7.62 mm or 5.56 mm?

You need to give us the numbers after the x.

Anyways, they're both good. People wouldn't be using em for 50 years if they weren't.

>best caliber in most situations
>between 7.62x39 and 5.56

7.62

inb4 i get called a slavaboo fanboy...

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>>34079869
I'm no gun ho and new to the subject. x39 is used in Finland I reckon.

>>34079832
5.45>7.62>5.56

7.62x39 has superior barrier penetration, but 5.56 is much, much lighter, lower recoiling, and has longer effective range.

>>34080305
> 5.56 has longer effective range
That's blatantly wrong. The U.S military is moving away from 5.56 because our enemies are engaging us beyond 5.56 effective range.

>>34080325
I believe it's beacuse kebabs have shitton of PK type machineguns.

>>34079863
>muh 800fps
>muh low chamber pressures
>muh heavy bullet
>muh fuddyfive

Inb4 being called 'son..'

5.45, for the same reason you adopted 7.62.

>>34080346
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Super

>>34080325
Than x39, x51, or x54r?

Because I was talking about the x39 that 5.56 would actually be replacing, and that shit has rainbow trajectory.

>>34079873
For it's intended use (300m and in) I agree that 7.62x39 has a ton of advantages (at least as a platform, bullets are better in 5.56 since it's seen much more development)

Ukraine conflct. Literally slavshit vs slavsith, 5.45 and 7.62 everywhere. Still most deads caused by artillery shelling. Who would care about small arms in full scale conflict?

>>34080352
45 super is not 45acp. Youre basically showing me a 357 compared to a 38

>>34080400

>45 super is not 45acp.
Its the exact same dimensions and can be fired out of a gun chambered in .45 acp with no modification.
Heavier recoil spring is recommended though.

>Youre basically showing me a 357 compared to a 38
No, those are two different sized rounds.

>>34080389
>Who would care about small arms in full scale conflict?
the squad small arms keep you down and fixed while the rest of the squad moves to your flank with rifles, and if that doesn't work the squad small arms keep you down until an artillery shell or bomb flies up your ass.

>>34080420
good point

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>>34080234
> He fell for the 5.45
> mAh poison bullet

>>34080406
Can i fire a .45 super from a .45 acp? Not without conversion kit. So basically it is two different rounds. You cant deny that.

>No, those are two different sized rounds
The case on a .357 is slightly longer and thicker but otherwise a .38 can be shpt in a .357.

Youre basically comparing a .45 and .45 magnum (super) in an original statement that had nothing to do with the latter. I originally was making a joke of the round.
No different than if you made a statement about .38 special and i came back arguing. 357

>That picture
HNNNNG THAT GRILL IS FUCKING THICC

If I had the choice I'd date the one on the left for a couple of years before marrying the one on the right.

>Protip:
Thicc in their 20s means chubby in their 30s, and fat by their 40th birthday.

>>34079832
So was this coincidental? The one of the left is 7.62 with her bigger tits and the right is 5.56 for the smaller ones?

>>34080776
The one the left is 7.62 and the one on the right is 5.56, correct.

Wish we could have seen the left ones legs.

>>34080325
>The U.S military is moving away from 5.56
No it isn't, mongtards in the brass forget that 7.62x51mm rifles and machineguns are in employ for those exact reasons already and are buying into the classic fallacy of BUH MUH RANGE and BUH MUH STOPPAN POWAH

Those engagements are not even close to common, some kind of mallninja wet dream monstrosity between the 5.56mm and 7.62mm that is arguably slightly more useful in niche situations where they already have tools for the job is not going to be fielded.

The 5.56x45mm does everything it needs to do as a caliber, and it would be unbelievably retarded to replace it with a suggested quasi-battle rifle.

What's going to happen at best is that some trials will be made, some prototypes are tested, and decades from now, mouthbreathing armchair commandos like you will fawn over some pointless rifles that never got adopted, ask "What happened, /k/?" just like similar tards did with the flechettes, the Gyrojet, the ACR program, the G11, the XM29, XM8 and the M27, the difference being that the XM8, M27 and whatever new rifle is cooked up wont be functionally retarded, just entirely pointless because it will be a tiny, or insignificant upgrade at a monumental cost at best, or a technological step backwards at a monumental cost, at worst.

It will be cancelled by either budget, or the fact that someone who isn't drunk will look at it and go "What the fuck is this? What are you doing? We're not going to spend money on this."

>>34080406
>with no modification.
Wrong, many pistols have insufficient chamber support to safely and reliably handle it, and many guns are not built to handle it in general, and most guns besides the H&K Mk.23 are purpose built to eat it on the regular.

>>34081274
>most guns
>implying this was even about .45 super and not fat slow fuddyfive automatic

>>34079832
>What is the best caliber in most situations?
.300 Blackout

>>34079832
Going by that pic I choose 5.56. 7.62 is going to be a fat cow with pancake tits after her first crotch fruit ripens.

Based on guns I'm going 5.56 because I live in the Jungles of the SE USA so range is not really an issue 90% of the time.

>>34080348

Because it is used in AK-47 and is also the only intermediate round adopted by major military and currently being mass-produced in multiple countries?

Because those are the main reasons why Finnish military made the decision to go with 7.62 x 39 round circa year 1956 - 1957, not because "we can use captured ammo if needed".

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>>34079832
>FDF uses exclusively 7.62 mm caliber guns
Mee ny neekeri mäkeen.

FDF does not EXCLUSIVELY use 7.62 mm stuff at all. The special forces just got 5.56 SCAR rifles, our Leos are armed with .308 MGs, 12.7mm AA/HMGs are still in active use as vehicle-mounted and stationary anti-armor tools, and MPs / special snowflakes even use 12ga shotguns, 9mm and 5.7mm SMGs and handguns.

The 7.62x39 assault rifles are just the basic infantry weapon of the FDF, and already many times confirmed to still be up for the job this day and age. The 62M project even makes it easier to customize the weapon with modern toys. Some units have for long used RK95+AGOC combos as their DMRs, hitting targets past 450 meters.

>>34080420

Not that anon, but it seems to failed to understand the point. With field artillery making majority of the killing, how effective its weapons are really matters. On the other hand just about any assault rifles and light/general purpose machineguns will take care of keeping infantry pinned down.

>>34079832

Would motorboat during free hug.

>>34081501

Girls with big tits keep turning you down when you ask them out?

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>>34081619
I'm an oldfag anon. I've seen the ravages of time. Those giant tits that were super fun in your 20s are a fucking nightmare in your 40s. My advice to any young fags is to find a girl with some nice smallish titties. They will grow some after kids and with age, but if she stays in shape they won't get disgusting.

>>34081660
Agreed, if you're going to go long term always check out eating habits, and how fat her mom is. Even if she's fairly thin now, if she eats bacon cheeseburgers, gets drunk on sugary cocktails, and has a fat fuck mother, chances are she's going to be a fat fuck as well

>>34081660
>oscar was a homeless war veteran, ruined by the vietnam war
HOLY SHIT

>>34081583
man those modern aks look badass. anyone know what camo that is?

>>34082955
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/category/finnish-m05-camo/1839

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>>34082955
Finnish M05, obviously.
Rifle's RK-62M

>>34079832
Ordinarily I'd go with Slutty McSmalltits but navel rings are trashy and not in a good way.

>>34083273
does sako import aks to the us?

How about we stray from this shitty comparison of x39 and 5.56.

>7.62x51 (.308)
>5.56 nato

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>.308 on left
>5.56 on right.
I'd rather have my .308 if someone pays for the ammo.

>>34079832
Chinese 5.8mm is answer

>>34079832
both suck ass and aren't good for more than a chipmunk

>>34079832
That pic is more like .338 LM and 5.56mm NATO.

As for your question, what's my choice? Threesome. I pick threesome.

Wait for 6.5 telescoped ammo. Has the weight of 5.56 but better range and barrier penetration.

>>34079832
>What is the best caliber in most situations?

Both suck in this age when personal armors are developing very fast.

>>34080325
Most soldiers can't shoot to start with, and most of those engagements consist of "spray half a belt out of a PKM roughly at a convoy then leave before they shoot back."

The military's leadership is retarded. "5.56 doesn't work" is a myth cooked up by idiots like you to explain why they can't shoot.

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>>34085396
No. Sako was kill already two decades ago, and all its shit was purchased by Beretta, which means it's double dead.
Second, RK =/= AK. No new RKs has been made since the mid-1990s.

However, Valmet, Sako's predecessor, DID import RK-62 style rifles to USA during Cold War. In small numbers, but still.

Finally, in case you didn't know, the Galil was based on RK-62's blueprints they purchased from Valmet.

>>34081242
Damn dude harsh. But right. But harsh.

>>34083273

I like how that rifle has the rear sight further back on the dust cover.

Is that dust cover interchangeable with other stamped AKs and are they available for purchase?

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>>34080305
That's also why the Soviets transitioned to 5.45

>>34079832
>What is the best caliber in most situations?

.22lr because ammo is cheap and the most common situation is target practice.

>>34079832
>Hentai Mom and Daughter

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>>34081363
Fag

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>>34089554
>Is that dust cover interchangeable with other stamped AKs and are they available for purchase?
No idea, but I doubt both. Valmet & Sakos might be based on AKs, but besides the magazines, their parts are not interchangeable.

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>>34080776
If this was the case then I would say 7.62 and have 5.56 as a side thing

>>34080483
It is sick tho. The best part is that it doesn't hurt so much without ears, compared to 5.56. It's optimized for 16 inch barrel. No flash, no explosion. 16in 5.56. Guns annoy the fuck out of me for that reason. Flash cans solve it.

>>34080325

Our enemies are engaging us from beyond the effective range of pretty much everything, you fucking moron, including 7.62 x 39.

5.56 out of a 20in and 5.45 out of a 16in

these are the objective best answers for their respective spheres

>>34080775
any time you see a pair of DDs, there's a Future Fat Girl(tm)

>>34080389
>slavshit vs slavsith
Your typo has just given me a great idea.

>>34079832
If you're part of a military where your goal is mostly suppressing the enemy until support can kill them (artillery, bombs, snipers, machine gunners) then a light intermediate caliber is best. 5.56 is common but can't kill anything past 300 yards. 7.62x39 can punch through urban/woodland cover but it arcs past 300 yards. Any intermediate is going to have trade-offs. I consider the 7.62x39 to be the better choice because typically guns that shoot it come with quick adjust sights to account for bullet drop. You can't really do anything for the 5.56 past 3-400 yards, it's just a .22 at that point, if the wind hasn't blown the lightweight bullet off course by then.

If you're on your own, or part of a small group, full size caliber is the way to go. You aren't going to be spraying rounds down range (at least that would not be wise). You actually need to hit what you're shooting at, and kill it when you hit it. .308 is the best chambering for this role, as it's a common hunting round, and can shoot the common military 7.62NATO rounds.

>>34079832
Size matters, and bigger is better.

>>34091998
5.56 is lethal well past 500m out of longer barrels

Fucking educate yourself.

>>34092074
Yeah but who's shooting it out of a 24" barrel, let alone a 20" these days. The stock doesn't even fold on the most popular 5.56 platform and you need the fixed stock for the rifle length gas system, making it a long and unwieldy weapon. I'd rather go with an FAL if I had to have a 20" barrel and non folding stock.

>>34092122
You also need to worry about bullet grain (weight) out past those ranges. You're going to need a heavy bullet to stay on course, then you need to worry about your barrel twist rate which has to be correct to stabilize that bullet. It's a very picky deal, but you can indeed get some good accuracy and effectiveness out of a 5.56 if you put in the effort and spend the money on specialty rounds.

I'm not bothering with that shit, I need a warfighter's gun that can eat any ammo (including steel case) I've stocked up on or scavenged, and can fuck shit up within its effective range without my treating it like a princess.