Mountain Gun

>>34038409
Also, I will add that I am planning on putting a longer aftermarket barrel on it if I do go with the Glock 29.

You'll need to study the cranium thickness' upon different parts of the skull and make an educated decision there. I've seen bear hit in the face (not brain) get pissed and keep coming.

My assumption is that between the eyes is the least dense, but again, you'll have to look it up.

There are no grizzlies in Washington anymore, although some fucknugget hippies in Olympia are planning on deliberately reintroducing them. Go for the G20 or G40 over the G29 - you're not concealing, and the extra barrel length gets you more energy delivered per shot.

>>34038520
Like I said, a gun is always a last resort. If Im dead I wont know the difference of if I missed or the skull plate stopped the round.

I know a 10mm can puncture the skull plate, but Im also sure there are situations/angles where it wont.

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Any of these are good, but it sounds like you have decided already. G29 will do the trick for the most part, but consider this also bears are fast really fast from everything I've read about these situations at most you'll get 2 shots off and they'll be body shots where a 10 mm might not do the job, whereas a .454 casull or another large magnum will. Just food for thought

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>>34038409

G29 is 10+1 capacity plus it can also take the G20 15rd mags, it's an ideal woods gun and what I take with me in bear country

>>34038532
I'll be 20 when I go in the hike, so Im not legally allowed to open carry in Washington anyways. Once I reach the border Ill put it in my pack until I can have someone pick it up for me (I live in Seattle) which is legal for me to do.

You're probably right, it's only 6 ounces more loaded for a g20, and I won't have to buy an aftermarket barrel. Thanks, anon.

>>34038532

Unless you're going with a G40 length barrel, the velocity difference in fps between the standard G20 4.6 inch and G29 3.8 inch barrel is less than 50 fps. I've chrono'd an average 35 to 40 fps loss with the G29, nothing substantial imho

>>34038580
I hadn't heard that statistic, that certainly makes me rethink my options.

Do you have any suggestions for light(er)weight big bore revolvers?

>>34038589
Thats pretty much exactly how I was thinking about running mine, except with a grip extending base plate.

Have you ever taken it on longer hikes?

>>34038409
Bear spray is probably a better choice, particularly considering your lack of experience with firearms. Definitely at least grab some to go along with your gun.

>>34038520
More dense, just about any combat handgun caliber has enough oomph to punch through a bear skull. the key is getting the most straight on shot. FMJ in particular likes to deflect off bone with angled shots.

Carry hardcast rounds and apply metered fire. many bears tend to drop their head when charging so that's when you should go for the CNS.

Of course studying the anatomy of the animals in question would be a very good idea for anybody worried about having to stop one.

>>34038682
Yea, I would spend the time inbetween now and the hike becoming more familiar with handgun shooting, and practicing target shooting and my draw time. I know proficiency is just as important as having the gun in the first place.

We will both be carrying bear spray as well, and I know that in general, that would be much more effective at stopping a charge. The pistol would be more of a back up, and a bit of peace of mind like I said. Thanks for the tips anon.

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I normally use a M1 carbine for my inawods hiking gun.
I highly recommend

>>34038638

Yes, but so far only in cold weather so with a thick upper layer on and no comfort issues w/ the chest holster

>>34038682
These are good points of you have little experience with handguns you will need to get your weapon asap and practice as much as you can before you go, bear spay is a good rout also.>>34038624
As for light weight large bore they make them but they are pricey my ruger toklat is heavy but not so much it's uncomfortable to wear, they make a ruger like mine but it's a snubby and far more compact and they run about 800 to 1000 will shoot .45 colt and .454 casull it's my hog country gun and has at the very least knocked em on their ass so hard I had plenty of time for a follow up shot

>>34038830
If only I could anon. I would love to carry a rifle like that innawood, but the weight is just way too much.

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I think the G20 is a good option but the 329PD may be another to consider.

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>>34038855
I've since put the rubber X frame grips on. No longer splits the skin of my thumb webbing, which is nice.

>>34038853
M1 carbines are tiny

>>34038879
It weights 6 pounds loaded with a sling friend. I need to keep my base weight under 20lbs.

Im gonna be hiking 1200 miles. 4 pounds is huge. Plus it costs $1200.

>>34038873
>>34038855
Like I said, a nice revolver like that is out of my budget right now, unfortunately. Some day.

>>34038916
I'd recommend a Mossy with slugs, but since you said weight is an issue 10mm is probably your best choice there.

>>34038682
Yes, they 'lower their head', but it's in a bobbing fashion. Another reason to have a repeating arm with quick follow-up shots.

Again, study the anatomy. Once you fire, it's no longer a 'mock-charge' or 'quick mauling'. He's gonna be pissed.

>>34038544
If a gun is a last resort 'in your mind', then carry a fucking stick. Either he wants you neutralized or it's going to run away. You asked what happens when the former comes about and you need a /k/ to defend yourself.

Am I wrong? If you need a handgun, go with 10mm hardcast @ 1500+

>>34038520

Mag dump to the face, problem solved.

>>34039383
I mean, a gun is a last resort. If a bear is getting to close and he needs to fuck off, Ill pepper spray him. If it's a 'me or the bear' situation, then I want something that atleast gives me a fighting chance.

I've been looking at some 220 grain hard cast, but I've seen reviews that they are a bit unreliable.

>>34038409
Glocks have piss poor triggers. What's the point of buying a gun if it's hard to hit anything with it?

A Smith & Wesson 586 would be perfect for what you want. If you can't afford that, you best save your money until you can rather than waste it on a shitty Glock.

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I carry a Glock 29. I like it because it doesn't have a piss poor trigger and I can hit anything with it.

>>34039593
Nice kill Anon, did you eat it?

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>>34039638
Yes

>>34038916
>1200
got mine for 500 m8 start lookin

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>not hunting with hounds.

>>34039870
If i didn't want any challenge i'd've called jimmy johns

>>34039884
>implying there isnt challenge.
>implying hunting side by side with mans best friend is best
>implying jimmy johns is any good.

>>34039870
>>34039884
>>34039930
OP isn't hunting though, he's just taking a gun on a hike for protection. Did you even read the damn post?

Dude... 10 mm on grizzly and Kodaks? If you have any respect for your life get at least a .357 magnum.

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>>34040099
>get at least a .357 magnum.
>10mm > .357magnum
Please come back after puberty.

Full load 10mm is almost identical to .41 mag. If you really want to comment, at least use the 454 Casull or similar. .357 mag is a great round for human sized animals.

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>>34040306
>at least use the 454 Casull
>10mm > .454 casull
Please come back after your menstrual cycle.

>>34038409
Semi auto .308 rifle covers everything for your need in the pacific northwest, grizzly here are much easier to handle compared to Alaskan grizzly and brown bear.

>>34040256
>>34040337
shut up retard

>>34040629
Well, I cant carry a full caliber rifle with me, but I appreciate the input.

Some day Im gonna buy a M1A, but probably not for atleast a few years.

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>>34038409

This is the closest I'll get to a 10mm thread on /k/.

God damn you faggots.

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>>34040629
>Semi auto .308 rifle covers everything
>10mm > .308 semi auto
Please come back after your Penectomy

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>>34038873

You're a god damn faggot pussy. Just saying.

>>34038409

my coworkers in anchorage carry glock 29's to execute moose hit by cars. so far they've got 3 between them. one shot straight to the dome every time

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>>34041099
What pisses me off is the Troopers call homeless shelters and ask if they want the meat. I ran that fucker over fair and square it's my fucking meat.

>>34038409
I carry 9mm hardcast +p but the bears know I'm alpha AF so it's not really necessary. I can drop me if I need to though.

Ok, you have a weight restriction and your first priority should be not meeting bears. Use your precious weight on a bear can. Keep your food in it. Learn proper food handling techniques for bear country. Practice them camping beforehand.

You are in the continental 48 on a hiking trail. You can manage all possible bear encounters with bear spray. Don't be a retard and you don't even need a gun. Since you've decided to carry a 10mm (you are just looking for ass pats here), just follow good bear practices and enjoy the dead weight.

Seriously, black bears are just pests if you aren't retarded, and you won't see a brown bear where you are going.

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>>34041222
>all possible bear encounters with bear spray.
Two attacks in Alaska in my area and they both had bear spray. I wish this meme would die. A bear pops out of the woods for 2 seconds and gets shot with spray from inside a truck from a Forest Service employee. They have to report all discharges and will say they saved lives.

>>34041287
This isn't about Alaska. Thanks for paying attention. My carry choice for hiking in Alaska is a S&W 460. For through hiking in the northwest you don't 'need' a gun. Shit, you might as well wear a helmet because your as likely to get clipped by a falling tree.

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>>34041337
>This isn't about Alaska.
We have bears here. I've seen them. One time I was in the woods and this bear pops out in front of me and I said "no mr. bear not my kyak!! please stop mr. bear!! Go away mr. bear!! Mr. bear!!! Please stop mr bear"

>>34041380
Are you just retarded or trolling?
>We have bears here... Where?
This thread was asking about bear protection on a specific hike. Did you read the thread or did you see the word 'bear' and feel this is the time to shine with your expertise on bears. I hear there is. Sword thread that needs your input on the katana. Go there or be more useful here.

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>>34041416
This is my Glock 29, which OP specifically mentioned, next to a pile of bear poop.
>>34039593

>>34041485
Thanks for clarifying, you're retarded.

>>34041222
OP here. Normally I would ignore posts like this, but Ill make an exception.

1) I am going to carry a bear can, and bear spray. I already know food handling techniques. I have alot of camping experience.

2) I am hiking in Glacier National park, where there was a fatal grizzly bear attack last summer around the same time I will be hiking.

3) I dont plan on beaing a retard. I dont know what gives you the impression Im looking for "ass pats", what I am looking for is advice.

4) I have a pretty good chance of seeing brown bears where Im going, and less than 50 people hike this trail every year. I will need to GPS bushwack for many, many miles in several sections of the trail. Including in grizzly country.

Does anyone find it rediculous that we even have bears? Seems like one of the animals we can and should get rid of

>>34041133

alaska railroad kills more moose than guns and cars ever will. i believe all the meat goes to homeless shelters. i'd eat at beans cafe more if it didn't smell so bad

>>34041081
lol. wasn't that bad but the wood grips did a number on my hand after ~30 rounds. It's comfy to shoot now though.

>>34038409
>The first 1/3 of the trail is in Montana and Idaho in some serious grizzly bear country
since when?
you haven't even looked at a map yet guy.

>>34041563
>and bear spray.
Were you just trying to be polite? i would never carry that garbage. Do they even certify if it will go off as intended? I bet you get a lot more aerosol misfires than bullet misfires. That's like those idiots who wear bear bells.

>>34041571
seems like a good idea then next thing you know your killing one of the last wolves in the lower 48 and the topography itself literally starts to change along with ecosystems because lol no more wolves

>>34041708
Youre thinking of the Pacific Crest Trail.

The Pacific Northwest Trail is an entirely different thing. It runs along the northern border from Glacier National Park across over the Cascades, and then cuts through northern Washington into the San Juans, then across the Olympic Peninsula and along the Pacific coast. Its an awesome, not very well known trail.

>>34041719
I would rather have just bear spray than just a pistol. It can diffuse non-aggressive but still threatening situation and will stop most charges unless the bear is actually coming for blood, which most of the time it isn't.

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>>34041708
Forgot pic.

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>>34042376
Holy dick that looks like a beautiful hike. OP, look for spotted deer on Whidbey island. I don't know anywhere else that they get that pelt pattern.

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>>34041133
most states let you request a permit to keep the carcass, it's free, but you need to make the request and then wait for LE to deliver the permit they are _supposed_ to be keep in their vehicles. otherwise it's poaching because people totally poach with motor vehicles.
most are more concerned with the damage to their vehicle and making it to a hospital depending on the ungulate in question.

>>34042352
my mistake but seriously that shit is like all about cramming as much elevation change into as little mileage as you can. when food is low, so are bears, and you will(should) be hiking during boon season because that shit is impassable otherwise. if you aren't too much of a man to heed general bear advice you will be okay.
you can probably count the number of brown bears you will pass within 100 miles of on that entire journey with a hand.
black bears are fags because retards feed them, but mace, a noisemaker, and a gun you can draw while its mauling you probably aren't bad ideas.

the commie faggots here figure there are fewer than a dozen brown bears in WA and are seeking to reintroduce more so they can eat hikers while they sip coffee in seattle or something but it's hard enough to fill a black bear tag here.
i'd be more worried about being hit on by a sexy starving cougar on that trail desu.

>>34042447
fuck those piddly ass blacktails.

>>34042459
>fuck those piddly ass blacktails
I mean, you could, this is /k/ and they're too small to put up a fight

Honestly just don't go below strong .357/10mm range. Glock 20/29 is your best affordable option for 10mm and good .357 revolvers are so numerous that there's no point in listing them all. You will want long-barrelled .357 since they really profit a lot from it.

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>>34042486
just let me rub myself down in doe in rut, astroglide, and grease paint.
do you think i'm from enumclaw or something?

>>34042459
No problem, common mistake. Yea I know my odds are pretty good, but I've read a few reports from the trail where people have gotten too close with grizzlies, sometimes unexpectedly. I know the chances of me ever having to use or even draw a weapon is pretty slim, but peace of mind can be really nice on long hikes like this. Settling down after an exhausting day and having a *little* bit less stress/fear can go a long way over several weeks. Honestly, one of the most attractive things about carrying for me is the noise. Firing off a few rounds will likely make a bear (especially black) fuck right off, and if they decide to get too cozy I can spray em. If they don't go away after the noise and getting sprayed, chances are I'm in pretty deep trouble and Ill be pretty happy to have a defense, as opposed to just a deterrent.

I'm currently 19 and will be 20 when the hike rolls around, so I cant carry in Washington anyways (not that I would), but the open carry ages are 14 and 16 in Montana and Idaho respectively. Ive hiked plenty in the north Cascades and pretty much heard the same thing, you would have to be one unlucky SOB to run into a grizzly anywhere in WA. The Olympics are loaded, but only black bears. After reading alot of the insight in this thread, I think Ill definitely be picking up a Glock 20. Thanks for the input.

>>34042493
Yea, everything I've seen says a hot 10mm load is the lightest you can go to consistently get enough penetration to be effective.

>>34042447
Yea dude, Im incredibly stoked to get on trail. Mountains, deserts, glaciers, rainforest, beaches, Columbia River. So much diversity on the same trail. Plus I can through hike it in a summer.

>>34038934
>revolver out of budget
>10mm isn't

What?

Also, carry a pump 12ga with slugs. Deal with the weight.

>>34042603
>deal with the weight
Only someone who has never done a through hike would say this.

Honestly anon, for my purposes, I think an automatic is the better option. I would rather have more shots with lower recoil. I might get unlucky and not get any penetration, but I have read multiple accounts of people dropping Alaskan grizzlies with G20's.

>>34042621
>>34042603
I definitely haven't ruled out a revolver, but for the aforementioned reasons, I am leaning towards an automatic.

>>34042621
Any situation in which you will absolutely need to defend yourself from a bear will involve the bear charging you at full speed, likely taking you by surprise.

If you go for bear spray, you will die. The spray is not guaranteed to hit the bear in the eyes and make it go away. More likely, it will continue the charge just like humans who have been pepper sprayed and tazed will continue to charge police. Only the bear will maul you to death.

If you go for a gun, you will likely only have time for a handful of shots before the bear reaches you. In such a high stress situation, you're probably only going to get a couple rounds on target, and those will likely be in the body, not the head. If your ammo is too weak, the bear continues to charge and you die. If your ammo is too hot, you may struggle to land consecutive hits on target, but you're more likely to bring it down with fewer rounds.

The solution then is to use a firearm with a stock, which you can bring to target and keep on target more easily with more powerful ammunition. These will allow you more reliable follow up shots on target with loads powerful enough to take down bears. Examples include 12ga shotguns, .45-70 leverguns, or semi-auto 30 caliber rifles.

Yes, 10mm can sometimes get the job done (obviously it's better than nothing), and as many have pointed out, it's probably unlikely that you'll even encounter a bear at close range if you're smart about how you handle food, BUT if you are seriously concerned about surviving a bear attack, pack a light weight "long gun" in something powerful. Otherwise, if you're dead set on a pistol, get a more powerful revolver and learn how to manage it's recoil.

>>34042621
>>deal with the weight
>Only someone who has never done a through hike would say this.
This.
You aren't going to stop a brown bear without a rifle/shotgun.

>>34042677
Completely_full_of_shit_but_disguising_it_with_vague_sense.thepost

https://www.amazon.com/Bear-Attacks-Causes-Avoidance-revised/dp/158574557X
https://www.amazon.com/Mark-Grizzly-Revised-Updated-Stories/dp/0762773251/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=54X38BM95A7KGFXZWMG3

Good luck comfortably carrying a stocked firearm for X hundred miles but bringing it to bear while one of the cunts is charging you. Bear spray has been proven a more effective deterrent than firearms unless the bear is preying upon you.
I honestly question whether you have ever been outdoors with a pack.

>>34042705
>you arent going to stop a brown bear without a rifle/shotgun.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/alaskan-hiker-stops-charging-brown-bear-at-6-feet-with-10mm-handgun/

I could find more examples, but one is enough to make my point. That statement is just demonstrably false. It is certainly possible. Now, you certainly have to hit the bear in order to drop it, but a hot 10mm load CAN stop a charging bear. Is it the best cartridge for the job? No. In fact its pretty much the worst viable option, but it is still viable.

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>>34038409
Marlin Guide Gun

>>34041485
Nice kill. Was it an instant drop or did the hill run around for a while? Did you eat it?

>>34042732
>It is certainly possible.
Gee, you just broke western society. Which bathroom do you use Xir?

>>34042788
Youre trying really hard to be clever, and it isnt working.

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>>34042810
>anecdotal deviance outweighs scientific research and statistical data
>tryhard accusations

>>34042820
Uh, you haven't established these are "anecdotal deviance". For the amount of people getting charged by bears who also happen to be carrying a G20, there sure seems to be a lot of "deviances". Can you show me any of this "statistical data" youre citing?

Also yea, youre trying really hard lmao

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>>34042908

>>34038409
>atf kills doggo again
how can we stop these faggots?

>>34041864
You know that the number of wolves is so low that they're ecologically moot.

>>34040906
Well there aren't a lot of options for 10mm.
>Tanfoglio Witness
>G29/20/40
>various 1911s
>a few discontinued weapons like the MP5/10, S&W 1006, and Bren Ten
>literally two PCCs in current production: Aero Survival Rifle and Kriss Vector

>>34042908
>>34042820
>>34042810
>>34042788
>>34042732
>>34042732
Fucking idiots. Dudeguy is right, you CAN stop a bear with 10mm, it's just not a first pick.

Neither of you know what half the words you use even mean though; your argumentative skills are akin to a toddler, in both cases.

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>>34038409
Personally I wouldn't rely exclusively on a regular handgun innawoods. I have a regular AK and an AK "pistol". I'd probably be bringing the one that shits out fireballs the size of beach balls and is readily fired from the hip (pic very related). It's fast to reload (practice), easy to use (practice), the mags are big (standard AK mags), and they're not exactly hard to carry either (just get a tac vest or some old commie style chest rig at the local airshit store). The only real issue on mine is no sling point but that's honestly pretty simple fix with a little piece of stamped steel you can find by googling "draco sling mount". Slap a quad rail and a light/laser on it and you're set. To my knowledge lasers are perfectly legal so long as you're not intentionally hunting an animal with it, defense only and that IS the way it is in Idaho last I checked. It will also be awesome to have a portable sun on your gun in the event you fuck up and don't get a fire/camp set up before nightfall while innawoods.

Take the regular handgun as a backup of course but carrying 2-4 40 round mags of 7.62x39 beats just about anything your average handgun could hope to do and mags are a hell of a lot cheaper to buy and fill even with the good stuff.

Me being me I would also get a nice sharpened boar spear tall enough I couldn't fall on unless I really fucked up. Good walking stick and it should already be in your hands and ready to rock should you get caught by surprise. If it's good enough to hunt boars with it's probably good enough for most things.

I would be more wary of wolves and cougars than grizzlies desu. Grizzlies will fuck you up but unlike the other two usually are not that interested in eating you, especially since the rains have probably brought out plenty of fat and happy durr feasting on the unusual amounts of greenery this year. There's also moose and they're assholes if you get too close.

Important thing, pack like you're going to get lost.

>>34038580
That's a very sexy collection

>>34042677
>bear spray
>for the eyes
Check out the Californian here guys

Op, I've spent a lot of time in glacier canoe camping, so everything was off trail. Some parts you'll see bears every other day. Make noise. Follow good food prep/cleaning/storage habits. If a gun makes you feel safe go for it, but it's not an excuse to get lazy with the other stuff.
The closest my bear spray got to use was in a coeur d'alene 7/11 parking lot.

>>34044980
Watch out for the occasional meth heads.

>>34044980
Thanks anon. Like I said in my post, Ive spent time in bear country before and I know bear safety (food, noise making, where not to set up camp). Having a pistol more than anything would make me feel a little bit better.

Lmao, a 7/11 parking lot? Closest Ive come is out on the Olympic Peninsula. Had a momma and some cubs bounce on by a bit to close for comfort.

>>34044691
Hahaha anon, I appreciate you intentions, but none of those things are viable for me. A handgun is my only option, I simply cannot afford to be carrying around 7 pounds strapped to my chest. I will be hiking day in day out over mountains and through thick bush. Ideally, I will be carrying no more than 30 pounds total, including food.

Carrying a AK pistol, a handgun, and a spear just isnt realistic for the type of thing Im undertaking.

>>34046618
At the very least I'd still go for the wee little AK even if I could only carry one weapon. There's still some crazy folks in the panhandle area and there's seriously a shot you could get stalked by wolves up there as they've been trying to reintroduce them for years. Capacity is king and rifle round>pistol round. With the right sling it should be an easy thing to at least carry the gun and a mag. At least for me I would never go dicking around in the local mountains without it (assuming I'm not carrying the full size).

The spear is pretty much just in place of a walking stick if you use one. I would but it's not exactly a necessary thing. On the bright side it can't jam and you never need to reload lol.

Anyways good luck anon. Should be a great trip. Just be safe about it.

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Just a heads up if bringing a semi auto. I see a lot of bears where I live and one started hissing and barking at me. The thing was pretty far away, maybe 200 feet or so, but just didn't want to leave so I pulled out my pistol and just kinda aimed it at the ground off to my right to scare it away. I fired and the bear ran like hell. I went to reholster my pistol and the fucking thing had the empty case stuck in it. By just casually aiming at the ground and shooting with one hand caused a limp wrist failure.

>>34049361
He's not going to be dragging a heavy as fuck AK with him, as cool as those things are for a truck gun. A G20 with 200/220gr hardcast is his best option if he's not getting a 4" 44mag. Not to sound like nutnfancy, but weight really starts to matter when you're pushing 10+ miles/day of non-flat trails.

>>34050429
If you think a draco is heavy you've never actually held one or REALLY need to hit the gym. They're surprisingly light for what they are.

What's your guys take on this? Hard cast +P 9mm, testamony at the bottom of the page from I dude who took down a grizzly bear with his lil 3.5 barrel guide gun.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388

>>34038409
.454 casull is going to be your best bet for a pistol.
Depending on the bear, shooting a warning shot may scare it away and you will only get one or two shots so it may as well be the round that is LOUD as FUCK and also used by many in Alaska because it can kill a grizzly easily.

Pistols are actually shit though.
The best weapon against bears is bear spray and a shotgun loaded with slugs.

>>34051026
>.454 casull is going to be your best bet for a pistol.
>>34040337

>>34050485
OP here. Listen dude, I know youre trying to be friendly and offer advice, but when it comes to through hiking it has nothing to do with "hitting the gym". Im gonna be hiking over 20 miles a day, every day, for weeks, over 3 mountain ranges, in the rain and the cold. A draco unloaded weighs over 5 pounds, loaded its pushing 7.

7 pounds is more than my back pack, tent, sleeping bag and sleeping pad put together. 7 pounds is 4 days worth of food. A glock 20 fully loaded weighs 2.5lbs, which is pretty close to the max I would be willing to carry. A few pounds, as much as it might not sound like it, absolutely makes a difference.

>>34050429
This guy gets it.

It has nothing to do with being tacti-cool, its just the truth. My base weight is gonna be less than 20 pounds. Adding 7 to that with a loaded AK pistol just doesnt make sense.

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>glock 29
>subcompact 10
>quick followups

Would 10mm suffice for sasquatch or dogmen?

>>34051738
Quicker follow-ups than any big bore revolver, friend.

>>34051730
>>34051732
Meant that guy specifically needed to "hit the gym". It's not "heavy as fuck" as he put it, it's not even really heavy at all. "Heavy as fuck" would be saying you ought to carry something like a damn BAR.

I get it you're relying on your pistol and rolling lightweight, good luck man. Just at least carry extra ammo and some spare mags. I REALLY don't want to hear about how someone else went missing out there. I especially do not want to hear about you being found after getting mauled or eaten on.

>>34051832
The felt recoil/muzzle flip from a .44 Magnum out of a Model 29 is less severe than 10mm out of a subcompact polymer pistol.

>>34038409
Why'd you shoot kitty?

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>>34038409
Why not a .45-70? Apart from the relatively low capacity I don't see any disadvantages

>>34051880
Fair enough. I appreciate your concern and input, Ill make sure to be safe. Cheers.

>>34051940
Weight, same answer to any other full size rifle. A 45-70 unloaded weigs 7 pounds, loaded you can add another 1/4 pound. I simply cannot carry something that heavy on a trip like this.

>>34052000
I get your point, but if I were to carry a gun for peace of mind, I'd get something that's more sure to shoot down something like a bear.

>>34051895
Wow, really? Like I said, I havent ruled out a revolver. I definitely wont be going with a sub-compact. I would get a glock 20 if I do go with a automatic.

>>34052031
Its less a matter of what I would LIKE to do and more a matter of what I CAN do. Im hoping to find the best option for my situation, not the best option for stopping a bear.

>>34039526
Use xtrmeme penetrator. Underwood or buffalo bore. Accept no others for real 10mm. Otherwise, you get expensive .40 Smith&Memeson.

>>34038916
i get the ultralight appeal especially if you have a 1200 mile trek planned but gd dude 20 pounds is nothing, people trek with 40+ all the time

>>34038409
Revolver in .454 casull

>>34039526
If you're close enough to spray the bear he's close enough to close in and fuck you up before you can draw, shoot, and let the bullets work their vascular magic.

>>34039569
Glocks have pretty decent triggers, you just suck at shooting.

>>34044198
There's quite a few more 10mm guns out there, and you can still get 10mm mp5 clones

>>34055191
Not going to argue on quality of the shooter if the glock trigger would throw off shots at pistol range. That said glock triggers are low end of average. Absolutely functional and more than sufficient for anything besides competitive shooting (and higher skill levels at that)

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>>34041380
I had a similar experience with a moose
>in the hills above my town in Washington with friend getting high in the forest having a good old time
>its getting late so we start heading back down the mountain
>suddenly there is a female moose standing not 10 feet from me
>my first instinct is to start screaming at it
>"oi cunt, fuck off, fuck you cunt" in a really bad Australian accent
> my friend doesn't see it till he's right behind me and thinks I've smoked myself retarded
> I'm still screaming at this very large moose as he sees it and drags me by my shirt collar back up the trail, as I continue to berate the animal
we ended up going around a different way and bushwhacked to the trail, and man we were laughing all the way down

>>34042376
holy shit you are going through the yaak? I've been there 3 times, and never without some form of firearm. thats where they relocate the naughty bears from yellowstone

>>34038409

Go with the longest barrel and the hottest rounds you can shoot quickly. Better yet get a .45-70 guide gun (18" barrel, 5+ round capacity)

What part of your brain thought: "I may need to kill a bear in self defense. I'll get absolute minimum and just hope I don't get mauled."?

'Cause that shit is dumb.

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>>34055993
Kek I started screaming the Navy seal copy pasta at a black bear once when hiking, good times.

>>34055041
Uh, not really. I think you would be very, very hard pressed to find anyone hiking a trail like the PCT or AT with a base weight anywhere NEAR 40 pounds.

Im getting a pretty strong impression you dont really know what you're/I am talking about.

don't take a gun OP, it's obvious that you have a death wish

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>>34038409
what happens if you shoot a bear in self defense in the woods?

Do you become the legal owner? Can you have it stuffed? Can you make a Roman-style bearskin coat?

AR Pistol 9" in .300 AAC Blackout.
Lightweight, high capacity, accurate. Good vs Bear, Moose, Mountain Lions, Wolves & Methheads.
That's all I take with me when I go innawoods. North WA.

When you get serious definitely handle a G20. It is a big grip. The G20SF is a little slimmer.

>>34057161
Lol stay inside then, and never get to enjoy nature in its purest form. What is life without risk? Why are you such a pussy?

>>34058038
Thanks anon. Ill keep that in mind.

>>34059085
Because you are talking about shooting a grizzly. And instead of using a .45-70 guide gun or a .44 you want to save money.

Not who you were replying to btw.

Really don't get the deep need to stick to 20lbs. Just carry a better gun and stop pretending a few extra pounds is going to make the trip impossible.

Get a 4 inch 500 mag. Load that fucker with the hottest ammo you can load, and blow the bear's head out it's ass. Then you won't need a second shot.

>>34061035
Better not miss.

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>>34051880
>BAR as a bear gun
>Bear charges
>Heft huge ass BAR from my shoulder
>hipbrace.jpg
>CLINK CRAK-AK-AK-AK-AK
>Bear is now a dink
>More dinks arrive to investigate
>REMOVE
>DINK
>BAPBAPBAPBAPBAP-
> A DNR officer wakes you up the next day with a look of disgust and fear on his face
>You're covered head to toe in bear guts, shit, blood, and cum.
>Dick caught in the BAR's ejection port
>With the bolt half closed
I think a BAR as a bear gun would be neat.

>>34042376
How long would that hike be?

>>34060926
5 pounds does make a big, big difference. No matter how much you all try and say otherwise. Ill say what Ive already said:

Someone who knows anything about through hiking wouldnt ever tell me to "just deal with the weight"

>>34038409
>Piece of mind
I seriously don't know why everyone screws up this phrase. It's "PEACE of mind" goddamnit! Also; don't get a fucking 10mm Glock for a "mountain gun", that's taking a serious gamble with your safety.

>>34062637
Yea, that was a mental slip. I said it correctly in later posts, but I found myself typing "piece" instead of "peace" even then. Kinda weird

>>34038916
>20lbs
How? Serious question.

If you just weight my tent + sleeping bag + foam mattress + food for three days, it's like 15 pounds.

>>34052074
I would try firing both before buying either senpai

Honestly in this situation I would bring a rifle just to feel like Davey Crockett.