Recoil action shotgun

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>>34053457
Recoil-operated shotguns are my thing. But that one, the Auto-5, is a piece of shit.

The best recoil-operated shotgun is the Remington 11-48. Self adjusting for all loads, more streamlined, lighter, lower percieved recoil, better pointing.... just better in every single way.

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>>34053457
Great guns. I inherited my granddad's 20 gauge light magnum, and it's a sweetheart for upland birds. Light and maneuverable with fast follow up shots.
They vary widely in value. Lightweight and magnum models bring more money as do the less common 16 and 20 gauge models (meaning mine is pretty valuable).
Definitely a gun worthy of being an heirloom.

>>34053457
i have one, Browning Auto 5 light weight, made by FN Belgium during their latest production around 2000 - 2004

mine was original light weight modified by FN, light wood stock and grip, different receiver, 1kg long barrel and short barrel, not chambered in 12ga magnum, smooth bore and 3 rounds max instead of 5

the recoil feels really different from any other rifles, because of the moving barrel, the weight of the barrel itself push you and pull you in a very short time, but when you get used to it you can fire that gun without any problem

there's even a version of it with integrated recoil compensator on the barrel but i've heard it's very rare

>>34053478
Dude it was patented in the year 1900 don't go calling it a piece of shit.

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Based Rhodesian combat shotgun.

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Cut down favorite of Bonnie and Clyde.

>>34053542
No dude, it was a piece of shit in 1900 too.

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>>34053606
>Literally the first successful semi-auto shotgun design
>piece of shit both now and back then

Zed...

>>34053606
this

it's a fuckign bitch to field strip, too much screw just to remove the bolt and look inside the receiver, there's a reason why the trenchgun was adopted instead of the Auto 5 for WWI, but the rhodesian get to have it in full auto with 7 rounds tube, there's probably a reason to that ...

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>>34053478
>>34053606
Oh look, a tripfag shitting on one of JMB's greatest designs that was the catalyst for founding Browning and his partnership with FN.
Here's your (you)

>>34053457
They're pretty great but you can't argue they aren't outdated.
The biggest downside is that you may need to adjust for different loads. If you have it set for light loads and start shooting heavy loads without adjusting the barrel assembly will start peening the rear of the receiver and the recoil will be among the least pleasant of 12ga shotguns. When properly adjusted they feel great.
Parts are getting hard to find however as Browning finally stopped manufacturing them in either the late 90s or early 2000s, idrc. They are an absolute nightmare to disassemble beyond field stripping but there is rarely cause to do so.


>>34053580
Honestly it was still one of the only reliable semi-autos at that point if not the only, probably not exactly like they were spoiled for choice and just loved the Auto 5.

>>34053478
Say's a poorfag.

>>34053637
Drafter, it was the first *commercially* successful design. All that means is that enough people were tricked into liking it that it was profitable.

The truth of the matter is that it is a finicky, heavy, unreliable asshole of a shotgun that will literally splitting-maul itself to pieces if you don't set the gas rings up right every time you change shells.

If it were 1900, and we were having this convo via telegram, I would have a courier on the fastest quarter-horse in the realm spirit away to your manor to deliver a lithograph of a Winchester 1897 as the superior alternative of the time.

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>>34053677
Oh look, an Anon who doesn't know that the first contract your precious JMB could get for the fucking thing was with Remington, as the Model 11, because no one else wanted the piece of shit.

It's like you know ~~nothing~~!

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>>34053457
i've got my father's sweet sixteen. haven't shot it in like 5 years.

>>34053706
>gas rings
Friction rings, and that is some serious hyperbole.
If you go from the lightest load settings to shooting the hottest and heaviest loads you can find, yes, you will have undoubtedly damaged it after several hundred rounds.

>>34053735
>friction rings
Ooo, got me there. You're right, I know better than that, I think my brain was in 1100 land or something.

And hyperbole? I'll grant it's a slight amplification, but who in their right mind can call that a good design? Especially when it was so easily and elegantly remedied by Remington?

No dude, guns of any era shouldn't bash themselves apart. That shit.

>>34053775
I'm struggling to think of a semi-auto larger than 22 that won't beat itself apart with willful neglect without being hilariously overbuilt.

>>34053562
Holy fug that's purdy

>>34053457
They feel pretty good when you're not a puny manlet.
I like my Auto-5 a lot but don't use it much because it's overchoked for modern ammo and I don't feel like getting a new barrel.

>>34053478
Fuck you Zed. Fuck you.

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>>34053794
Remington 11-48.
Self-adjusting recoil rings. Load buck and #12 in the same tube for eternity, and it will be just fine.

This one is mine. It's over 60 years old and I still hunt with it.

>>34053885
Yeah well that came 48 years, almost half a century, after the Auto 5.

Anybody own a Franchi 48? Are they decent?

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>>34053562
*black preacher saying oh lawd*

>>34053478
You're just apparently to fucking stupid to flip a single driving band over. Beyond a rounded receiver that band is all that separates the Auto-5 and 11-48.
Fucking mouth breathing tripfag, not a huge surprise out of the millions of people who used the Auto-5 and it's progeny you're the one cock goblin who can't figure out something they printed on the inside of the handguard.

>>34053640
That extended forend Auto-5 was English, used in the Malaysian Emergency. Also I'm pretty certain the Winchester 1897 was adopted as a trenchgun rather than the Auto-5/Model 11 was mainly because it was cheaper and those two were in low production as of 1917.

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>>34053640
I don't know if it was ever officially adopted but the American Siberian expedition fielded the Auto 5 during the Russian civil war.

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>>34055451
Most of the time that printed paper is worn away, so I post this for folks to print out and paste in a new one.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Remington 11-48 is **self adjusting for all loads**, no need to flip anything. It's just a superior design is all.

You can ad hom all you want, but you'll never change that.

>>34054104
Anyone?

>>34056739
>>34054104
No one responded to you because your post was completely off-topic. In fact, it was so utterly off topic it should have been in it's own thread. It's a blatant violation of Global Rule #3, and no one wants to be involved with your obvious and intentional attempt to raise the ire of the mods. Hell, I'm even taking a risk posting this, when all I am trying to do is educate you on Board Etiquette. You are clearly in want of it.

>>34057517
The Franchi 48AL is recoil operated you tard.

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>>34053457
Oh! I have some of these.

The magnum with the 30" barrel is 1959 production. Killed many a snow goose with it.

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Uuuhhh... Guys?

>>34056318
>is **self adjusting for all loads**
Explain.

>>34058226
The 11-48 has a felt buffer thingie packed inside of a modified friction ring. You can swap the friction piece and spring into older guns if the task of flipping a friction ring is to tiresome.

>>34058298
>The 11-48 has a felt buffer thingie packed inside of a modified friction ring
What about that makes it self-adjusting? It's the same shit with fewer friction pieces.

>>34053733
Nice! If you ever feel like parting with it, I would buy it

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>>34053562
My current build... fuvk I wish I could find a handguard that long that works with a extension.
> Rhodesians Never Die plays in the distance

>>34053706
Set my rings up for light loads and use a recoil pad. Never had a jam or malfunction. Shot well over 500 rounds of everything from slug to birdshot through it. If you can't get it running like a Cadillac your retarded case closed.

>>34057517
Do you have genuine brain damage?

>>34053729
Then why did Remington beg him to give them a patent after he went to FN? And why has the auto 5 been used since before the first world war to Vietnam while remingtons only decent achievement was the model 8... which is basically just the auto 5 rifle version.

>>34058721
never. it's a 1954 so it's worth a pretty penny. my grandfather handed it down to my father, and he handed it down to me. i'll probably hand it down to either my nieces or my own children, whichever respects firearms more.

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>>34053457
I really, really want to make a "Vintage Operator" shotgun with one of these.
>Find cheap, worn out Auto-5 at pawn shop.
>Chop barrel to 18"
>Attach vintage Cutts compensator to barrel.
>Attach 1947 vintage Nydar sight (pic related)
>Fabricate leather shell caddie to mount on receiver.

Essentially a "high speed low drag" semi auto shotgun from the late 40s. Thoughts?

>>34059117
The proper answer, but had to ask

>>34059272
oper8tor as fuck, plz do it. I'm thinking about cutting down an old k frame from the 60s to a 1.5" barrel and mounting an rmr on it.

>>34059272
You can actually go even shorter with the Auto-5/Model 11. I've seen one cut to 16" with the Cutts permanently attached and a full length magazine tube.

>>34059505
Well shit, I didn't even think to have it permanently attached to the barrel. Now I'm liking this more and more.

I already own the Nydar (two of them actually). Are there any shell caddies that attach to/wrap around the receiver of a shotgun that are made of leather on the market?

>>34059559
None that I know of but it shouldn't be hard to make something for an Auto-5, pretty simple receiver profile. Might be easier to make a buttstock caddy of some sort though.

>>34053478

Is that a Poly-Choke? Gross, dude. This a blue board and that kind of degenerate trash will not be condoned.