Springfield apologizes

>>34034508
I think the chinese make better M1As for the $$ and they should fuck off

>>34034508
old news.also is rock river arms, rock island is the armscor brand

>>34034508
Was their legal team doing things independent of Springfield interests or were they doing exactly as they were told?

>>34034508
It's Rock River Arms not Rock Island Armory.

Rock River Arms is in Illinois.

Rock Island Armory, an Armscor brand, is based out of the Philippines with U.S. headquarters in Nevada.

holy shit I hate you people they apologized when they shouldnt have especially when the bill was meant to cut down crime
fucking read a book please you fucking idiots

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>>34034569
Excuse me, friendo, but according to my notes here, you're actually retarded.

>>34034593
how do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you post with a nazi frog picture? fuck off back to pol already

>>34034569
>>34034628
I understand /k/ is easy to troll, but what enjoyment could you possibly get from this?

>>34034628
Helper Pepe is a good boi, he dindu nuffin

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>>34034508
>We left it all up to one guy and he did it so we fired him
You Left wing leaning parasite, do you honestly expect me to sit here and listen to your drivel?

>>34034642
Gotta get those sweet sweet (you)s

ITT: the meaning of "well regulated" is lost on gun nuts.

>>34034698
>>>/reddit/

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>>34034698
>ITT: the meaning of "well regulated" is lost on gun nuts.
ITT: the 18th century meaning of "well regulated" is lost on shitlibs. Also, the 18th century meaning of "militia" is lost on them. Oh, and the entire meaning of the word "infringed" is lost on them.

>>34034508
It probably wasn't an accident at all but if they actually take steps to prove their loyalty to the 2A and consumers we should reward that for now.

>>34034569
Read more into it, that lobbying group SA and RRA made has been funneling money to anti gun dens for several years.
If you forgive them you are a fucking retard and a traitor. This shit is unforgivable and I feel dirty having bought a XDS from them 2 years ago

>>34034777
>has been funneling money to anti gun dens for several years
That's made up bullshit and you know it.

>>34034508
Can someone red pill me on this whole treachery thing with Springfield and Rock River? Or provide links to something? Been out of the loop for a while

It's like team Wendy v2.0

Im going over to their Facebook to see what shit storm is still brewing. For months after team Wendy they couldn't post without some sarcastic asshole making a comment, it was great.

>>34034820
>Presidential candidate who at the time was seen as likely to win wants to come visit your facility
>Telling them no

You guys are fucking idiots. I get it that it clearly turned out to not be a good move on their part to allow Hillary to tour their facility, but you also don't say no to that when you're competing for .mil contracts as well.

>>34034698
Colluding with anti gun socialists to pass laws to drum up gun scare purchasing by causing a panic is lost on dollar store college liberals

>>34034844
That's not even what happened. Anyway, the gun community creates 99% of their own panic buys because you guys are literally retarded.

Springfield and RIA will never have my money. Fuck them.

I hope they go bankrupt.

>>34034790
Okay SA inc. the evidence is all there, unless you want to continue discrediting TTAG when they found crystal clear evidence of IFMA funneling money into dirty dem pockets. Because you know the information is after all provided directly by the IL. gov considering the information must be disclosed as public record. Die in a fucking fire, thousands of emails have already gone out to Imbel and HSprodukt demanding that they drop Springfield - which would defunct SA because they import everything everyway

>>34034879
Post proofs

>>34034508
yea fuck them anyway for taking americas oldest firearms company and moving the manufacturing to gaddamn croatia.

i would never buy springfield for this reason alone. this other shit should have been expected from such a faggot company. they deserve to go bankrupt and disappear.

>>34034877
Rock River Arms. Not Rock Island Armory.

>>34034804
Google fucking TTAG. Report and petition bans for every Springfield and RRA apologist in this thread as a shill, it's already happening on other gun forums. IRL go to your local gun shops and ask them to stop selling SA and RRA

>>34035001
Thanks you angry turbocunt

>>34035001
>Silence all those who disagree with me
You are a faggot, faggot.

how am I supposed to get an M14 now that springfield fucked up?

>>34035028
Buy one used?

>>34034569
Redditfag pls go and stay go

>>34034838
Eat a fucking dick traitor, Team Wendy's owner was donating to Hillary in 08 and 16'. I don't even care that much about them because they make gear for police and .mil and the faggot owner never hid the fact that he was a dem.

A gun manufacturer is a whole different story altogether.

>>34034508
The comments section has some comedy gold...somebody shout screen cap it all

(I think Springfield is going to disable comments and the likes bar because the dislikes have passed the likes now...)

Maybe we can have it edited into a few reaction images.

Further there is one guy who hash tagged pissing on Springfield.

>>34034804
Non autistic answer
Google SB-1657
It a bill passed in Illinois that imposes some restrictions on firearm dealers.
SA and RRA supported this so most people saw this as a grave betrayal 2A rights

>>34035031
Oh man, everyone's going to be dumping their Springfield funz, time to buy cheap

>>34034508
If they successfully kill the bill then fine, I will accept the apology.

If it happens to go though I won't support Springfield till they either move or pass a bill nullifieing the bill in progress.

People should be allowed to make mistakes and make efforts to fix it.

>>34035092
No one is going to rush out to dump guns that they like unless they are ultra-/pol/ cunts who can no longer enjoy something they once loved because people within the company made some poor decisions that affected the people who produced the firearm for them.

Sure, go ahead and dump your guns. Your not making a statement. Springfield already got your money, and now someone else is going to enjoy them. You sure showed them.

>>34034519
I hope Trump gets rid of the import bans, I would buy the shit out of norinco's clones

>>34035109
>not a student of firearm related history

>>34035116
Trump is a protectionist, he's not going to lift those bans. Just as he's looking to make imports on cars heavily taxxed, he'll probably do the same with guns.

>>34035079
>SA and RRA supported this so most people saw this as a grave betrayal 2A rights
they opposed it, but after a carve out for Illinois Manufacturers (read them) they dropped opposition, but they did not "support" it either.

>>34034950
I'm not going to hold your fucking hand and do this dance with you shill. Reported.

fucking stupid subhuman flips, shouldve known theyd try to fuck over gun rights.

gonna sell my RIA shit ASAP. I might even chop them up and melt them.

>>34035142
Thank you for proving that the average gun owner is a sub-human with bottom-feeder tier IQs.

>>34035129
Implying that dude even knows which hand he writes with.

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>>34035142
RRA! NOT RIA!

Two different companies

>>34035131
So basically the truth is that you have nothing but what you regurgitate after reading it on TTAG

>>34035164
I'd rather give money to RRA than RIA anyway. I'm not even mad at RRA tho desu.

>>34034978
Are you fucking retarded? Springfield was a government run Armory. The government defuncted it around the time of the M16's adoption and this CEO pricks family bought the name 10 years later when the .gov was having a fire sale. That's literally it, the M14 tooling went to Taiwan and the Garand tooling went to Italy and several other countries. They bought a name and a logo have been a firearms importer ever since.
Now you are informed and can make a sound consumer decision.

>>34034978
They didn't move to Croatia, HS Produkt, a Croatian arms company makes their own shit and they just gave Springfield permission to put their mane on HS products. Stop saying faggot things you don't know about.

>>34035156
Thank you for demonstrating how liberals think

>>34035181
give ria your money. do not give rra your money.

rra are the ones involved, not ria.

Just making sure we're on the same page, you seem confused fampachi

>>34035017
>>34035023
Always kill a traitor before an enemy Jimbo. No remorse for bitch ass no guns making excuses because they want a Shitfield Inc. cast M1A some day.

>>34035221
RRA did nothing wrong.

>>34035230
Quit talking tough you little pig nosed bitch.

>>34035092
I'm the most vehement Springfield hater here, I'm not dumping my XDS. HSprodukt made an okay gun and it serves perfectly well in a cheap holster duct taped to the side of my toilet. I trust it to defend myself when I am in the most precarious of situations- taking a monster shit. Wouldn't carry it though, trigger sucks and fuck grip safeties

>>34035270
I'm not dumping my SA 1911 or my RRA stripped lower

Friendly reminder this is a troll thread. Sage.

I'm still planning on buying a new SA 1911, sorry not sorry.

>>34035332
Do it, they're nice. Fuck the company, but who cares. It's a better 1911 than Colt at a lower price.

Thread is quickly devolving into shit

>inb4 hurr I was only pretending to be retarded

>>34035270
>cheap holster duct taped to the side of my toilet

Legit lol'd
thanks, I needed that

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>>34035247
oh, you're not confused. You're just a shill that supports gun control, and excessive limitations on manufacturers.

RRA's money went to lobbyists that are directly responsible for this. So either they're an incompetent company who doesn't pay attention to what they funding is doing (less likely) OR they supported the steady increase of gun control to line their pockets.

Either way, I'm never giving them my money. Fuck Rock River Arms, and Fuck Springfield. Their guns suck anyways.

>>34035384
Other than the grip zone meme, what's wrong with springfield?

>>34035168
TTAG gives links to lobbying reports and provides images from them confirming not only their withdrawal on opposition but lobby moneys from IFMA going to several anti gun dems. All of this shit has to be reported, it's all public domain. Everything linked from TTAG is directly reported from the state government of IL.
I don't know how clearer it can fucking get and I'm not going to link the TTAG article when it's literally piss easy to find and is their most viewed article, ever.

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>>34035384
>You're just a shill
Pic related

>I'm never giving them my money
You don't have money to give them anyway. Also SA's 1911s are nice.

>>34035247
Die in a fire no guns faggot shill, take Reese with you

>>34035434
>no guns faggot shill
Post your guns

>>34035332
Buy it used? Your local gun store may not have them in stock anymore anyway, a metric shutting of gun stores have dropped SA and RRA

>>34034628
>nazi frog

I think you have your offensensitivity set just a bit too high. Lets do a test and find out;

I'm a middle aged white male, hetero, married to a biological woman, employed, homeowner and gun owner. How many of those descriptors piss you off?

>>34035458
Not true, they'll still have them and they'll still sell them to anyone who wants one.

>>34034628
Get the fuck off /k/ you autistic cuck

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>>34035452
neck yourself

sage

>>34035392
They don't make anything, period, for starters.
They are an importer and finishing end assembler, that's it.

Also overpriced garbage M1A's. You would be a damned fool to buy a new M1A over a PTR91, even before this shit.

>>34035469
>>34035487
>taking such obvious bait and calling others autistic
>inb4 i was just joking

>>34035490
>10/22 and M&P .22
>affording anything in actual calibers

>>34034698
From your context, it looks like you're pretty clueless on the definition, too.

>>34035079
>Reddit answer
Ftfy

>>34035129
So... That makes no sense

>He won't lift it
>He will fax it

Make up your mind antifag

I expect him to dump a ton of the import bans, tariff them and we still get better things cheaper than the hacks at Springfield offer.

>>34035478
Of the 15 gun stores in my city and the surrounding area (not including Academy, Gander, Cabelas, Bass Pro), 7 have confirmed dropped RRA and SA, and are selling their remaining stock of SA/RRA guns and gear at cost. Big box stores aren't dropping because Big Box stores don't give a fuck anyway.

>>34035526
He's not wrong.

big-name american gun companies are shit and they rely on their brand alone to get sales.

>>34034508
>hurr we had no idea that this piece of legislation that might get passed would create an additional barrier to entry that we would be exempt to!

>really guys, we had no idea!!!


Lol

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>>34035514
Must have missed you posting your guns you plebbitt false flag faggot

>>34035540
I'm sure they are

>>34035556
All manufacturers are exempt you dumb ass, did you even read the legislation?

>>34035558
wow so youre a fudd

got it

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>>34035514
>posted an image with .22 setups that are worth more than low end AR's
>calls me poor
(you)

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>>34035568
Still not seeing them.

>>34035569
>he actually gave money to kel-tec and he bitches about giving money to SA and RRA

>>34034820
Except team wendy wasn't putting their names on an bill to be exempt from new legislative requirements regarding their industry.

>>34035536
Because his actions clearly point to him either NOT lifting the bans or lifting them with extremely hefty taxes. While I'll take the latter over no imports at all, it's still a shitty deal since he's slowly becoming a NeoCon protectionist faggot.

>>34035576
Kektec may make meme shit but at least they haven't tried to give away 2a rights.

God I am so tired of being brigaded. 4chins should look for plebbitt cookies and instaban them.

>>34035590
Pretty sure he ran on buttfucking international trade to benefit the US...

>>34035596
Let me ask you a question. How did SA or RRA try to give 2A rights away?

The 80's and 90's were full of manufacturers colliding with dem gun banners. That period was our weakest. Ruger, S&W, Colt, all pulled shit like this and they all faced the wrath of the gun community. The community is stronger now but we can never forget those dark days comrades.
SA and RRA fucked up big time, and unlike those above mentioned corporations they are privately held companies that will never feel the pain until they are forced to close their doors and sell their company for pennies on the dollar.

Always kill a traitor before an enemy.
They cannot worm their way out of this. 90's era collusion belongs in the fucking past.

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>>34035576
you're gonna have to explain that one, bud. I genuinely wanna know how you compare lelkek (makes cheap but awesome/unique guns) to a companies that make much more traditional firearms and actively support gun control for money.

if you're trolling, then you're really fucking bad at it because you make no sense at all. Or really good, seeing as you made me reply

>>34035608
Anything done to prohibit free trade of firearms and manufacture is infringement on the rights of the citizenry to be armed.

Whether people agree with it or not as a democratic majority is another matter

But it is inherently infringement.

>>34035618
What gun control did SA and RRA support?

>>34035605
He ran on a lot of broken promises and lies. He's caving-in hard to NeoCons like McCain and giving-in to Israel, the Saudis, etc.

>>34035079
No, he were actually put into the bill as exemptions under the agreement that they don't fight the bill.
It's worse than supporting the bill from the beginning. They literally sold out everyone else while trying to deny any responsibility until the papers leaked.

>>34035487
Thanks for my (You)

>>34035629
So you actually have no idea what the legislation states... Got it.

>>34035093
Their only mistake was being caught

>>34035632
What has he lied about? Show me what he has failed to deliver, or attempt to deliver, thus far in his contract with the people of the us?

You sound paranoid, or you're trying to false flag us into hating him because REEEEEEEEEEEE wasn't a convincing argument.

>>34035546
You aren't entirely wrong
>Uberti's and Rossi's are better than nu winchesters, marlins and remington lever guns.
>SA imports literally every single product it sells
>A modern Remington 70" is beat in fit/finish, heat treating, quality and price by 80 year old slavshit assembled by drunken peasants

>>34035644
Okay let's start with
"Provides that it is unlawful for a person to engage in the business of selling, leasing, or otherwise transferring firearms without a license issued by the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation."

Dumb nigger.

>>34035644
>>34035666
And my satanic trips of truth win.

>>34034508
>They claim it was the head of their legal team and has since been fired.

this sounds like some clinton-esque b.s

>>34035630
>>34035644
>>34035608
>>34035576
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>>34035514
>>34035526
>>34035247
this faggot is b8'ing. He's doing whatever it takes to get maximum replies. He doesn't care about what documentation, proof, or even the actual APOLOGY issued that demonstrates these companies' guilt.

don't forget to sage, and don't give him the (you) if you can.

>>34035681
You right mate. You right.

>>34035666
Congratulations, at least you just now began reading it.
>engaging in the business
If you are privately selling a firearm, are you engaging in a business transaction or a private transaction?

It makes absolutely zero difference to the average person. All it does is allow them to tack on an extra charge against whatever gang banger is caught dealing firearms and making it a business enterprise of doing so.

>>34035596
>>34035576
Keltec's Gen2+ stuff is actually pretty solid
Still memey as hell but actually a decent buy, if you can get someone to come down on the price a bit

>>34035649
I don't put water into unfounded conspiracys.

Did a brief search on the lobby group, they have been pretty steadfast.

>>34035698
It also requires universal backgrounds if you do a private sale. That help?

The collective IQ of the firearms community is on par with that of NASCAR and WWE fans.

You guys are just as easily manipulated by the NRA and other 'Pro-Gun' Media sources as you are by the left and the anti-gun groups.

>>34035651
>Tax returns
A given, tried saying he couldn't release them because they were under audit which is blatantly fucking wrong. Granted somebody leaked his old tax returns which came up with nothing, but that alone causes trust issues.

>Non-interventionalist policy
Going after Assad for a supposed gas attack and caving to the likes of McCain as I said before. While it's early on in his presidency he seems to be maintaining the whole idea of a world police, a reason I voted for him in the first fucking place.

>Distancing himself from his business
In fact he's utilized his business more than anything, he spends a fuckload of time at Mar a Lago which wouldn't bother me if he weren't actively taking taxpayer money from it.

>Healthcare reform
This is more of being bogged down by the NeoCons and the likes of the "Freedom Caucus" than anything.

Things I heavily disagree with is how he finalized the arms deal with the Saudis, is extremely close to Israel, wouldn't even mention Islamic extremism in his speech the other day, etc.

>muh False Flag
How can I fucking false flag for the motherfucker I voted for? I still prefer him over Hillary, Jill "Healing Crystals" Stein, or the lolberg faggots but I'm not entirely happy.

>>34035546
Ruger makes good products and stands behind them.
They've done a 180 since the old fuck died, and have earned their forgiveness.

>>34035732
It literally doesn't. It also exempts all dealers "in which 20% or less of the dealer's annual sales are from the sale of firearms."

>>34035732
Also why am I wasting time replying to a troll? 30 seconds of reading the actual bill is enough to prove the point.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=10000SB1657&GA=100&SessionId=91&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=104404&DocNum=1657&GAID=14&Session=

Sage. I'm out. Good luck springshills. Off to buy a ptr

>>34035758
what's the best ptr out there

also don't worry im saging so as not to give this thread the (you)

>>34035758
>buying a PTR instead of a M1A just because of SA
>not buying a PTR just because its a better gun all around

You deserve the M1A now

>>34035740
He was never going to disband nato

He was never going to stop supporting Saudis and the Israelis.

He was never going to stop being world police.

I told fucks like you this from day one.

Cucking ourselves and our allies (as unsavory as they might be), to Russian and Chinese interests is not MAGA.

Furthermore, because your brainlet can't comprehend the HUGE strategic positives to being the world police does not mean it does not exist.

We didn't support these people because of some grand master evil plan, we did it because it was the right fucking choice. Allowing Russian interests to control Middle East oil is the wrong fucking choice. Allowing Europe to fragment itself to the highest bidder/biggest dick is the wrong fucking choice. Allowing any tinpot fuckboi to shit down international shipping is the wrong fucking choice.

Trump was there to stop Hillary and appoint conservative judges to the Supreme courts. That's it.

>>34034723
Well, they understand enough to get that guns kill more people in Chicago each week than Canada each year.
They also understand people getting shot dead is bad, both intrinsically, and fiscally.
They understand a hell of a lot more than you.

>>34035840
Canada has lots of guns too, just a different culture

>>34034863
The gun community is used to gun scares. Gun ban scares cause average no guns to go sperg out and get a second mortgage to buy things that will potentially be banned arbitrarily. Literally the majority of gun sales during scares is to noobs and noguns who panic buy. Even if you were a dem you would see that causing a scare is stupid because it causes 4 times the guns to proliferate into public hands than normally.
~45% of the population owned guns around the time of the AWB sunset. Since then, with all the scares it's over 60% of the population, and the number of multiple gun households has increased tenfold

>>34035590
Neo-Cons are globalist and anti-protectionist. Trump approaches one more each day but he's still not a Neo-Con.

>>34034508
Companies are like women.
Once a cheater, always a cheater.

Fuck 'em.

>>34034543
>Was their legal team doing things independent of Springfield interests or were they doing exactly as they were told?
Probably acting independently, actually. Legal departments often do that; they are given a mandate to protect company interests, and they do it.

Every time you see a copy right notification, it is the legal department acting unilaterally. Every time you see someone getting a cease and desist letter for something, legal department on its own. It would not be surprising in the least that a legal department would be swinging deals and lobbying in regards to laws being put up in a legislature, as everyone else in the company has other stuff they need to be doing.

It's like some of you people cannot even fathom how large companies and corporations actually work.

Whatever, it still offers a good opportunity to put SA's feet to the fire and maybe get them to jump on board some pro-2A things, and maybe give some good deals on their products.

>come on guys our legal team was just acting without orders for years donating to anti gun lobbyist
do they really expect anyone to believe this? If there was any accountability the CEO would take responsibility and step down. The only way Springfield armory is going to make sales going forward is through ignorance so feel free to educate your friends on why to never buy from these pieces of shit.

>>34035968
The lobby was 100% progun before this incident.

I buy it.

>>34034777
You should feel bad because you got the XD. Those things are ugly as fuck.

>>34035977
I don't and nobody except you shills doing damage control does either.

>>34035954
>>34035968
Springfield Armory Inc. is not a corporation, IFMA was a one man lobby funded primarily by RRA and SA. Lobbyist was family friend of the Reese's of SA.

>>34036019
why is it I'm Canadian yet I have more concern for the best interests of the republic than the average American on here

>>34036012
The only shill here is you, trying to lower SAs reputation thus garnering your company more money.

>>34036043
This x1000000

>>34036006
Got it cheap new before all this crap. Now it's my toilet gun and it guards me while I take monster shits. Pretty underwhelming gun all things considered but still functional

>>34035562
Clearly you didnt. Very clever way to try to get me to spark note it for you tho. Better luck next time, faggot.

I'm so glad Springfield armory©™ is here to correct the record. I can't wait until Springfield armory ©™ has there next sale. what Springfield armory©™ product are you excited for fellow gun owners.

>>34036040
>concern for the best interests of the republic
>let's give the feds EVEN MORE power
Shall not be infringed leafboy

>>34036019
>assault rifles
stopped reading

>>34036040
I'm also Canadian. It's called a constitutional republic for a reason, you dumb cunt.

>>34036105
Can't wait to buy a bargain bin XD-E when they go under

>>34036121
the feds are the republic you fucking retard

>>34035840
The bill that was passed won't change gun violence. It will put smaller gunshops and independent traders out of business. Normal people can only make 9 firearm transactions a year. Springfield is of course exempt from the new law. How exactly does putting their competition out of business decrease gun violence when most guns used in shootings are not purchased legally in the first place?

>>34036139
In what way does it put their competition out of business? By making them obtain a license to manufacture?

>>34036105
This message brought to you by Ruger©™!

All rights reserved.

>>34036122
Canadian gun owners as a group don't protest to the use of the term assault rifle and a Canadian that protests to assault rifle is a Canadian who's swallowed the stainless pill

>not buying chinkshit and old guns exclusively

Get with the times, old farts.

For the love of god will you people just by our guns instead!

t. Colt Sales rep

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>>34036191
I'd rather buy a SA 1911 than pay more for a lesser quality Colt 1911

>>34036139
It will put the people who make their living selling guns to criminals out of business.

"ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

>>34036154
Depends on the requirements they set. Going by other commie states they will pit the bar so high with so much paperwork that only huge corparations can afford it putting smaller shops out of business. It does this put doesn't actually save any lifes. It is purely about industry control

>>34036218
That isn't going to happen

>>34036218
Fuck im going to bed.

>>34036218
The likelihood this is actually true is 0 and the likelihood you actually believe it is nearly 0.

>>34036164
There is one definition of "assault rifle", and it's no different in Canada than it is in the US, you ignorant fuck

>come on it was a mistake, we just accidentally made a slush fund for the anti-gun lobby
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>34036252
>There is one definition of "assault rifle"
DEFINITIONS OF WORDS ARE FOUND IN THE DICTIONARY
EVERY DICTIONARY HAS 2 DEFINITIONS

>it's uh teknekul debinition
>says so in thus teknekul dokubent
>technical document is 40 years out of date

>>34035159
Try again

>>34035514
That's a FAMAS faggot

>>34036319
Oh boy, here comes the Trump apologist

>>34036019
>Because keeping potentially dangerous tools out of the hands of people who can't handle them saves lives

Explain chainsaws then. No age limits on purchase, no licensing required, no regulatory oversight at all. Yet chainsaws are responsible for over 36K injuries annually.

Oh jeeze, and what about lawnmowers? Over 20K injuries, and 75 deaths annually. Over 600 children are run over each year by riding mowers. THINK OF THE CHILDREN, YOU INSENSITIVE TWAT! Yet any toddler can go into a hardware store and buy a mower, no questions asked.

Your "licencing and regulating tools" argument sort of falls apart when you expose it to reality.

Why aren't you getting all shrill about alcohol or tobacco? Alcohol kills more people in a month than guns do all year. Tobacco does it in a week. If you were really concerned about saving lives, you would be pissing and moaning about those 2 killers.

But it's not about saving lives, is it?

>>34036396
Are you actually retarded?

>>34035503
Looks like you've been triggered

>>34034569
Hahaha you could try to be more discreet and less emotional while you try to "infiltrate" us

>>34035417
They're not, you fucks are too broke to buy their trp's amd shit so you buy rock island filipino 1911s for 50~100 less than a sa. If s.a. was that nice broke dicks would spend that little extra money but they don't because the s.a. g.I. a shit.

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>>34034628
Out.

>>34036632
>$700-800 SA 1911s
>only $50-100 more than $400 RIA 1911s

>>34035558
Fug is that levergat in 45-70?

>>34035644
Tell me how he is wrong faggot. Go ahead. Flex your mental gymnastics muscles.

>>34036164
>as a group
how can you, a /k/ shitposter, speak for a large and certainly non homogenous group with such certainty?

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>>34036285

>>34036414
>actually retarded
Not him, but he just btfo'd your argument. It seems you personally just hate guns or have been misinformed into an ego based a point of view

>>34035739
>le everyone but me is dumb tfw to intelligent

Have you considered just killing yourself?

>>34035001
Do not google TTAG, you might catch AIDS.

And fuck Springfield and their shitty apology video. They are not a wholesome all-American brand anymore run by Illinois farmers and backtracking now to reclaim lost sales is pathetic. If it passes the damage is already done.

>>34036019
>A forklift is a tool; no one bitches that you need formal training and a license to operate one of those
Not if you're using it privately.

>A car is a tool, no one bitches you need a license to operate one of those
Not if you're using it privately.

>A pickup is a tool, no one bitches you need a license to operate one of those
Not if you're using it privately.

>A tractor truck is a tool, no one bitches you need a license and formal training to operate one of those
Not if you're using it privately.

So what you're saying is, you need a licence to operate a gun in a public place (eg. CCW or hunting), or during the course of your employment with someone (eg. police)?

Oh wait, seems that's already the case.

>>34037555
Trips of that other anon can get fucked with a cactus

>>34036019

As a native of Oklahoma, a gun owner, and who lost people in the OKC bombing.

Comparing me to that fuckhead McVeigh?

FUCK YOU!

However, I do understand his motives.

Like government thugs murdering a kid out with his dog in serving a bench warrant before shooting a woman holding her child and then mocking their loved ones for 11 days is a pretty good reason to be mad at your government.

Then mayhaps an orchestrated sideshow where you literally had men hang off a helicopter and shoot an innocent man before goose stepping up to unload into a "compound" knowing there were children inside before the fucking finale of burning everyone to death is also a good reason to be mad at your government.

What tools did those you classify as be solely qualified use? guns, bitch. They intentionally used tools hurt the citizens they swore to protect, and you advocate that they are the only ones qualified? fuck you.

>Tell me, what task do your 3 assault rifles and 6 handguns help you accomplish?

Living lawfully and securely the way I want, and don't forget according to my government a shoelace is a machine gun so I have three pairs of tennis shoes and two pairs of boots so that means I own like 10 unregistered machine guns.

>>34034978
>Implying the SA of today has anything to do with the old SA.
You really are too old to be here.

>>34034508
no it isnt

>>34034508
The solution to this problem is simple. Regardless of whether SA & RRA did this purposely or out of ignorance, should this legislation pass they need to spend every, single dime of profit getting the law repealed.

If they don't do this, they're not for real and deserve all the heat that their former customers bring their way.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

Fuck that company. Anyone who buys from them is a traitor to the American people and an enemy of the Second Amendment.

Shills fuck off.

>>34038616
Ignorance is impossible for anyone who can read. The carveout is a betrayal.

No forgiveness. Revenge until they go out of business. Tell everyone you know who shoots.

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>>34035536
>He will fax it
3d printers sure have come a long way.

>>34034777
>This shit is unforgivable and I feel dirty having bought a XDS from them 2 years ago
I'll trade you
I wanted a M1A for years and currently work at a gun store. I have sold approx 20 springfield firearms to get a M1A.

>>34036213
>It will put the people who make their living selling guns to criminals out of business.

If BATFE has probably cause to step in with a warrant and get evidence of these transactions from the 8% of retailers, why haven't they done so, gotten evidence, and revoked their FFLs?

>>34038795
Ouch.
I'm not buying SA again until the Reeses sell.
They only thing that could ever make me possibly budge on that would be if HSProdukt imported the VHS-2 through them, but with the way shit is going HSProdukt might just fucking dump them and go century or EAA anyway

>>34040537
That would be good for EAA to pick up
Lots of people are tired of the same old AR style and century is balls deep in AKs and the C308, they don't need another product right now.

>>34034508
Are they apologizing for making a worse M14 than chinks do for double the price? If not, don't care

>>34041500
Fucking this. I had no desire for a mediocre gun from a company trading on someone else's reputation even before all this shit went down.

>>34034508
I'm still going to buy their products

>>34035198
Fucking schooled that fool.

>>34034508
>No word from Rock Island yet.

Jesus Christ this is why they need to change their web page. I swear half of the bitching on here is from Berniebro fagot as cointelpro types.

>>34035093
This

If they kill it they have exhausted their one and only warning. No other company will have such a warning in the future.

>>34034508
>very high production value
>biography of, "when I was a poor boy on the farm."
>witness testimonial
It's too polished to be really sincere but in fairness they never supported the bill. They just had some lawyer decide not to fight and they fired him.

>>34034508
I emailed rock river arms and they emailed me back the phone number of their or lady saying to call her.

>>34038762
>4chan 2057
>"delet this"
>a gun is generated out of my screen and pointed in my face

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>>34034508
Sorry

>>34034628

>nazi frog picture

oh wow

>>34034569
Yep, all those damn criminal FFL holders, not to mention the criminal employees at each of their store fronts, better require them to all have state issued FFL's as well, I mean making it less convenient for the law abiding public to acquire a gun will really cut down on crime, not to mention putting smaller gunshops out of business
>check&bait criminal scum.

>>34035840
Canada isn't brimming with ghetto ass nigs. Chicago is.

>>34036654
Hey there faggot, you know ria makes more styles of 1911s than just the basic bitch gi model right? No? Well now you do

>>34034698
SHALL

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>>34035840
yes, the guns magically animated and started killing people

>>34035109
yea, its not like people didnt almost throw away their S&Ws and bankrupt the company