CZ General Thread

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I love my SP-01, it's amazing.

I didn't get the tactical because I don't ever plan on using a silencer with a handgun (it's meme territory), and I don't care much for decockers. This is really the only difference between the standard SP-01 and the Urban Grey. Nothing like feeling literally two and a half pounds of steel in your hands, it's like holding onto a SAA.

I recently picked this up used. It needs some tweaking. I am going to put night sights on it, and buy the defender package from CGW and install that by myself as I intend to CCW with it. Another Anon on here has one converted to just SA, and I might go that route as well. Not sure yet. I want to play around with it some more.

thinking about a Leopold FX-II ultralight 2.5 power for my 527. anyone else got one? have you put optics on it?

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>>34063678
CZ orange is pretty sweet tho im not sure that its worth x2 the cost of a normal Shadow

>>34063824
Euro?

>>34063824

It isn't.

You have to remember who those guns are being made for: guys who trying to (or are) become Masters/Grandmasters in the IPSC and such.

The "smartest" option is to just buy an SP-01, and then upgrade the shit out of it. It'll save you money, and you'll get something comparable.

Can I put a P-01 slide stop on a PCR?

The thumb ramp on the P-01 stop is just a bit longer than the PCR's so I think it'd be great, I just can't get a definitive yes on whether or not it fits.

>>34063798
What is the difference between the kits from CGW? I'm literally brand new to the CZ game, and just want a nicer, slightly less heavy pull on the trigger, but keeping it DA/SA also. And yeah I doubt I'll ever get a suppressor for it, I just really like the way it looks.

>>34063858

Call CZCustom or Cajun?

>>34063863
I sent CZC an email but that was a week ago and they haven't got back to me.

Will try Cajun today

>>34063862

Really they only make two kits, Defender and Pro.

Pro is for IPSC, three-gun, plinking, etc.

Defender is for CCW.

They are pretty self-explanatory as to what the differences are in their descriptions. They are also pretty easy to assemble yourself if you just buy some dental picks and a punch set, Midway sells a pretty cheap punch set with a hammer and everything. The option is sending it in to them to do the work, but they usually have a 90 day turn around and you have to pay the postage, etc. They will literally tell you how to do the upgrades, and you can call if you have any questions. There's also quite a few videos out there of people doing the installations from top to bottom in real-time, so you can just copy those.

>>34063886
Much obliged. What holster do you use for ccw? I prefer kydex personally, but so far I can't find much of anything on the Alex and Ryan customs.

>>34063947

Take a look at Squared Away Customs, call and see if they will make one for the Urban Grey. I am not sure if anyone currently does. They might be willing to.

>>34063824
>>34063849

I used to work for CZC

I got a CZ orange (pic related after I did custom work on it) and I think it's worth it for the only reason being the slide to frame fit is fucking amazing.

Regular SP-01's feel very wobbly in comparison to how tight the slide is on this. I was going to accu it and decided not to when I compared the accuracy of my orange to an regular accu SP-01.

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>>34064151
Forgot my pic. .

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>>34063831
Yes
>>34064151
I dont think its worth it considering that you can get a used Sphinx 3000 for the same price bu i am quite baiesd or how ever its spelled.

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>>34064199
Last one i got of both

>>34064199
I would consider them to be of the same quality. Shot a few Sphinx's and did not feel big difference between them and Custom CZ's.

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>>34064219
SDP or the 2000 or 3000?

>>34064240
What are you asking exactly?

I have a cz 455 that shoots to the right a bit.

What do I do, just adjust the rear sight a bit so it's right on?

I'm new to this gun stuff.

>>34064293
>just adjust the rear sight a bit so it's right on?

Yes, or mount a scope.

>>34064305

Definitely considering a scope, but just enjoying irons for now.

Thanks!

>>34064345
Horizontal adjustments are generally no big deal for most fire arms. A bit more difficult to deal with a gun that shoots to high or low.

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>>34063678
So I just detail stripped the p-10 hoping to polish up a few things, particularly the mag release.
The trigger smoothed out a bit, love the trigger but the mag release is really irritating.
They also used an odd sized roll pin for the back strap. 1/16th size punch looks right but will slip into the roll pin, it actually takes like 3/32nds or some metric shit. Regardless, there is no excuse for it being a roll pin and a thin sided one at that.

This gun has a HUGE amount of potential, and shooting potential, but it still has some rough spots IMO.

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>>34064096
Yep, they can, thanks again!

>>34064264
>Shot a few Sphinx's
Did you shoot the SDP( Cz tier) or did you shoot Sphinx 2000, 3000

>>34064597
A pair of twin 3000's

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I bought a P01 a few years back and have loved CZ ever since.

>>34064669
Stats say the P-09 is thicc, necessary for the 19+1, how does it feel?

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>>34064736
Not him but p-09 is a fantastic full size gun. Feels good.

>>34064775
How's the trigger? I'm "shopping" (finger-fucking is difficult to get done in my state so it's all theory) for a pistol. I'm a big boi so a full-size isn't an immediate turn off, not until I feel it out. I'm can't decide if I prefer the idea of DA/SA or striker; I like the idea of a long first shot to avoid NDs, whether at myself or others, but if it's a trigger that requires too much fidgeting then it's not worth it.

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>>34063824
>CZ orange is pretty sweet tho im not sure that its worth x2 the cost of a normal Shadow

Considering how cheap a standard Tactical Sports is compared to the Orange etc, I don't quite get CZ's pricing strategy.

>>34064889
Orange's all get hand fit the old fashion way instead of getting machined fit. Lots of man hours.

>>34064889
prices depend on where you live a lot with CZ

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>>34063858
Yes, slide stops interchange freely between all metal frame CZ75s, including most Tanfoglio small frames and clones.

If you're interested in a longer slide stop, call EAA and ask for a dogleg style stop - pic related. They used them on older TZ75s and FAB92s, and IMI used them on Jerichos.
Might require slight fitting, though. Safer bet would be to stick to CZ's own parts.

>>34065216
Actually, I'm wrong. Different size stops for steel, alloy, and poly frames due to different frame thicknesses.
Steel frame stops interchange between all steel CZs and small frame clones, and Poly frame stops don't interchange between brands due to different dimensions. Tanfo doesn't make any alloy guns, so your options are limited to just CZ's stops. The P01 and PCR frames are dimensionally the same where it counts, so either way, a P01 stop should work on a PCR and vice versa.

>>34064484
UPDATE: Just got back from the range after putting another 150 rounds through the gun after polishing. Gun is finally feeling broken in. Mag release is working well. I even started doing a decent job shooting quickly off the reset which has always been challenging.

>>34064851
P-09 trigger is good, better than a p30 at least, not that that's saying much. The reset is longer than most new striker fired designs though. So, if you want to practice speed shooting off the reset this probably isn't the absolutely best choice. I carry mine cocked and locked, trigger is light and smooth with just a little creep. I really have no complaints.

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My bi-tone baby

>>34065746
That sounds pretty ideal, I'll keep a look out for it and see if I can get a rental. Thanks

>>34065795
I like it.

Mismatched halves or did you refinish the frame?

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I'm looking for a laser and light combo for a sar k2p and a holster to accommodate it. Any suggestions? I like the tlr-6 but it doesn't fit. Is there anything similar to it?

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Have any of you removed the firing pin safety? How difficult of a process is it? I'm trying to improve the trigger pull however I can short of sending it in for $150+ of trigger work with CJW or CZC.

>>34066494
What holster do you use for competition? I just got an imi roto retention or whatever its called

>>34066459
>those grips

Why, my guy?

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the latest of my 6 CZ firearms. for USPSA production use.

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any of u guys tried the canik p120?

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>>34066501
A little embarassing but I use a shitty serpa with the lock disengaged

>>34066564
Are you cool with supporting isis?

>>34066512
I think the juxtaposition of the modern sp01 and the vintage waffle grip makes for a nice mix.
Also I'm a special snowflake

>>34066678
dont worry im poor so i only buy used guns

>>34064669
What light is that on your P-01?

>Being so poor to not buy a Sphinx instead

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>>34066564
Ive owned canik guns in the past. The TP9SA is the best of the bunch, but even its not great. I had pic related, and it was mediocre. I definitely don't regret buying a CZ SP01 afterwards. The Canik was a lot rougher around the edges, trigger was much worse, and it wasnt as reliable.

>>34063678
Thinking of buying a shadow 2.
My sp-01 has a fuck ton of rounds through it and the trigger is trash.

>>34066409
I have a TLR-4 on a Tanfo Witness. The TLR-4 comes with a set of indexing keys that let you vary how far back or forward it sits. Works great for me.

Good luck on a holster though.

I have advice on p-01

I had purchased a p-01, steel frame with rail. This gun shoots very nice but it is WAY heavier than a compact concealment gun should be. Despite it's dimensions it felt like I was carrying a full size gun.
If someone wants a metal compact CZ, I would recommend the PCR, hands down. Are you ever going to use that rail on your compact carry gun? No you're not so why have it making the gun thicker in your pants. Do you want your conceal carry gun to be light? Yes, so get the aluminum framed gun. The PCR is the way to go over a steel framed p-01 or the RAMI both of which I have owned. The RAMI wasn't a bad gun but it did not feel like a CZ, it felt like a CZ to me and the p-01 or PCR will be much nicer shooting.

>>34066495
It wont make a big enough difference versus the loss of drop safety imo. Better off polishing the flats of the trigger for easy improvements.

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>>34066918
The rami is basically a teeny tiny cz 40.
The way I see it is that colt is a dead beat dad, CZ is a battered wife and the rami is the product of a loveless union!

>>34066495
You'll mostly see improvement in trigger reset. Not worth it.

If you do go through with it, I think you'll need a Pre-B sear.

If you feel handy, take it down far enough to get Moly grease on all of the trigger and sear surfaces. A little goes a long way. I've also dusted Moly powder into the sear area and shaken out the excess. It's not as good as a trigger job, but the results might surprise you.

>>34066990

I have two problems with the manual RAMI.

- The sights are shit, so I am replacing those.
- The slide stop is incredibly unfriendly to lefties.

I am going to keep working on the second one, while I get the sights replaced.

>>34065795
Do you hammer nails with that thing?

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>>34066513
God fucking damn I love those contours. I need one of those in my life but they cost almost as much as I plan to spend on a motorcycle.

>>34066744
It does seem to say TLR-3 on the side senpai.

>>34067213
IIRC he bought it as a beat to shit surplus and redid the finish a bit.

>>34067281
are the surplus ones not as accurate or something?

>>34067309
Nah there's nothing wrong with them they're just very very beat up usually. Years of military or police service does not do nice things to the finish, particularly the paint-like stuff CZ uses.

>>34067281

Speaking of Finish.

CZ's polycoat is literally my favorite thing, but I am concerned about the finish wearing off as I practice with my guns more frequently drawing from a holster. We all know that CZ is kind of notorious in the way their finishes tend to just disappear, so I want to minimize this as much as possible.

Any suggestions?

>>34067352
Just put more paint on it bro

>>34067374

Does Sherwin Williams make the right color?

>>34067352
dont worry when the finish wears off it will make ur gun look cooler

>>34067400
If the paint starts to fade you can always spray it down with the some semi gloss black alumahyde. Funnily enough the polycoat on CZ's is exactly the same as universal flat black on duplicolor auto paint

>>34063678
cali-cuck here...
>...
fuck my life; all i want is a surplus cz75b
>can't because 15+1 round
>15
>assault magazine
>;_;
why live...

>>34067419
>exactly the same color*
>>34067424
Why not get a cz97b?

do they still make CZ pistols that look like high powers?

asking for a friend

>>34067431
only been using bud's. can't find one under $400. if i did i would.

>>34067447
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/649238642
I don't think youre going to find a cz pistol that isn't israeli surplus for under 400 dollars friendo

>>34067471
>israeli surplus
i don't care; i will take anything suplus or third-world/foreign mil-used.

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>>34067471
>>34067484
NVM. So like is this a 75 chambered in 45? or just a 1911-like cz... i just want the smooth action associate with 75 models...

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>>34067529
Yep, the 97 is pretty much a 75 in .45
>>34067352
Yep more paint. Or use it as an excuse to cerakote.

>>34067695

Anon, you take really nice photos of your SP-01.

>>34067529
what site is this?

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>>34067731
Thanks senpai I try. At this point I just wish I had more CZ pistols to take pictures of. Getting bored of just doing the same one.

>>34067434
Do you know what model you're referring to?

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Tanfo masterrace coming through.

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>>34065795
just picked me up one of those

>>34067752
>http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

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>mfw CZ hates money so much that they just stop making their guns chambered in .45 all the time, and will literally never make one in 10mm

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>>34067434
Either get a CZ or get a hi power.

Or both, that's what I did.

>>34067815
considering they can't keep their shit in stock in the US for more than like two weeks after a shipment shows up, I really don't think they have an issue with acquiring money bud.

>>34067803
love my witness match. I have to load 10mm a little short but accurate as hell.

>>34067854

BUT THEY COULD HAVE MORE MONEY.

>stopped production of the 97
>stopped production of the 85
>will never make 10mm

REEEEEEEEE

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>>34067829
which one do u like better? is the feg hi power any good?

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>>34067886
FEG Hi Powers are nice, I've had two. If you get a Browning, get one made from the 60s-90s. Theyll be 200-400 cheaper and have a nicer finish. Youll have to deal with funky beer can sights or the tiny military ones unless you get it milled for better sights though.

>>34067886
Browning
>mag safety (-)
>hammer bite (-)
>shit trigger (-)
>John Browning (+)

CZ 75
>No hammer bite (+)
>No Mag safety (+)
>Better trigger (+)
>No John Browning (-)

CZ literally just copied the Browning except they made it better. That's what they do.
>Improving on perfection

The slide release on my rami is super sticky. Any way to fix besides mailing it to cgw?

>>34068096
i will give you 600 cash for it

>>34068096

Sticky how?

>>34068001
>Remove mag safety +
>dont have fat hands +
>remove mag safety +

Also, Im tired of this stale meme. The CZ is not a copy of the browning, it's a completely different handgun..

>>34068125

It isn't wholly inaccurate to say that the CZ is based off the Hi-Power. I don't see anything wrong with this.

>buy sample guns
>look over their engineering
>make changes that you think improve it
>make new gun based off said changes

It'd be like calling every lever action a copy of the Paterson.

>>34068121
When's she's cold it takes two thumbs some time to release it. When she's warmed up its a lot easier but sometimes I still need two thumbs. Compared to my 75b the rami is significantly more difficult.
>>34068118
Nah , they're super hard to find.

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>>34067529
>>34067695
>>34067815
Daily reminder that Tanfo beat CZ to making .45, .38 Super, and 10mm guns.
Also some of you will hate me for saying it: Tanfo beat CZ to making firing pin blocks, and their design is better than CZ's.
They're also cheaper and the finish is slightly less bad.

>>34067803
My nigga.
Large frame? What caliber you shooting there?

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>>34068125
Yeah it's completely different except that it's entirely the same. Same size, steel framed, double stack 9mm, side panel grips and similar grip geometry.

The CZ p-10 is also a completely different gun than the Glock, whole different everything inside but that doesn't mean they didn't copy the Glock in a lot of ways. CZ takes existing gun concepts and remakes them better.

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>>34068001
>>34068217

>>34068225
always hated both those stocks.

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>>34068125
>>34068217
>>34068225

>>34068188
u forgot about how the tanfoglios had better stock triggers than the czs so cz copied it with their omega trigger

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>>34068125
>>34068217
>>34068225
>>34068243

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>>34068125
>Im tired of this stale meme. The CZ is not a copy

>>34068217
>>34068225
>>34068243
>>34068269
It just happens that they make copies superior to the original.

Do you guys prefer safety or a decocker?
I'm asking because I have a sp-01 with a decocker that I use for home defenses / competition.
I think the decocker is more suited for HD while the safety is more suited for competution, what do you guys think?

>>34068305
>safety
so my wife's son does not accidentally shoot it
>decocker
for my wife's son when he is 18

>>34068305
I think there's something to be said for consistency. I prefer cocked and locked over DA/SA personally but if you are switching back and forth with striker fired guns that have no safety, you may not have the muscle memory to turn the safety off during a high stress situation. This is why I will only ever have a safety if it's frame mounted and doubles as a thumb rest for grip, like the 1911 or the sp-01 with a thick safety that sticks out. The p-01 tends to come with thin safeties for conceal carry, I don't like those.

Consistency > Cocked and locked > DA/SA

>>34068255
Czech plagiarism of an Italian copycat of a Czech knockoff of a Belgian licensed American design.

Wait till we throw all the Turkroach, Swiss Mountainjew, and Israeli Jewrico clones into that equation.

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>>34068188
Couldnt give a fuck desu. I've only ever seen one tanfo in person but I didn't like the way it felt compared to my SP-01. The stock 2 and 3 both look like fucking sex tho. Would love to try them some time.

>.45, .38 Super, and 10mm
Have never and will never plan to own any of the above personally but I don't blame people who do.

>>34068361
LOL

>>34068225

Only flaw with the BREN is that it will burn the shit out of your hand. At least the 805 anyway. Not sure if they fixed that with the 806, but you can't buy that so it's a moot point.

>>34068372

I want a 10mm CZ personally because they could easily make a proprietary gun capable of properly handling the caliber that isn't some fucking 1911 clone. And, I know this is probably going to start a fight, but 10mm is undeniably better than 9mm. You just need a gun built around the cartridge, and not a gun modified for a cartridge. For instance, the USP in .40 S&W actually works specifically because it was made for the fucking .40, but it's a moot point since the 10mm is better than the .40 S&W.

>>34068162
>>34068217


The CZ has very little in common mechanically with the hi power.

>Completely different sear mechanism
>Completely different trigger mechanism
>Completely different style of slide
>Different barrel linkage
>Different sights
>Different mainspring arrangement
>Different safety mechanism
>DA/SA instead of just SA

So far the only similarity is that it's a tilting barrel semiauto with good ergonomics, the grip panels are similar(but not interchangeable), the profile is similar, and the recoil spring is set up in a similar way. That's it. Mechanically they're two COMPLETELY different handguns. It's like saying the USP is a copy of the Glock since theyre both blocky-shaped polymer 9mm pistols.
>>34068290
Also no shit the 75 is better than the hi power. it also came out three decades after the Hi power did.

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>>34068427
I don't actually know much about the cartridge honestly. Would a 10mm be about the same frame size as a 97B to maintain double stack and similar capacity? I assume that like .45 it's a bit too big to be fit into a 9mm frame.

I don't doubt that it's a better performing cartridge, I've heard great things. But I just put holes in paper so I'm not worried about it too much. I like the cheapness of 9mm and I'm already like 8 deep in $30 magazines so I'll probably stick to 9mm for my next couple of purchases, next one likely being a 75B SA.

>>34068372
>I didn't like the way it felt compared to my SP-01.

Small frame Tanfos have the same grip geometry, control locations, etc as a CZ. Should feel near identical in your hand, aside from weight balance.
Large frame Tanfos are wider in the grip area and feel different - but better than CZ97s imo

>>34068502
I don't disagree that they are not "clones" and that they are mechanically different but not entirely. They absolutely copied it's "essense". Grips held on by a single screw the same way, mechanically identical ejectors, similar mag releases, the slide extends past the frame the same amount and they're both narrowed at the chin. They copied it. Maybe not mechanically.

A better analogy would be how new rifles which have nothing to do with the AR-15 use the same control set on a similar lower. They copy that over, it's a copy. In this case it's just that they copied the basic platform of the gun then redesigned it mechanically into something better. CZ is like the alien monsters in a sci-fi movie.

>>34068519

In theory it would be about the same size as the P-09. I say this because you can modify the .40 S&W USP to shoot 10mm in double-stack and they are pretty much the same dimensions. I figure you could get 14 or 15 rounds with such a gun since the .40 version of the P-09 gets that many.

>>34068558
There were several other pistols in that era using that style of mag release, and extractors. Like I said, the only thing they copied was the general profile and the ergonomics, and even the ergonomics are different. The BHP is much slimmer than the 75. Saying "it's a copy" just isn't correct.

>>34068558
Its like saying the M&P 22 rifle is a "copy" of the AR-15 since it looks similar, when it's COMPLETELY different, just with a similar appearance.

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>>34068542
It's entirely possible it was a large frame. Idk honestly, it was so damn long ago. The one I handled wasn't in the best condition either so it might have had some issues with springs and whatnot, which would have fucked with my perception of how the controls felt.

Do the tanfo small frame pistols use the same magazines as the CZ 75 series? If I can continue to amass the same pile of mags then I might be interested in trying some of their stuff.

>>34068593
That's not so bad, a bit low for a doublestack but perfectly acceptable still. I wonder if it would even be able to just use the .40 mags? Not sure if the cartridges are close enough for that or not.

>>34063798
SA RAMI reporting.

>>34068605
It is correct.
It's not a clone but they copied the Browning when they made it.

Both are chambered for 9mm. (Later versions of both are also chambered in .40 S&W.)

Both were conceptualized for military use.

Both are similar in size & weight, with the CZ being slightly larger.

Both have a 1:10 twist.

Both utilize barrels with locking lugs, which is straight from John M. Browning.

Both are recoil operated.

Both have the mainspring below the barrel.

Neither uses a detachable barrel bushing.

Both pistols' grip panels are secured with one screw each.

Both have external hammers.

Both have thumb safeties.

Both are capable of cocked-and-locked carry.

Both use detachable double-stack magazines.

Both use external pivoting spring-loaded extractors, although the early Hi Powers used an internal one.

Both use pivoting triggers.

Both have a relatively few number of internal parts compared to some other designs.

Both guns have lightening cuts on the front of the slide. (Later versions of the CZ-75 do not.)

Both guns (CZ-75 Pre-B) use a slide stop retaining plate to secure the firing pin and spring.

Both guns use a push-button magazine release located at the rear of the trigger guard.

Both guns originally came with ring hammers. (The Hi Power and CZ-75 were produced with spur hammers for a number of years. CZ went back to an abbreviated ring hammer. The Hi Power used the old factory ring hammer in the Practical model.)

Both use a one-piece feed ramp.

Both have been copied and used outside of their respective nations of origin.

>>34068519

Also yes, you are right about the cheapness of the 9mm but you have to think about why 9mm is cheap, and why 10mm is expensive. It isn't because 10mm is some sort of magical cartridge that costs more to make. If you could get CZ to make a good 10mm, and people went out and bought it, and some other companies got onto this we might see 10mm's cost start to go down after an initial period of inflation as suppliers hurry to meet demand.

The reason why a lot of people want 10mm is because, in theory, it's the best cartridge for DGU. The amount of energy packaged into the cartridge is insane, and it outstrips both .45 and 9mm handily in terms of wound vectors and power being delivered. .40 S&W is just a compromised 10mm, which is why so many people don't like it. It has none of the pros of the calibre, but all of the cons. The other reason why we so many guns chambered in .40 S&W over 10mm is because it is weaker, it doesn't require making sturdier frames and thus it's cheaper to make - because you can just use your 9mm frame guns with a .40 S&W barrel, basically. The 10mm on the other hand is stupid powerful and will literally destroy your gun if it isn't built for it over time. Hence why we don't see so many Delta Elites and Bren Tens. The guns kept breaking, and no one wanted to invest the money to make a gun capable of handling the 10mm on top of being a genuinely good gun.

I could go out right now and buy a Glock in 10mm, but it's a fucking Glock. I don't want a Glock.

>>34065746
How many rounds have you put through the p10 total? And also what are the thread dimensions on the barrel and do you have light recommendations?

>>34068641

The round count is lower, true, but the 10mm's performance more than makes up for it. Ian does a pretty good job of explaining how powerful 10mm really is in his video on the Bren Ten.

>>34068711
I had put about 100 rounds through it the first day and 130 more on the second trip today. So I have 230 rounds. I also detail stripped and polished some stuff. The gun has had 2 malfunctions during that time which I attribute one to break in and the other to some funky re-manufactured ammo I was shooting. The magazine release also appears to be getting much better but man it was a bitch to use that first 100 rounds.
The gun does not have a threaded barrel and I do not recommend any lights.

>>34068739
I know I said 150 rounds on second trip but it was 100 round box and 2 magazines now that I recall so only 130, so 230 total.

>>34068697
I totally get the reasoning senpai I just don't have any interest in it for myself. Paper doesn't care what cartridge you shoot it with and even if you try to get into discussions about flatter trajectories and shit, I'm not at a skill level yet where it matters. But I can totally see the appeal, and if I actually carried then I'd definitely be considering a 10mm. Even though I have no skin in the game, I do hope the 10mm can become more popular since I see so many people wanting them. Fuck 40, it does nothing useful.

>I could go out right now and buy a Glock in 10mm, but it's a fucking Glock. I don't want a Glock.

You're my fucking spirit animal man. <3

>>34068735
Yeah honestly as long as it's still a reasonable capacity I think it's fine. 2 or 3 rounds isn't a big deal, so long as it doesn't dip to single stack numbers it's all good. Although, this is for full size pistols is it not? Seems like it'd be around 11-12 or so for a compact based on the I think 14 rounds for the compact 9's. Might be a bit low for some people but if it was offered to me I'd still be interested.

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>>34068739
First malfunction happened in first 60 or so rounds, failure to eject.
Second malfunction happened around the 150th or so and was a failure to go into battery but I blame that on the casing.

>>34068641
Same mags on small frame guns, yes. Many other parts too.

If you want a quick history lesson:
>CZ makes the CZ75
>CZ75 is stuck behind iron curtain
>Cooper raves about it and everyone wants them
>Tanfoglio makes the TZ75, basically a direct clone of the CZ75 pre-B
>CZ continues on their path and makes the CZ75B
>Tanfo goes on their own path and eventually ends up with what's today the Force/Witness

The designs diverged at the pre-B, so you're looking at about 20 years worth of them evolving into their own species, but you'll still find lots of parts interchange.

Tanfos will mix and match fine with most clones on the market, though. Most "CZ clones" are Tanfo designed - the Sphinx, Jericho, AR-24, etc

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Trading my 805 pistol barrel to a fella with a carbine barrel. Can't contain my excitement. Had no luck finding a carbine off the jump so I had to settle.

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>>34063678
Boy oh boy, I love CZ Threads

Waiting to get back to my guns and put my stock on my Scorpion Evo is suffering...

I think I'll order the stock, so it's there when I'm back.

>>34068778
very light target load btw. You can see the red tip in the bottom, not sure if it was one of those rounds or not as some of the mags were a little mixed. They're kind of light 115gr target loads that seemed really short, looked more like .380. I probably shouldn't have been shooting them in my gun but they guy at the gun store told me they were reputable licensed re-manufactured ammo and they were in a nice white box, labelled and cheap.
I'm going to stop posting now and go fuck off.
Have a wonderful night.

>>34068768

That is the case regarding capacity with full sized.

Although if you're appendix carrying, in theory you can just use anything you want. Something like the size of a RAMI would probably be around there in terms of the number of rounds. But I think if you were using basically a CZ-75 compact or something like it, I can't imagine why they couldn't make a mag capable of holding 14. I mean, the RAMI's non-flush mag contains 14, and it's only like half an inch longer than the flush fit. And the RAMI is god damn tiny.

>>34068739
Thanks for the reply. I plan on picking one up once the hype dies down.

>>34068768

Oh, right, and the reason why I want (and many 10mm fanboys) want this isn't for competition or something like that. It's for defensive gun use, and defensive gun use only. It hits all the right notes, and the trade offs aren't trade offs when you look at the two camps the 10mm is going up against, 9mm or .45 ACP.

>less capacity than 9mm, but more than .45
>smaller than .45, but larger than 9mm
>faster than 9mm and .45
>more energy being deliver than 9mm and .45
>greater range than 9mm and .45

Just grab some hollow points in 10mm, and you've basically got the perfect CC cartridge in existence. Not even guys completely lost in a bad PCP trip could ignore this shit. It can put down large game, and it isn't even some sort of wildcat/.500 AE retard shit with a 14" barrel revolver.

>>34068916
What are follow up shots?

>>34068947

Things anyone does in a DGU scenario?

I don't know Anon, what game are we playing here? 10mm fags like me want to maximize performance from CC pistols. We tend to use 9mm instead because it at least has the bonus of having more rounds to pop off than fuddy five.

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>>34068916
Honestly capacity is probably the only downside that actually matters, and 11 or 12 rounds in a compact pistol (assuming without a particularly extended baseplate) should be fine for most people. The power advantage seems like it would for sure be worth it.

>>34068947
Wat

>>34069002
>We tend to use 9mm instead because it at least has the bonus of having more rounds to pop off than fuddy five.
Yeah this has always been the sad thing about CCing. There's really only 2 options worth considering unless you need to go super fucking small, 9mm and .45. And since 45 will only let you roll like 9 rounds in a double-stack compact gun, compared to 14 in a 9mm, it's not worth considering. 10mm as you've said could have somewhere in between the two, and I don't think the disparity in capacity would be enough to count as a serious negative at that point because it's far more reasonable.

>>34068786
fuckin cool, thanks for the explanation mate. For parts that don't interchange, do you know if there's a strong aftermarket for Tanfo like what CZCustom and CGW offer in terms of parts?

>>34069220

That is literally what the RAMI I picked up looked like.

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>>34069267
soaked in best cleaning fluid? Because if anyone did that to a gun besides myself I probably would be worried about what kind of use that gun has seen.

>>34069300

Dude, it was so soaked. Just, so, so soaked. I had it checked out by a gunsmith/LGS guy I know to make sure I didn't get trikt, and he said it was literally brand new and didn't know why it was covered in (probably) CLP but not cleaned out.

>>34069353
Oh, yeah, that's probably just standard CZ grease. I think to prevent rust and shit in travel they just like drop everything in a vat of some shit and let it achieve maximum coverage because that stuff was everywhere when I got my SP-01. If you browse gunbroker a lot of the pictures of new guns will look fucky and the poster will clarify that it's just the shipping grease and not like scratches or anything in the finish. Personally I'm fine with it, it gives me that milsurp feel of cleaning cosmoline without having to buy a shitty garbagerod to clean it off of.

>>34068188
>Tanfo
the f is taht? link?

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>>34069621
Tanfoglio. They make CZ clones. Some of which are quite nice and actually beat CZ in terms of fit and finish.

>>34069641
cali cuck here a i am seriously considering that cz97... but now you fucked me... i don't know anymore...

>>34069778
>https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_1153_1796/products_id/48311/Hi-Point+CF-380+CF380+8+1+380ACP++P+3.5%22
fuck it i am just gonna buy one of these.

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>>34069814
It's all the same shit man. Just spend the money you saved on ammo.

>>34069831
hell yeah i agree. when i gtfo out commiefornia i will get a 75b

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>>34069857
If it says CZ, it's good enough for me.

>>34069814
You can triple click a line of text to highlight and then right click open in new tab. It's really cool and works really well unless some bozo decides to green text the link for no reason at all.

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>>34069892
sorry mynigga.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_1153_1796/products_id/48311/Hi-Point+CF-380+CF380+8+1+380ACP++P+3.5%22

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>>34069892
You can also just click the link, or right click and hit "open in new tab".

>>34069921
>pic
FUCK

>>34069921
I look at that picture and I can hear her whining about back problems.

>>34069942
what os are you running? t
>dat font render

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>>34069942

>>34069387

It wasn't. I bought it used (but essentially NIB), and the guy I got it off from had cleaned it days ago, and it still looked like it had been dropped in a bucket of cosmo.

>>34069220
>>34069002
Well you see now chilluns, some people(like almost every reputable source), think that relying on any handgun to stop an aggressor in one shot(who may have a gun himself) is a poor decision.

Not believing in things like magical KE TKOs they worry more about what round can be shot the quickist with acceptable accuracy while penetrating sufficiently

>>34070040

Which is .380 ACP.

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>>34069958
Win10. I have an ultrawide and haven't gotten around to unfucking the text size/scaling, among other things. It doesn't help that I have to zoom in to make shit readable while leaning back in my chair thanks to 3440x1440 making everything small.

>>34069967
Either you're using a shit browser or you might need the 4chan-X extension to make the links work like that. Not sure, haven't browsed without the extension in too long to remember if it does that for me.

>>34070018
Lol that dude should chill out with the CLP then. At least you dont have to worry about him letting it go without.

>>34070040
Cool story bud.

>>34069952
Am i the only one who sees no appeal in large breasts

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>>34070134
I prefer flat as a board but I can appreciate pretty much all options.

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Contributing

>>34070058
>doesn't penetrate deep enough to reliably reach deep vessels or CNS with expanding rounds

I said penetrates sufficiently.

>>34070101
Cool argument bud.

>>34070146
For me its between anything bigger than absolute flatness and low Cs

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>>34070197

Most engagements occur at 7 yards or less, .380 ACP is more than adequate for this range. And besides, all we are really worried about is number of rounds and consecutive shot placement, right? So why would you use anything else?

>>34069220
>do you know if there's a strong aftermarket for Tanfo like what CZCustom and CGW offer in terms of parts?
There is some aftermarket, but it's mostly race gun oriented. I haven't looked much into who offers what for that.
EAA offers some pieces like Ambi and extended safeties.
Wolff has all the springs you could ever want - a stronger recoil spring is a common recommendation.
Small frames take CZ grips and mags.

The only thing I find lacking for Tanfo aftermarket is holster selection, pretty much.

>>34069778
I prefer Tanfo large frames to the CZ97, but both are exceptional. Smaller hands will probably prefer Tanfo, larger the CZ.
Tanfo's cheaper, and has plenty of conversion kits available for the large frame, including .22lr, unlike the CZ-97.
The CZ-97, though, comes from the factory with a barrel bushing to keep the barrel nice and tight in the slide - Tanfos don't. I wish it's something that both CZ and Tanfo would roll out across the entire board.

I doubt you'll find both side by side in a gun store, but try to get your hands on both before picking one over the other. Unlike the 75 and Tanfo small frame, they have significantly different feel in the hand.

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>>34070040
>>34070197
>Well you see now chilluns
Were we supposed to take you seriously after this?

>some people(like almost every reputable source), think that relying on any handgun to stop an aggressor in one shot(who may have a gun himself) is a poor decision.
This is about as groundbreaking as the notion that shooting them at all is probably a good idea.

>they worry more about what round can be shot the quickist with acceptable accuracy while penetrating sufficiently
And different people have different ideas of what they consider "acceptable" or "sufficient". I probably wont buy a semiautomatic handgun in anything other than 9mm, but I don't think other people are wrong for choosing something else. If they want to sacrifice like 2 rounds of capacity for a substantial boost in power, that's their call. Either option will work fine. It's not like we're talking about .22lr vs 500 S&W, the difference between 9mm and 10mm isn't going to be enough to be the deciding factor between life and death for the person using them.

Anyway here's a (you) since you need attention.

after a couple months of deliberating on the scorpion I handled one inna lgs and I think I'm going to order tomorrow. anyone have one? do you like it? I'm planning on changing the grip, safety selector, charging handle, and adding an sbtevo brace. not sure about the trigger

>>34070223
>only loads that reach ideal 14-16" of penetration or greater are FMJ
>Infamous for penetrating in a nonlinear fashion and deflecting off bone

I SAID PENETRATES SUFFICIENTLY

>>34070311>>34070311

1. why would you take anybody on this indian goat trading forum seriously?

2. Unfortunately there's a sucker born every minute.

3. I'd love some great examples of how 10mm and .45 are inherently more accurate than 9mm to a noticeable degree.

Fact of the matter is with the same training you're going to be noticeably and measurably faster with a 9mm than a 10mm.

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>>34070400
>3. I'd love some great examples of how 10mm and .45 are inherently more accurate than 9mm to a noticeable degree.
I didn't discuss accuracy at any point. I made a general statement that what you consider "good enough" isn't going to be the exact same as what someone else considers "good enough". This applies to every aspect of a gun.

>Fact of the matter is with the same training you're going to be noticeably and measurably faster with a 9mm than a 10mm.
Great! I'm glad to hear that you like the cartridge you chose.

Seriously, if you feel this compelled to defend what is I'm sure the most common CC cartridge by a long shot on a general thread that isn't even about CCing, shouldn't you be over in the revolver general autistically screeching at them about capacity and split times between shots?

>>34070474
1.yes you did, you quoted where i spoke of acceptable accuracy and then said that that people have a different definition of acceptable. This i what most would consider discussing accuracy.

Just face it, .45 and 10mm don't offer any tangible benefits over 9mm when talking about handgun SD chamberings while 9mm does offer benefits over them.

2. Please, I carry 7.62 tokarev or .45.


3.Nah, .357 mag is just in a whole other league than 9mm.

>>34064669
Do you have any problems with the thread protector coming off your muzzle? Heard stories of it happening to people, was wondering if I should put some non permanent loctite on it while I'm not using a can

>>34066825
Why not just get a new trigger?

>>34067352
>>34067374
>>34067419
How durable is the polycoat finish? Looking to buy my first CZ pistol soon, but now I'm concerned about the finish. Only thing I gave to compare it to is my Gen 3 Glock 17, it"s one of the "newer" ones with the gray colored slide instead of the original glossy black slide.

>>34067471
I've never used GB before, if it is listed on there, does it mean the seller has it in stock? I don't want to buy something only to find I have to wait on a back order.

Thanks in advance gang!

>>34070058
A cartridge with mediocre ammo choices and mediocre guns. If someone made a subcompact duty gun like a modern P7M13 in .380 and they found a way to make reliable +P JHPs for it, .380 might be a contender.

>>34063678
Boutta get a scorpion carbine myself. Pretty hyped

My cz shoots low (or i don't know how to aim), so i tried replacing the rear sight.
Bought a brass punch and everything.
Punch broke. How the fuck do you replace the sight to this thing?

>>34072122
>How durable is the polycoat finish? Looking to buy my first CZ pistol soon, but now I'm concerned about the finish.
Very. Under the finish is some kind of parkerizing too. It takes soaking in harsh stripper to get that finish off. I had a surplus one that was beat to shit in some 3rd world hell hole for over 20 years with soldiers literally beating the take down pin out with the magazine plate, like just bashing it with a metal plate. I'll try to find a picture.

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>>34073303
Here, if you let your untrained military/police abuse it for 20 years and band the takedown out with god knows what for 20 years, this is what it'll look like.
>1 full mag @ 10 yards

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Best cz incoming

>>34073358
You're gonna carry that weight.

>>34073303
>>34073330
Ah ok that makes me feel alot better.

>>34073947
I chuckled a little.>>34074001

>>34074092
Disregard the other post number.

>>34063824
Nice Sphinx.

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>>34073947
Speaking of which, anyone want to recommend some good holsters for these pistols and the cz75b?

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>>34068372
bruv

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hey, I started saving for a cz scorpion carbine. they're 1000 bucks so I'll be pretty close to retail in about 19 more paychecks. what do you dudes think?

>>34076229

You can't go wrong with a Scorpion.

>>34076229
i love the damn thing.
all i have is a shitty kel tec that barely works.
personally, i probably wouldn't even SBR one, just get a decent sling

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>>34063678
What are the basics in making a race gun? I'm thinking of getting an SP-01 Tactical

>>34076229
Make better life choices so you can save money quicker and buy more guns. Only saving ~50$ a check is pitiful.

>>34076268
I want the carbine version that comes with 16.2" barrel and a stock. I've already got a cz-75 SP-01. had it since about december and probably less than 200 rounds put thru it so far.

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I keep seeing these in gun broker.
So tempting.

>>34076321
Buy a shadow 1 or 2.

And ur done

>>34076358
But I want decocker

>>34076324
yeah its sad, I guess but I'm making other payments on other things as well. perhaps I could double up here and there once I start paying other things off. in the meantime I can wait, I've only got the one sp-01. which is a lot of fun.

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Totally forgot to check back in on replies yesterday, so here I am.

>>34064736
The P-09 feels awesome. I have smaller hands and I still feel like I get a good grip on the frame. Being larger and heavier leads to less recoil impulse and slightly better accuracy thanks to the sight radius.

>>34066744
Yeah, as >>34067281 said its a TLR-3. Its an older model as it doesn't have the silver ring on the lens cap.

>>34072122
My thread protector does loosen up after shooting some. If I'm at a match, I either crank on it with my fingers before a stage or just remove it entirely.

I may wind up replacing them but I haven't had a big enough issue to be fucked with it at this point.

also have a funny photo you czechnology bros

>>34076371
>But I want decocker
Then you really don't want a race gun then.

Regardless, it's far easier just to buy CZs competition offerings vs. trying to make a stock sp-01 into one.
You will never get a sp-01 slide to be as tight as a shadow without serious gunsmithing.

>>34063678
Canik or tangfolio really need to make a fucking cz2075 clone with a threaded barrel.

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>>34063678
I want a CZ-75 Sport Tactical so badly. The colors alone turn my dick into a diamond.

>>34078130
*I meant Tactical Sport, d'oh

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>>34078130

LGS near me put one out for sale today

This was literally my face when I saw it. And then in my head Death Heated started playing.

>I WANT IT I I NEED IT

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>>34063678

You probably get this question every thread but I got ask.

Is the VZ2008 any good.

I'm deciding between that a WASR and a DSA Voyager

>>34080977
I just bought a VZ2008. It's a Century product, not really what I would consider CZ USA. The WASR is the way to go. Sure the VZ is a milled receiver, unique in the states, lightweight and perfectly accurate nice rifle but it does not have any interchangeable parts with an AK, including the magazines.
The ease of buying magazines alone, and quality of magazines is enough that I would recommend the AK over it to most people. However, the AK also handles dirt better, has more sight options and you're less likely to ride the bolt. With the VZ, it's not a big deal, but it's very easy to not pull the bolt all the way back, or ride the bolt and then it causes a jam. You have to be careful to pull it all the way back and release it when you load the gun.
>AK handles dirt better
>AK has better aftermarket and magazines
>AK is less prone to riding the bolt
>VZ has a cool short stroke piston design
>VZ stays a little cleaner under normal use
>VZ had that nice snowflake quality
>VZ is probably a little more accurate, maybe.
I would get the AK.

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>>34078130
they don't look that well anymore when they're 15 years old

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The cgw hammer really eliminates a lot of the gritty trigger and the break in SA is lighter, but not too light for carry.
Just need the silver cz85 trigger to pair it wiith silver hammer and silver grip screw. If only they make a Nonthreaded SS barrel.

>>34077995
I just want a threaded barrel for my 2075. Fuck clones.

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Here's mine. Currently away getting the trigger replaced right now though. Plus I forgot to take a picture after I actually sealed and stained the grip but oh well, can't wait until I can see it finished.