I fell for the meme

>>34030363
But what a sexy meme it is

>>34030363
They're pretty sexy desu senpai

>>34030375
>>34030422
I don't see the attraction to be honest
there are way hotter carbines out there

>>34030363
Everything about this looks nice except that grip. I'll probably pick one up someday for the price it's hard to beat it seems.

>>34030430
Like?

>>34030451
those turk mp5's or b&t's

>>34030363

there are worse memes to fall for

if i had one i would suppress it

>>34030473
this gun was born for form 1s.

>>34030469
don't forget the kriss vector and the PS90

>>34030363

I know you just bought it, but do you know if the Scorpion has heat dissipation issues like the 805 does? This is pretty much the sole reason why I won't buy the S1 pistol. I want to be able to put fucking something near the front of the gun to keep my hand from turning into charred meat after two mags.

>inb4 just wear gloves!

Only somewhat helpful, and also not really ideal.

>>34030469
i would also prefer those over a scorpion, but not at 2-3x the price
>IBpoorfag

>>34030540
I dont blame you. just saying Im a poorfag too but I would rather save up for a 1700 dollar carbine than waste money on something else if the only thing that matters is sex appeal

>>34030540
Cx4

>>34030540

You are always going to get that, but there is very seriously a clear dividing line between someone who is just prudent with how they spend their funds on funs, and full retard goys. Not everyone wants to play Keeping Up With The Jones' all because some dude on 4chan tried to tell you why you should also buy these three other guns that cost three times as much, and offer minimal difference in performance, or are purely meant to be acquired for meme purposes.

>>34030573
Wait, are you seriously suggesting the CX4 over the Scorpion?

>>34030573
nigger the cz is better than a cx4

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>>34030540
lololololol poorfag

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Also, plz rate my non-AR PCC "collection"

inb4 dirty treadmill.

>>34030622 here

inb4 >>34030577

>>34030488
Yeah I like my vector over an EVO. But damn they are nice desu

>>34030639
I honestly think EVOs are a mediocre offering competing purely on price.

>>34030622

Can I ask why you don't do a Form 1, and get that PS90 turned into an SBR?

>>34030665
Form 1's been approved for about a year now. I just never got around to engraving the thing. I even have the CMMG10inch barrel.

>>34030696

Now that's just being lazy.

>>34030652
what makes them mediocre?

>>34030719
Crude design, mediocre accuracy, subpar ergo.

You should really check out a B&T. These things are just...amazingly built.

>>34030622
nice

>just another basic bitch blowback 9mm
Roller delayed or get the fuck out, skivvvy.

>>34030469
Zenith MP5s are pretty rough. If you're really in the market for an MP5 clone, get Dakota Tactical or another high end builder to build you one.

>>34030363
Oh, I remember Black Ops II...

>>34030825
Bitch come at me and my APC9

>>34030430
>its too different i only like ars
the post

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>>34030439
The grip is garbage, as is the selector design. Luckily, there's quite a few aftermarket options for both.

>>34030513
I haven't had any heat dissipation issues with my carbine, but I'm also running the faux can model. If you have the pistol, there's a barrel cooling sleeve that CZ makes that can be installed should you find it to be a problem.

As a side note, I do think the big appeal to the Scorpion, price aside, is the sheer amount of aftermarket support for it. The only PCCs I can think of with similar support are AR9s, MP5s, and the MPX (kinda), and all of them but the AR9 are almost double the price of a Scorpion pistol.

I've got big time APC9 lust now, but I'm gonna SBR this fucker first before I go chasing another PCC.

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>>34030622
>B&T

My nigga

>>34032589
is the faux suppressor welded?

>>34032607
>SPP SBR

hnnnnngh

>>34033014
>faux

>>34030622
Those 2 pistols (and the Scorpio for that matter) only make sense if you can shoulder them and you've got no brace or form-1. Your collection has potential but it's kind of a joke currently.

>>34030652
The AR charging handle on the mpx causes it to leak gas out its ass. The evo is sealed in the back and therefore a superior charging handle, ambidextrous controls and is developing a healthy aftermarket.

It's not just cheaper than its biggest competitor; it's better.

>>34030363
crumbs, pls

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>>34030622
say goodbye to your dogs

>>34030469
>Buying turkshit

It's like you want to give money to the roaches who fund ISIS and allow rapefugees to pass through into Europe.

I've always wanted an mp5 but as we all know pistol caliber carbines are useless for civilian purposes. Handguns are just too versatile, handle well, and shoot pistol rounds just fine. Still, the mp5 gives me a raging boner. So what did I do? Bought me a gsg-5 in .22. It's as accurate as a 10/22, as light as a Henry ar7, and awesome. It covers the role of accurate survival rifle and cheap tacticool plinkster quite well.

>>34030363
I want to get one of the new pistols with the carbine handguard and flash can, and put one of those side folding SB Tactical braces on it. I just wish there was a brace available with a QD sling mount so I could use my MS4 on it.

>>34033403
You fund the same terrorists by getting gas, paying taxes, or fixing your car :)

>>34030742

> check out this thing costing 3 times what a scorpion goes for, it's totally higher quality

No fucking shit, but if you're spending 2k on a 9mm """pistol""" or carbine it better be an mp5 of some flavor. The scorpion is the only sub 1k entry in the market that isn't an AR, keltec, hipoint, or Beretta storm. For some reason we allow 9mm carbine makers to charge us out the ass. It's still the superior gun to the MPS.

> muh soft shooting 9meme gas gun

Whatever you fags, it's a 9.

>>34033709

> MPS
Supposed to be mpx, autocorrect is outta control.

>>34033721
Maybe stop fucking phoneposting then.

>>34033729

Some of us don't live in a basement and work jobs where we bilk our employers out of pay while we post on 4chan.

>>34032524
>protecting

>>34033403
>implying I could reach society collapsing hights of funding to match the CIA just by buying a gun

>>34033811
Holla

>>34033014
No, the threads are on the muzzle end under the can "shell." It's on there really fucking tight so I haven't bothered to remove it at all, but I know you can just thread it off on some examples and swap it out for whatever 1/2x28 muzzle device you want. That said, if you want to go that route, just get the muzzle brake version.

>>34033262
I don't know if I'd call the Scorpion charging handle "superior." From a suppressor use standpoint, sure, but on the pistol models the handle is sufficiently small that a lot of people complain about it turning the picatinny side rails into knuckle grinders (the carbine is M-LOK and thus doesn't have that problem). Thankfully, you only really need to use it on your first mag since the Scorpion has an AR-style BHO and release, and there's a ton of aftermarket options for that particular part. I've got an enlarged polymer one from HBI showing up today.

>>34033486
Parker Mountain Machine makes a $25 QD mount that installs into the rear HK-style sling loop on each side of the receiver. Midwest Industries is also in the process of making a QD socket attachment for the SBT-EVO brace.

>>34030488

yeah if you like burning your money for brand names

>>34030622
>He fell for all the memes

>>34030622
>still no Mini Uzi carbine
>even the HK USC is missing
it's an OK collection

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>>34033076
>not building yourself a TSP
the foregrip is A E S T H E T I C

>>34035048
Would the side rail issue of skinned knuckles be a non issue if people just wore gloves while shooting you think?

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>>34036989
I have never personally had it be an issue with the ladders bare. Ladder covers would easily resolve the issue though and should be used anyway to protect the polymer rails.

>you fell for the plastic shit
serves you right

>>34030473
I'd probably get the carbine for that sexy extended forend (fits around the can) and two-stamp it.

>>34037042

grandpa go watch your stories

>>34037099
steel and wood have never failed anybody lad

>>34037114
>>34037114
Steel rusts
Wood warps and breaks
Not saying there are no downsides to space age plastics, but it's better than fucking wood.
Not as pretty tho, but we don't use wood on military rifles anymore

>>34033293
ATF just recently ruled that you can shoulder pistol braces again.

>>34033811
meh, I'm paid salary. If they're robbing me on crunch time, I'm robbing it back in cream time.

>>34037114
tell that to the daily "ohshit my stock cracked, how I fixed it?" threads

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>>34037040
I thought about replacing the handguard because of the lower rails being uncomfortable, but just tossed a foregrip on instead

>>34035094
I did, and they're DELICIOUS.

>>34035070
I thought the sentence "I am Poor" only had 3 words. But here, I find 10. How interesting.

>>34030622
Semi auto SMGs look so miserable.

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is the scorpion evo3 really a shitty meme then? because I'm really tempted to keep my CZ-75 SP-01 forever, and start saving 50-100 per month to get an evo 3

>>34032607
is that the motherfucking TMP from counter strike

>>34030622
>Vertical foregrip
>On a pistol

I can already hear the dogs crying.

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>tfw waiting for 10mm scorpion

>>34030932
Are the high end clones really worth double the cost? It looks like the only other clones in the Zenith price range are POF and Bretheren. I've heard bad things about POF and know very little about Bretheren.

>>34035244
UZIs are gay, and the UMP is really just an obsolete APC45.

>>34039286
well, good thing I only have cats. SEVEN cats.

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>>34030363
fuckin poorfag

>>34039384
I can't tell you if it's worth it to you since our cost/benefit curves are most likely drastically different. But from a collector's perspective, paying 3k+ for a VERY well made MP5k-n clone, or even an SD, is definitely worth it.

They're rare and they'll probably always be expensive.

I would love a scorpion
too expensive for me
or a beretta cx4 is more likely for me
but 9mm carbines with a good length barrel really is an attractive market to me
not a fan of the AR builds but anything that lets you shoot for cheap and looks like an SMG is fucking sex

>>34039440
lol, a poorfag with a brace.

I bet you bought that at a discount too. APC9s can be had for 1800 right now.

>>34039479
>not buying double of your heavy use guns
that's my beater APC9 nigger

>>34039492
>not spreading out usage over multiple platforms
yeah u poor, dawg.

>>34030622
>somehow none are SBRs, but one is an illegal AOW

>>34039892
>FUK. THA. POLICE.

>>34033293
that doesnt mean you can put a foregrip on a pistol

>>34039892
Actually, no.

There's court precedent against the "foregrip = AOW" determination

>>34039909
just saying, mang, it's not worth having your dogs shot and Tyrone & Co. expand your sphincter for 10 years in federal prison

>>34039940
well, fortunately I have seven cats and my sphincter is already well exercised.

>>34039936
Wrong.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/open-letter/all-ffls-may2006-open-letter-adding-vertical-fore-grip-handgun/download

>>34039461
Fair enough, I'm still not sure if I want to go full gucci since it's going to be expensive anyway, or just go for the entry level roller meme and leave it at that.
It's a shame it seems like more people are interested in making K models, rather than the full size though.

>>34039964
In another federal case, US v. Fix (UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Lawrence Christopher FIX, Defendant-Appellant. No.00-10789. August 29, 2001),[6] the 5th Circuit Federal Appeals Court countered BATFE. Originally, in the trial case, Fix was convicted under 26 U.S.C. § 5861(d) of possession of an unregistered NFA firearm found during a search of his home and business as a weapon that required NFA registration. In US v. Fix, he appealed and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals reviewed the trial case. The 5th Circuit noted that Fix was a defendant who was found to be in possession of a handgun/pistol that had a second pistol/foregrip attached. On appeal, Fix argued that the Government/BATFE did not prove the handgun/pistol with a second pistol grip added was an unregistered NFA firearm. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals presided and found in a related provision that a GCA "firearm" is defined by a list of eight weapons and a catchall provision of "any other weapon." See 26 U.S.C. §5845(a). "Any other weapon" includes "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," but not "a pistol . . . having a rifled bore . . ." See 26 U.S.C. § 845(e). Weapons not included in the definition of firearm in § 5845 need not be registered under § 5861(d). Fix argues that his firearm was a pistol, not an NFA AOW that met the exception in §5845(e), and, therefore, did not need to be registered under §5861. The 5th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals found that the Government/BATFE failed to prove a violation of §5861(d) for two reasons. First, the weapon did not fit the definition required by the statute in the NFA. The provision defining "pistol" for the purposes of the statute is 27 C.F.R. §179.11, which defines a pistol as "a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand..."

Fuck the ATF fag letters

>>34039978
are you gonna OPERATOR or are you gonna POORPERATOR?

U read me, dawg?

ALWAYS GO GUCCI.

>>34039978
Honestly, at the price some of the clones go for, you may as well just buy an actual HK, assuming you're ok with a K-length. Actual SP5Ks are in the $2200-2500 range last I checked.

>>34040022
>SP5K
you don't want that. Modification to a real MP5 with that is very difficult.

>>34039990
In the last sentence it gives the definition of pistol as being originally designed to be held in one hand. Attach a vfg and it's no longer designed to be used in one hand. How could it not be an AOW? The ATF has consistently held that attaching a vertical foregrip to a pistol constitutes constructing an AOW.

>>34040046
>originally designed
Attaching an accessory is not necessarily re-designing.

In any case, they can "maintain" that all they fucking want, but at the end of the day if they arrest you for it, it goes to the judge, and there's precedent that both the law and the associated ruling are too vague to actually bring against someone.

>>34040069
By that same logic, you could argue that attaching a stock to a pistol does not create a SBR.

>>34040069
do you own any dogs anon

>>34038920
you should get an aftermarket "K" length barrel and a shortie handguard.

>>34040090
No, because people have been successfully convicted of possessing an unregistered SBR.

Are you this fucking dense? The courts do not agree with the ATF

>>34040172
>the courts disagree with the ATF, who is simply reading the definitions provided by the NFA
who is the dense one here?

>>34030363
Are you happy with it? Cause you only fall for the meme if you buy a meme gun and hate it.

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>>34040172
except a vfg on a pistol is explicitly an aow, only angled foregrips and other attachments not considered "grips" are allowed without the stamp

prepare your dogs

>>34040579
woof woof! what dog? I'm a cat.

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>mfw I realized that given the guns that existed at the time, the VFG bit of the NFA was explicitly designed to ban tommyguns in their 1920s configuration

>>34030363
scorpionfags are the worst
>show up at range
>bring out braced scorpion with red dot
>struggle to get minute of pie plate at 10 yards

every scorpion owner

>>34037207
Sig brace was the only one mentioned in the letter, be careful

>>34032589
What grips are those? They look nice

>>34030363
9mm for the win

Go put rounds through it, have fun.

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>>34040936

A big reason that the VFG was included as an NFA component on a pistol was in part due to John Dillinger's "Super .38" conversion.

>>34030622
but none of those are actually carbines sport other than the ps90

>>34030622
Your guns look like shit. Get better taste

>>34041409
and none of them will be. They're all getting form 1'd. Except the PS90, which has had its form 1 approved for about a year.

Soon....Soon....

>>34041425
your face looks like shit, but that didn't stop your mother from running away from your daddy to save you from his post birth abortion procedures.

We all play with the cards we're dealt. Unfortunately, in your case, you've been dealt a very, very bad hand.

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>>34041669
so in about a year I maybe will be impressed.

>>34041724
also you seem like you don't take criticism very well. you should just come to grips with the fact that everyone was not as blown away as you thought.

>>34041755
can't handle the bant?

>>34041316
>no fun allowed

>>34033507
Most oil used in America comes from oil drilled in America sweetie

>>34033507

You are woefully uninformed. Your opinion is powerless.

>>34030363
You should have fallen for the mlok forend one then. The integrated qd mounts are nice too...

If you don't form1 you are homogay

>>34041280
Forward is BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 on an Arisaka low-profile MLOK rail segment. Rear is a Pakse Pathfinder.