combat knife holster

5 o'clock on your belt order like a normal person.

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>>34089649
On your belt next to where your dominant hand hangs. Pretty much everything else is for LARPing, and I say this as someone who's tried just about every method of blade carry that you can think of.

>>34089675
I've seen the upside down carry a lot. Is this just a complete meme?
What kind of carry do SF use?

>>34089683
>Is this just a complete meme?
Yep, your knife will fall out from walking and is in a great place for a hypothetical baddie to grab it and stick it in your neck
>What kind of carry do SF use?
They (sas at least) used to use the upside chest carry, but that was a specific type (RAF pilot knife) that was held in by a pin under tension, and that was 30 years ago.

>>34089713
Is the knife on lower back like in OP feasible at all?

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Nobody uses a combat knife frequently outside videogames.
>most wankers put it upsidedown on their shoulder so they can speeddraw it
Forgetting that they then cant change shoulders with their rifle, and they cant speedraw it with their hands full of rifle.
Then they wake up and put it on their belt until they get a multitool or a pocket folder.
>tfw no neckstabbing IRL

>>34089727
Nope.
The frame of your ruck will try to use it to sever your lower spine.

>>34089683
I asked a lot of militaryfags about this in college and the only people who had ever seen this done were rangers who also said that the person doing it was a giant sperg.

>What kind of carry do SF use?

I'd imagine it varies depending on the person but I've never seen people take scout carry seriously and the only things that make boot carry worthwhile are a need for concealment over accessibility (I did this in high school but moved my knife to my pocket the minute I got on the bus) or the lack of a belt on whatever you're wearing.

>Where is the best spot for a combat knife holster if you know you will use it frequently.
>if you know you will use it frequently.
Probably somewhere after your magazines for your main arm, magazines for your backup, and after your radio pouch to request assistance because if you're getting into the point of drawing a knife you're probably fucked.
Unless you got 3 of them and called in the UAV OP. I always run hardline so it only takes 2.

This movie was supposed to be semi-realistic and featured lower back carry. Thoughts?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0269347/

Note that the guy does not wear a ruck or even a main firearm most of the time.

>>34089727
>fall backwards in a serious situation to avoid anything like a car, bullets or some bitch trying to pepperspray you
>instantly have the wind knocked out of you from handing on a solid piece of metal in the small of your back
Gee...

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centerline of body, front. Tucked behind MOLLE. Most of us use the SOCP dagger because it's what we're trained on.

Pic related: front guy, front slightly leftish on his PC. Usually have mine tucked behind mags with just ring exposed.

>>34089756
....You want us to watch an entire movie to determine if hollywood made some shit up?
What the fuck man.

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>>34089762

>>34089767
>not already having watched the hunted
newfags out

>>34089769
yeah congresswoman (former A10) pilot joined us for the exercise. Good times.

>>34089756
>An FBI deepwoods tracker hunts an assasin...
Based on real life
>An FBI guy wearing a cheap suit sitting at his desk and holding a coffee cup...

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>>34089675
>next to where your dominant hand hangs.

This.

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>>34089762
That's total bullshit. When was the last time danish 'sf' were in need of a knife besides paratrooping with a bootknife.

>look where this group that never uses their knives puts their knives

Any normal sane person who expects to use a knife in a fight will put it in the same place they would put their sidearm or last line of defense. Some other anon was right, 5-4 oclock on whichever hand side you are.

unless you're a sihk.

>>34089795

alright cool man good talk. Let me know how it goes. Just telling you what we're trained to do. Training in SOCP is pretty uniform across SOCOM.

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>>34089780
https://www.defense.gov/Photos/Essay-View/CollectionId/16525/
So....... Do you have any kind of proof.

Pic related is me on the ground awaiting recovery and extraction.

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>>34089802
Jesus fucking christ lmao they don't tell you how to set your kit what the fuck are you even trying to say

>>34089802
>SOCP SOCOM
Oh wow this is embarrassing..

>>34089807
lol, exerise was at angel thunder. I have pics of myself but not going to post them.

>>34089813
I'm pointing out that we're taught to place our SOCP dagger centerline on the body, so that it can be easily reached with both hands.

>>34089826
No please post those pictures I'd love to see them. Tell me more about how your group had no use for a knife on a photoshoot or any actual combat related instance; but still are 'taught' where to put your knife.
Who the fuck taught you that.

>>34089878
How do we have no use for a knife? The photoshoot was during an exercise. You wear your kit on an exercise. A small dagger in close hand to hand struggles is neccesary. As far as who taught us? Greg Thompson and other 3rd Group SOCP Instructors.

>>34089929
You fell for a meme good work. Tell me what you used your knife for during that photo-op. Where do you put your magazines radio and other gear if your knife is center. Are you fucking kidding me. You got advise from some dude who has never been in combat you're just too stupid to realize how fucked you're making yourself because 'what if i need to knife fight someone' when you have a fucking gun in your hands. Spear/club beats knife every day of the week.

>>34089929
>How do we have no use for a knife?
thats obviously not what the post was saying but uhmmm

>>34090099
Knife was on my kit, not going to remove shit for an exercise. On the Crye JPC there is a pouch where you can put your mags that is built in. I use a 3 magazine placard up front which leaves the pouch open behind them, this is where the SOCP dagger goes. As far as getting advice from someone who has never seen combat. 3rd group guys have seen their fair share. Guns are always the goto, but if someone tangles you up in cqb, the knife works to create space to get back on your gun.

>>34090154
so were you taught to put your knife there? or is there where you put your knife because you knew it wasnt a real situation.
>this guy who joined 3rd way after they were actually active is telling me what to do
>better listen even though he very well could be a moron

So which one is it anon. Did you put the knife there because you didnt have your actual kit? Or because you knew it was fake so you just put it center because you werent carrying your actual kit.

>. Guns are always the goto, but if someone tangles you up in cqb, the knife works to create space to get back on your gun.
Do you know how retarded you sound. I am fucking done with this conversation. God forbid you actually are in some of these training because if this is what special forces are getting I can only imagine how fucktarded the whole chain is. Christ this had better be a joke.

>>34090178
Nope, was my actual kit. Alright brother, good talking with you. What's your experience in knife fighting / cqb? Doesn't really matter I suppose. Either of us could lie to make ourselves seem more legitimate.

>>34090178
Well anon; being in cqb and saying
>i draw my knife and repel an attacker
Isn't much different than saying;
>I kick their groin and shoot
The only difference being that you have a knife on your chest and this magical belief that you'll have time to draw it before your attacker (who apparently attacked you unarmed) has time to strangle you to death. Completely omitting that you might have team members or a gun in your hand to shoot them with.

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>>34090190
I've worked with the CMP taken courses at solitions and had a few stays at the thunder ranch along with being in every east coast carbine course since 2006. Big fan of the apple seed program but it's good to know that there are still some con artists out there making people look like fucking morons.

>no that was my actual kit
>but that's not where we're taught to put our knife
>but that's where we're taught to put our knife
>but that's not my kit
>i dont usually put my knife there but that's where we're taught to put our knife
>taught to put our knife
which one is it anon.

Im being 100% serious if this is what you're taught you need to seek different schooling.

>>34090204
>I draw my knife to repel an attacker
Not quite what I said, I said tangled up. IE, they take you to the ground.

>who apparently attacked you unarmed
Or with a bat. You'd be surprised what people will do.

>you might have team members or a gun in your hand to shoot them with.
That's what we train for. It's all situational.

>>34090233
okay that post was entirely over your head. thats okay though.

>>34090233
So badguy tackles you and some how doesn't think 'hey there is a knife between us right now I could probably get because it's fucking dead center sitting right there'?...
Do you have one of those magnetic rings that makes it so only you can make the knife lethal?...

>>34090221
Perhaps I'm being unclear. One last time. Photo was not of me. Was of a colleague. Used it as a reference on general front and center knife placement we're taught and that most of us use. I was on that exercise but not at that location.

What's wrong with having the knife center-line on your body? I'm serious as well. It's worked in many situations.

>>34090244
No I understood. I'm trying to point out a couple things that we do. I'm not going to get into every different scenario and what we're taught to do, but in most cases knife in front and center works very well.

>>34090277
It's a small ring that pokes out. Unless they are familiar with the SOCP dagger I doubt they'll know what it is, as it's next to trauma shears and other items with similar handles. Again, this stuff is all tucked behind magazine pouches.

>>34090288
>it's worked in many non-combat situations
>which is what the thread is about
Fuck me. It's over. You are being improperly trained by people who have no actual experience. I wouldn't ask a pistol instructor to teach me about krav maga, and neither should you or the company you work for.

>>34090306
But it's worked in combat situations. OP asked about combat knife sheath placement. Just added what's taught currently in SOCP.

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>>34090288
>It's a small ring that pokes out. Unless they are familiar with the SOCP dagger
>it's a knife, so unless they know what a knife looks like im safe
wew lad
you fell for the meme hard.

>>34089683

Push Dagger, upside down on the left shoulder (right-handed). Fighting knife (spartan ares) 6 o' clock on battle-belt facing to the left. Gives two weapons per hand (dagger/knife for left, dagger/pistol for right) in-case of getting into a scuffle (Grabbed in CQB, jumped by surprise when around civilians)

>>34090317
Show me. Show me where it has worked. Fuck sake, show me the last time cqb knife fighting was even a thing involving a special operations unit let alone socp. It's a fucking meme.

>>34090333

Also, >>34089729 push dagger doesn't get in the way of switching shoulders. Switching shoulders is a meme for the most part and really only comes into play when using cover.

>>34090317
>taught by people who have never used knives
>about how to use knives
lad....

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>>34090358
>Switching shoulders is a meme for the most part and really only comes into play when using cover.
Fucking what holy shit what the fuck oh my god what the fuck what

>>34090328
this is what sticks out. Look just like the loop on the handles of my trauma shears.

>>34090337
In CQB? Quite a bit man. I'm not going to pull up after action reports but they are used.

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>>34090374
pic attached, my bad.

>>34090360
They have used them. I'm confused as to where you are going. You keep trying to say these guys have never used knives in combat, but they have.

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Carry your combat phallus in the proper position, guys.
This goes doubly for girls and traps.

>>34090389
When since vietnam. When has the 3rd been in cbq resulting in hand to hand. What do they know about hand to hand to be training others.

>>34090427
Room to room fighting? Going into buildings while clearing compounds? Lots of opportunity.

>>34090446
Room to room and cbq is not hand to hand you fucking faggot. Tell me when the last time someone in the 3rd, since theyre the ones training you, was involved in a knife fight that wasn't just them trying to cut into a tent to steal another companies fucking shoelaces.

Ever heard the phrase 'the blind leading the blind' before?

>>34090369

Show me how you've maintained the same accuracy and speed on your off-hand shoulder while maneuvering through a CQB environment. There are other techniques for shooting to your offhand side (including not switching hands but still moving your rifle to your off-hand shoulder). Without effectively becoming left-handed, the benefits of off-hand shooting don't outweigh the negative effects, except in barrier use

>>34090461
But if often leads to hand to hand. Calm down brother, you sound like you're losing your mind over there.

Room to room in Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq has led to hand to hand combat as recently as a year ago.

jesus christ.

>>34089785
>>34089767
Tl;dr: Tommy Lee Jones spent most of his adult life training Agency assassins to stalk/evade/kill with a specific knife geometry and fighting style, and is dragged from retirement when one of his former pupils goes psychotic from PTSD and is killing people in the U.S. and Tommy is the only dude bad enough to hunt him down.

The movie was meh, but the psychotic guy rough forges a new knife from a leaf spring near the end of the movie while Tommy makes his own knife from flint to fight him.

>>34090560
Holy shit that sounds just as bullshit as the entire last hour of discussion in this thread, Thanks anon.

>>34089727
Yes. I can't speak for "Operator" purposes but I find scout carry (the correct name for carrying a knife horizontally at the small of your back) really conventient for my job as a USFS wilderness ranger, as it sits flat, is out of the way, and doesn't flop around the way a lot of belt knives will.

>>34089735
>>34089759
Ignore these spergs. I've literally hiked thousand of miles with a 45lb backpack and a knife scout-carried with 0 issues.

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>>34090525
Yes my son?

>>34089762
+1 for forward of hips, accessible with either hand

>>34090614
upvoted

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>>34090614
>admits to never having to use their knife besides cutting molle straps in their dorm
>says 'dont listen to these people who have actual experience'

Jesus fuck you dont care about weighted items flapping around but as soon as your knife has any mobility to it on your belt it's the end the world
Way to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>34090636
Yeah I would go ahead and research what a wilderness ranger does my man. I'm an LEO that spends my time in the wilderness with no logistical support living out of a backpack for weeks at a time.

I guarantee I use my knife more than almost everybody in the military.

>>34090762
holy shit if you didn't understand how that's different than someone in combat I can't even begin to explain how fucking stupid you just made yourself look.

>>34090762
No doubt you use your knife more brother. But the original comment was one combat knife placement.

>>34090785
>>34090810
I like the whole goofus and gallant thing that's going on here.

Not part of this conversation

>>34090785
>>34090810
Considering combat knives aren't actually a thing in a modern combat context and knives are almost exclusively utility tools I'd say that input is pretty relevent.

Assuming you aren't carrying other shit at 0600 there's absolutely no reason to not scout carry your knife. Again, retention and comfort are the main reasons but it's also the most natural angle to pull a knife from a sheath in terms of your hand and wrist angle. A ruck won't interfere with it (again I am speaking from experience here), and it's completely out of the way should you not need it while also being easy to draw quickly and naturally should you need it.

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>>34090863
>in a thread about combat knives and their positioning
>'combat knives and nothing ive been talking about is relevant; now let me tell you about my utility knife placement'

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>>34090827
it's like watching the /k/ special olympics

>>34089825
You are aware that Special Operator Combative Program (SOC-P) is a harder version of unarmed combat taught to SOCOM and that the SOCP knife made by Benchmade was tailor made for the program by one of the lead instructors.

>>34091030
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that he does not know.

>>34091030
>>34091067
LMAO holy shit

>>34089675
This, but for concealment, I like to use a mercharness. I also keep one chest mounted on my plate carrier, woven into the loops on an HSGI Taco mag pouch. It sticks out no higher than the mag, and doesn't move.

>>34091067
doesnt know what?

Knife combat is so rare that its slightly ridiculous to demand only veterans of knife combat be allowed to teach the principles and techniques.

>>34089649
at 12 oclock. infront of your body. right above your dick.
slightly angled to 45° do either side.

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>>34091171
They're trying to make a statement that unless you've received training from some people who don't specialize in cqb you don't know what you're talking about. Kind of redundant I know but i'll let them fantasize.

>>34091234
thats retarded

>>34091242
Whats even more retarded is that they base their advice and opinion of groups or individuals who havent trained or specialized in grappling or hand to hand.

It's almost like someone went 'train us pls' and someone else out of nowhere said 'ill do it for money' without any kind of background.

>>34090614
And how do you draw your 'combat' knife when a dead branch jumps out at you and needs to be turned into kindling pointblank while you're still carrying your 'combat' pack, Smokey?

>>34091284
You won't get a response. I've been telling these morons how retarded it is but they simply do not listen being 'someone told them to'.
Brought up that your kit was specialized but apparently that doesn't matter because operators always ahve their shit in the same way. I've been calling them retarded and checking in for the last few hours and all i've gotten is 'lmao that's how we're trained' because they're completely incapable of thinking for themselves or even going 'oh hey wait these guys dont have any cqb or hand to hand training, why are they even teaching us??'

It's like telling a wall how flat it is.

>>34091325
Our instructors have lots and lots of CQB and hand to hand training and experience.

>>34091325
also I never said all operators have their stuff the same way. I simply stated many of us have the socp dagger centerline on our bodies.

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>>34091341
yeah like fucking greg thompson and kwast? lmao
Just hand in your fucking JROTC shit now it's over.
Tell me more about people whose only combatants are dummies lmao

>>34091376
3rd group instructors. Active duty operators. I've already stated this information.

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>>34091365
LMAO why did it take you 5 hours to mention this when it was the focus of discussion for half the posts in this thread!
WHAT!

>>34091395
Well, because I never stated our gear is all setup the same, I didn't realize I have to state it that it wasn't setup the same. What else do you need me to state for you?

>>34090762
I would be willing to bet that a USAF SERE instructor might use their knife more than you. If only I knew a SERE dude who could come onto 4chan...

>>34091392
> Active duty operators.
Is that what they told you. Tell me more about their expansive field experience.

I can guarantee you that any anon who is hasguns that shoots more than 300 rounds a week is going to have more knowledge about gunfighting than your shitty 'active' personnel.
Jesus christ do you even hear yourself.

>>34091418
And now we're back to talking about fucking bootknives holy shit

>>34090461
InB4 MRE spoon

>>34091432
And now we're into trolling terrirtory. Great talking with you. Take care.

>>34091435
Fucking please the tobasco they dont even issue anymore was more deadly.

>>34091438
>someone says something i dont agree with
>fucking troll
you're mentally disabled and in a total realm of brainwashing you cant understand it when someone questions it. Fucking cmon.

>these guys who have never been in a hand to hand fight are telling me what to do
>i should agree without a doubt or any kind of sparring
Wewlad.

>>34091418
Notice how I said
>ALMOST everybody

>>34091454
But they have been in hand to hand combat. Our methods are proven to work. Further their extensive field experience is spread out over 10 combat deployments. They know their stuff.

Much more so than most that you can get training from currently.

>>34091466
Anon you're missing the point where they think they have beter training than you who personally knows and utilizes their edged weapons and utilities. There is no point in arguing, it turns out even 'special forces' are fucking mall ninja tier wannabe trash.

I worked for two years as a park ranger in my state just helping out and can attest but apparently if you weren't trained in hand to hand by someone who has never experienced hand to hand, they dont want to hear it.

>>34091482
Just because you say they've never been in hand to hand doesn't make it true. You're not even listening to counter points. Your simply spouting talking points that are made up

>>34091471
source me. Literally anything. Show me a single point of them in hand to hand that wasn't a procession of escorting someone from their property.

>hur i've got special training from someone who has never been in hand to hand
>but they run a class so they must be experienced
>surely they know what they're talking about
>anon said as he signed up for the vipers security training regiment

get fucked man just because a group specializes around another group doesnt mean they know anything about what theyre trying to talk about.

>>34091492
SOURCE ME
literally give me any credit of proof besides
>theyre operators so they know
>even though every one of their engagements happens from 1000m and ends in CAS
>let me tell you about this one time where for five minutes they had to do grunt work clearing houses
fucking faggot.

>>34091500
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/16/u-s-troops-fought-hand-to-hand-in-syria-raid

There's one instance of hand to hand. And that one is easily found in mainstream media. There are plenty more. These guys know what they are doing.

>>34091509
Oh shit i had no idea that's who we were talking about
Oh wait it isnt. Nice fucking link retard try to keep up.


Also if that doesn't go to fucking show you how pants on head retard you are having looked that up and it being the single time in the last 12 years for it to happen, i do not know what to tell you.

>>34091509
Too bad the last couple engagements resulting in hand to hand have been brute fists and rifle butts.
http://taskandpurpose.com/5-harrowing-stories-hand-hand-combat-iraq-afghanistan/
And you can bet your sweating marrow their knives weren't 'prepped and readied' you fucking moron.

>>34091529
It is, I'm not sure if you realize who specifically goes on those raids besides just "delta" and also who comes and teaches with 3rd group and Greg Thompson at SOCP refreshers.

It also isn't the last single time in "12 years". Listen man, you sound like you're losing you goddamn mind over this. You have no practical experience in this stuff. You're pissed because our way clearly differs from what you believe. It doesn't matter man, there are multiple ways to approach hand to hand.

>>34091543
ah, those are only a couple of the many many accounts. That's some good hand to hand shit right there. As I stated
>>34091557
there are many ways to approach hand to hand. Also most of those guys, (skimmed the article) are grunts it looks like. They get some good training but different from what we get.

>>34091557
>You have no practical experience in this stuff.
where's yours. Look I've been in checking this thread since it started making fun of you morons who think you're getting some kind of education in hand to hand.
I'm not even sure if I'm talking to the same person but I can sure as fuck guarantee that greg thompson and his fucking group of trainers at SOCP are just there to sell a product and get funding. You're fucking retarded. This conversation is retarded. I don't know why you're fanboying so hard but it's pretty clear thisisn't going to end. Enjoy your laxadaisical training.

>>34091585
On a deployment, guy bum rushed me. I pulled a knife and put it into his neck. I doubt you'll believe me. No doubt Greg Thompson is selling a product, however the other instructors (active duty guys with multiple deployments and experience stabbing people) have good knowledge to back it up. If I get training that's better I'll move to that. I'm not married to SOCP.

>>34091603
I'm not doubting you sacred anon, I'm just saying what the fuck does your center knife placement have to do with this. Where was your team to cover you. Where was your battle buddy. Were you alone clearing this room while getting rushed? are you a fucking retard that cant rear their rifle into an attackers throat?

>. I'm not married to SOCP.
We literally have been arguing for hours about this for you just now to say 'okay maybe theyre not 100% right all the time'

Do you understand how this can be frustrating? you fucking mongoloid?

>>34091634
They were with me, sometimes shit gets crazy when you're rolling around. I got control of him really quick.

>married to socp
I've not been arguing saying SOCP is correct. You've been claiming that SOCP instructors have no hand to hand experience which I've been refuting. There is a difference.

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>>34091648
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I'm done. This conversation is done. How delusional can you be.

>>34091668
Bye.

>>34091679
Sassy. Good to know you guys have the basic training of hispanics in california by age 12...
Tell us more about how you're trained to put your knife at 12 center.

Wait is there any proof in any of this thread about anyone heres accomplishments besides the one anon who admitted to being in the cmp and stuff?

>>34091719
There's no proof of anything in this thread due to the simple fact that after action reports and the various other associated forms of paperwork processed by the military aren't easily available to civilians.

there's a good chance this thread actually did have a wilderness ranger and perhaps a member of soc-p commenting, but at this point one may as well post the "spec op" pasta and call the thread done.

also, while not being any previous poster in this thread I'll simply state that the 12' o-clock carry position (and also the region close to that) is actually useful for carry due to a few simple reasons.
1) the knife can be quickly and often discreetly drawn without drawing attention to oneself. this is especially true when a subject is within two feet or less (usually interrogation or intimidation range).
2) this position also keeps the knife in a region that one is most prepared to defend. that box directly in front of the body is literally prime fighting range for a lot of techniques.

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>>34091395
>Fal double drum mag
Anon. this is a blue board.

Not for TACTICOOL reasons, but I carried mine behind my right pocket attached behind my second belt loop. That way, it didn't get in the way of my pockets or get in the way of sitting down, but it was easily accessed from both hands.

>>34089795
>When was the last time danish 'sf' were in need of a knife besides...
For all of the time the aren't actively shooting someone.they vast majority of the use a combat knife will see is outside of combat. Just like combat boot and the troops who wear them. But "utility knife" and "hiking boots" dont really have that ring

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>I did a bunch of shit that doesn't involve the use of a knife
>therefore I know all about knives and why they're useless