MILSURP/CAMO/MILITARIA THRAED

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Vintage Portland General Electric bag. Looks like a military made bag that PGE reclaimed?

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>>34035593

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>>34035949

Still mad they are going to close it down

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Oi Telny, you alright?

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Why are all the cool flight helmets expensive

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>>34039106
Because they're cool.

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>thought I found a cadpat set at a yard sale
>it's just a knockoff airsoft set
Oh well it was only 5 bucks

>>34040793
show tags.

I've got a german military jacket from I think 1992. I'll have to dig it up and see if anyone knows more about it than I do

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>>34040793
Tag look like this?

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>>34040847

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>>34040933

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>>34040946
Here's the tag

>>34040953
From what I gather, these aren't ultra rare super expensive, but it was still a badass 5 dollar thrift store find. Apologies for the shitty pictures

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>>34040933
>>34040946
Not much to say. Basic German Flecktarn cold-dry weather parka, very well made, cut, good looking, and standard issue of the Bundeswehr and /k/.
Yours is an earlier one with the field dressing pocket on the right arm and front chest button provisions for the old box lantern that was also present on the older moleskin and wool uniforms of the West German Bundeswehr.
Most people also pick up the liner from the fleck Gore-Tex (technically Sympatex I believe) parka and wear that under the cold-dry parka, as it is also very well made and greatly improves the warmth of it.

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>>34040828
>>34040905
Pants also have a similar tag, albeit they say trousers

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>>34041518
Hm, IDK. I don't know if different variants or years had different tags.

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>>34034623
>spring storm
gotchya senpai

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>>34041170
Don't apologize, Jap is right. Fleck is a based pattern. Everyone should have some. Five bucks is a pretty good deal, stuff is only getting harder to find for cheap, especially old stuff.

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>>34038758
Yes.

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Also thanks to a TrenchTip™ I picked this up.

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>>34046435
>>34046435

OwO what's this

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>>34046440
On the same garment.

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I mean it;s a fake cap'n, but not as we know it. I mean riptop is relatively modern. No labels at all. From where did the fabric come.

>>34046459
Pretty effay tho

>>34046466
Fits a bit weird, sleeves are massive and the body is quite snug. I haven't got a worn pic yet.

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Fun/useless fact: It is within BW regulations that you can wear the Gore-tex liner under the standard parka.

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>>34047378
shes cute.

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>>34047479

>>34047479
That's one hell of a manly jawline for a she.

>>34047572
Well she's german. What do you expect?

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>>34047594
It's a hit and miss with Germans. But hey, she might have a great personality.

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Found some M05 Lithuanian for sale, thought I might write about what I've found out.

The M05 camouflage was introduced to the Lithuanian Army in the 2000s. Over the years, the uniform has been revised and several variants are known to exist, with different pocket locations and Velcro additions. Additionally, the shades and colors in the uniform can vary (sometimes significantly) depending on date of manufacture and the manufacturer.

I have been able to find two manufacturers that have manufactured the uniforms for the military. The first is LTI (Lithuanian Textile Institute), which appears to be either partially or fully state-run. The second manufacturer that has been contracted to make M05 uniforms is 'Eisiga', which some years ago had a contract cancelled and was forced to pay a fine for providing the Lithuanian Army with substandard uniforms. I am unsure if Eisiga has started producing uniforms for the Lithuanian Army again, but there is a good chance that they have. I have seen M05 pattern jackets made by 'Tuma', but I have only ever seen claims that Tuma is not a supplier to the military and is instead a manufacturer for the commercial market. Because of this, I cannot say with confidence that Tuma manufactures M05 for the Lithuanian Army (they did, however, make several uniforms for Iraqi forces). There may exist other manufacturers that I am unaware of, and I am currently trying to figure out more.

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>>34048995
I heard they just recently tightened the vise on letting uniforms escape into circulation.

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>>34049070

>>34050094
I remember seeing something about fines and penalties being instated. I think it had to do with unit/ name tabs. The only thing exempted, IIRC, was the Lithuanian flag.

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>>34051064
I haven't seen any since the set I pointed out to Alpen. Just the odd shirt, hat, or helmet cover.

>>34051179
Which is a damn shame, since it's such a bomb-ass camo. I found a set, but my heart's not in it since the size might be too small.

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>>34051189
Might be worth it if it gets more rare.

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>tfw just now realized how similar Estonian and Lithuanian camos are

Meanwhile Latvia insists on being a special snowflake with Minecraft Multicam ACUs.

>>34051226
Fuck it, lads, I'm buying it. If it's too small I'll give it to my shorter younger sister or resell it.

It's not cheap, but the example I found is exactly what I want. Pants and field jacket match and have a dark green base (as opposed to the light green and medium shades that are sometimes found, the former of which looks funky). The winter jacket also uses a darker base.

Anyone have experience with M05 cuts? I bought Polish camo once and that shit runs huge.

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>>34051260
Baltic patterns are all cool

>>34051261
You'd have to ask Alpen, he has a desert and woodland set IIRC

>>34051260
You are now aware that Latvia is worst Balt.

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>Four men
>Three different shades

Why does it vary so much from manufacturer and date? The winter jacket in the kit I'm getting is the same shade as the third from the left, and the field jacket and pants from the kit I'm getting are like the first on the left.

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Hey surp-soldats
I've recently got into collecting and because of my financial situation. Czech gear just calls to me. Rugged, useful. Warm and usually cheap but I was looking at Czech equipment and wondering what In the actual fuck that vest on the right is.

>pic related

>>34051450
None of that is Czech, it is all Soviet gear. The vest on the right is a combined body armour/LBV set up.

>>34051285
While still being the only one without a shitty conscript military.

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Can anyone ID this particular model?

I know it's French and presumably air force, but don't know the actual designation

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>>34050714

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>>34048995
>>34050094
>>34051179
>>34051226
>>34051260
>>34051283
>>34051305
>tfw ywn get your hands on Lithuanian M05, especially in your size
>tfw no qt3.14 Lithuanian army gf to smuggle camo out of the country with

>>34053419
No clue. Looks like a deck jacket.

>>34056485
I'll point you in the way of a source once my shit goes through. It won't be cheap though

>>34046187
>>34041170

Awesome, thanks for the info guys! I'll definitely look into getting a liner to make it warmer, it's a great jacket for innawoods but definitely not too warm.

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>>34061794

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just copped myself a Genocide™ Parka

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/jna-genocide-parka-surplus/26442

anyone have one? what should I expect? anything else I should get to compliment it?

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I'm going to sell away my RD-54 in flora pattern.

How many euros should i ask for it?

>>34063341
3.5

>>34040933
Veeeeeery rare... in Poland you can get those in price under 2$

>>34062858
stfu

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>>34034623
>want flecktarn
>/bigguy/, want either GR11 or GR16
>both out of stock in surplus stores
>both cost over 3x MSRP in normie thrift stores
>find it online, ships from england
>pay out the ass for shipping
>finally arrives
>they sent the wrong size
>have to pay more shipping to send it back and exchange it

>>34064308
God save the queen chum.

>>34063370
not enough

>>34064610
I can offer a handjob and a copy of God and the State for it. Heads up though, I will be sobbing throughout the handjob.

>Go through the shit with seller
>Hyped as fuck for M05
>Ask how he wants payment
>Won't respond

pls respond :(

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>>34064426
Based queen

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Which ones do you chaps fancy? I use sno-seal as the first treatment and then saddlesoap/polish/mink oil for maintenance afterwords. I've never used Huberd's but now I've found some I'm tempted to use it on my jump boots.

>>34070288
I use neatsfoot oil since that was what was used historically.
I would say mink oil is acceptable since it's a natural product and around at the same time as neatsfoot, but I've never tried it.

idk if it's related but I forgot to mention I picked up a 1956 Kipling compilation

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>>34070288
I used huberds shoe OIL to recondition that first pair of my 1950's boots. it made the leather supple again. Huberds oil has a smokey like smell.

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>>34071198
My 2nd pair that is unused but issued. Btw the heel on my 2nd pair DOES match the design of the m1948 russets

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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/you-see-armed-police-your-13092081

Well then.

>>34041170

Is $33 + shipping a fair price for a surplus uniform? Coat and trousers.

>>34071457
Dont be intolerant!

>>34071457
>BTP chief constable Paul Crowther said:
"By having firearms officers on board trains we're ensuring that trains remain as safe as possible for passengers."

He's admitting guns keep people safe.

>>34037174
I really, really want an early "red lizard" uniform but I haven´t seen a piece for sale in years. :(

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>>34073821
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>>34073821
I know someone who is selling an original Israeli issue TAP 47/56 smock.

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All my recent purchases are international :(

>>34074959
I bought some of that Dirt Road Safari stuff and I'm done up like the man from Del Monte.

>>34073990
>Israeli
Oy vey

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New arrival, as seen temporarily on Jyn in Rouge One.
Ruck dated 1986, yoke/straps 1953, not sure if the M60 designation is incorrect or they were from an earlier ruck and converted to use on the M60.
Ever so slightly more capacity than the East German kampfrucksack, has an internal divider for a folded blanket/poncho/ground roll on the interior, drawstring main opening, and two smaller pouches. Yoke attaches via metal hooks and doubles as the suspenders for the combat webbing.

>>34074959
>All my recent purchases are international :(
I've been buying ebay stock. and saving for ammo.

>>34074959
>want to wear shirts like that with the chevrons on it along with patches
>cant because non military and didn't serve
guess I gotta enlist then :^)

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Bought pic related, i'm gonna build a vietnam helmet piece by piece, gonna buy the liner next, then the shell and finally chinstraps and helmet band.

>>34078386
Don't forget a non-reflective band, to tuck any mixture of: LSA bottle, type II insect repellent, pack of Marlboros/card of matches, peace slogan pins, ace of death card, couple of loose 7.62mm, grenade pins...

>>34078726
Might do that too. So were the korean war chinstraps still used for nam helmets or was it the ones with that chin cup? Was that one for paratroopers or both infantry and paratroopers?

>>34078386
Are you going for anything specific with your setup?

>>34078850
Not really. Just a simple vietnam helmet. I might get the liner off from Jmurray if I can't find a decent one on ebay. Mainly going for an infantry style. So when i do get all the necessary parts. i do want to get some decorations to put in the helmet band.

>>34053419
Looks like a black artillery jacket

>>34078895
I'm just asking 'cause things like helmet liners, helmet covers, helmet bands, and even what guys would stuff in helmet bands kinda changes depending on the year, branch, and even unit.

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>>34078761
The normal band style ones were used by anyone that wasn't airborne. I'd put some gun oil, insect repellent, or Zippo in the band. Don't over-do it.

I created a helmet all by my self too, worked out great and was fun locating all the pieces.

DO NOT PUT THE HELMET COVER IN THE WASHING MACHINE. I bought my mint chinstrap, headband, and nape strap from Moore militaria. I bought the "post war" and he still gave me 1969 dated stuff, so bear that in mind to save a few bucks.

>>34078941
Yeah, the cove is dated 1970, so i think the 72-74 liner Jmurray has available would be okay. Not sure though, I do want a liner around the same year as the cover. Even if find a liner cheaper on ebay, i will ask the seller if they can find what year the liner was made if not shown in the picture
>>34079038
I would never put it through the washing machine. I might go with the gun oil and Zippo though. I think the slim zippos were used in nam so I might buy me one of those. Jmurray has a lot of cool helmet stuff now. I bought my ww2 liner from him along with the restoration stuff for the helmet i made for Sully

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>>34079164
Yeah, lucky enough I have my grandfather's old Zippo slim from 68-69. I bought a new one the other day just for shits

>>34079202
Nice, I forgot I have this brass zippo. But yeah when i get the helmet set up, the band accessories will be the final touch.

>>34071614
Too much. It will be fair if it would cost 3 $

>>34079164
>i will ask the seller if they can find what year the liner was made if not shown in the picture
I think only late 70's and early 80's helmet liners actually have a date in them. For earlier liners you kinda have to do some research on what kind was used when.

>>34079413
Oh alright, thanks for the tip!

>>34063370

So, people ask for price-estimates for their kit, which is as relevant as it gets on this subject and this is the answer?

Oh well, now i understand why the faggotry is contained in these threads.

>>34051450
Russian 6b3 Body Armor Vest.

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I'm hoping to get a russkie tanker lid (summer version) in my collection pretty soon
i just wish they all weren't so damn expensive for what they are
literally the cheapest i see them go for nowadays is $60 total

i blame WoT/RO players for using them as gaming headsets and driving up the market

>>34080366
I have a Cuban one

>>34080311
Give him an estimate yourself if you're so inclined, or shut up and go back to browsing threads about underage chinese cartoons on your tibetan yak-herding forum.

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>mfw you get a history lesson from reading this dude's ebay auction listings

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/192193731480?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

>>34078386
Got that of eBay?

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RIP camo budget

>>34082825
lol

>>34082825
just built me an ar, and bought some crye G3s; I feel brother

>>34081016
>not knowing that's camo anon
He doesnt come around anymore.

Worth getting an M40/55 stahlhelm? I'm thinking about it.

>>34081962
Yeah. I always wanted to get an original cover.

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IT'S A MISTAKE

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0AxrOUJ62E

>>34082825
More like RIP camoshits. Congrats on becoming a gunowner, something these teenage tripshits will never become.

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>>34084624

>>34084624
It's my 4th gun nerd get trolled

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>>34084624

>>34084709
kys trenchgunfaggot

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>>34084624
Hey welcome back.

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>>34087460

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Well the 'trans alert' boiler suit got some use.

>>34088041
kek I love it.

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Turns out these existed as early as 1995.
>teh moar you know

In any case, it's up for bids on eBay now.

>>34077170
>I've been buying ebay stock.

lol, why?

It's not a growing company and they don't pay a dividend.

>>34090628
Not that kind of stock.
I run a store. eBay.com/usr/zedthefed

>>34088041
too bad you're a hypocritical racist shit stain; choose one side bud, maybe then i wouldn't laugh at your existence

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>>34087879

>>34091366
Manchester.

>>34091465
What people from a non-British culture were killed by a person from a non-British culture, and you're part of a non-British culture? I'm very confused.

>>34091366
>>>/pol/ is that way dumb cunt. Fuck off

>>34090059
I still haven't pulled the trigger on one of these. But I will soon.

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Moar pics of my new AK. It's an SLR-107R with Russian 74 furniture.

>>34092415
mad

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>remember to check this auction
>1 second left

I'm beyond mad.

>>34094120
RIP

>>34094333
I honestly want to tear my eyes out. This is my second worst camo fuckup.

BTW, does IACMC remove accounts for being inactive? How would I restore mine?

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>>34094120
Shit that's a low price

>>34094387
I didn't post for over a year and I still had mine.

>>34094451
Okay, just checked my email and I found the correct password.

>>34094120
Shit I saw that listing at $28 but damn he got a good price out of that

>>34094516
>>34094544
I just saw where camo anon posted it to IACMC and was asking $120. I want to die.

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I keep finding nothing but US Navy officer stuff at thrift stores lately

>>34094120
>31 for a set of ruskie camo
THOSE DEALS WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS

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>>34094551
He'll have to go back to selling used car batteries at that rate.

>>34094387
>>34094451
Been browsing every few days lately, maybe I'll take some better pictures and make a post of my shit.

Wonder if I can show off my dog hunter jacket there

>>34095705
Holy fuck man i haven't seen you in a while. How have you been?

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Sheeeiiittt

>>34096594
nigga that's alpenflage

Now that lizard over there is actually valuable.

>>34096614
The coloration was unlike any Alpenflage I've ever seen. Lower contrast and much more subdued.

Basic bitch Portugese lizard is pleb-tier. It's ubiquitous and poorly made; not worth picking up even for a few EUR.

>>34096893
The pattern isn´t right for it to be leibermuster though. It might just be weird colored alpenflage but it definitely isn't leibermuster.

>>34096893
That's not Portuguese lizard, it's a horizontal pattern while Portuguese is vertical.

>>34096594
That looks like some commercial shit.

>>34094791
I had a WW2 LTCDR Jacket given to me at the last flea market I set up at.

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How difficult is a tigerstripe beret like pic related to come across?

>>34085904
Why we're replacing this beautiful bastard for a shitty Multicam variant is beyond me

>>34096399
Haven't had anything new to post about. I hadn't even been lurking here for a few weeks

>>34097833
Idiots at work

>>34097750
Check Moore Militaria. Com

Real ones are extremely rare and extremely expensive

>>34096215
ew

WHERE THE HELL DO I GET MILSURP GUN

GWAAAAAHHHHHHHG

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>>34101393
Weird way of typing hnnng

>>34097198
Ok so it's greek. Still not worth much of anything, especially across the pond.

>>34101393
Don't talk shit on night desert. I bet you like multicam don't you fgt

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>>34102176

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>>34103388
NZ DPM is such odd colors it always turns out darker and less vivid in my pics.

>>34078386
Lol nice. I have had a full helmet for a few years. Cool shit to have especially when playing Rising Storm 2. Liner is totally fucked up though

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>>34080366
Yo that's fucking bad ass. I'd totally mod that as a headset. I bought the tan VDV soft helmet for airshit and it's nice. Warning tho: shit runs small as fuck. Size 58 will squeeze the fuck out of your head

>>34094120
>>34094544
What section of ebay do you browse under to find mil surp like this...?

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Which of you spergs are in this?

>>34104131
I got rising storm 2 actually. I'm hype as fuck

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Found this for 50 shipped, Liner is dated 1968 which is perfect for the cover I got despite being from 1970. there is a small dent on the top so I know there's a way to get rid of that dent plus I'm thinking of restoring it to a vietnam helmet finish. I know i will need sand and I don't think a ww2 Khaki shade would be right. Should I restore the shell or keep it as it is and at least bang out the dent?

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>>34105144
Shit maybe the chinstraps too

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Is this a real Brazil camouflage or a shitty commercial one?

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>>34105144
I'm still fucking proud i restored this

>>34105144
>Should I restore the shell or keep it as it is and at least bang out the dent?
Yeah, banging out the dent shouldn't be too much on the helmet. Honestly though, you probably shouldn't try to "restore" it unless it's super fucking rusted. Also regarding Vietnam era helmet finish the color, from what I've found out is that helmets manufactured from 1968 and on were a "Munsell 10Y 3/3" color. But it is worth noting that helmets from previous eras were used in Vietnam with little done to them at all and unless the pot you bought is specifically an Ingersoll, Parish Division of Dana Corp, or an RJ Stampings helmet then the 1968 color finish would be incorrect.

>>34105154
From this pic it kinda looks like those chinstrap clips have green paint on them, and if they were originally only painted green and are also original to the pot then that actually dates the it to the Korean war era, though it's almost universally agreed on that those didn't see use in the Korean war due to earlier stock but were still manufactured during that time.

>>34105311
Alright man, well when i do get it in the mail, i will look closely at the chinstrap , I will bang that dent though and keep the helmet is it is. I don't want to remove the chinstraps so Im gonna try to fix that bent one up.

>Lithuanian man hasn't responded

RI fucking P

I'd like some ideas on what to put in the headband, i was thinking a zippo/p51 can opener I have but I'd like some ideas

>>34105662
Insect repellant, smokes, gun oil, play cards, map, photo, dog tags of fallen friends...
Hell get creative

>>34105662
Go through pictures, see what they actually put in their helmet bands, and from that go with what seems realistic to put in. Don't go for the stereotype.

I STAND CORRECTED

In my original post >>34048995, I stated that I had seen posts claiming that Tuma does not manufacture M05 camouflage for the Lithuanian Army. I stand corrected, and have found a document from the Lithuanian military that lists various manufacturers, of which one is indeed Tuma.

https://kam.lt/kam/download/7985/8-11_7.pdf

>>34103534
Could you dump pics of Fang Uniform usage by the Japanese? I don't see many pics of them in it

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>>34106515
I'm always on the lookout for more.

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>>34106515
Allegedly, Fang was developed for the Hokkaido forests as it was assumed the Soviets would invade from there, knowing if things (literally) went South, it wouldn't be effective, so they put their money into fortifying and developing their equipment and tactics for the Northern region to stave off the Soviets until help arrived.

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Designated "Camouflage Type 1", it is now known as the "old camouflage" or "the camouflage that doesn't camouflage" as they realized it was quite conspicuous everywhere except Hokkaido.

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>>34106147
I don't think Lithuanian camo is available commercially anyway is it? Otherwise we would see more of it.

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Also a small note, despite Camopedia's mention of it being introduced in the 80's there are several examples from the 70's, the earliest being from 1970.

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And that's basically all the good ones.
JSDF pics are also a goldmine of reaction images, especially the more recent ones.

>>34105190
Never seen that cut before,

>>34105190
>>34107282
Nah, it's real, I'm familiar with the cut.

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>>34105190
>>34107282
Looks real

>>34098836
Same here bretty much.

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Austrian Anzug 02 Jacket just arrived in the Mail.
Will probably wear it in the summer as a light jacket

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NEW STUFF

>>34109166
Neato, anything special about it?
>>34109160
Nice, been thinking about getting one. How is it?

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>>34109185
It was cheap

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New get.

>>34109185
Pretty comfy, would recommend. get it one size smaller though, those things are appenrantly made for thick people.

Looks pretty fuckin fashionable aswell.

>>34109234
All I need now is a scorpion one. Hardest to find by far.

IF ANYONE HAS TROUSERS OF ANY OF THE 4 PATTERNS, I'M BUYING.

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>>34109227

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>>34109425

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>>34109572

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>>34109739

>>34109234
How much did that go for?

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>>34109991

>>34110089
$105.

I'm thinking I might send the other guy that has one up an offer similar to what this one went for. Kinda want to have one of every variant, this being M81 w/ green velcro, his having black velcro.

I already have both variants of the 3-color CCU's, and one of the 3-color CU blouses.

Still no pants for any of them.

Thinking of going for the one AFH just put up too. I love CCU's.

>>34110232
That's pretty good. I only have a set of the 3color ccu's

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>>34110113

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>>34109234
>>34110089
I found this for $3 at the gun show in a pile of DCUs/BDUs.

>>34110358
I just got one of those for $4 at good will. I'm going to sell it to some eurotrash for $50

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>>34110358
Got this one at a thrift store for $8, and sold a crye one to De La

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>>34110322

>>34110322
fold it inside out i wanna see if this has who made it

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>>34110529
:(

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>>34110700

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I heard you goobers talking about Lithuanian stuff.

>>34111830
I genuinely don't know if that set fits me, I don't think I've ever put it on. If I remember right, it's pretty small.

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>>34111830

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>>34111846

>>34111830
Nice. I prefer the darker variants, but that's damn near impossible to find.

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>>34111830
>>34111930
There's a Lithuanian seller who occasionally gets the long-sleeve shirts and helmet covers.

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>>34034623
Anyone know where I can buy these BW 2000 boots? Varusteleka is sold out in my size (46) :<
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/bw-combat-boots-model-2000-surplus/4338

>>34112066
Interesting. I really wish I had some LTI model 01/06 though. Best cut and color combination of all M05 examples I've seen.

>>34091465
Wait, Telnyashkabro is a filthy Mancunian? Where abouts? Rusholme reporting in.

>>34112601
Afaik these have been out of production for a while now so I fear you're out of luck.
Any reason you want the 2000 instead of the 2005 model?

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>>34106892
>Thanks for the dump and info!

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>>34114841
Nein, I'm in Birmingham. I was up at Media City for some filming recently though and your tram is a hundred times better in every way. I've had the argument before with that guy that I won't respect a religion and the culture based around it when they are actively hostile towards me and people like me in general.

>>34116391
>actively hostile towards me and people like me in general
man you really think you're special aren't you? NO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT ABOUT A PIECE OF GARBAGE LIKE YOU. Sorry! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>34117410
Get the fuck out of here you Islam apologist cancer

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>>34117410
If not against western culture in general.

>>34116391
Seems a shame to denounce any culture based on the act of individuals. I don't know which religion you're referring to but I'm sure what it has contributed in regards to philosophy and the arts alone demands at least some respect.

>>34119304
wew laddie

>>34119313
no?

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>>34119304
That's right, you tell them. Ignore all of the literal murder encouraged in the Quran and the child rape endorsed by their prophet, those are all just right-wing conspiracies.

>>34119434
Not that guy, Alp, but reformed Muslims are no different than anyone else.

>>34119304
Firstly, you know exactly which religion I'm referring to. Secondly, whilst I don't automatically hate individuals I meet personally, I'm perfectly within my right to judge a culture by the people it produces; the situation of states or countries run under it and the way they conduct themselves as a whole. Islam and the Arabic world hasn't moved on since it's heyday and is in direct opposition to the progress being made elsewhere in the world. It may have birthed mathematics, but whitey took it to the moon.

>>34119434

"You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. . . . The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head." Deuteronomy 28:30-31,35

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves." Numbers 31:17-18

I think the term is Historical Context.

>>34119466
There is a marked difference between christianity plus the literal interpretation of the bible (on the wane and in the minority respectively) and Islam and the Quran, where the impression is it is taken to a dangerously serious level. For example the prevalence of Female Genital Mutilation in majority Muslims countries and the rapid tailing of of the practice even in African countries where Christianity is taken VERY seriously.

>>34119465
I'm just saying, as someone who actually took the time to read The Bible (albeit King James), The Quran and the Tripitaka in full, I think you need to cancel you subscription to The Sun.

>>34119529
Oh okay so it's not the scripture itself you hate or blame but just how it is interpreted by citizens of low wealth, poor education and corrupt law nations.

>>34119557
>i-it's not their fault or their backwards teachings, they're just oppressed :(

>>34119572
How stupid am I right, next I'll be saying theres some sort of connection between violence and areas of poverty within the USA.
Don't listen to me man, years of studying Socio-Political diversity has taught me absolutely nothing on this subject.

>>34119604
>years of studying Socio-Political diversity
And what are you doing with those thousands of dollars you spent? Whining about how brown people have no agency and nothing is their fault on a mongolian clay pottery forum.

>>34119445
I agree with you there. That's why Islamic terror attacks in America are less common. Unfortunately, world wide, most of them are not reformed.

>>34119466
>Historical Context
Why not just context? That second quote is literally talking about a war.

>>34119620
>>34119620
>Thousands
>Dollars

You come across as an outside-the-box thinker and I like that. I respect your ability to convincingly retort without addressing key points and aspire to reach your level of higher level of thinking.

>>34119645
Historical context refers to the moods, attitudes, and conditions that existed during a certain time. Context is the "setting" for an event that occurs, and the elements, conditions, and characteristics of this specific time will have an impact on the relevance of the event.

>>34119466
Also, if you're going to quote something, do it right. That second quote is riddled with your own words to make it fit your narrative.

>>34119534
If your conclusion was anything other than "They're all equally worthless in the modern day that was progressed past the need for them as social insititutions" I will be very disappointed. I'm not familiar with Buddhism except in passing, but I'll put money there's no allowance for alternative lifestyles under it either.

>>34119557
Funny how they seem to go hand in hand though, much the same as in ardently Catholic southern american countries. Chicken and Egg.

>>34119675
The implication is you're either a yurofag or didn't actually go to school for any of this. Either way you don't help yourself with that response, you just come off as an insufferable cunt. And you're one to talk, you ignored my point that all you're doing is virtue signalling to jack off your ego.

And you bring up the OT as a "gotcha" to show the Bible has things just as bad as the Quaran, but the difference is even hardcore fundamentalist Christians won't execute someone for wearing garments of two different kinds of fabric.

Plus the whole bit about Jesus forming a New Covenant and pretty much nullifying all those old laws, but you know, that doesn't matter if you can make Christianity look bad.

>>34110402
I'm lucky if I can find a beat up ACU top at thrift stores, and I go to tons of them.

>>34119690
You were right about my conclusion to a degree, I'm a sucker for art and poetry though so its one of my finer experiences. If it helps in your understanding of my personal stance on world religions, I prefer the term ancient scripture rather than holy books etc. However, I'm also proud we live in an era of self-realisation (Thanks Hegel) and so have no intention of treading on anyones faith.

I'm reading your second point as the exact one I was trying to make so not sure what you were expecting me to say?

>>34119712
Your final point is really an excellent example of Historical Context, assuming you're booked up on the various publications of the Bible over time.

Your second comment would have got me if you had been able to convincingly dispute my earlier point regarding violence in low-wealth areas which Telny seems to have grasped and I'm sure you will one day, visit a prison and do a headcount of well-educated middle class people.

First point seems like tiresome American brash but sure, I'll bite. Posting on an Anonymous messaging board seems a bad way to stroke my own ego.

>>34119740
I didn't realise you were being serious.

I take a stick to Islam because these attacks are real. They're happening now. If tomorrow I was at risk of a fundamental christian shooting up the Bullring then I would have the same attitude towards that.

Speaking of which, I don't know how you feel about it Trench but Far Cry 5 has me rock hard. it's like my ultimate /k/ fantasy: the game.

>>34119847
So had this been 30 years ago you would 'taking a stick' to Catholicism because of the IRA?

>>34119892
That would be an accurate statement.

>>34119912
That's a fair position to take I suppose, you can't help but be swayed by your own fears.
You don't seem to fear Catholicism now though, despite >>34046416, maybe in 30 years time you can denounce a new international culture.

>>34119970
I don't, I can't think of a single place I could go in England, Scotland or Wales I could go that I would suffer an attack off the back of Catholicism. The Irish have stopped bringing it here and I have the good sense not to take what I do there. I wouldn't have to be on this reactionary carousel if they would all just bugger off.

>>34120028
In 30 years time though, who knows right?

I also hope you don't think I'm against 'what you do', if anything I hope you could tell that from what I've been saying that this is not the case.

I've lurked in these threads for some time, You would love some of the textile work I do, and assumed you had at least some knowledge regarding contemporary history and appreciate the active and reactive nature of what has resulted in these current day issues with terrorism.

Good chat boys, I'll introduce myself as that 'insufferable cunt' next time I post in these threads.

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>>34119675
You know your shit my man. I've got some further learning to do.

>>34119847
I'm pretty excited about it. I didn't play 4 or Primal (which was literally the same map). I hope they don't go full ham with the "Jesus made me do it! White Power!"

>>34120142
I don't really like any of them as I'm not a big fan of digital patterns (barring a few that I really like). If I had to pick, probably MARPAT as I live in southern California. Also, ACU is a cut, not a pattern. The pattern is UCP.

>>34099811
Ha! I got that.

>>34120095
...Thanks. I think?
>>34120169
I'm hoping they go down the 'Individual freedom vs Any collective group seeking to impose upon others' route. That's the line of reason that stops me supporting the whole SJW movement in any way.

>>34120142
I'd go with MARPAT as well, in terms of effectiveness.

>>34120169
Thanks Alp, I've only just seen >>34119687 and assure you the quote was copy-pasted. I'm aware of it's origin though and don't remember it being much different if different at all?

>>34120231
I meant it with good intentions but cannot vouch for how it was interpreted, that's the online disinhibition effect for you I guess.

>>34120356
Tapestry?

>>34120356
>>34120401
>Numbers 31:17-18

biblegateway quotes as follows:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

>>34120356
Here's what I got from Bible Gateway. Only a few words are different but the differences in your source put a more negative connotation into the sentiment than mine.
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

"Kill all the boys" could be seen as a call to kill all males, or to kill male children. "Kill every male among the little ones" is literally "kill all male children."

"spare for yourselves" sounds a little more rapey to me than "save for yourselves."

It's all semantics (and a bit of projection, admittedly), really.

>>34120356
Jesus, I guess it just depends on the version. My quote is from the "New International Version."

>>34120475
Ah it'll be translation, my quote above says its from King James.

Book of Numbers for you, Yahwist.

>>34119847
I'm waiting to play it. I'm hype though.

>>34121099
Any of y'all check out Rising Storm 2: Vietnam?
If so, is it good? Worth picking up?

>>34121560
Definitely worth a buy.

>>34121635
The trailers looked good. I was kinda hoping there'd be more vehicles but I get what they mean about people abusing them.