SADF Thread

Cape Independance when?

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Also if anyone has pics share em, my SADF folder needs more.

>>34082499
Can you explain? I've heard talk of that on /k/ before. I confess a bit of a limited understanding of immediate SA politics other than Zuma being an incompetent buffoon.
>>34082502
Also thread theme.
https://youtu.be/eke3l8Tmqdc

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>>34082546

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Some SADF Buffels, built to provide more effective protection against landmines.

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Moar Buffel. Also note the R5 rifles, based heavily off the Galil with differences being that the stock and mags are made out of polymer. These replaced the R1 (SA made FAL) in standard service.

I really wish i could have joined those magnificent bastards

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Joint SA and Portuguese patrol, either in Angola or Mozambique back when the Portuguese were still active in their own bush wars.

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And here's a joint Rhodie-Saffer op. Unfortunately these guys died shortly after this pic was taken when their chopper was hit by an SA-7 over Mozambique. Relations between Rhodesia and SA were usually good, however they were often strained and by the end of the 1970's the Saffers cut most of their support due to a number of reasons. Also didn't help that for some reason Ian Smith's ambassador to SA didn't get along at all with his SA counterpart.

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On the subject of SADF choppers, in a similar fashion to Rhodesia SA made liberal use of the Alouette III in a number of roles. Very often they'd fly recon flights over large sections of Namibia/Angola, and very often these little choppers would get into hot contact with FAPLA (Military arm of the MPLA) or PLAN (military arm of SWAPO). It speaks volumes of their skill that many SA chopper pilots would manage to extricate themselves from clouds of ground fire and the occasional Strela missile. Some of these guys would go on to join Executive Outcomes as pilots years later.

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More Alouette action.

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Alongside the Alouette, the Puma served as a workhorse chopper for the SADF and continues to serve this function in the current SANDF, though they are being surpassed in this role by the upgraded Atlas Oryx.

Anyone got 32 Batt.? Know a guy who did EOD in 32 during the war

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>>34082805
I'll pull out what I have. Recently ordered a book on 32 Batt, can't wait for it to come in.

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Parabat exfil

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If one is wondering about the black soldiers in 32 battalion, many of these guys were former FNLA combatants or had formerly been in the Portuguese colonial military. Hounded by the MPLA, many went south to join the SADF and continue the fight. A lot of these guys would find employment after the Border War in Executive Outcomes.

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32 Battalion on parade. If the shape of South Africa appears to be off, it's because Namibia was considered part of SA at the time after taking it from Imperial Germany following WW1

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More 32 Batt on parade. Having a lot of Portuguese speaking Africans helped when on ops in Angola, where much of the population still spoke Portuguese

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This pic is a bit interesting. This is Ken Gaudet, a member of 32nd Battalion who is American. He joined the RLI during the Rhodesian Bush War and after that ended he went to SA and joined 32 Batt. Interestingly enough, he's seen here wearing what appears to be Rhodie camo, with an SA R4 rifle.

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That's about all I had of 32 Battalion. Also going to include some of 101 Batt since they were also a quick reaction unit. This unit was comprised mainly of the Owambo tribe since they operated in the same geographical area that the tribe occupies. They saw quite a bit of action against PLAN and FAPLA.

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More 101 Batt

>>34082521

fuck its been years since I heard that song. first heard it in some army chatroom when I was looking at enlisting back in 09

>>34083241
You a saffer? Also how was that song received back when it came out?
>>34083170
Some 31 Battalion just for the hell of it. 31 Battalion was similar to 32 and 101 Batts, except they recruited primarily from the San (bushmen) people.

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>>34083418
Fuck, forgot the pic.

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Some Bushmen utilized as trackers by the SADF. Some of these guys would also serve in the Koevoet special police force.

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Also including two artistic renditions of 32 Batt operators.

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Also including Colonel Jan Breytenbach, founder of 32nd Battalion. Never afraid to lead from the front, I believe this pic was taken after an Angolan airstrike on a 32 Battalion column. By all accounts a solid commander.

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Have to drop this for a bit. Will be back in an hour or so. Starting intermission with an artistic rendition of an SADF mechanized element in contact, the vehicles are Ratels.

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>>34082486
32 Battalions patches are /fa/ af.
>Tfw you are from Bongland and will never have insignia as good as this.

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Back with some random stuff for now.

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It appears that the older R4s were much more similar to Galils.

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Saffer with a doggo.

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Also found another pic for 32 Batt.

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While the title of this pic does say Cassinga, I'm not sure if it was taken before, during, or after the raid.
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Notice at this point the SADF had not transitioned to the Kevlar M87 helmet and was still using the M63 Staaldak

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One of the three SADF KIA at Cassinga.

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Wounded Parabats (SA paratroopers). Unsure if this was taken at Cassinga.

any boers here? give me all info links you can about the battle at CAR

>>34084295
http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1493841

>>34083628
>Dat Echo Co. Insignia.
Goddamn.

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>>34082486
They're screwed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYW-E528_E

>>34082499
Hopefully fucking soon, my entire family now lives in and around Cape Town and hopefully I'll join them once I'm done studying

>>34082633
The R4 series is essentially license made Galil ARs

>>34084295
http://maroelamedia.co.za/nuus/sa-soldate-dood-gewond-in-geweld-in-sar/

>>34082486
god damn white people are aesthetic

>>34083072
Dude has that rugged wily look to him. Like old American civil war soldiers

>>34084314
>http://maroelamedia.co.za/nuus/sa-soldate-dood-gewond-in-geweld-in-sar/
>>34084749
any movies about it yet in S.AFrica?

I'm still waiting on that french paratrooper movie where they went into a shitfest battle in the taliban with only 5 mags.

>>34082863
Mobility Conquers?

I had a friend, Robbie, who served as a paratrooper medic. He came out with probably PTSD before it was diagnosable I suppose. Three stories I remember him telling me although he only talked about any of it when he was shitfaced. His predominant area of operations was with the SADF against SWAPO up on the northern Namibian border and into Angola along the Caprivi Strip.

1). They were taught to catch and eat rats when on manoeuvres. Stealth was everything in the bush. I cant remember specifics but he told me that as far as their COs were concerned, once you were in the bush, you were on your own and too bad if you got caught or killed.

2). He was on a gunship during curfew along the Windhoek road one night that opened fire on a car suspected to be carrying combatants. Turned out it wasn't and they were civilians so they hauled survivors into the helicopter but his CO told him not to treat a pregnant woman and she died.

3). In Angola itself, he was attached to a Koevoet battalion for a time and they used to attach dead bodies of fraternising civilians to the front of their armoured vehicles and use it as an intimidation tactic when moving through villages.

So yeah, they were impressive but pretty fucking ruthless and South African soldiers suffered a lot for it.

I've got my dads old SA uniform from his conscription service. He was in the second to last compulsory intake so they were never asked to hand all of their stuff in afterwards.

They would dig dunny holes for thir toilets. One time he and a mate snuck up on another guy while he was dropping a turd and stuck a shovel underneath his ass to catch his shit. The guy freaked out wondering where it went when he looked down.

>>34083072
This guy server under CSM Dennis Croukamp, a legendary Rhodesian Selous Scout who wrote a fantastic memoir on his service in Rhodesia

>>34083072
he looks like my old neighbor that lives up in the hills with no lights, and a gravity fed spring around back of his cabin.

he makes some righteous as fuck moonshine.

>>34088923
He's in Croukamp's book? I have that, will have to re-read it
>>34088332
Interesting stuff. Not sure about the first two points, but the third one was well recorded. Koevoet would not fuck around and I believe they got bonuses for more kills.

>>34089280
I don't remember if he's mentioned in it but I've read about the guy before and he talks about how everything he knew about bush wars he learned from Croukamp and that Croukamp was the greatest leader he ever knew and legitimately cared for all the men under him

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>>34089280
You're not sure about the first two points, why? These are accounts I was told and the ones I remembered best. He showed me photos of the last one. He kept an album of photos of dead bodies because I guess that helped him. The story I remember most was the woman in the helicopter. Pregnant, innocent civilian but he still wasn't allowed to treat her because that's how bitter feelings were. This is all around the late 80s, early 90s; sometime after the second state of emergency when things were just manic. I was there, I didn't serve but I saw it all and this is the guy I most remember that encapsulates for me the sheer brutality of the time. I'm pleased our guys have finally got recognition but I can assure you, as a South African alive at the time and who lived through all of this, I'm glad it's fucking over, believe me. You talk like this is glamorous but these were young boys who were conscripted and like Robbie, they were good kids, largely terrified, pitted against the most ruthless of enemies and they never got the help they deserved. Still, like I say, I'm glad they finally got recognition, even if it is on some gook image board.

>>34082673
>however they were often strained and by the end of the 1970's the Saffers cut most of their support due to a number of reasons. Also didn't help that for some reason Ian Smith's ambassador to SA didn't get along at all with his SA counterpart.

It ran a lot deeper than that. Rhodesian and South Africans were close out of necessity and once the benefit ran out, South Africa cut them loose. There was a lot, and I do mean a lot, of bad blood between the English and Afrikaners in Southern Africa (especially in Anogla, at times) and it spread to wherever they were working.

It didn't help that most of the SADF ground troops were Afrikaner, with the English South Africans preferring the Navy and Air Force. Rhodesians viewed the SADF ground force as basically an Afrikaner rabble and viewed their own efforts as being more nuanced, with a better ethos and a prouder history.

Hard times, and some very sad stories.

>>34091458
This is mostly true but South Africans were conscripted so English-speaking went wherever they were told to go and were best suited. It is most definitely true that Afrikaaners couldn't give a fuck about 'when we's', that's for sure.

>>34087693
>>34087717
>>34087745
Pure sex

>>34082607
I worked with an old Saffa who fought in the border wars, he said he fell out of the back of one of these (or similar), broke his leg

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Does anyone know where I can get an SADF bush hat? NE is out of stock in my size and it's hard to search for them without digging through thousands of generic boonies

>>34091528
I was under the impression, mainly due to a radar tech I knew who had been in the Saffer Navy, that 2/3 of the Army was Afrikaner speaking and about 90 percent of the Navy and AF were English and it was down to tradition, location and aptitude (lots of English owned boats and could afford private flying lessons prior to training)

He didn't dislike the Afrikaners, he was as proud of a South African as any, but he stressed that they were about as separate as you could be while remaining on the same side.

>>34091686
Just get a modern one. Something made for conscripts in the twentieth century in a third world country is not going to be as good as something sold in a camping shop.

>>34091694
Nah, you're likely right but I was there at the time and conscription usually meant that they went where they were told. What could have happened is that English-speaking were put into more tech-orientated areas as they were largely reluctant to defend and had richer backgrounds which meant they were more likely to push their weight around. This is entirely anecdotal though and I don't actually know other than you were conscripted and then had to go through six months "basic" as they called it. After that, I guess they put you where you were best needed.

And yeah, that's true - English-speaking and Afrikaaners don't like each other at all. I'm rare amongst English-speaking South Africans in that I really like them. Usually, they're looked down on but when it comes to anything to do with African survival, trust me: you only want an Afrikaaner on your side.

>>34091686
https://www.southafricanmilitarysurplus.co.za/shop/new-nutria-clothing/bush-hat-new-2/

Search for "veld hat" in future. You should also get 'velskoen' - bush boots.

>>34091740
>What could have happened is that English-speaking were put into more tech-orientated areas as they were largely reluctant to defend

I wouldn't call it that. I'd accept that they were reluctant to be told what to do by an Afrikaner, but that goes both ways and probably explains the split in preference. Same with universities, rugby clubs, cricket teams and neighborhoods so the SADF isn't a stretch.

I'm personally not a fan of Saffers regardless of what they speak (though I do prefer them to many, many other nationalities) but I'll be the first to admit that's down to some of their antics when I've worked with them and employed them, and that may have just been a few bad eggs.

>>34091790
Yeah. We have "chips" on our shoulders, apparently. I'd agree with that.

And no, that's true - English-speaking South Africans largely aligned with so-called 'liberal' values and didn't feel that the fight was theirs. It was a hugely divided country ideologically and Afrikaaners are the ultimate laager-mentality people. They literally do not give a fuck about you if you are not one of them.

>>34091763
Thanks

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>>34082486

>>34091875
Mugabe sounds more polite than he usually is in that letter.

>>34092612
The key to politics is wit, charisma and having a silver tongue

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Some sexy Mirage ass.

>>34093464
And being a brutal dictator who plunged the county into hyperinflation and confiscated the food producing farms from the white farmers. That helps too.

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Some older gear that the SADF utilized. Being on a shoe-string budget and sanctioned you don't toss old weaponry if it still works.

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Porno mags were apparently rare in SA back in the day. The gov't took a very strong moral stance against a lot of things.

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Some disciplinary PT.

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More PT.

>>34091853
represent

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Some random shit.

I inspected some old guy's car the other day and he had a bit of an accent so I asked about it and he told me he was from the "deep south" so I told him I had guessed either South Africa or Rhodesia. He was pretty surprised I knew what Rhodesia was. I want to pick his brain next time I see him and ask what he did in South Africa and why he left for Upstate NY of all places.

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More PT

>>34089280
What's the name of Croukamp's book and where can I get it? I've read about him in Tim Bax' book. Seems like a pretty hard motherfucker.

>>34095106
The Bush War in Rhodesia. Literal title of the book, alternatively look up Dennis Croukamp as an author. Great read, basically described himself as a young guy who didn't fit in well in the regular army but liked getting into trouble. So he jumped at the chance to join the fledgling Selous Scouts.

>>34095226
Thanks m8. I should have googled it before asking. I think it'll be a worthwhile read.

>>34094553
'Scope' wasn't a porno mag. It was a sort-of very tame 'gentleman's' magazine that had girls in bikinis interspersed with topical news stories and editorial pieces. Very popular and widely available. Other than that, correct, the apartheid governments were heavily Calvinist in their approach to pretty much everything.

>>34096315
>Calvinist
Wait, so old school Boers believe in this 'predestination' heresy?
Dropped

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>>34084391
>Tfw I will never don that Recce patch and hunt down communists
why even live boys?

Thanks for posting lads. Dad was in the SADF as a conscript in the late 70's as a driver. Going to show them these pics.

>>34096777
I mean that's kind of part of the whole reason the Boer's predecessors traveled to Africa in the first place.

SADF are so sexy. It's like the perfect culmination of 1980s aesthetics mixed with glamour poses.

None of the photo ops look sexy like the western ones do. They look rugged, as if they've been out in the bush. Western 1980s photo ops look like the men left the gym with a pump,donned fresh uniforms, then put a little dirt on them.

These cunts haven't bathed in 6 months.

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Time for some Koevoet action.

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>>34096777
No, at heart it's Calvinist but modified from what I remember. The Great Trek is analogous to the 'manifest destiny' thing that happened in the US. For Afrikaaners it wasn't only an expansion, but preordained and necessary. For what it's worth, if you ever want to understand the Afrikaaner mindset, explore the story of the Battle of Blood River very closely (events leading up to and the battle itself) and their subsequent 'Covenant' and its significance to them. Day to day, they're conservative protestants, usually in line with the Dutch Reformed Church, but at heart, they are hard-core Calvinist. In my opinion, anyway.

One other thing to point out just because I see it a lot - the use of 'boer' when talking about Afrikaaners generally is highly derogatory and they WILL take offence to it if you use it in front of them. The word literally means 'farmer' and it was used by both buitelanders (foreigners), and English-speaking in South Africa, as well as the ANC et al, essentially as a slur. 'Boer' taken to mean a slow-witted, ill-educated person. Unless they are a farmer (and you speak Afrikaans), then its best to refer to them as Afrikaaners (correct spelling), or Afrikaner.

>>34091875
fucking WHAAAT

>>34092612
you should hear more of him then, he's always very mannered and polite, jut an insane megalomaniac to boot

>>34084620
Not surprised

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Some pics of SADF and UNITA. UNITA ended up learning quite a bit from the SADF and in the 90's had the MPLA on the ropes for a time. Ironically, it was a group of Saffers in the form of Executive Outcomes who would force them to the negotiating table years later.

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Some SADF Pathfinders. A lot of these guys were formerly in the Rhodesian military in various capacities, Ken Gaudet here
>>34083072
Was a part of this unit at one point as were a few other Americans who were formerly in the RLI. The Sgt. Major of the unit was formerly of the British military, as were several other NCOs.

>>34100201
>call me a buitelander
>get mad when i call them a boer

TRUCKING GAIJIN

>>34083969
That's because that actually is a Galil, imported from Israel. South Africa and Rhodesia had some pretty solid relations with Israel. The R4s always had polymer furniture and never had that carry handle.

>>34106150
>R4s always had polymer furniture
They had wood ar first before they swtiched to polymer, you'll be able to see some of the R4 handguards as wood

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Obligatory Recce post.

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>>34108888
>8888

>>34082607
>protection against landmines

Ahead of their time.

>>34100201
>One other thing to point out just because I see it a lot - the use of 'boer' when talking about Afrikaaners generally is highly derogatory and they WILL take offence to it if you use it in front of them. The word literally means 'farmer' and it was used by both buitelanders (foreigners), and English-speaking in South Africa, as well as the ANC et al, essentially as a slur. 'Boer' taken to mean a slow-witted, ill-educated person. Unless they are a farmer (and you speak Afrikaans), then its best to refer to them as Afrikaaners (correct spelling), or Afrikaner.

this is wrong boer is used as is to refer to afrikaaners who farm as occupation as in farmer. There is a slight nuance that most people don't understand based on the conversation's context. The same way cape malay and coloured are similar but distinct as a coloured person for Elderado Park Jorburg wouldn't be referred to as cape malay or all blacks referred to as zulus

>>34106277
Can I get a source on that? Not calling you a liar or anything, just curious. Everything I've read online says they always had the polymer handguards.

>>34109734
The MRAPs America deployed in Afghanistan were initially Saffer-made. MRAP technology was developed in Rhodesia and South Africa during the 70s and 80s. Pretty cool stuff. Another interesting tidbit is that the Zimbabwe army (which expended most of its Rhodesian-inherited resources in the Congo early on and fell into disrepair) took Rhodesian APCs they inherited to Somalia in the 90s and US Marines rode around in them for a while.

>>34099277
As hulle kan veg vir Suid-Afrika, kan hulle stem vir Suid-Afrika!

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>>34110226
It's in this thread, but its mostly for early models (could be from test/field trials). Notice the enlongated and wider R4 style handguards compared to the ARM's shorter handguards on pic related
>>34083969
>>34094929
>>34094915
>>34094894
>>34094873

>>34110308
Ah, I see. Thanks for the heads-up. I always figured those early pictures were imported ARMs that were later replaced by the licensed R4.

>>34110189
Incorrect. A 'boer' as used by any outsider when referring to a person who is not a farmer is derogatory. You're either not South African, or you've misunderstood my post. It's only English, outsiders who don't know better, the ANC etc. who refer to Afrikaaners as 'boers'.

>>34110751
So why did Eugene Terre'blanche refer to himself and his people as boers?

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One last image, view from a Ratel looking at a T-55 it just knocked out during Operation Modular. If you don't know about it, I heavily recommend looking it up. Just finishing up a book right now called the Battle on the Lomba 1987 by David Mannall, and I cannot recommend it enough. The book goes through Mannall's two years of National Service and terminates in Operation Modular where as a part of 61st Mechanized he helped to fend off a much larger FAPLA offensive into southern Angola. What makes this engagement remarkable is that while the 61st Mechanized was well equipped with several variants of the Ratel, they were grossly outgunned by their FAPLA and Cuban adversaries who were reinforced with several squadrons of T-55s, BTRs, BMPs, and had the benefit of air support (The SAAF airfields were too far in the rear to provide prolonged support beyond lightning quick raids, and the Mirage F1 wasn't considered modern enough to tackle Cuban Mig-23s). Despite being massively outnumbered and outgunned (the author mentions that in training they were told that SADF Olifants would take care of tanks and that the 90mm guns on the Ratel might not have sufficient penetration on T-55s) 61st Mech held the line and in the process annihilated a much larger FAPLA armored force. The Ratel crews also learned to their relief that at close range the 90mm can easily cut holes into T-55s, though they had to constantly remain on the move in order to deny FAPLA gunners a clean shot. In the end the SADF lost a handful of Ratels while destroying over a hundred Angolan vehicles, including several squadrons of T-55s. Fantastic read, and really shows what a well-disciplined and well-lead fighting force can do against a much larger adversary who is unprepared.

>>34111314
Finally, someone else that has read it. The account of the battle itself will draw you and force you to keep reading. It is an amazing account about a battle that is mostly forgotten and a great insight into the SADF during the Border War.

>>34111683
I'm at the last part of the book. I've read a hell of a lot more on the Rhodesian War, but I hadn't really read up on the SA Border War and figured I'd start with this book. Very interesting to see the differences in the culture of the SADF as compared to the Rhodesian Military, also gave me some insight as to how SA prosecuted their war in Angola/Namibia while on a shoestring budget. I have Piet Nortje's 32 Battalion which I will read next.

All that blood, sweat, and death put into a nation that didn't give a fuck and eventually just ceded power to niggers.

Probably what will happen in the U.S. pretty soon.

>>34112349
Blacks aren't as large population wise here. Hispanics on the other hand are.

>>34113356
Exactly.

Figured you guys might enjoy a bit of a read.
http://fromtheold.com/recces

>>34110760
Did he? Or did he refer to them as 'boerevolk'? And that still won't alter my point, I'm afraid. Unless you are an Afrikaans speaker, and you are referring to someone who is a farmer, then YOU using the term 'boer' to refer to Afrikaaners is an insult and highly derogatory and will be taken by Afrikaaners to be as much.