9x39 mm Russian weaponry?

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>>34068609
There aren't any in the united states....

:(

>>34068609
The Soviets knowing more about small arms, and not being riddled with corruption like the US realized that a sub-sonic 5.45 sucks ads. Thus in the 80's the created the 9x39 for their Spetnaz to rekt NATO. So it had to be subsonic, and be able to penetrate NATO body armor at 200M.
The recoil stands between a .300 memeout and .458 SOCOM. It's stopping power is pretty good, due to having 2x the mass of 9mmx19.

>>34068609
Comrade Anon, let me tell you story of my experience with AS VAL when I was Vympel.

Gun was heavy, like proper Russian rifle. Not that блядь of a rifle M4. Gun cannot be heard by terrorists when firing. Good Russian engineering.

In Vympel, I called my assigned AS VAL Aнacтacия. It mean Anastasia. Why? Because I secretly wish I were Czar, so I can drink Cristal.

Anyway, when I operating in Caucasus, I kill many terrorists with Aнacтacия. It was accurate and silent. It also mean when I consume my vodka ration and become happy and shoot Aнacтacия randomly into night, nobody knows.

It was good gun. Good Russian gun.

>>34068998
I wonder how feasible it is to ship every part of the VSS except for the lower.
I'm thinking we could live without a 100% repro VSS, and if you had every part except for the lower, it should be simple enough to reverse-engineer and mill one here.

>>34069041
>not being riddled with corruption like the US

Man WHAT?

>>34068998
Wrong, I know of one.

>>34069834
YOU GLORIOUS SONOVABITCH YOU.
Can I be your chief priest in the new religion started to celebrate your greatness?

>>34069834
dude what does it take to get one imported
I know it can be done but who the hell do you talk to?
the only thing I can think of is talking to some ukrainian who captured one in the war. And then what?
Not that it really matters to me. I'm not the only one with schematics. Once I get my hands on a mill then I am golden.

and then ammo...

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>>34068609
They're kinda neat.

Haven't fired one though.

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>you will never own one
feels bad, stal/k/ers

>>34069834
I know of at least one AN-94 that is in non-legal hands.

I assume the VSS is similar in nature

>>34069881
Not mine unfortunately.

>>34069918
You'd have to find someone with one, deacts aren't really a thing but lots of random small parts are available on Russian gun forums.

>>34070017
Someday when I'm rich.

>>34068609
>What does /k/ know about the VSS/AS Val family of weapons?
they are russian guns called either the vss or the as val
>Has anyone actually used any of them?
You will never meet anyone who has even seen one in real life, let alone shot one
>How viable are they in real life?
they're guns that shoot bullets. good against people, bad for shooting tanks at 1000 meters

now fuck off

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The VSS and Val were, to my understanding, designed to supplant the AKMS/PBS1 combination in as many aspects as possible by drastically improving subsonic suppressed performance. 9x39mm acts like a really fat 5.45x39mm, it's very long and is intentionally imbalanced, leading to the violent, early yaw which combined with low velocity makes it rapidly lose effective range. Not a laser beam of death, but it's a good round for its purpose - push through a lot of things with minute-of-bad-guy accuracy while keeping a fairly low profile.

>>34068609
if i could have one exotic gun in the world it would be one of them

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>>34071640
you sure about that?

>>34071654
He probably is, the WA2000 is an even bigger overhyped videogame meme than any slavshit ever was. At the very least the VSS and VAL have favorable responses from their users, when Ian was taking that thing apart I was like damn what a rough piece of shit. Hard to believe they charged 12K for them, even harder to believe people actually paid.

>>34071654
yes

>>34069127

Please tell me you married Anastasia afterwards. It hurts to think otherwise.

>>34070335
What about shooting tanks at 100 meters?

>>34069743
Both are corrupt, he's talking about America's own special brand of corruption

>>34068998
>:(

Kys

>>34071889
declassified info says that some specialty rounds can penetrate over 10mm of steel (what hardness tho? RHA? Hardened plate steel? Tincans?) at 200 meters. Theoretically good value for money when it comes to APCs - still not good against any tanks.

>>34069743
>>34071994
both are filled with lobbist
but atleat the Soviet/Russian got working gun

>>34069127
AS Val is lighter than a full length AK-74 though

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>>34071654
wa 2000 is a maintenance nightmare and overpriced

9x39 are in serviced right now so the chance to get one is high and the price could be nice


just imagine about all just dead Russian Operator in Ukraine and Syria.

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>>34068609
>What does /k/ know about the VSS/AS Val family of weapons?
they are the only new small arm design that was put into service

anything else are just AK clone, AR-18 clone or FAL clone

there was a video on youtube showing how the bolt work but i think someone have removed it

>>34070001
RIP pupper

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>>34072357
>multi lug rotating bolt with a long stroke piston

>new design

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>>34072762
the cam lug is a complete new design

i wish i had that video right now to rub it on your face

>>34072357
>they are the only new small arm design that was put into service
>In service since the afghan war
Whats new about that?

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>>34072811
>>34072762
>>34072797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0sYSFQXxY
found the video

this double cam lock system is fucking genius

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>>34072797
Oh yes, having a cam lug behind your locking lugs is such a technological breakthrough in small arms design. The Russians are truly the greatest and most original small arms designers in the world.

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>>34072877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0sYSFQXxY

can you spent a minute or 2 to enjoy this cam lug design

>>34072863
How is that different from any other rotating bolt rifle?

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>>34072916
Johnson did this in the 40's desu senpai

>>34069274
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/03/building-vss-vintorez-usa/

>>34072932
It looks like it finishes locking before the bolt carrier fully seats. Probably faster in F/A?

>>34072932
it is a dual cam lugs system

AK and AR-18 use a single cam lugs system

and the design of the cam slot is space age compare to existed design
>>34072961
i cann't see shit

>>34068609
Read a good article in Small Arms Review magazine about Russian 9x39 weapons, as others have mentioned, it yaws a lot, but also has a hell of a lot drop beyond like 400m. Russian Soldiers in Chechnya liked it for room clearing as it wasn't as deafening as an AK, while maintaing good lethality. I remember hearing you could by a car for the price of an AS Val on the black market.

>>34073034
>it is a dual cam lugs system
>design of the cam slot is space age compare to existed design
Right, but what do the extra cams do? If it doesn't add any functionality or utility then whats the point?

>>34072980
>2013
we all know where that went.
More recently, MOLOT said they'd be making civvie versions which would also be cool, but we all know where that went too.

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I have an unhealthy obsession with the VSS pattern stuff, specifically the SR3 Vikhr

>>34072762
>baffle core is literally 6 washers welded into place

I wonder how this compares to modern western cans

>>34070335

I held a VAL in Cambodia. I didn't realize at the time what an opportunity that I had and I never asked to shoot it. It would have been only in a 50 foot range but I would have at least felt it go boom.

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>>34073162
more repeatable lock up
better accuracy

>>34073269
people say it is as loud as a .22lr rifle

>>34073318
>more repeatable lock up
Okay, but the same could be achieved with simply more lugs
>better accuracy
How? Its still a 7 inch barrel with holes drilled in it. This feels like a buzzword.

>>34073269
I'd like to see this weapon with a 12" long western integrated supressor, wonder if it even matters for the round

>>34069918
You can buy magazines and ammo actually from Russian Facebook, VK. There's a ton of Russians who don't give a fuck about export laws or have an inside guy in customs.

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>>34073340
>simply more lugs
this is fully automatic gun. you can not just keep adding more lug like the bolt action gun
>>34073340
>Its still a 7 inch barrel with holes drilled in it
that is exactly why it need all the accuracy it can get

though shorter barrel have better barrel harmony than long barrel

the VSS use with match grade ammo, much better and more expensive than the ammo for VS. It was intended to be a sniper rifle

>>34069955
Is that a fucking revolver to the left of the PP-2000?

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>>34073418
yes, a revolver shooting 7.62mm SP-4 silent cartridge

>>34073340
>accuracy
>barrel length
hi noguns

>>34073491
For a subsonic round yes, barrel length is absolutely important for accuracy.

>>34073318
source on movie?

>>34073621
Boйнa

>>34073463
So a sneeki breeki revolver? Sounds fun.

>>34073631
Cпacибo

>>34073639
>So a sneeki breeki revolver?
yep

also the barrel is in the bottom, the thing on the top is a laser sight

>>34073318
>people say it is as loud as a .22lr rifle

An unsuppressed .22 lr?

Not sure that comparison makes sense as with unsuppressed supersonic .22 the sonic crack is louder than the muzzle blast.

Western suppressor designers have almost uniformly moved away from flat baffles and now use coned baffles with clips to cause turbulence.

While the angled flat baffles on these Russian cans might help, I can almost guarantee that Western cone style baffles offer superior sound reduction.

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>>34074238
>An unsuppressed .22 lr?
yes, without the supersonic crack.

> Western cone style baffles offer superior sound reduction.

yes, and they also heat up way faster and a bitch to clean

keep in mind that Soviet suppressor are design to work with under power subsonic ammo

VSS and VS Val aren't design to fire without the suppressor,

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>>34074275
fuck my grammar really bad with that post

>>34074238
BS on unsuppressed 22lr. Sounded similar to SD6 version of MP5 to me.
For fucks sake, look it up on youtube.

>>34069041
>and be able to penetrate NATO body armor at 200M.
Requirement was to penetrate soviet 6B2 body armor from 400 meters.

>>34074301
holy shit is that a 4 inch barrel

>>34074443
>he thinks you can judge sound from a YouTube video

Tell me another one!

>>34074806
youtube has audio u know

>>34071798
Nyet comrade, Aнacтacия belongs to Mother Russia. I cannot claim her.

>>34072980
Yeah nice try, but uni said it failed miserably just like most projects on 4chan, or /k/ specifically

>>34074919
microphones alter audio you know.
You can't use a youtube video to judge loudness, except in comparison to other sources of noise.
Even then, shitty microphones will clip the audio at a certain loudness and make the recording completely useless.

>>34075363
*except in comparison to other sources of noise -in the same video-

>>34075373
just turn the sound up to 1:1

>>34074919
Yeah but its poor. FFS smaw shots shot quiet as fuck

>>34074557
yup
it is supposed to be subsonic after all