/PSG/ Precision Shooting General

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>>34057624

Any other dedicated precision ARs out there?

Need recommendations on a rifle and scope.
Target ranges 100yds-800yds.
308 or similar cartridge preferred.
Scope preferred, Mil-dot.
Thanks for replies.

>>34057638
what barrel?

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>>34057696

Shaw 24" Stainless Bull Barrel, 5.56 chamber, 1/8 twist.

>>34057667

The RPR is great, but I also like my Mossberg MVP LC for taking pmags.

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M39 bump

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is a heavy barrel worth it? how many more shots can i do with a heavy barrel before it gets hot? i really want a tikka t3 hunter for long range shooting bc it looks nice but it doesnt have a heavy barrel

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>>34058237

Depends on caliber and how fast you shoot. My 300WM opens up quickly, even with a sendero profile fluted barrel.

>>34058320
i will probably get one in a .308. looking for a rifle that i can use for both hunting and long range shooting

>>34058355

Get a Remington 700 AAC in 308, and drop it into a Magpul Hunter stock. It's a great combo.

>>34057667

Budget? Im new af to precision shooting but my swfa SS scopes have been perfect so far.

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>>34057624

i kinda wish all bolt guns were bullpups so i could actually justify carrying a 24" barrel rifle around on my back ontop of all my backpacking stuff

>>34058746

With hand loaders being as crazy as they are, it's only a matter of time until someone KBs one of those and loses their face.

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>>34057717
Hey another LSS guy. I'm putting a magpul UBR this friday.
What barrel/action are you using?

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>>34058938

Mossberg MVP, it's compatible with DPMS pattern 308 mags in the LSS chassis. It's awesome, I like them so much more than AI pattern.

Do you have a Howa? Those rifles are amazing. I had one that I put in a B&C stock, and it was a great shooter.

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>>34058938
>>34058976

Pic of Pmags in MVP LC.

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>>34058976
Yeah, it's the varmint barrel Howa 1500 24" in .308 and I love it.
I'm using AICS mags (which i regret), I had to file 2 little divets in the bottom of the action to get the mags to lock. I should've just gotten pmags or the MDT mags, but I'm a sucker for metal.

Any recommendations for someone limited to a 200 yard range? I want a boltgun in a common centerfire caliber and optic for more relaxed target shooting and want to keep the package sub 1k

>>34059227

See: >>34058406

You'll be plenty pleased.

>>34059185

I had the 20" Targetmaster, I loved how it shot but the legacy sports magazines were pretty awful.

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>>34057717
i posted>>34057667
can you tell me what you do/don't like abouut the rpr/mvp, do like the mag option.

>>34058423
round 1k for glass/rifle, seeing the price of what you mentioned I might change it up a bit.

>>34059319

The rear of the bolt is kind of ugly. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with it. The action is a Savage clone, down to the accutrigger, but it has a Remington style safety.

The ONLY down side is that it's difficult to load a single round through the ejection port, since the follower on a pmag stops the bolt from closing.

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R8 my long range/precision raifu:
Rem M700LR in .300 RUM, B&C stock, Burris XTR 2 8-40x50 on a +20 moa base. Probably will be getting a bipod soon, any recommendations?
I wanted something that could kill things from far away, total cost was about $2000.

>>34059319
>>34059345

>it's difficult to load a single round through the ejection port

What you have to do is make sure the round seats in the mag.

But since it's so easy and fast to change the mags, it's not much of a down side.

The barrel is short, stout, and fluted (as is the bolt) and the bolt knob is enlarged and well portioned.

>>34059363

>R700LR

I have a friend who just dropped one of those into a magpul stock. He's waiting for his dies to load for it and shoot it.

What kind of accuracy do you get out of it? How fast does it heat up?

His is in 300WM.

>>34057624
Im wanna into PS without breaking bank whats a good set up, would a Tikka T3 in 308?

>>34059454

It'll certainly be accurate, but only until the barrel gets hot.

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>>34059398
I got it put together just recently, haven't gotten to shoot it much yet.
Pic is my best group at 300 yards, the big squares are 1 inch.
I've been taking the shots pretty slow since the rum is a notorious barrel burner, probably haven't averaged more than 1 shot every 2 or 3 mins and cleaning the barrel every 5 shots or so. I'm not sure how fast it would heat up if I was shooting quicker.

>>34057624
Good to see you're still around Paths.

>>34059319
I have the SWFA SS 3-15x42 on >>34058938 and it's an excellent scope for the money, I bought it on sale for ~$510 when it's usually $700.

However, the SWFA SS 10x42 is a cheaper alternative and it's quite good as well. $300 and it's fixed power, but frankly I rarely switch between magnifications anyway.
https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope.html

>>34059454
Might want to consider 6.5 Creedmoor instead of .308. Match .308 is about the same price as 6.5 and you get much better performance past 800 yards.

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I swear I'm actually going to go shooting this weekend. Been loading up Nosler's RDF 140's with RL 16 in some Lapua brass. Seems like the BC of the bullet and velocity/temp-insensitivity of the powder are going to make this a real zinger.

do any of u guys reload? if so what rounds and whats ur price per round

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My howa 1500 in 6.5

I am only a consistent 2 moa shooter at 500 dping 6 shot groups. I manage some 1.2 moa sometimes.

Im using hornady 140 factory ammo.

I havent worked up a hand load yet.

Under 300 i am 1.5 moa all day.

I need more trigger time

>>34060080
I reload
9mm, 357/38spl, 40sw, 45acp, 223, 300blk, 6.5 creedmoor, 308, 8mm, 8x56r hunn, 300 win, and 12gage.

My most expensive is the 8x55 hun because of brass price.
9mm, 38 and 300blk are my cheapest because i cast for them.

My 6.5 crredmoor is $1.15 for the first shot (new brass) and about $.45 every reload after using sierra 140 match kings, or berger vld

>>34060177
what's your ppr for .308?

>>34060080
6.5CM

Brass: $1.10 (Lapua)
Powder: $0.13
Bullet: $0.25
Primer: $0.04

Hoping to get >15 uses out of the brass (neck sizing and small rifle primer pockets), so about $0.50/shot...?

>>34060117
>I need more trigger time
x1000 for me.

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>>34059345
>>34059369
Right on good to know. Does it have the same Rem safety problems?
>>34059614
I saw that $300 with a quick search, thanks that opens up more options.

I'm looking to build a 6.5 AR-15 for precision. Aside from free-floating and the trigger, what's the most important components for accuracy?
My guess was the BCG and barrel.

>>34060194
I use surplus brass and factory 2nds ( live near sierra) for my 308 reloads. I dont have a precision 308.

But my 308 reloads are $ .30

>>34060226
On an ar-15.
Barrel
Free float
Optics

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>>34057624
My rifle

>Savage Model 10 FCP-SR in. 308
>Strike Industries King Comp
>Choate Tactical stock
>Harris 3-9"
>Vortex Viper 4-16x44 HS-T
>Warne Tactical mid height rings

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>>34060533
I'm usually a 1.5" pleb, but the rifle is better than I expected for what I paid

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>>34060533
And my M1

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>>34060613
And my first group ever with my M1

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>>34060533
Fuck, I screwed up the length on my bipod, whatever you guys know what I meant.

Other rifle
>CZ455 Tacticool .22lr
>Boyd's stock
>Cadwell bipod
>SWFA SS 10x
>Warne Tactical rings

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>>34060771
Best so far, 5 shots of CCI mini mags at 100yds

>>34060771
>>34060785
Try it with target ammo, like 40gr at 1080ft/s from Eley or CCI Green Tag, that sort of thing.

Poorfag here, my main rifle is a 18 inch stainless barrel ruger gunsite with flash hider and wooden laminate furniture. Should I trade it in for the newer 16 inch black barrel, with polymer furniture and muzzle break. Rifle is for bugout, pls no bulli

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Here is my budget bolt action...

> Remington 700 ADL Varmint .308 26" 1-12 twist
> Magpul Hunter Stock and Magwell
> Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 PA
> Harris Bipod

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My AR SPR build

> Spikes Upper and Lower Receiver
> Ballistic Advantage 18" .223 Wylde SPR Stainless Steel Rifle Length AR 15 Barrel w/ Ops 12, Premium Series
> Ballistic BCG and Gas block
> Surefire Procomp
> Spikes LPK with ALG trigger
> Magpul PRS and MIAD grip

not in the picture
Vortex Viper 2.5-10x44
(need to buy scope mount and bipod mount)

>>34061679
Shit, forgot
> Larue Tactical 12" Handguard

>>34059727
Try Reloader 17 and hornady eld m 147's. Fed match 210 Primers. should be able to get 2700 out of it.

>>34060117
easiest trigger time is dry fire in your bedroom, and it costs much less. With that swfa you can bring the focus in at either 6/10m so you should be able to put up a target and just do trigger drills in your spare time.

>>34057624
Why are Remington 700 stocks and "chassis" so overpriced?

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>>34060226
a bolt that won't break would help too

>>34062281
supply and demand...
> Law Enforcement and Military use this
> People want to use what they used, what they have
> Remington overprices their rifle
> Companies overprice their products
> they get out money
> we get something mediocre for the price, and have to pay aftermarket products to make it better.

>>34057667
I have a fnar with a leupold vx-3 6.5-20 varmint scope on it.

It's pretty awesome.

>>34062281
Used to be the only decent starting point for a long range rifle. You still had to sink a lot of $ into it, get a gunsmith to work it over, remove the stock, barrel, and trigger. Nowadays with Tikka, Ruger, Savage, and Howard becoming popular while Rem going down the shitter, people are starting to look elsewhere.

>>34060583
>>34060622
What program do you use for the moa calc?

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>>34060200

>Does it have the same Rem safety problems?

No not at all, they just positioned the lever in the same place

>>34059537

Pretty solid performance

>>34059613

Thanks

>>34060533

Those HS-T Vortex scopes are great for the money. I use a 4-16x44 on my hunting rig in 300WM.

>>34061679

>need to buy scope mount and bipod mount

Buy my ADM Recon-X I'm selling.

>>34062281

Name and branding. You can meet or exceed Remington accuracy and quality with Savage, Howa, hell even Mossberg rifles now.

>>34059227
Another good way to go would be the Mossberg mvp in 5.56. it's not going to be laser accurate, but for less than 1k glass included you'll get a solid shooter out to 200yds in a cheap and easy to shoot cartridge. I'd be careful with Remington, their qc is fucking garbage

>>34059454
What these two said
>>34059506
>>34059723

The tikka's will start to string out but there are kits available for a better receiver bedding. You will get an accurate and smooth rifle for relatively cheap and 6.5 is a great way to go

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Bergara BPR-17 6.5 CM in an element chassis with a Harris bipod, JP competition slim muzzle break and Leupold mark 4 20x mildot.

She's boringly accurate

>>34057638
That's so sexy

someone post psg resource stickeys please? new to psg and plan to start with savage axis .308 for budget

>all this time and reading
>still dont understand big differences in .308 and 30.06
>only real difference that stacks up seems to be weight

>>34065536
>axis
No, get the 10T from Cabelas.

Also, 30-06 has more case capacity, so you can put more powder in it or use a longer bullet. The down side is less consistent piwder burn at lower charge weights.

R8:

Savage FLCP-SR 24" .308 Win $600
Sig Tango4 3-12x42 MRAD $750
Seekins Precision 30mm Scope Rings $122
Accurate Mag Savage Short Action Bottom Metal Kit $175
Harris S-BRM Bipod $100
Bipod S-Lock $15

Is there any better option in the same price range? Looking specifically for a lefty rifle with threaded barrel.

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I got one of these.

Can I join the clique?

g-guys?

>>34065794
Back to arg, filth.

>>34064822
Did you get a plug for that ergo grip? I bought one and it's arriving soon, but I hate open bottom grips.

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>>34065801
Wow, but I have other """""""precision""""""" stuff too pls

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>>34063607
>No not at all, they just positioned the lever in the same place

Good to know, thanks.

>>34060583
What program is that

>>34066520
I didn't. The open bottom grip doesn't really bother me so I left it as it

>>34066574
How do you like the Boyd's stock on your savage? Show us some groups you Gucci faggot!

>>34066753
>>34063340
On Target

>>34063607
>Those HS-T Vortex scopes are great for the money
Fuck yeah, I only paid $260 for mine, how do you like your 4-16x44?

>>34058133
How do ppl shoot past 50 meters with m39? Do I just suck?

I consider myself an extremely proficient shot, but I don't see how it can be easy to shoot past 100 yards. Maybe it's the way my range is laid out? I get the feeling the angling is off, creating a sort of optical illusion. Also me and my pals I shoot with do not have a high end scope stand, just shitty binoculars.

>>34067525
>How do ppl shoot past 50 meters with m39?
Uhh...

>I consider myself an extremely proficient shot
Apparently not

>Do I just suck?
Signs point to yes, how the fuck is shooting a rifle past 100 hard?

Selling my house this year, and if everything goes right im going to be making a call to mike at tac ops to build me a rifle. Probably a Tango(custom mcmillan remington varminter stock) or Sierra(mcmillan m40a1 stock). Most likely going with a 20inch but going to ask if his 18in barrels can make it out to 1000yd under 10in. My current set up maxes out to 870~ before crapping out on me accuracy wise(18in groups are the best the rifle is capable of). I would like to touch 1000 without being anal with my reloads, and tac ops rifles are .25moa with factory fed gold medal match. This is one of those holy grail type guns for me, and its a 1-2 year wait so i dont mind for quality.

I doubt it, but any anons have experience with these rifles?

>>34064822
I also have the xlr element chassis, but on a rem 700 sps aac with a swfa 10xhd. I like mine, except for the damn folding stock always swinging loose. I wish it had a lock or had some resistance.

>>34067381
>on target
Hold up, is this a buy once thing or a subscription thing?

>>34067525
Dude I know Mosins can vary in quality quite a bit, but even as a complete novice shooter with a $100 beat to shit pawn store 91/30 I was able to hit an 8" gong consistently at 100m...check your sights, or just keep practicing I guess

>>34067673
I think my targets are just too small perhaps. If you tried it using my conditions you may have a hard time too.

Then again I don't shoot often enough, and when I use the m39 it's usually 20 rounds at a time. I think i'll put more rounds per session. It is a lovely rifle and very fun to shoot.

>>34067915
Yeah I mean i haven't gone often enough I think, also I just shoot paper and for grouping.

I oughta just be satisfied hitting small man size grouping. I wish I was able to plink at my range, it seems way more fun than paper targets.

>>34067740
Buy once, or get all your targets together and download the 10 day free trial and do them all at once.

>>34067932
>If you tried it using my conditions you may have a hard time too.
What 'conditions'? Are you sure it's not just a shit rifle? Do you just suck with irons.

>>34067699
i can get .25moa with factory Rem Premier 175smk thru my bolt gun and it only took 2 days to get to my dealer. AIAT with an aftermarket bbl chambered by stuteville precision.

Now if you just want the gun because of the e-peen status then by all means. Ive never heard anything bad besides the wait. I didnt go with a custom cause I just dont have the patience for that. I can barely stand the 6-10 mo wait for my suppressors much less 2 yrs.

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>>34067381

>how do you like your 4-16x44?

I miss the subtensions being numbered, and all the other text when compared to an etched reticle. And I miss FFP even more. But for the money, the HS-T is great. I use it for hunting.

>>34067525

The sights are calibrated for heavy ball.

If you're using spam can light ball, it's not going to be zero'd properly. Also, light ball consistency is SHIT. Worse than Tulammo or Wolf.

>>34067699

That's pretty far out of my league, but there are factory guns these days that approach that accuracy. Tikka, Savage, even Remington; obviously not the bog standard rifles. Custom gun smiths are really losing ground to modern CNC machining.

Glass will be equally important, and something like that deserves a S&B in my opinion.

>but if it were mine, you know'd I'd top it off with Vortex.

>>34065536

>someone post psg resource stickeys please

/PSG/ doesn't have all the accommodations of the other Generals. The thread goes up MAYBE once every month or 2.

It gets more popular in the summer when everyone is getting into their local sniper challenge and F-Class matches. Then it carries a little momentum into deer season, and disappears until the next summer.

>>34066574

Is that Rem 700 on the bottom a Police model?

It has the look and the right stock.

>>34057667
SWFA SS 10x42
try 6,5 creedmore, 7RM, 7 RUM, 7-08rem.
308 is ok but if you want to go for longer ranger , it may reachs subsonic speed around 900yards

>>34057667

Good advice here:

>>34068136

308 will get you to 800 yds, and you can get cheap NATO spec plinking ammo at Walmart for $10/box.

If plinking isn't your thing though, and you only want to do precision shooting, then the more boutique calibers are more optimal. To be fair, most of them are barrel burners though, esp 6.5 Creedmoor, so you wouldn't want to plink with it (another pro for 308).

My mix of calibers for precision are:

5.56 NATO for ~500 yds and in (though it isn't trans sonic until 900+ wind is a bitch at those ranges)

308 for ~900 yards and in.

300 Win Mag out to 1 mile.

6.5 is better than 308, but I have all my bases covered already so I've stayed away from it.

>>34058237
I had a hunting rifle before I went for a bull barrel, my light barrel allowed me to go for 2 shots and then wait for 5 minutes (in spring).
With my new rifle I don't give a fuck now, I can go for a 100rounds session in 2h with no change on my groups, even if the barrel is hot.

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>>34068041
Not even sure what company, bought it like 2 years ago haha. Think tilapia, just not spam can.

Any good?

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>>34067381
The Boyd's Tacticool/Varmint Pro for the Mark II looks and feels awesome but it's a bit flimsy where it counts. If you search you can find some instances of breakage between the magwell and trigger guard. I filled the whole middle area up with tons of JB Weld and aluminum pillars, pic related.

I don't have pics of groups but it's about a 1.5 MOA rifle as shot at 50y and 100y. Not bad considering how shockingly cheap they are.

>>34068135
Yes, but the lighting is hiding the flutes, it's a 700P LTR threaded.

>>34057667
Another vote for SWAF SS 10x. Excellent scope for the money.

>>34068245
...meant *tula

>>34059537
Dude , why cleaning ? its the worst thing you could do to your rifle.
copper and powder residue on contrary protect the bore.

>>34068245

Yeah, that's light ball.

Heavy Ball is 182 gr and has a yellow tip.

PRVI makes some match 180 gr as well. It's not cheap though.

>>34068253

Slick. That's a greasy looking bedding job though. A good smith would have milled out all the extra.

>>34068308
It's garbo, but it's just a .22 and the pillars are solid enough that it won't flex anymore. I wanted to go back and redo it but then I remembered I'm Burt.

>>34068308
Thanks for the tip, maybe I'll look for that cartridge.

Also one question, does shooting 148 gr. as opposed to, say 203 gr., save wear any on a rifle? Reasoning being a somewhat lighter round.

>>34058133
>Precision shooting
>With a nugget
I understand it's a Finnugget, but really?

>>34058976
How are weatherbys? Is .375 H&H a meme?

>>34068077
Ya, a custom rifle has been out of my league for years until now. Like i said im selling my house so im gonna have 20k to blow on dream stuff. One of which is the rifle. Ever since i saw a colleague shoot a 5 inch group at 800yds with factory ammo, i was sold. Right now I have a rem 700 in a chassis that wont hit smaller than 18in at 870~.

>>34068013
Ya this is a dream gun, which is the main reason im getting it, I just have the money right now to pull the triggerand get an heirloom class rifle. I already got a bunch of good shit on the way like a pristine colt 1903, ordered a custom colt SAA in 45acp with ivory grips from factory, and upgraded my AR and M1A with some gucci shit.

>>34068362

>does shooting 148 gr. as opposed to, say 203 gr., save wear any on a rifle? Reasoning being a somewhat lighter round.

Not in a measurable or appreciable way. If anything, it probably wears it faster with a lighter bullet.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ppu-match-762x54r-fmj-182-grain-20-rounds?a=1564597

>>34068388

That's a ~1 MOA rifle with match ammo. There's nothing inherently INACCURATE about the nugget action. The Ruskies were just shit at QA/QC.

The Finns put excellent barrels on them and much better, tighter stocks, as well as a decent 2 stage 3.5# trigger. It's a world apart from a bog standard 91/30.

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>Sako Trg 22 in 308
>26 inc barrel 1-11 twist
>S&B PMII 5-25

>>34068412

My $.02 on glass is a S&B 5-25 PM II with a TREMOR 3 or H59 reticle.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/183151/schmidt-and-bender-pm-ii-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-5-25x-56mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-double-turn-mtc-locking-turret-zero-stop-side-focus-first-focal-illuminated-reticle-black?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Optics%20-%20Scopes%20-%2012X%20and%20Greater-_-Schmidt%20%26%20Bender-_-183151&gclid=CjwKEAjwgZrJBRDS38GH1Kv_vGYSJAD8j4Df_lbEdNNMxRepceZaYcwOsgp9XJ7icGxd9jt4mB9EEhoCKGfw_wcB

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>>34068472
>>34068476

>post about scope
>literally a pic of that scope posted while I was still typing

>>34068486
I just have the p4l reticle tho.. still very effective

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>>34068416
Appreciate ur help bud

I'm thinking about getting a precision rifle. I'm debating between a Howa 1500 and a Tikka T3. I'm not sure whether to have it chambered in .300 Win Mag or 6.5 CM. Google doesn't really help, so any feedback would be appreciated.

>>34069294
It is a toss up between yhe howa and the tikka . Both are great, both have great chassis options.

Caliber, go 6.5. Unless your hunting elk at 1200yrds 300winmag is just a harder recoiling, more expensive, barrel burner.

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>>34057638

>>34067736
Luckily I don't have the folding stock. Don't actually know why anyone would go for it if they had the option. I am alittle upset they have their own proprietary buffer tube size though, so I can't switch out the stock for any of the many available options with a normal buffer tube.

>>34059537
You really shouldn't be cleaning your barrel so often. It'll hurt your accuracy more than help it. Your barrel will let you know when it needs to be cleaned, and if you're shooting match grade stuff it's DEFINITELY not every 5 rounds

>>34069294
tikka ctr 24" 6.5 creed. whittaker guns usually has them in for $820.

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>>34057624
Say I bought a Gondolanugget.

Any advice on accurate '54r?
Good loads and sources for '54r brass?
Suggestions on long ranges in the north Alabama/southern Tennessee area?

Pic not related obviously.

>>34069374
>>34069757
I appreciate the replies, I'll definitely go with 6.5 CM. However I'm still kind of in a toss up over the rifle, what's this I'm hearing about tikkas opening up after a few shots? Do they heat up faster than other brands of rifles? The only bolt guns I have right now are my Rem 710 for durr, and an M39 that I regretfully impulse bought.

>>34069941
No, the problem with tikka's stringing out is because of the aluminum bedding block they use.it heats up and expands really quickly and opens up your shots. Luckily there are cheap upgrades available, or if you get a new stock for it you don't have to worry about it at all

Anyone have any hands on experience with Zeiss V8 line?

>>34070012
IIRC T3X line has a steel one

The stocks kind of suck though so I would buy a chassis or Manners for it

>>34070012
>>34070063
Thanks for the quick replies. I think I'm going with a tikka. /PSG/ Is best general.

>>34068195
I go a bit further with my setups.

18" 556 SPR is good to 800
24" RPR 6.5 147gr to 1500.

338 lp is on the wish list for 1.4 mile.

>>34069612
barrel cover?
stock?

>>34069941

A Howa 1500 will come from the factory with a pinned barrel and milled recoil lug integrated into the receiver. Mechanically its accuracy potential is higher than the washer-style recoil lugs like a Remington or Savage.
My Howa 1500 Targetmaster shot great, I recommend it, as it is affordable and comes in 6.5CM.

You can buy a factory barreled action and drop it into a Bell and Carlson stock or MDT chassis yourself easy enough, or a factory package:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_280/products_id/21017/Howa+HCRL92502+HCR+Rifle+Bolt+6.5+Creedmoor+24+10+1+Luth+AR+Stk+Black

looking to spend around 1300 on a scope, any recommendations? Was thinking a Nightforce 5-20x56 SHV would be a good option but im open to any input.

>>34070570

Bushnell's G2DMR is a great reticle

http://bushnell.com/tactical/riflescopes/elite-tactical/dmr-3-5-21x-50mm-g2dmr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bushnell-Elite-Tactical-DMR-Rifle-Scope-34mm-Tube-3-5-21x-50mm-Side-Focus-G2-/322497791097?hash=item4b165dc479:g:ebQAAOSwx6pYte~z

So I'm thinking about getting into precision shooting. I'm looking at a Ruger American to practice with, because I don't want to drop a lot of money on a nice rifle, then shoot out the barrel trying to get good at long range. Would it be better to learn using .308 or 6.5 CM?

>>34057638
Just put mine together. Got a Mega receiver set, krieger m110 profile SS barrel, Geisele DMR trigger, and Aero BCG. Waiting on the cleaning kit to arrive so I can properly clean it and break it in.

>>34070700
I think barrel life is an overblown consideration in most cases. The cost of a new barrel pales in comparison to the cost of the ammo required to shoot a barrel out.

Worst case scenario, you'd be needing to replace a 6.5CM barrel after 3000 rounds. At ~$1.30/round, that's $3,900. If you've spent $3,900 on ammo, how much does $300-400 more for a new barrel really matter?

That said, you can find 168 grain FGMM .308 for basically $1/round most of the time, and over 3,000+ rounds that adds up to $900 savings over the same round count. And you'd still have quite a bit of barrel life left afterward.

tl;dr .308 is more economical

Thinking about getting a precision rifle- can ya'll make some recommendations?
- currently own a 308 ruger american and a cz455 with scope
- 99% of shooting within 200 yards

Was thinking about making a custom savage build or buying a ruger precision. OR should I just stick to target shooting on the cz455?

>>34070443
just a simple camo wrap over the barrel and the stock is expensive aka Magpull PRS

Couple thoughts:
.18 LR is criminally underated.
People put bipods on rifles which make them less accurate due to flex, harmonics and shitting up technique.
95% of people don't know the fundamentals of long range shooting (see retarded cross armed technique, as practiced by everyone including military).
Rifle bedding is the biggest improvement that can be made to almost all rifles, few people do it and it's cheap.

>>34070997
Holy shit, what's 1876 like?

Is it worth replacing my SWFA SS 3-15x42 with a SWFA SS HD 5-20x50?

I saw a used one for $750 and they're usually $1300.
Are there better alternatives for ~$1300 max? I don't need illumination, but I do want HD glass. Preferably FFP in mils with mil turrets.

>>34070997
This has to be a troll. No one is this fucking deluded

>>34061580
What advantage does the 16" have over the 18" besides a flash hider?

>>34070833
Cz455 is best bet. Why spend money when you'll be shooting less that 200 yards?

What's a good rugged optic to put atop the rail of a PTR 91 GI? And will the roller delayed action fuck with it? Also I am in a STALKER mood, are PSO-1 decent/cheap? What about reproductions?

Almost zero precision shooting experience, but have shot intermediate rounds on iron sights for years.

>>34075586

I would recommend a Vortex Viper PST; they're pretty stout. Mine handles 300WM just fine.

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How about some retro action up in this thread?

Bonus points if someone knows which model this is specifically.

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I've been tossing around the idea of getting a new rifle. I load for 308, but at the moment, I'm just working with a cheap mossberg patriot. Haven't been able to squeeze much better than a 1.5-2MOA group out of the thing.

Anyway, I was looking at the Remington 700P. I got to shoot one out at one of the local ranges at 200 yards a week or two back and I was pleased to have 5 touching shots. Can anyone name a better gun in the $800 range? The only other gun I've really been considering is the savage model 10 BA stealth.

>>34077423
Looks a lot like a CM-2 from Vostok

>>34065536
Sorry anon, I saw your request while I was at work, I normally post them ASAP

Links for /PSG/
>Group calc program
http://www.ontargetshooting.com/
>Ballistic calc and chart
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
>Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html
>Data books
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

>Basic forum work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms

>Glass basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M

>Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ

>>34077599
I have some others to add

Math suggestions to get you on target
http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

Blank dope book

http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

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>>34077620
> fucked up the second link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing

>>34065536
>>34077599
>>34077620
>>34077629

Neat, I'm happy someone went through the trouble to compile all this.

I'd also add the Precision Rifle Blog.

That place is a treasure trove of well researched information:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

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>>34077645
No problem, figured since Van doesn't seem to lurk as often someone has to shitpost.

>>34070833
at 200yds or less stick with cz455.

http://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/cz-455-precision-barrel/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGeoVHTWZwQ

>>34070833
>>34077800

At 200 yds or less, if you're just shooting for little groups, honestly you could build a REALLY nice Ruger 10/22 that will shoot dime sized groups.

>>34077818
why buy a 10/22 and then the cost of upgrades when he already has a cz455, the bbl upgrade is 410, and thats all he needs to change really

>>34073856
its shorter and I was told by some people that the accuracy you get from 16 to 18 inches is negligible. The synthetic stock is also a pound lighter and less shiny, and the barrel itself is black so it should be harder to see right? Not trying to be a roleplayer or some shit here

>>34077868

because autos are more fun, and he's probably looking for an excuse to buy a new gun?

But yeah, sure, the CZ is great and easy to upgrade too.

>>34077445
Just bought a 10 BA a few months ago. I've only had it out to the 100 yd so far but after tuning the scope etc I'm able to hit pretty nice groupings. Unfortunately it did end up costing closer to 1000 for me where I live in NY. Still a solid rifle tho

>>34057624
hey psg i am trying to build an ar in 6.5grendel for hunting and some plinking or longer range shooting. I just have a question about bolt and barrel compatibility. Does alexander arms make their barrels to fit a type 1 or type 2 6.5 bolt. Their bolt they say will fit their barrels is the same apparent spec as a type 2 bolt. I want to use an AA 18" light weight barrel with an odin works bolt. I am wondering if anyone knows if that setup will work either through knowing the spec or running that setup on their rifle.

Suggestions for a $800-900 piece of glass for a 308 rifle? Hoping for 3-9 or 4-12

>>34078128
The sig tango's might be worth a look.

>>34078128

A Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 should be $750ish.

The new Gen 2 Vipers are even nicer, and have a similar model:

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-gen-2-3-15x44-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-2c-mrad-reticle/reticle

>>34078192
No vortex

>>34078201

Bushnell Elite are nice, and have the EXCELLENT G2 reticle

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bushnell-Elite-Tactical-LRS-3-12x44mm-Matte-Black-G2DMR-ET3124FG/122239720831

>>34078177
I use a whiskey on my tikka t3 lite for elk hunting. I like it a lot. Seems to pick up even more light than the vortex, fwiw, and similarly priced.

>>34078192
I picked up a PST Gen II recently. I'm super happy with it.

>>34078128
>>34078208

SWFA is also a great optic

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tactical-rifle-scope-3.html

>>34078219

I really want a 1-6x Viper Gen 2

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>>34078233
I got the 3-15 FFP. I need to put it on a more capable rifle. My Mossberg patriot doesn't really group better than 1.5 MOA. I'm thinking Savage 10 BA Stealth or Remington 700P. I love this thing though, big step up from my previous scope.

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>>34078257

>Mossberg patriot doesn't really group better than 1.5 MOA

I've got an MVP LC, the factory Mossberg chassis rifle. It's under 1 MOA with 168 gr FGMM, but just barely. The action is just a savage clone, they actually use the same barrel threads going into the receiver.

The accutrigger clone on mine is great too.

I imagine Mossberg puts a little more effort into this model though. The bolt and barrel are both factory fluted.

>>34078291
The MVP seem to shoot pretty well, but I got to shoot a 700P a few weeks ago at 200 and had 5 touching shots. I've tried just about everything to get this patriot to group better. Pillar and glass bedded, hand loaded 168 grainers, still always end up with what almost looks like 2 groups.

>>34078333

I suppose it's only made to be a hunting rifle in the end.

It's probably just a mediocre quality barrel. Have you checked the muzzle/crown for issues?

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>>34070063
Yeah I rebedded my Howa 1500 30.06 into a Manners Composit T-4A adjustable. Granted I also rebarreled it, but the stock and rebarrel makes for a super stable rifle. Howas a awesome choice, if they're cheaper, go for it.

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>>34070063
>>34078357

>Howas a awesome choice, if they're cheaper, go for it.

Seconding this. One of the few rifles I regret selling.

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>>34078348
Crown is fine, it's got a recessed target crown, so it's pretty hard to fuck up. That said, for what I paid for it, it's not really a disappointment. It's a fun plinker, but it's just time to upgrade. It's got a very light barrel, so it gets pretty toasty fast. I need something nice and THICC

Rex, just posted a video testing the Axial Precision ARID. 0.1 in group at 100yds with premium federal 6.5
>I wish I could shoot 1/10th moa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63NXuVO8ac

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Hold me lads, this is the most I've ever spent on a single /k/ item.

>>34079518
you are like a little babe

>>34080927
My rifle costs more but it's at least 5 parts.

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How do i calculate MOA? im kinda new to PSG so i don't know anything of MOA or such things. It is .308 at 100m or 110yrds. I have been lately trying to put bullets in same hole but need little tweaking with ammo and bullet seating properly.

>>34079518
Hope it serves you well. :3

>>34081429
>(Group size)/(distance in yards/100)
4 inch group/(200 yards/100)=2 MOA

This is an approximation because 1 MOA is actually like 1.05 inches at 100 yards

>>34081646
Do i measure it from middle of bullet hole or edges?

>>34081694
The center, like
>>34060622

>>34081694
middle
If you can't find the middle because they're stacked on top of each other, then measure the outsides and subtract the diameter of one hole from the total

>>34076713
Thanks for the recommendation my man. Saving up for it.

Ruger Gunsite Scout 18" .308 y/n?

>>34083137

There are much more accurate rifles for cheaper, if that's what you after.

But if what you want is a scout rifle, it's a good one.

Is a .308 Howa a good gun (in conjunction with a .22LR bolt gun) to learn long-range shooting with?

What options should I look at for Howa stocks and chassis?

>>34083388

Yes

Bell and Carlson, they're available at Stocky's website.

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I know not exactly PSG material, but I'm thinking about buying a .300WM for an Elk hunt I'm planning for next year. A local shop has an older model Rem700 for $560 with 3 bosses of ammo for free. I'm planning on buying it then putting it in a new stock and slapping a brake on the beast. I would like for it to be a boringly accurate rifle, and will be trying to stretch it to 1K yards regularly.

> Is this a good idea or should I start with a different rifle as the base?

>>34084428
You probably shouldn't be elk hunting beyond 600 yards, and if you're just shooting targets out to 1k, you probably want a thicker barrel. If it's just for elk hunting, go grab a tikka T3 lite in 300WM

60 rounds of ammo is barely anything, don't use that as justification for one rifle over another. Also, 300WM isn't particularly a barrel burner but it ain't 308, so I'd check the throat.

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>>34084557
Previous owner evidently bought the gun and 100 rounds then only shot 40 of them. I've never been Elk hunting, so 300WM seems like a good caliber choice. A friend from previous job had to shoot one at 1350 a year and a half ago, and his 300WM put it down.

Also, going to use it as an excuse to hunt other big North American animals, never shot anything bigger than large white tails and hogs.

>>34083500
Would a Savage Mk II be a good 22 for practicing technique at shorter ranges and lower cost

>>34084674
If you're a half-MOA shooter in field environments with a reliable LRF that you're familiar with, then go for it. I'm just trying to suggest that you don't set yourself up for gut-shotting an elk. The 300WM should have enough energy, I'm not debating that. It's a nice all around cartridge but I'd personally choose a 7mm RM over it for less recoil.

>>34084798
I was looking at the 7mm, and after shooting one I found I didn't enjoy it. May have just been the rifle, but it didn't feel like a gun I could shoot over and over. The 300WM while more recoil, felt more like "my" gun, you know? And I think a good brake and a heavier stock would mitigate the recoil down to hot 308 levels, wouldn't it?

> never claimed to be a Half-MOA shooter, much less in field conditions. I just want a rifle that has the potential to be the gun I do that with and still carry enough energy to bring down an Elk/Bear/Mule deer at a distance.

Hey /k/ anyone have experience with a mcmillan m40a1 stock?

Im planning to put my 20in remington heavy contour barrel on it.

Im just concerned about the weight and balance. Ive done the math and it seems im coming out to 10-11lbs with optic. And im just hoping its not front heavy and the balance is off. My thinking is a 20inch should be less front heavy than say a 24inch, but its the heavy contour(varmint profile? Mine is from a sps ssd-ac). Hopefully its not crazy front heavy.

Ill be using this for an all around hunter/shooter rifle and hope to hit 900-1000yds with it. Ive gotten good groups(8.3inches at 800 yards) using the factory hogue stock it came with so hopefully a full bedded mcmillan stock will bring those groups smaller. I thought about changing the barrel, but honestly, mine shoot .5inches at 100yds with good ammo, so i think i dont need to shelve money out for that. Ill maybe get a timney trigger if the stick doesnt improve my groups as much as i think i will. My stock trigger feels fine to me. All ive done to the rifle was add a plastic knob cover to make it easier to cycle the bolt, and have a swfa 10xhd with seekins low rings.

I have a win70 featherweight that weighs 8lbs with optic, so a couple of more pounds wont kill me. I exclusively use my win70 as a hunter, but i just refinished the wood and now it looks too pristine to shoot lmao so ill keep it as a home decoration and hang it on my wall. Plus its 30-06 and im kind of tired of reloading ammo. My rem 700 shoots hornady match 168 bthp like a boss at sub 500yds, and FGMM shoots the best groups for me out to 800yds. I want to stick to factory rounds from now on. My win 70 only eats particular reloads for precice .3inch groups at 100.

Is the mcmillan stock suitable for off hand? I thought about the remington varminter by them, but i prefer narrow grip and forearm, and the weight seemed the same. I just wish they included in descriptions where the balance point will be with certain barrels.

>>34084921
So, speaking of a hunting 300WM, obviously there are a ton of options, but is the Rem700 really one of the best options? everyone seems to say either it or the Weatherby or the Tikka.

>>34084428

If it's just a regular old BDL, it'll be accurate enough to 500, maybe 600 yds. 300WM is plenty of bullet.

Just be sure to zero it for a cold bore shot, 300WM will heat up and shift POI VERY fast.

>>34084696

You won't get any useful wind call practice, but if you're just getting used to a trigger break and holding the rifle, then yes.

>>34085368

>but is the Rem700 really one of the best options?

A 5R or Sendero are both excellent choices, better than a Walmart Remington.

However, a standard R700 is usually a 2 MOA rifle. I wouldn't push that much more than 400 or 500 yds max.

>>34085600
5R/Sendero? Sorry, unfamiliar with these.

>>34085776
Just looked them up, Sendero seems more my speed.

Would a better option be buying parts and having them assembled? I don't own tools to do that, but have a really good gunsmith decently close to me.

>>34083388
Mpa makrs a fantastic chassis for it.

Or a bell and carlson medallist. Pillar bed it

>>34085776

Remington's factory tricked out 700s

https://www.remington.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/model-700-sendero-sf-ii

https://www.remington.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/model-700-5-r-series-gen-2

Even the LR that was in this thread earlier is a great rifle.

>>34077445
CZ 557 Sporter

>>34057624
Leaf here, should I go for an SG550 in a sniper configuration? What would be an okay price for one?

>>34083388
>>34085844

I would also like to add the MDT LSS chassis to the list of Howa 1500 compatibles. I like mine.

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>>34057717

>>34085982

Does your stock have a cheek riser?

These MDT LSS chassis require them.

>>34086122
Not that guy, but I don't use one. However, I have a wide head and high cheekbones. Didn't need one with a Daniel Defense stock and I just got a Magpul UBR yesterday and I don't don't need it.

>>34086122
Just use a magpul prs butt stock

>>34086257

The PRS requires a fixed stock adapter on the MDT LSS.

I just use the cheekriser for a CTR stock and it's the perfect height.

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>>34086122
Yup.

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>>34086322

Looks like we have the same can, and very similar MDT LSS chassis setups.

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>>34086350
Sure looks that way.

>>34086322
>>34085982
sexy.

my only complaint about my MDT LSS was the bipod being so close to you and it's not far out like a good stock is. I wish the ESS wasn't so goddamn $$$.

Is that Washington?

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>>34086367

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>>34086369
LSS is more geared towards ultra light builds, rather than super precision applications. I consider my 700 to be a bug-out bolt gun.

>Is that Washington?
WV

what velocities are yall getting with your 6.5CM's? I was getting pressure signs at ~2850ft/s on 140's (Nosler RDFs) with RL16 and I think I'm going to have to settle around 2750ft/s. Velocity seemed quite consistent but that 5 shot group hit on the cardboard and punched it all out so I never got the true grouping.

>>34086470
I should've said 24" w/ suppressor.

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>>34069612
>no free float hand guard
>precision AR

>>34086455
how many pounds loaded/unloaded?
20" barrel?

>>34086528
Don't forget about the muzzle device that's been wrapped shut

>>34085076
I had a McMillan a2 stock on a savage 10 20" HB/
w/ optic it was sitting around 12.6 lb and wasn't awful for off hand shooting, I found a hasty man's sling to be a welcomed addition however.

>>34086528
haven't found it an issue at 300 yards

>>34089158
there isn't one

Shooting my garand yesterday. Was doing quarter sized groups at 50m, with HXP surplus .30-06.

From a supported seated bench shooting position.

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Bumping with an early 'precision' M14 so the thread doesn't die.

What round do you guys use beyond 500 yards, anyway?

>>34092727
I use .308 out to 600, I can hit 8" plate just fine.

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>>34092727
168gr 308

>>34092727

My 5.56 is good out to 750 yds.

My 308 to about 900

300 Win Mag past that, up to a mile.

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>>34086968
Yup. 20" standard SPS.

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My wifes and my match rifles.
.308 23"Krieger, AICSAX, DCRHybrid trigger, NF rail and Razor gen2.
28"6xc GBbarrels, Timnet tactical trigger,Krg X-Ray, RazorGen1.
Also have a 300winmag 6.5something, 22lr, .223, 12g .17Hornet.

Are semi-auto guns naturally less accurate than bolt action?

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Howa 1500 in .308 is basically done.
Going to zero next Tuesday, then develop a load.
Thinking 178gr ELD-X/ELD-M bullets. Going to have to see how much pressure this brass (ADI) can handle, but I'm thinking of starting around 45gr of ADI AR2208 powder.
Once I find max pressure, I'll get an average for FPS with my chronograph, and make a dope card.

>>34058976
>>34059185
Exact same issue. My gunsmith had to machine a section off the action for the mag to fit in. It all works now, but yeah, wouldn't do it again in a hurry.

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Do people actually use both eyes open for long range on irons?

Anyone else hate how Harris bipod feet spin in place? Like as soon as you load in to the bipod, the feet want to spin around.
That and the rubber just isn't very grippy.
Any viable alternatives to the stock standard feet? Would prefer it be usable on all surfaces (concrete, dirt, wood, metal)

>>34097719
It would be more accurate to say they are more difficult to make accurate than bolt guns. While any given bolt gun is usually going to be more accurate than a semi in the same price range, this isn't always true. Ultimately, semi's can be made as accurate as a bolt rifle, however it will usually cost quite a bit more

>>34097974
I don't think you can stop that happening because the extensions will turn inside the shafts no matter which feet you have installed.

However if you were to change to an asymmetrical foot like a claw-type, or a spike foot, it wouldn't be able to rotate any longer but it would slide more easily on concrete.

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Does anyone use a mirage shield on their barrels? Does it make a difference? Does the velcrro adhesive backing damage blued finishing?

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>>34097768

Good looking setup, very similar to what I was using for a while. That rifle shot GREAT, good luck with your setup.

>>34099975

I try to stop shooting and let my barrel cool as soon as I experience mirage, especially on my 300 WM, since it's quite a barrel burner of a cartridge.

On the other hand, suppressor mirage is VERY frustrating; one of these days I'll invest in a cover. They're such a PITA to take on and off though, and you don't want a cover on a "tactical" carbine that you'll be shooting fast. It'll overheat the can quickly, especially on an SBR.

>>34099975
Wrap barrel in burlap

>>34100173
Won't that make my barrel hotter for longer?

>>34100182
Its burlap, its not exactly the most solid of materials.

A loose wrap helps too