for "glad."

Radon in Polish is... Radon.

Welp today I learned that Radon is cognate in Polish and English. Oh, and that you are wrong.

Okay yeah "Rad" also means "Radium" I gotta stop relying on Google translate. I am done with this my adderall wore off and I can barely focus.

>>34098656
Well, i had radium and radon mixed up, my bad.

The gun is still "MSBS" for now, but the polish armed forces will probably adopt the winning "Radon" when the research project that MSBS actually is is finished.

The gun is called the "Modułowy System Broni Strzeleckiej kalibru 5,56 mm", or Modular Firearm System 5.56 mm calibre. Just like the ACR is the Adaptive Combat Rifle, or AR15 Arma-lite Rifle. Sometimes people use a manufacturer's name when name something to be more specific, this is just another case with that.

>>34092724
Honestly, it's weird but the stock is one of the things that sold me on it way back. It was one of the first things I saw about the rifle a couple years back, before even the bullpup conversion thing. It's apparently incredibly adjustable. It folds, it pulls out, and the cheek pad is adjustable in a way that goes up and down on like two axes. It does everything you could want a stock to do, it's like a nice looking version of the SCAR's classic boot.

Honestly, it's both sort of impressive and funny that they seem to have put so much into it, considering like the whole point of the rifle is that you can take it off and make it a bullpup.

>>34092787
>>34092792
>>34092793
>>34092809
>>34092824
Oh shit! I just realized this has a paddle on the traditional receiver. Alternate Euro-stile mag release, I suppose? Cool that it's even there, if that's what it is. Or is it the bolt release? It just occurred to me I don't know where that is, except maybe that lever on top on the left in >>34092809
otherwise.

>>34099565
I think that the paddles are the mag release, and the button seen in >>34092787, >>34092793 , >>34092809, >>34092824 is the bolt release. Since in the bullpup model, the button is in the same place >>34092977 even though it is nowhere near the mag. And there is clearly a button by the magwell in >>34093001 and >>34092989.

>>34099565
>>34099627
>>34092809
It could also just be a manual bolt release, as you can see the lever you mentioned is the charging handle, and it has a notch where it appears to lock back and down.

>>34099518
It pisses me off because I'm a huge bullpup fanboy but that stock is awesome. Now I have to decide between an awesome stock and shorter overall length... Hopefully there's a way to transition between the two.

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>>34099627
>>34099641
Oh holy shit, I missed the magwell button. So you get a classic release and the normal bullpup-style pull. And if the lever pulls out like that and is common with both models, that makes sense and is doubly cool.

This thing keeps surprising me and I've been wanting it over a year now. Sick.

>>34099670
Well, hopefully they come as a kit, and they seem simple enough to transfer. They have pretty short barrels, maybe have an NFA issue though.

Honestly, I wonder if that's part of the delay or something, them figuring out NFA stuff for an American version. It seems like since the upper is the common piece with different furniture, it should be the serialized part. I hope they do something like that so the lowers are modular swaps without problems, sort of like the P320 is.

This sort of feels like a marketing thread, all considered, but if it is it's good marketing. Thanks for all the pictures, man.

Here's one I had that's a combo comparing both sets of rifles.

Every neat rifle for the past 10 years, Radom included;
>2008: We are looking to begin commercial sales of this rifle in the US within the next two to three years.
>2010: ???
>2014: ???
>2017: ???

The only reason I am buying an M10X soon is because it's the only new non-AR to actually hit fucking shelves and if it wasn't as cool and as relatively inexpensive as it is I'd be a lot more mad about it.

>>34095779
You bought a basic bitch poorfag rifle made of dogshit. Stop pretending it is anything but. You don't see WASR owners pretending they're as good as Arsenals, learn your place.

>>34099627
why is the bolt release fenced though?

As a Pole I think MSBS would be extremely mediocre. It weighs fucking 3.7kg unloaded and w/o sights, from initial reports I heard that rifle doesn't handle as good as AR15 and probably would cost around 2500$. But it was expected when you reverse engineer a rifle designed in basement of ar15 accessories company. In every area AR is better rifle.

>>34095729
Timestamp, tripfag

>>34099969
Polish Proofs?

>>34100774
>Being this new
Besides, I'm at work.

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>>34092437

>>34101416
It's a qt.

Everytime I see a bullpup I just wonder the following.

#1. How's the trigger
#2. How's the mag manipulation wearing kit
#3. Can you change the side of ejection w/o tools
#4. Can you address malfunctions

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>>34091331

Bushmaster failed
Remington failed

Who's ready to jump off the cliff this time for this crap design.