Best fighter of WWII coming through

[generic reply in disagreement]

>>34053250
Pretty sure those engines only lasted 24 hours of use and were super expensive to replace.

I dig the 4 30mm nose cannons though

>>34053328
bugers, lol
What have they done that wasn't stolen from Germany?

>>34053386
Fuck off wehrboo T-Everyone

>>34053386

america is basically better germany anyway, so it's not even really stolen

>>34053424
Great reply. You sure showed me all the amazing non-German tech.

>>34053328
Considering how many times an avarege allied pilot even saw a jet.

>>34053386
Defeated Germany, twice

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>>34053432

*outruns your jets*

>>34053386
The jet engine was not a German invention.

>>34053449
Kind of hard to see something that already shit you down.
>>34053454
Numerical advantage only.
>>34053458
>prop outrunning jet
lol
>>34053463
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178

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>>34053432

>he thinks Germany even had the best fighters on the axis

>>34053477

>early jets being fast anywhere but on the deck

>>34053477
The turbojet was designed by Frank Whittle, an Englishman.

>>34053488
Where's your jet design? Oh yeah, it doesn't fucking exist.
>>34053491
And used by Germany.

>>34053250
>had trouble keeping them going due to lack of fuel
>Could only go two missions until requiring maintenance
>Only 1400 made,300 of which only saw combat

Who knows, could have been decent if Nazi Germany wasn't such a failure.

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>>34053529

*flies over Italy*
*has working engines*

psh... nothin' personell kid

>>34053454
Proof?

>>34053556
*never sees combat in WWII*

>>34053529
>used by Germany

Just like the US.

>>34053550
Too add to this, the P-51 Mustang only fell behind in two areas, maximum speed and rate of climb.

P-51s had twice the range, was much more maneuverable, could maintain higher altitudes, and had an infinite more amount of veteran pilots.German pilots had to be retrained to operate the ME 262.

>>34053583
caw of dooty and bettlefield

>>34053605
>shoots down bomber
>flies off
>P-51 BTFO

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>>34053588
>Where's your jet design? Oh yeah, it doesn't fucking exist.
>clearly fucking exists

babbies first moving of goalposts

>>34053588
*had a proper r&d process and wasn't fielded when in prototype stages*

Inb4 i-it wasn't a prototype!

>>34053624
Where is it faggot?

>>34053628
>enter production with that design
>I-it's a prototype guise!!!!

>>34053618
more like
>shoots at bomber
>cannons jam as they often did
>flies off

Your jet was shit, it could only take off from concrete runways. Many of those were bombed to shit or would be bombed to shit once the allies found out.

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>>34053588
>>34053630

>Germany runs out of planes for it to fight
>b-b-but it never saw combat

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>>34053605
Yeah, and that's why Zeros did so great, right?
>could maintain higher altitudes
Did altitude affect performance of those early jets much?
>>34053488
It's interesting that Japs considered this better than the Ki-84.

>>34053250
>engines prone to flame out if pilot wasn't careful
>maintenance whore
>initially used as attack plane because "Mien Fuhrer says so!"

>>34053657
>January
it was even produced before the me 262

>>34053647
>we were desperate/dumb enough to field a barely working novelty, not a prototype!!!

Come back when your wonder waffle doesn't need an overhaul every 20 flight hours.

>>34053661
>Yeah, and that's why Zeros did so great, right?

The zero had like 4 issues that contributed to this. It was slower than its opposition by roughly the same margin as American planes were compared to jets. It also had a very low never exceed speed which meant they could simply dive away. Its aileron's started locking up at high speeds and it wasn't even good at rolling to begin with. To top it all off, its engine's power starts to decrease much lower than most of the planes it fought. A P-47 or P-51 only needs to worry about the first issue.

>Did altitude affect performance of those early jets much?

Very, they were fastest at sea level. Late war props had at least competitive speed at high altitude.

>>34053698
Come back when you have a working jet that has seen combat.

>>34053661
>>34053736

This is proven by the fact that over half of the P-47M's kills over Europe consisted of Me 262s and their only losses to the enemy were from ground fire.

>>34053807
>My piece of shit fresh out of my ass that I threw at my neighbor is better than your Ar-15 because it saw combat

Wew lad

>>34053815
>over half
8?
and >>34053618

>>34053872
>8?

That's infinitely more than the P-47Ms the Me 262 shot down.

>>34053272
>Pretty sure those engines only lasted 24 hours of use
Often even less than that

> Given the lower-quality steels used in the 004B, these engines typically only had a service life of some 10–25 hours, perhaps twice this in the hands of a skilled pilot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKhaODhMUdo#t=958

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>>34054188
Or this Dornier Do 335

>>34053386
Won a world war

>Very short flight length due to fuel consumption and engine unreliability
>Engines need to be replaced frequently
>Armament that is not suitable for combating other fighters
>Poor fittings on control surfaces that led to wobbling in flight
>Extremely vulnerable on take off and landing
No. The Me-262 is not the best.

>>34053618

>rest of bomber formation turns Germany into rubble

Reminder that Germany is worse than France-tier at waging war.

>>34053477
>start a fight with two dudes
>lose horribly
>YEAH WELL I ONLY LOST BECAUSE I WAS OUT NUMBERED AND ME TRYING TO FIGHT TWO GUYS AT ONCE TOTALLY DOESNT REFLECT ON MY INTELLIGENCE AND ME GETTING COMPLETELY BTFO IN EVERY ASPECT IS VOID BECAUSE OF SAID NUMERICAL DISADVANTAGE

>>34053250
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

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>>34054403
>implying France is bad at war

>>34053250
Hitler wanted it to be a bomber.

>>34054223
I enjoy flying that quirky thing, but I wouldn't say it's the best. Not the most versatile. Only 37 were built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6HkIywJuxI

>>34054532
That Hitler wanting it to be a bomber thing is kind of a myth. From my understanding it was Hitler told Goering, the RLM, and the Luftwaffe to figure out how to use it and the Luftwaffe Fighter and Bomber commanders started arguing over who would get it since they both saw potential.

>>34053657
How did I never hear of an aircraft that had over 1700 of them built ?

>>34053272
They could however be exchanged in 2 hours, Kraftei.

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>>34054795

real thugs move in silence

>>34053889

At that stage of the war it would be hard for the Germans to shoot anything down if they had some wunderplane with F-86 tier performance. Just look at the sorry state Germany was in, meanwhile the USAAF had plenty of everything they needed.

America's total industrial and logistical domination over the axis is the most awesome display of power of WW2.

>>34054795

Some are still flying. There was one at an airshow I went to about a year ago.

>>34054927
German industrial capacity was more than impressive later in war. But no use if you literally run out of gas fighting Soviets, Brits and USA at the same time.

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>>34053250
That's a nice jet you have there.

It would be a SHAME if someone shot it down...

Correct, it was an English invention.

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>>34053250
[DUSTS YOUR CROPS]

>>34053477
The K model P-51's and P-47N's outdid the 262 in almost every aspect.
It was experimental technology that was nowhere near developed enough for operational use.

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>>34053328
chuck yeager is my husbando
89 years old and the motherfucker still flies in F-15s

>>34056117
As we're on the topic of Britain now, the gloster meteor was comparable to the Me 262 (and didn't need engines replaced every 24 hrs)

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>>34053657
P-59 Airacomet

United States, Manufacturer:
Bell Aircraft

First flight
1 October 1942

Primaryusers:
United States Army Air Forces
United States Navy
Royal Air Force

Number built:
66

Never saw combat but it was the first jet to have its engine, and intakes integrated into the fuselage.

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>>34053250

>>34056239
Yeager is 94 now famalam

>>34056245
Only reason they never saw combat against the Jerries was that the British didn't want them potentially falling into German (or Soviet) hands.

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>>34056321
He was 89 the last time he flew tho
And yet all those Gs he must have pulled in his four decades dogfighting, test piloting, crashing, didn't slow him from reaching 94. Nigga's a quintessential American

>>34054795
Early jets were a dime a dozen.

>>34053250
*lands*
*airfield occupied by soviets*
oops

when the one wehraboo gets BTFO

>>34057269
feels good man

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>>34053272
Yeah, by the end of the war the Germans didn't have the resources to produce materials that could withstand heating. Pic related, explains it perfectly.

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>The Fiat G.55 was probably the best type produced in Italy during World War II,[3] (a subjective claim also frequently made for the Macchi C.205 Veltro as well as for the Reggiane Re.2005 "Sagittario") but it did not enter production until 1943,[4] when, after comparative tests against the Messerschmitt Bf 109G and the Focke-Wulf 190, the Luftwaffe itself regarded the Fiat G.55 as "the best Axis fighter".[5]

How did British and American fighters in the ETO rate against Nazi ones?

>>34056361
Kinda ironic considering that the brits gave stalin the engines for the Mig-15

>>34057282
>>34057269
Kinda sad though. Its like having a shitty 7 year old and ruining his day by telling him there is no Santa. Except he's a basement-dwelling 25-year old who masturbates to GuP and SS marching songs

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>>34053657
Lol wehrboo btfo

>>34054795
Because it undermines the narrative of the Germans having wunderwaffe that go 1v22 with allied prop-driven aircraft and shoot down half their number before disengaging; and the allies only winning because of wave tactics and their industrial advantages.

>>34053272
Still better than everything the allies had

>>34062827
(you)

>>34062662
>Implying anything is wrong with enjoying GuP

>>34054795
1700 isn't that many. consider that 10,000 P-38s were built but the average pleb who has only heard of the Spitfire and Mustang probably can't even picture what it looks like.

P-51 mustang. End of story

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>>34063296
this, desu

>>34063437
desu

>>34063444
t b h

>>34053250
>What are the
>Spitfire
>Mustang
>Lightning
>Hellcat
>Corsair
>Thunderbolt
>Tempest
>FW 190
>BF109

>>34053656
I'll correct you
>Tries shooting down a bomber
>either runs out of fuel miles before it reaches bombers
>gets shot down by P-51 before he has a chance to fire
>or engines stop working on take of and chrashes
>muh wunderwaffen

>>34056188
kek

>>34054514
>>implying France is bad at war

They haven't been good at it for a couple of centuries. The guy in pic related died in exile after LOSING.

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>>34053477
>who is Frank Whittle?

He is the not-German who invented the turbojet engine.

>Two World Wars and one World Cup.

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>>34066201
>The guy in pic related died in exile after LOSING

Yes. He lost the War of the Seventh Coalition. He's 6 and 1. Plus the after effects in the geopolitical affairs of Europe, and by the extension the entire western world, is a victory in its own right.

Sure he lost, but god damn it if he didn't look good doin it!

>>34053583
A goddamn history book, ANY goddamn history book!

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>>34053250
It always shocks me how few people know that the Meteor saw operational service during WWII. It's a bit of a shame it never got to fight the 262, mostly because the British leadership were afraid to let it operate over enemy territory for fear that one would be captured. (Though to be fair they were already having issues with friendly fire, thanks to AA gunners and allied pilots mistaking them for 262s, and who knows how bad it would've been if they were flying around over Germany.)

>>34053250
>taken by service record
massive resource sink, unreliable, hard to maintain, accident prone but moderately successful in terms of success in the small numbers that actually fought

>taken by all technology as of 1945
Meteor more reliable with much more forgiving engines, in general the cost and unreliability of jet technology meant props were far more cost effective and reliable hence why the allies didn't sink more resources into getting the Meteor or P80 into mass production.

There is no way you could argue the me262 was the "best" fighter of ww2. It's only real advantage was its speed

>>34067123
where is his white flag?

>>34067285

This was the era when the French flag had red and blue on it too

>>34058859
gon try an keeper breif but that probably wont happen
Depends on the year but durring bob they were equal, and it shifted to axis after when the fw190a was introduced where it outclassed the spitfire mk v in climbrate, rollrate (1st in class the whole war), speed, acelleration, dive, instantaneous turn rate at high speed. After the spitfire mk9 was introduced it took the lead over bf109g6's and fw190a,f,g 5-8 in most areas. Later bf109g14-10, k4 and the fw190d regained some advantages but the english introduced the tempest which was comparable to the dora and griffon powered spitfire mk xiv. The xiv lacked compared to the spit lf mk ix down low but excelled higher up where its better rollrate and higher speed and acceleration more than compensated. The me262 and he162 were obviously superior when encountered and not suffering a flameout or fanblade shattering. The americans really came in with crazy numbers when was already lost for the axis but air superority was really lost on d-day when allied troops were able to secure a beachhead. Fighters like the p47d were great at high altitude and at ground attacking and the p51 with its lamilar flow (fuel efficency (range), highspeed), excellent speed at high altitude, ease of handeling across a wide range of speeds, energy retention, ect. were effective in bomber esscort and many other tasks.

tldr Most pilots liked their aircraft and overall it was usually pretty equal on a stat card but numbers, tactics, and training,and experience decided the victorious fighter