This is a picture of the Italian army. Say something nice about them.

>>34033249
They're willing to follow even utterly retarded suicidal orders. That's about it.

>>34033249
They have very nice coats. Bet Germans who served on the Eastern front hated even looking at them.

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>>34033249
Here's another for you OP. Try not to laugh.

>>34033264
>Australian commander
>Australian troops
>British victory
Shit that pisses me off, or when they talk about "Commonwealth troops" ie Australian

>>34033249
Never have so many surrendered to so few.

> Turns a small diversionary counterattack into the conquering of libya.

Nothing like attacking entrenched positions and being outnumbered 4 to 1 in men 13 to one in artillery, and 2 to one in aircraft and tanks, and somehow winning against italys best.

>>34033249

The italian commanders brought nice wines with them to the front

Totally worthwhile use of trucks while your infantry walks everywhere

>>34033249
Don't this belong on /pol/?

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Nothing like pol tier anglo shitposting

I remember my late grandpa telling me how mainland Italy was so full of Commonwealth POWs that they had trouble managing them.

I guess depends which side you ask and who you're willing to believe

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>>34033264
to be fair to the italians
their only practice in war was fighting against men
ours was against horrors from the depths of hell that no living man was ever meant to see, commonly called emus

>>34033305
POWs from where?

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>>34033249

The Italian army pretended to be a friend of Germany, and bailed out at the last second. Really makes you think; it actually really activates my almonds.

>>34033286

>Not understanding the deep kinship between /k/ & /pol/
>Implying these things are separate.

Here let me fix it:

"Don't this belong on the containment board?"

4chan is the containment board.

Non Plebbit /polacks/ are very literally the original oldfag /b/tards, they just grew up. With that becoming more interested in weaponry, race & nation, over "random," content.

>>34033286
>Doesn't a thread specifically about a military force and their combat prowess (or lack there of in this case) belong in /pol/
Imagine how much better things would be if newfags read the sticky before posting.

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>>34033249
Italians had good planes and did generally better at small team ops than the big army stuff. They had terrible, uninspiring leadership, I can't fault a man for not wanting to fight fanatically for the wrong side.

>>34033317

*are very literally the original oldfag /b/tards & /kommandos/

>>34033249
they're alright
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Savoia_Cavalleria_at_Izbushensky

>>34033316
Brits,Kiwis,Aussies and shitty colonials

>>34033333
Okay you're right, sorry.

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>>34033249
Its a bit hard because Guido doesn't into war very well nearly all of the time.
However, they did manage to pull off one of the last (successful) cavalry charges in history. Of course, being Guido means that its still fucking hilarious...

>Corporal Lolli, unable to draw, as his saber was frozen in its sheath, charged holding high a hand grenade; Trumpeter Carenzi, having to handle both trumpet and pistol, shot by mistake his own horse in the headCorporal Lolli, unable to draw, as his saber was frozen in its sheath, charged holding high a hand grenade; Trumpeter Carenzi, having to handle both trumpet and pistol, shot by mistake his own horse in the head

And then they all managed to either get captured, froze to death or bullied by leftists, but hey, they tried

>>34033305>>34033350


British POWs taken during Europe, Mediterranean, Middle east, and africa in ww2: 200,000 Most of which held by germany.

Number of captured italians in operation compass alone : 133,000

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>>34033336
>"I can't fault a man for not wanting to fight fanatically for the wrong side."

>Wrong side
>Attempt at Objectivity not even once

Jesus Christ dude, that read like a 10th grade US history essay. Don't want to be on the wrong side of (((history))), do you?

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>>34033370
No one wants to be on the Italian side, especially the Italians.

Italy is always the wrong side.

>>34033377
Holy fuck Italians are absolutely crap at warfare.

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>>34033377

Well played, sir. I raise you one French National Flag.

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>>34033377
>>34033386

Wait, that was the old one, here's the new one.

>>34033363
Heck the krauts captured 700,000 at the armistice when they didn't want to play wars any more.
They got sent to slave labour and concentration camps and about 50k of them died in the process.

>>34033377
is that frenchman a nazi?!

>>34033273
the aussies deserve all the credit they can get, considering their only other major war was against emus

>>34033384
I'd like to play the devils advocate and say that the quality of education & incredibly corrupt government usually meant that the people who were shit at their jobs were the ones selected for said job. A good examples are the Battles of the Isonzo- pants-on-head retarded officers, commanders, and general (to the hilarious point where an officer forced a regiment of soldiers at gunpoint after shooting one of them to charge head on into machinegun fire- and of course they all died) but the individual solider believed in their cause and, in general, fought remarkably well for the absolute crap of equipment they were given. I'd say that's true in ww2 as well, really.

>>34033370
It's a subjective notion, I meant most ordinary Italians didn't really want to die for the privilege of being Germany's bitch boy. It evidently didn't appeal to them that much.

That the thing with Nazis, they weren't very good at making friends, if they did, they could have done a lot better.

>>34033377
why do they even try? even the french, an army in which there were basically no fighting age males anymore managed to btfo them

>>34033412
They fought shit, get over it faggot.

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>>34033425
The Alpine Line was extremely costly for the Italians and the French gave them absolute hell
One of the sadly forgotten battles of WW2

>>34033414
kys woglet

>>34033441
Italy BTFO once again.

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>>34033449
Poland deserves to be higher tbqh

Speaking only of WW2.

The German commanders thought they were good workers and soldiers but had obviously terrible leadership. The artillery crews in particular were very brave(?) they would often defend their guns until the last man. The Italian frogmen were also very good, a small team of them managed to disable two British battleships in port at Alexandria. The MC 202 "Folgore" while outdated only a year or two into the war was a pretty decent plane. The MC 205 "Veltro" was also very good. It was slightly under gunned but American test pilots had good things to say about it after the end of the war.

>>34033361
I don't think victory against russians count.

>>34033468
>when woglets try desperately to find some successes

>>34033478
kekd

>>34033468
Was it the 202 or 205 that had leaning problems due to its ww1-tier rotary engine? I remember reading that they made the opposite wing slightly longer to fix the problem, but it had absolutely horrid climb characteristics & would stall out occasionally no matter what and even though they documented the problem well no one gave a shit and they mass produced (well, as mass-produced as the italians could get) anyways. Then naturally they got absolutely btfo by all enemy craft.

>>34033475
Russians are basically the zerg

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>>34033363
>Most of which held by germany
Mh,acording to british sources,which are undeniably biased.
Same goes for compass but whatever...

>>34033458
In all fairness to the frogs, prior to WW2 and after it, they generally have a pretty good track record of military actions- though Vietnam was painful, but it was horrible for everyone
Lot of their recent activities in Africa have been pretty textbook on putting down insurgents and their ISAF guys where always solid

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>>34033249
Dope. Ass. Feather hats.

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BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHH

>>34033495
>WW1: France's retarded napoleon-larping generals take over a month to adapt to machineguns and mass artillery, zillions of causalities
>Later in WW1: French trench tactics are essentially 'more men then bullets, fuck arty lol' while plugging their ears to the thousands of men starving on the front line and completely ignore all logistic issues

>WW2: What that post described.
>French Rebels in occupied territory in ww2: Blowing up a few railway lines, all of which hurt the french citizens more than the germans. Getting slaughtered by MP.

>Post-WW2: Demanding german core territory and other ridiculous demands despite doing literally nothing
>Getting destroyed harder than american marines in vietnam
>Getting destroyed by desert niggers & generally not contributing to the ISIS situation
Wow, they sure do have a great track record

>>34033273
Australians are British, same faction so same victory

The German commanders said they were good workers and good soldiers but had bad leadership. The artillery crews frequently and to a fault hold their guns till the last man. The Italian frogmen were some of the best in ww2. The MC 202 "Folgore" while outdated a couple of years into the war was pretty alright. The MC 205 "Veltro" was a bit under gunned by the time it came out but it was very good. German pilots even liked it.>>34033478
They WERE a liability and terrible ally for the Axis. Not trying to defend them but op asked to say something nice about them so I gave few examples. :/

>>34033468
>>34033547
Is this a double post or are you quite possibly the worst plagiarizer in the history of ever

>>34033350
The same could be said about Italian and German POWs in Britain.

god these italian threads are always terrible

go study why italy performed "poorly" instead of repeating the same bullshit you read on /k/

>>34033628
t. triggered spaghetti farmer

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>>34033317
>>34033337
>Tripcode from your retarded RWDS pipefitting hand remover
Wewlad

Welcome to /k/ now get the fuck out
Go back to r/the_donald too faggot

>>34033641
I'm irish

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>>34033407
And they lost too the emus!

>>34033628
>muh leadership
These threads must trigger woglets hard

>>34033706
How hard is it to do a 5 second search to figure out what 'woglet' means instead of spamming it everywhere like a tard

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>>34033361
>Corporal Lolli
>Lolli

>>34033249
At least they didn't tie their underwear on a stick and wave it like the French did.

>>34033273
Until after WW2 the Dominions of the British Empire were not fully independent. So as far as anybody was concerned the6 were still "British". At least from an administrative perspective.

However in 1936 every Dominion was elevated to the status of Kingdom within the Empire so you could argue that they were their own countries at that point.

>>34033449
>Brazil never really fought anyone
We teamed up with argies to spitroast Paraguay once. Our expeditionary force was also were present in Northern Italy during WWII in the Battle of Collecchio. Held the line like absolute madmen the moment we got our rifles (which we didn't even have until we got there).

>>34034235
Nobody cares favelamonkey

>>34034242
Says the shortbus nigger who trusts ancient, outdated pictures to teach him history instead of reading a fucking book.

Don't you have welfare to collect?

>>34034279

Whoa! I didn't mean for you to go apeshit! So sorry!

>>34034279
>is a nigger
>calling someone else nigger

how ironic

>>34033249
The Italians under Rommel fought to the last man covering his retreat. When under competent leadership, thetly did well.

Also WWI arditi were pretty badass. Many specialized in night time raiding, sneaking into Austrian camps and murdering everyone in their sleep. Spaghetti ninjas.

>>34033869
Legally, legislatively, administratively, the Dominions were all fully independent and regarded as equals to the UK by the time of World War 2.

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Terrible tanks .

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M11-39 . Why build it at all ?

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Armour made out of paper-mache.

>>34033273
BOW TO THE CROWN COMMONER!

>>34033441
How did a submarine get destroyed

>>34033249
Battle of St-Louis Bridge.

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>>34033518
It's hard to do a lot when you have been separated from your home for 4 years with barely any manpower or navy. Imagine what it would feel like to come home from 4 years of being exiled just to find your countrymen working with the people invaded you and seeing whole towns destroyed.

>>34033441
The French brought a sloop to war?

>>34033286
What? This? Nah. Making fun of Italians' pathetic performance in combat through the 20th century is a time honored tradition here.

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Damn pasta brains dont know how to run a country

>>34033518
>>Later in WW1: French trench tactics are essentially 'more men then bullets, fuck arty lol' while plugging their ears to the thousands of men starving on the front line and completely ignore all logistic issues
This is so backward it hurts to read. The French in wwI later pioneered the synchronisation of artillery barrage and infantry advance on a massive scale, and the logistics of Verdun were exemplary.

You wankers thought you could beat us in alpine warfare!

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>>34033249
your grenades are very stylish

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retarded as shit thread with retarded as shit posts made by retarded as shit faggots.

italian soldiers were among the worst equipped in the country and were usually led by the most retarded officers who occupied such positions only due to prior aristocratic priviledges.

you are all a bunch of faggots who should kill themselves

>>34037258
among the worst equipped in europe*

>>34034235
>Paraguay
>Italy

some fearsome enemies you have faced, monkey

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>>34033249
>IT'S OVER LUIGI I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

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>>34033273
It's just encompassed within the war for everything.

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Teext dump incoming. Let's start with WW1.

WW1 for Italy was shit. Born of a muddy diplomatic deal with France and Britain, it was a deeply unpopular war.
The traditional problems of shitty equipment, lack of common language and the shittiest officer class you can think of made the Italian front the mockery it's known as.
It was also an incredibly lethal enviroment, imagine fighting in sub-zero temperatures with crap uniforms and your officers are more bent on killing you than the enemy.
Caporetto, the great defeat, was a textbook example of the failures of the Italian leadership.
Italy won because the Austria-Hungary collapsed by itself.
Fascism. Ohhh, Fascism. I could write a 50 pages paper on fascist and warfare.
Italy won the campaign against the British in Somaliland.
Italy lost on all other fronts.
The problem was, at the basic level, that Italy was a piss poor country with shitty industrial capacity, a good infantry tradition, and hilariously terrible commanders and leadership.
Again, we can talk endlessly how Mussolini in reality had little control on his own country, how the industrial output was worse than WW1 levels, how propaganda was an abject failure, how the officer class was STILL a bunch of spiteful dumbfucks (at lower levels, Italian soldiers fought, often quite well.
Matters little when the overall situation is a shitstorm, though).
The Navy was.... terrified. Think that no one wanted to engage the British because they were scared as fuck to get sacked if they lost a ship: so they never dared to act aggressively, even when they HAD THE FUCKING ADVANTAGE.
The Air arm was a mess of glory hounds, shit training and good designs without the industrial capacity to build them.

>>34033407
>le ebic emu war meme

>As British offshoots, the Australian colonies participated in Britain's small wars of the 19th century, while later as a federated dominion, and then an independent nation, Australia fought in the First World War and Second World War, as well as in the wars in Korea, Malaya, Borneo and Vietnam during the Cold War. In the Post-Vietnam era Australian forces have been involved in numerous international peacekeeping missions, through the United Nations and other agencies, including in the Sinai, Persian Gulf, Rwanda, Somalia, East Timor and the Solomon Islands, while more recently they have also fought as part of multi-lateral forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. In total, nearly 103,000 Australians died during the course of these conflicts.

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Strategically, Italy blew a ton of money in Spain without gaining anything of value (no political or economical advantages), blew a ton of money in utterly useless colonial adventures.
They started WW2 already undersupplied and short of everything.

Let's start with infantry problems.
Italian infantry had problems with weapons, training, and officers.
Weapons were subpar (the Carcano is barely good for what it is, even if I like the sights a LOT), support weapons wee dreadful with an insane amount of different calibers and they were very difficult to maintain properly, a problem with the mostly uneducated Italian conscripts.

It's like reverse SU: the Italians had simple people and they gave them complex, over-engineered weapons that required a lot of man-hours to build.

The true problem, however, was the dreadful level of AT weapons and tactics, the Italians simply failed to get basic AT infantry tactics going without going dangerously on the "suicide" side of things.
A common thing was that training focused on aggressive (thus, "manly") attack even if by nature the Italian Army was more suited to defense.

Good luck attacking superior enemies.

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>>34033249
the bersaglieri were/are /fa/ as fuck

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Logistics were very bad for the common infantryman, thanks to a lack of lorries and awful coordination with the homefront: replacements and R&R were nightmarish (in a very Italian way some infantrymen did years of frontline service without R&R while others did nothing thanks to political connections).

Officers had an insane opinion of themselves and, like the Rumanians, lived in another world.

Morale, as you can guess, suffered heavily, as the common Italian fighting man felt betrayed by the State (that gave him shitty weapons for a war he did not understand) and by his officers.

Those who kept fighting did it mostly for "comradeship spirit" or in the case of supposedly elite units for unit pride.
No one was too keen to die for Fascism.

MVSN units were a mess, think sending overweight untrained 40-years old to war.

After some heavy attrition, only the M divisions (younger, more motivated) managed to get a hold of themselves.

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Artillery. Outdated. Tons of Austrian captures. Good designs weren't built in sufficient numbers.

Ammo quality problems. Italian artillery officers were probably the greatest asshats of the entire Italian army (historical tradition, that one).

Tanks. Books can be written on the subject. In short, developed for a war in the North, built by a country with bad industrial capacity, doctrine was outdated (T-26 tanks in Spain destroyed Italian tanks, some authors maintain that the war in Spain was ignored by the authorities while others suggest that the change in designs in the late '30ies).

That didn't matter a lot for an infantry-focused army that planned to fight in the Alps, it mattered a lot for a country that wanted to fight world powers.

Tankers perceived themselves as somewhat of an "elite", but after a while, they went more on the "borderline suicidal".
Their memories are moving, we're almost on Soviet airmen "we're already dead when we start the engines" level.

Colonial troops in North Africa were Libyans, Somalians, and Etrians, From what I read they were Good(Good being Relative since they suffered from the same constraints).

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>>34033869
Australia became it's own country in 1901

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And thus we have the land forces: thus you have insufficently trained, badly motivated and badly equipped troops with terrible strategical mobility, and their high-level leadership was often indecisive, craven, and worried mostly to avoid political fallouts instead of, well, winning.

it's no surprise that even the mediocre British under a somewhat competent leadership managed to defeat them in detail.

Italians, truth be told, from the miltiary point of view share more with the Soviets and the Japanese than with the Germans: Infantry focuses, poor education, somewhat poor industrial capacity. Japs and Soviets managed to truck on thanks to their peculiar societal model, and their Motives on why they are Fighting (Nippon strong for Japs, Avenge the Motherland, and Revenge for the Soviets) Italians went "fuck it I'm not gonna die for this shitty government" and that was it.

I could dump stuff about the Navy (it's bloody hilarious) and Air forces, but, meh, effort. This is enough to explain why the Itas Itas collapsed as they did?

>>34037428
>support weapons wee dreadful with an insane amount of different calibers and they were very difficult to maintain properly
One thing related to this that I never see people talking about is that Italian ammunition, in both WW1 and WW2 was ALL hand loaded. The Italian soldier would never, ever get a consistent shot because one cartridge could be filled with 80 grains while the next could be 60. The majority of Italian soldiers dropped their weapon in favor of an enemies as soon as possible, even though it was likely they'd have next to no ammo- no ammo was better than Italian ammo. It also meant that the industrial capacity dedicated to small arms was completely wasted.

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>TWELFTH ATTEMPT
>305k casualties

cuck me up famalam

>>34037520
In reality the 'Battles' of the Isonzo was one large continuous battle, just with 12 offensives- 3 of which actually worked anyway.

>>34035738
>>34033441

The Italians brought a submarine to the Alps?

>>34036766
>The French in wwI later pioneered the synchronisation of artillery barrage and infantry advance on a massive scale

'Twas tha cannucks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vimy_Ridge#Prelude

Have some Rommel:

>The Italian command was, for the most part, not equal to the task of carrying on war in the desert, where the requirement was lightning decision followed by immediate action. The training of the Italian infantryman fell far short of the standard required by modern warfare. … Particularly harmful was the all pervading differentiation between officer and man. While the men had to make shift without field-kitchens, the officers, or many of them, refused adamantly to forgo their several course meals. Many officers, again, considered it unnecessary to put in an appearance during battle and thus set the men an example. All in all, therefore, it was small wonder that the Italian soldier, who incidentally was extraordinarily modest in his needs, developed a feeling of inferiority which accounted for his occasional failure and moments of crisis. There was no foreseeable hope of a change for the better in any of these matters, although many of the bigger men among the Italian officers were making sincere efforts in that direction.

>>34037952
Fucking Arab tier

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>>34033249
>"The Italian command was, for the most part, not equal to the task of carrying on war in the desert, where the requirement was lightning decision followed by immediate action. The training of the Italian infantryman fell far short of the standard required by modern warfare. … Particularly harmful was the all pervading differentiation between officer and man. While the men had to make shift without field-kitchens, the officers, or many of them, refused adamantly to forgo their several course meals. Many officers, again, considered it unnecessary to put in an appearance during battle and thus set the men an example. All in all, therefore, it was small wonder that the Italian soldier, who incidentally was extraordinarily modest in his needs, developed a feeling of inferiority which accounted for his occasional failure and moments of crisis. There was no foreseeable hope of a change for the better in any of these matters, although many of the bigger men among the Italian officers were making sincere efforts in that direction."

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>>34037952
damn should have read the thread first .oh well. I'll add original commentary and say that while the Italians had problems, at least they weren't fucking Serbian tiered.

story picture definitely related

>>34033264
>tfw oss didn't even deploy the roo flanking squadron

>>34037351
Sorry, did you say something? Couldn't hear you over all the straw hats and towelheads beating your asses with rusty chink exports IEDs.

>>34037426
Not an Aussie here but the Aussies kicked ass., Kiwis too.

>>34033449
>brazil never fought anyone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Brazil

>>34033273
no point being there in the first place
heck elements of the army show up in the bore war for no particularly good reason
>>34033869
late as the 1970s people born in the commonwealth were considered British citizens

>>34037351

look, Paraguay might not have been that big a threat but they fucking depopulated that shit, there were like 10 males left in the entire country by the time they were done.

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Well, someone has to man the ice cream stands.

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>>34033249
your ships make me think of good food, that's nice I guess

>>34037433
Why does no one send feather clad men into battle anymore?

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>>34040258
>All victories
Almost makes me proud of living in this shithole.

>>34037468
>I could dump stuff about the Navy (it's bloody hilarious)

if its not too late, yes please.

unless it's not russian imperial navy-tier.

>>34033249
The men are brave but they had a rather huge share of poor commanders. Considering there was no shortage of poor commanders in any nation this is a rather damning statement.

>>34037952
They are fucking niggers with their mud blood. More concerned about how they look

>>34033314
To be fair, most of the causalities were from booby traps

>>34040730
Emu's attempt to mate with them.

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>Italy

>They stole our movies, we stole their cuisine.

>>34034303

i mean, he has relevant experience

They didn't kill anyone

>>34033249
All of you are white, yez

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Nice SMG's. Too bad they didn't issue them to regular troops until late 1942.

>>34033264
>SEND IN THE EMUS!!
>B-but sir, the bloodshed i-it, they are just men like us
>SHUT UP!! It's either them or us, THEM OR ITALY!!
>o-ok, I'll call in the order
>Release the Em- the Emus
*Squaking and bloodcurdling screams can be heard in the distance
>What have I done?

>>34042079
Hey, that kinda looks like a sks.

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>>34041213
>They stole our movies
Bitch, Italy did more good for western movies then any other country.

At least they sided with Hitler.

>>34037426
>being that easily triggered

>>34033449
No fair, New Zealand isn't even on that list. I'm telling dad on you guys.

>>34040730
Because it's in Australians instincts to shoot at them, nobody want to be shot at.

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>>34040211
>Kiwis
>Being acknowledged by someone
You don't know how happy you've made me.

>>34042150
You guys are faggots, but also our forever bro's

>>34042150
Australian alphas should invade your country and impregnate your women

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>>34042611
What's a women?

>>34033722
don't worry anon, we're used to it
t. spaghetti

>>34035491
it was cute

>>34042688
Do woglets exist to be beaten and surpassed over and over again?

>>34042696
>cucks Delta out of a hostage situation
>bypasses the CIA and sells false information straight to the White House
>informs sand dictator of incoming airstrike causing massive burger and kosher butthurt
>only exists to be beaten and surpasses over and over again
cool story bro
also
>the soviets being soviets never noticed the ship we gave them as 'reparations' had the hull laced with explosives

>>34042765
wut

>>34042961
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro_hijacking
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Giulio_Cesare
tl;dr wops can be spiteful people

>>34037351
They also fought germans in colecchio.

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>>34037416

Hey! I wrote that one!

Well, let's try to add something: this book is good and covers the basic problems of Fascist Italy for an english-speaking audience.

Can be easily found as a pdf.


>>34040886

It's Imperial Russian naval tier. But it requires effort to get some sources, and I'm lazy.

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>>34043215

And I'll add another author for english speakers: say hi to James J. Sadkovich. Here, I don't know this guy. But he has written rather extensively on the subject of Italian warfare (both in NA and in Greece) and on the Italian navy.

He's amongst the weirdest historians I've ever read: he's hellbent on defending the Italian arms to death, shitting on the Germans and the British as much as he can. This is merely the beginning of one of his articles, and it gets worse.

I mean, everyone is entitled to die for his own ideas, but this man is weird. Even if such a passionate defense of "Italian skills" can give people an idea on the positives of the WW2 Italian effort.

>>34033249
Bipety Bapety muh Garibaldi>>34033255

>>34033314
what's the point of that pic?