No plans to retire the A-10

>>34046109
that's dumb. a-10 is trash

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Scorpion when?

A couple old fuckers in politics able to keep some obsolete piece of shit flying

>>34046203
it's just McCain at this point. perhaps a few retards who watch history channel still. McCain only really does it still because he thinks that back in his day when he burned down the forestall planes were cooler and stuff

>>34046161
>>34046186
>>34046203
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTT

>>34046356
He's shilling for Davis Monthon AFB

>>34046356
There is also that woman congressman who flew A-10's

>>34046161
Not trash, just been regulated to a role that is currently filled by much better aircraft since Sniper Pod upgrade.

>>34046723
Relegated*
And it's doing a role that should be filled by cheap piston planes

>>34046738
>cheap piston planes
Please tell me how these "cheap" piston planes will fulfill the ready call requirement of CAS which is currently the inherit problem with the A-10.

>replacing a slow plane with an even slower plane

Congress is full of mouth breathing retards who don't know shit about shit: more news at eleven.

>>34046161
your post is trash.
why the hate for an old, but still valid design.
>>34046203
>A couple old fuckers...might just save your ass.

>>34046852
Because BR niggers think the Tucano isn't shit

>>34046852
There are piston planes that are faster than an a-10, what's the big deal?

>>34049482
When you can offer to sell our entire a-10 fleet to friendly nations at a profit then you have a problem. Something is obviously very wrong with the sale.

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No Need For A Wall
Just run A-10's up and down the border!

>>34046203
>people who will respond to this post
>waahh wahhh muh a10
>but but what about CAS
>muh BRRRRRT
>ITS A FLYING TANK
>but the pilots
>THE F35 HAS BEEN DELAYED AND OVERBUDGET
>but were fighting in buttfuckinstan right now, we should be focused on that and not future conflicts

>>34046852
The inherent problem with the A-10 is they are significantly more expensive to operate than a prop plane or drone while still being unviable in a non permissive airspace.

>>34050821
There's something a bit more intense than just your phone vibrating.
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

>>34046109

Maybe if they had tried to design a real A-10 replacement instead of deforming the F-35 to allow it to emulate BRRRRT for all of 30 seconds before burning its fuel from stalling they wouldn't be having to keep it for so long.

>>34051298
>he lives in a world where tankers don't exist

The A-10 is also slow as fuck and ends up with shitty response times because of it.

The A-10 is an outdated cold war relic...yes it's fucking cool...it's at the end of its service life...they are slowly being retired to the desert...get over it guys.

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the psychological effect of the AR-10 is far greater than its actual firepower. that's what makes it so popular and revered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCB8ZVxKqyI

>>34051513
The A-10 is the best of both worlds...more devastating than the Stuka with none of the warning!

>>34049652
>>but were fighting in buttfuckinstan right now, we should be focused on that and not future conflicts
>build for the next war

What is dead may never die

Keeping the A-10 and U-2 in stock while delaying the new systems is entirely a budget issue. That, and I expect some of the people voting for this have congressial districts where companies are still making a profit maintaining these systems.

Maintenance is the question though. I assume no new planes are being built on these platforms. And the platforms have been active for a long time. Look at the Navy, who have long been using their stock-in-service- as a parts supply. Planes who could be fixed are chopped down at a considerable speed. Of those 283 warthogs, how many are actually still flying and how many are parts lockers with wheels?

>>34052333
The U-2 at least is an old Lockheed product, so there's still a new parts source if needed.

Fairchild-Republic doesn't exist anymore, the name is owned by Elbit Systems of Israel. They actually had to do a wing refit recently to the A-10 fleet so they wouldn't just fall out of the sky.

>>34046109
this is why we can't have nice things

a10's are fucking cool but why wouldn't you want something faster that can drop more precise and a bigger variation of munitions? Someone needs to come up with a new vehicle they can put those cannons on so people don't feel like it's going to waste getting rid of the plane when they pull the gun off and stick it on something else.

>>34054014

Any weapon system purchase is done according to three priorities.
1. is there money to put into the investment.
2. how much of the investment can be distributed to companies which will deliver the congress members election funds and an increase in the job statistics.
3. Is the system actually needed.

As for the A-10 cannons it is entirely possible the military will keep them in stock as stop gap systems. They might end up on 6x6 trucks and given to the next foreign militia the US decides to back, for instance. Say what you want about the armed forces but they have learned to improvise.

Is this going to turn into another BR's try to sell /k/ on Super Taco planes? What does the Super Taco do that the Scorpion >>34046186 can't do better? We already know it's a death trap since its a single engine plane versus twin engines.

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If the Air Force finally gets their way and replaces the A-10 with the shitty F-35, then American soldiers will pay for it in blood. President Trump should just transfer the A-10 and their pilots to the Army and Marine Corps. Simple. Problem solved. Then the Army and Marine Corp can join forces and develop the next generation replacement for the A-10.

>>34054800
>Army and Marine Corps
or you could leave it to the branch who's job is actually flying, not infantry and expensive infantry

>>34054836

The Air Force doesn't give a shit about the lives of soldiers or marines. Why should the Army and Marine Corps depend on the undependable?

>>34046109
>>34054014
its called exacto, and its under development. Imagine the A-10s ammo container holds 1,350 rounds of target seeking projectiles.

Instead of nose down at a target, the A-10 flys over a crowd of hostiles, and goes "BRRRT" while flying straight. Suddenly a swarm of death rains down, and its accurate. Each target literally has a bullet with their name on it, and there is no current countermeasure for it.

>>34054876
>Making shit up
Army and Marines already have their own pilots and CAS anyways

>>34054993

Stop lying using green text.

>Army and Marines already have their own pilots and CAS

All you are doing is helping my argument. Turn over the A-10 to them.

>>34054800
The army doesn't want the A-10.

>>34054800
>I'm full of shit, and here's me proving it!

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>>34054800
Except the f35 will be better at CAS than the a10 ever was.

>>34055020
Yes, because the Army totally wants an outdated, poorly aging airframe they now need new logistics, training, and personnel pipelines for for the 10-15 years they might squeeze out of if their lucky.

>>34054965
Sauce?

As much as I love the A-10, it's a really old system. It'll only get more and more expensive to maintain something that is growing increasingly ineffective.
[BRRRRRRRRTs sadly]

>>34050821
>The inherent problem with the A-10 is they are significantly more expensive to operate than a prop plane or drone while still being unviable in a non permissive airspace.

Except they can still operation in non-permissive airspace and do but ever since the Sniper Pod upgrade they no longer do low and slow missions and instead operate at med-high altitude as bomb/missile Taxi and CAS response/ready birds. The problem with this is that put simply, other assets are better and faster at this same mission. Replacing the A-10 with a piston or Turboprop aircraft does fuck all to fix this baseline issue.

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>>34046161
still better than the flying lemons :^)

>>34055552
seems like this is a list thats about 5 years old. you have a new pier sprey infographic?

>>34046186
Knowing the US purchasing process, never unless Textron catches the eye of a senior decision maker.

>>34055649
More like if Textron can actually deliver a version that meets the RFP better than the rest of the field. The Pentagon makes the choice, not lawmakers.

>>34055139
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXACTO
2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW2DwQun95s
2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoOaJclkSZg

It does not take a leap of faith to think that if a small .50cal can contain the sensors and guidance of the exacto package, than perhaps a 30mm could easily contain that and more. The biggest advantage is that the A-10 doesnt need to change its main weapon, or firing system. It would need either a companion craft, or series of sensors to designate targets, but beyond that life is good.

Fuck. Anon. any aircraft weapon will be deadly.

>>34055895
With that then you don't need a high ROF gun, a simpler chain gun or revolver cannon could do the job.

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>>34055895
>A-10s firing individually-guided 30mm HEI shells to directly hit hadjis

>>34055931
You'd still want a high rate of fire in order to minimize time on target.

>>34055984
Realistically you don't need a gun at all, it isn't 1965.

>>34056458
>lets just make smart missle pods instaed!!

>>34054014

Because nobody is asking for the A-10 2.0, which is why it isn't being retired.

>>34046161
You shut your whore mouth.

>>34046109
Fucking baby boomers
I fucking hate their shitty decisions
Those boomers are still convinced you need a huge ass gun to preform CAS.

>>34046109
as the super tucano/scorpion fan I dont like it.
but Im posting this every thread we talk about it.

>why the fuck isnt there some drone platform for a fucking 40mm grendade launcher?
just something with a good hover time and enough firepower to drop a box or 2 of 40mm of whatever on soft targets and personnel.
it makes no fucking sense and should have been around years ago.

>>34051835
10/10
victarion would brrrrrttt

>>34055895
Exacto wasn't for the GUA/A10 though I followed that for a few years and was really amazed they had a working prototype. I just don't see how the plane and weapon system combo is more cost or performance effective than whatever the airforce has been requesting.

>>34046377
This

>>34057394
>>34055931
the A-10 is already in existence. The GAU-8 system also already exists. Adjusting firing speed to a variable rate would be comparatively simple.

An EXACTO equipped warthog makes a lot of sense considering the platform, weapon, and ammunition exist, and the air force is stuck with the warthog, so they may as well put it to use.

Also consider that non guided, but "smart" munitions have been in use/ development as early as 2008.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20080316.aspx

I would be surprised if the main gun was not re purposed in someway, and considering the list of platforms using the 30×173mm it would not be unlikely.

>>34057975
>still doesn't address the issue that it no longer performs the low and slow mission set and instead is performing med-high altitude bomb taxi role

>>34056458
Cost. Per. Kill.

>>34058248
Still going to be very expensive with smart bullets.

>>34057975
Exacto isn't really that much of a game changer when APKWS is already in service and has better performance.
>take GAU-8 that people admire because it's cheap to operate considering its effects on soft targets
>subsitute accuracy by volume for accuracy by expensive purpose built 30mm smart rounds

You've destroyed the one advantage that the A-10 had for almost no gains in performance.

>>34059545
Yes you are right lets just give every goat fucking jihadist there very own jdam

>>34059912
>$25,000
Doesn't seem that expensive to me

>>34060034
1 to kill 20 vs $4000 to kill one...

>>34060039
I wasn't talking about the smart bullet

>>34060122
A one-second burst is already over $4000, and may not hit anything.

>>34046109
This will continue right up until the point where F-35s start delivering CAS with small guided munitions, and the infantry stops demanding low'n'slow.

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>>34060579
>meanwhile, the B-1 continues to be the most effective CAS aircraft in the US arsenal

>>34060606
>B-1Bs with 144 SDBs getting guidance data from F-35s

>>34060627
It's coming up on 4 hours. Should I consult my doctor about this erection?

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>>34046109
>there are no plans to retire either famed the A-10 Warthog

FUCK YEAH!

B A S E D

>>34057975
Why in the fuck would you have a rotary cannon fire EXACTO? Each round requires individual guidance which is why it's meant for use by snipers and not autocannons.

>>34054667
>They may end up on 6x6 trucks
Doubtful, better off just slapping a single barreled 30mm to a ground vehicle. You don't need it's high RoF.

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GAU-8 Abrahams variant when?

>>34046109
Man I'm so happy U-2 will live a bit longer. She's as sexy today as the day she was rolled out of the hangar.

>>34061611
You talk like it's some kind of problem...

Imagine CaS being done by having jets drop a few hundred of these, programmed to seek human sized heat signatures, each loaded with 30 grams of Semtex and a few dozen ball bearings in a shaped charge, which goes off when the drone gets within a foot or so of the target

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NGgHyfPGU0

>>34057975
>Adjusting the firing speed
So now you have a gun that weighs far more than it needs to, having all that unnecessary weight devoted to enabling a high RoF it not longer has.
It's America, you don't need to be recycling military equipment.

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>>34054667
>a-10 gun on a 6x6
The middle east would just become that much orkier

>>34061715
Wtf Mandic, get back in your containment tread