French Foreign Legion

>>34022825
*came across

>>34022825
>Was he implying that Russian general infantry was harder than USMC?

The Russians have pretty much zero regard for their troops and kick the ever living shit out of them for general purpose and entertainment. Zero fucks given.

The U.S. military doesn't do that, and if they did, the NCO or Officer would get hammered and kicked the fuck out for being a shithead.

The FFL pretty much has the same disregard for their troops, so NCO's will fuck with them just because they can. Hence, the high desertion rates in the shitty FFL.

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>>34022825
>What did he mean by this?

FFL boot & training is way more physical than USMC.
As a rule, legionnaires run and hard march everywhere. In full pack when needed.
Most other western armies limit such activities because they wear out knees and backs damn fucking fast. The FFL doesn't give a shit. Legionnaires are expendable assets (though they do not intend on just wasting them in combat either).

>Was he implying that Russian general infantry was harder than USMC?

FFL has a lot more hazing (though less raping than with the russians).

Both FFL and Russian military training is similar in that their soldiers are treated like shit but because of that there is a certain hardness about them, but in units like the FFL more so than you get in traditionally trained NATO united, you would not, for example in the British Army or USMC get beaten as a punishment, that does happen in the FFL.

The FFL is like what most NATO forces were like 40 years ago, they are old-school. Also the FFL are generally better at jungle warfare than other forces due to their presence in French Guyana.

I'm not saying that the FFL are necessarily a better fighting force overall, but there is something about them that makes them different.

>>34022905
Is the Russian military raping a meme or is it actually common?

>>34022905
That shit looks like it could have been taken by the Mars Rover, if not for the soldier in the foreground.

Why the fuck does everyone romanticise the FFL so much? Seem like a shit time.

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>>34022873

Contrary to russians sent into chechnya etc, the FFL has enough logistical support (equipment and food) to allow them to survive without having to scrounge much.

In the russian army, half of the supplies get held back for internal power games and the other half are bartered.

>>34022911

I've read an analysis on how feeding prisonners better food makes them more docile.
Keeping legionnaires in large bad conditions supposedly makes them more able to act aggressively on the battlefield. As well as more able to handle the suck.

>>34022917
>Is the Russian military raping a meme or is it actually common?

The hazing is officially recognized as a problem. But raping is rarely acknowledged.
There are however MANY autobiographies by respected soldiers that talk about it. Up to the second war of chechnya.

>>34022937
>Why the fuck does everyone romanticise the FFL so much? Seem like a shit time.

It used to be the "great adventure". Many classical adventure authors served in the FFL. It makes you into a man and you learn to embrace hardship.

>>34022825
Implying their training involves anything other than raising white flags.. .

>>34022952
>t. edgy 14 year old

>>34022825
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-good-soldier-why-a-suicidal-officer-had-to-go-awol-to-save-his-life-20150924

>>34022950
>It used to be the "great adventure".
Is it still?

>>34022952
there are no frenchmen in the french foreign legion. therefore no white flags.

>>34022966
tldr?

does rape happen a lot in the legion?

>>34022981
10th mountain officer becomes suicidal.
goes awol to france.
joins the ffl.
comes back to the states 5 years later.
gets court marshaled.

>>34022999
Ah right, sounds reasonable enough though?

What did he expect to happen?

>>34023009
he was a top notch west pointer, and ended up doing a shit ton more than what he would've done in 10th mtn. he pretty much said "worth" and came back home.

>>34022950
>In the russian army, half of the supplies get held back for internal power games and the other half are bartered.

So the Russians are Muslims? Because that's exactly what Muslim "armies" do with their shit....which part of the reason they're so shit tier.

>>34022999
>gets court marshaled.

As well he should, the deserting piece of shit.

>>34022977
Good point. Was asking myself how could you all be missing that joking oportunity. Carry on.

>>34023024
40% muslins, literally.

>>34023036
his case is a little different. he left the military to go join another military of a friendly nation. that's like if a canadian went awol so he could deploy for afghanistan. idk dude, he seems pretty badass in my book. gave up an entire very promising career to go play in the sand of north africa.

>>34022970
>Is it still?

Who the fuck knows anymore.

Anyone in the FFL now is unlikely to be on /k/, so who will tell us?

>>34023083
>he seems pretty badass in my book

He's a fucking pussy, a liar, and a piece of shit.

That faggot didn't last 3 months as a butter bar in a pathetic stateside leg unit before he decides to abandon his men, his unit, and his nation, to serve.....the fucking FRENCH? He was sooooo "depressed", and yet he put up with FFL bullshit and faggotry? Bullshit.

Fuck that guy.

Classic example of how the conventional army has shit selection standards.

>>34023118
See>>34022960

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>>34023123
>white knighting for a cowardly piece of shit deserter

KYS eunuch.

>>34023170
He left west point because the itch of battle was too strong and he didn't cared if he lived or died, he is the literal opposite of a coward, you fucking moron.

>>34023196
Sure he did, faggot.

Sure he did.

>>34023021
>>34023083
>>34023123
>>34023009
That's not how it went at all.

He deserted right before his unit was to be sent to Afghanistan. If you read earlier articles about him there was absolutely no mention of "depression". His lawyers made up his "depression" excuse in hopes he can receive a lesser sentence.

He didn't want to go to Afghanistan. He left for France instead. He's a coward that deserves to be shot.

>>34023202
underageb&

>>34023206
>ignoring multiple witnesses that testify to behaviour indicative of depression and suicidal thoughts even from a young age

>>34023196
You moron he deserted the army right before his company was sent to Afghanistan.

You idiots need to stop defending this coward.

>>34023206
triple deuce didn't deploy to afghanistan until january of 2010. he went awol to france in march of 2009.

>>34023211
It was a year before, which is a fucking long time depending on what mental illness he had.

>MEDOs, Franks quickly realized, weren't medics. Medics learned how to administer IVs; their young lieutenants, like Franks, learned how to create efficient PowerPoint presentations. It was intensely dull, which only added to Franks' general ambivalence about being an officer. He'd even reached out to a few fellow soldiers and West Point contacts to ask if he might be able to serve his five-year commitment in the enlisted ranks.

>This, the equivalent of a junior vice president of a company asking to resign to take an entry-level job, should have set off immediate alarm bells, says retired Lt. Gen. Charles Otstott. The reaction among officers, Otstott says, "would probably be incredulity and a sensing that the requestor must be mentally ill or over the edge somehow."

There you have it, even a Lt. Gen. says he behaviour should have set off alarm bells, sorry, edgy 14 year olds, the man was not a coward, he was depressed, and wanted the opportunity to die in battle as soon as possible.

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>>34023206
>He's a coward that deserves to be shot.

Hanging.

Less of a burden on the tax payer.

>>34023210
Nigger, I'm a vet. I did a year in A-stan, and 2 in Iraq as a grunt, you cowardly piece of human trash.

Let me guess, you were raised by a single mother that taught you how to be the submissive little piece of shit bitch that you are, right?

Defending deserting bitches...pathetic.

I'm done with you, child.

>>34023210
Yet he passed MEPS with flying colors and was accepted to West Point with absolutely no problem. Then he spent 4 years of free college with no depression issues at all. He then was mentally fit enough to receive a commission as an Infantry officer(the hardest to get in the army) with absolutely no problems with depression.

Yet it's right before he was to be sent to Afghanistan that he had "depression" and "needed" to desert his post like the coward he is. Funny how everyone else with "depression" is automatically disqualified from enlisting in the Army, yet he was able to get into west point and become an infantry officer?

>>34023241
>>34023243
I refer you to >>34023229

>>34023216
>>34023215
His original "excuse" for deserting the army was the lack of "action". If you read earlier reports from when he turned himself in Germany to MPs you would see that was his original "excuse". He said he wanted to fight.

Yet he deserted right before he was to be sent to Afghanistan and instead joined an Army that wasn't at war? Yeah, that makes sense.
His "arguments" contradict themselves.

>>34023274
Explain >>34023229

>>34023279
He "wanted to die in battle" so he deserted a mere months before he was to go to Afghanistan as an Infantryman?

He instead joined an Army that was at Peace because he wanted to die in battle? Yeah that makes total sense.
He's a pussy that spent 4 years training to be an officer and when it came to doing officer duties he gets depressed? Yeah, even more logic.

He should've joined the Peace corps like all the other cowards pussies do. He should have never been allowed to join the Army.

>>34023274
France was at war, they were in Afghan.

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>>34022950
>It makes you into a man
This is just romantic bullshit. The military, any military, will only put you in situations where you have the opportunity to better yourself. Whether you take it or not is up to you. And that's hardly exclusive to the military. After doing a relatively easy 4 years in the infantry I cannot fathom why anyone would want to enslave themselves, that's literally what it is, to the FFL. Do you want to be fit? Train effectively, my fitness is far better now than when I was in. Do you want to fight? There are more modern and less bullshitty services, choose one that understands the onus mush be placed on on individuals' innate professionalism and self discipline rather than on rigid and outdated 19th century disciplinarian concepts.

The FFL and other organizations like it just seem to be a magnate for absolute bottom of the barrel idiots who need to be told to breathe and subsequently thrive in such strict environment and also for immature retards who don't understand that being treated like shit and used for the benefit of others does not automatically make you better or a man, nor is it 'honorable' or any other kind of pride inflating shit like that.

>>34023302
> t. a faggot whoes never served

Get over it loser. Desertion isnt a big deal these days, le old school 'hang the traitor' shit is out dated. IMO if people become depressed in the military they should be allowed to leave, the doors always open.

Ive been in for 8 years and served in two branches and I never hold anything against people who go AWOL, Ill even give them the money to leave if thats what they feel they need to d. Theres boat loads of new cunts joining everyday who can take their spot.

>>34023302
>He "wanted to die in battle" so he deserted a mere months before he was to go to Afghanistan as an Infantryman?
It was a year. As was said previously, this is a very long time depending on what deployment.

>>34023302
>He instead joined an Army that was at Peace because he wanted to die in battle? Yeah that makes total sense.
They were not at peace you fucking moron. Seriously, how retarded do you have to be to not know that France was at war?

The FFL are almost always deployed somewhere, they are treated as disposable by the French because they die it's not one of their own.

Question: If he actually just wanted escape war and was, why did he run away and join an army, as opposed to just running away?

>>34023307
They had ended their "deployments".
Plus the chances he would be sent is next to impossible. The FFL had like 2 deployments in their 10 year involvement in Afghanistan.

So he deserted right before he was to be sent to Afghanistan in the US Army in hopes he could go to Afghanistan with the French army who had a virtually no chances of deploying to Afghanistan? Yeah, that logic isn't working bud.

>>34022825
He meant you'll get literally beat the fuck up for any reason the instructors feel like

>Don't speak or answer in French?
Have a broken nose

>Didn't do push ups properly?
Have a kick to the gut

You're trash to France, the Legion don't need you, you need the Legion, the moment you sign they own you for five fucking years, you leave and you're blacklisted and blocked from service by every fighting force on earth as a coward

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>>34023312
>the onus mush be placed on on individuals' innate professionalism

>>34023243
Its not an uncommon phenomenon for people to pass through their training with good appraisals and scores only to go to rat shit as soon as they get to their unit. Isolation, no safety net of instructors, may not like the locality, may not gel with the people at the unit, shock of how its suddenly real and you're on your own. It gets to some people, you cant predict it or prepare for it. It happened to me, although I staunched through it but not everyone can do that.

For whatever reason this man wanted to get away and the Legion was his ticket to do so.

>>34023318
Holy fuck you're retarded.

The legion hasn't had any real wars since the 1950s.

Look at their history. They simply haven't done shit you 12 year old French loving fanboy.

>>34023323
>you leave and you're blacklisted and blocked from service by every fighting force on earth as a coward

LOL, no.

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>>34023335

>>34023338
Yes, you don't get to sign up with a fake identity anymore unless it's really needed, even with stellar service the only place you can join post-Legion is national guard units and very few Euro countries

>>34023322
>The FFL had like 2 deployments in their 10 year involvement in Afghanistan.

WOW.jpeg

How many tours did you do? I didnt know they let 15yos go over there.

They were also in Mali.

>>34023315
You lying sack of shit.
Let me guess in your fantasy land you "served" in the Coast Guard and Air Force?

You delusional maniac. You were never in the military. You're most likely 17 and like to pretend you're someone else. That's pathetic, kid.

>>34023345
Lol again no. No one is going to give two shits whether you deserted and its not like the Legion would or could tell every nation in the world you deserted. They wouldn't give a shit once you were gone aslong as you never come back. What you think some retarded corporals sitting in Aubagne is gona notify Interpol that a legionnaire was fucked off back home?

Just dont tell anyone where you were for the period of time you served. Say you were on a holiday.

>>34023349
No the Navy and Im currently a Forward Observer in the Army. I dont retract my statement, this isnt the Roman Legions or Napoleons Grand Armee, the military is a job and for alot of people and shit one thats not worth it. Theyre not hurting anyone by going AWOL. Deal with it you little shit bag.

>Le muh oath

Just a bitch of words you mutter under your breath when you enlist. Doesn't mean shit, neither does ink on paper.

>>34023326
What are you implying, Mr. Bond?

>>34023358
You're a complete fucking idiot if you think they wont enter it into interpol when it takes their HR literally 3 minutes to do so

>>34023343
What did the do doing desert Storm? Nothing, they "protected" the US army flank. They did not fire a single bullet in combat. This is purely a historical fact.

The "le expendable legion" meme is fake. How many combat deaths have they had I'm the past 30 years? What like 3? Again, this is purely a historical fact, not an opinion.

You're delusional. Look up the facts. FFL hasn't done anything. If you join hoping to go to war you will be extremely disappointed.

>>34023170
>deserted a decent and lucrative military contract to go serve in the toughest military force in NATO

Thats not desertion. He left for something that was harder.

>>34023347
>Mali
Holy shit you're joking?
Mali was not war.

No one died in combat. There was less than 10 casualties total. Your average Detroit police officer sees more action than that """"'war''''''"''''''.

>>34023369
>HR
>The Legion

LOL.
>>34023370
>They did not fire a single bullet in combat
Wrong they engaged Iraqi Tanks with their AMX-10s. Besides the majority of the coalition didnt fire a shot.
>They did not fire a single bullet in combat
Their supposed to apologise for not having a high casualty rate? Maybe it goes to show they are good at what they do.

How many wars have you been in kid?

>>34023370
>They did not fire a single bullet in combat. This is purely a historical fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3Tq477dhw

>>34023389
That's Afghanistan you illiterate child.

The first clip is of French regular army, not the legion. Again you're embarrassing yourself.

"French" foreign (African kangz) legion is a joke. They're literally the worst "soldiers". Even fucking Canada has better soldiers.

>>34023407
The second clip is the FFL you damn fool.

FFL make USMC look like pussies.

Their training is much harder.

In addition to the training they also mostly all have to learn a new language to such a high level that it can be used in life or death situations.

If you do wrong they beat you. They don't give a shit about your rights.

>>34023067
no you retard
it's 10%

What is going on here?

People were supposed to talk about the FFL not if some faggot deserted for one reason or the other or to see if the french participated in a real war since 1950.

Goddamit /k/

>>34023694
the language part is utter bullshit
the majority of legionaries know at best broken french at the end of their term at worst only swear words

>>34022917
More common as in the Navy, but not prison common.

>>34022977
There is 20-30% of frenchmen in the legion depending on the years, usually under false nationalities like canadian or belgian.

>>34023370
60 combat death from 1976 to 2016, in 23 countries. I don't think they count the deaths in Guyana since they are considered police operations.

2 combat deaths in desert storm, where they took the Al-Salman airport and the road network on its north. Fighting against T-55s, T-59s, T-62s and infantry in bunkers, mostly.

>>34023084
We got a /k/ommando in Mali.

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>>34022825
I've been debating betwen the Russian Army and the FFL.
Russian army gets more deployments,but lesser pay and even more hazing than FFL.
It's probably easier to join then the FFL.
FFL has a "better" reputation,better pay but less deployments.

>>34022937
Traditionally it was a way for anyone no questions asked to get into a military and launder their past.

>>34022825
Russian/Soviet
When your military does not care about as a more than a military asset and no obligation to take care of you when you are injured in the line of duty in training. Has a imposed intake so always getting guys (and lots not always suited for military). Then you get Kleenex soldier mentality.

FFL
These guys were traditionally the lowest of the low and no questions asked on enlistment. Often more enlisting than needed. Often not a French Citizen. Institutional behavior then again "Kleenex soldier" with the train them hard so when in combat they last longer thought process.

>>34022873
>>34022905
>>34022911
>>34022977
>>34022990
memes propagated by /k/unts
>>34023021
Pretty much this. His commanding officer in the legion even pled for him saying he was an excellent soldier including under fire. And they don't do this for money or blowjobs there.
>>34023206
except he also was deployed and saw combat with the legion.
>>34023215
this
>>34023274
>and instead joined an Army that wasn't at war?
France, not at war in pretty much everywhere in 2009
How do I know you're a cuck ?
>>34023318
memes again, legionnaires aren't disposable and have the same rights every french soldier gets.
Also there are litterally 8 candidates for each spot in the legion.
They're deployed everywhere because they're good at what they're doing, hard as fuck, professionals, and nothing else. The same goes for every french expeditionnary troops, from infanterie de marine to spahis light cavalry.
>>34023323
>>34023335
>>34023345
more memes
>>34023358
also a meme, every ex military joining the legion is scrutinised and his parent army called to know why the guy left or what he was doing prior... Except when some exceptionnal individuals join and they let it sink. It happened with a brit officier fed up with the british army who left for the legion, once. The poor bloke saw combat, fought bravely, and then was killed in plain sight in the middle of a street when he went home in the UK. His murderers were never found of course. Anglos gonna be anglos I guess.
>>34023370
>>34023379
>>34023407
more memes

Also for the faggot who said Mali wasn't a war, here's a little something to watch you 15 y/o mongoloid airshitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3iXNtLkug

It was translated in english given the insistance of many US and UK commenters, since the terrorist organisation France did beat up in Mali was (and still is) the african branch of ISIS.
The same ISIS the US are not at war with in Iraq and Syria, am I right ?

>>34022937

because of their roguish nature. honestly i don't see any reason to join the FFL unless you really really want to use a FAMAS or you absolutely need french citizenship.

>>34024790
>Also there are litterally 8 candidates for each spot in the legion.

Holy fucking shit,

Here in Spain the relationship is 100 for every job(assuming egalitarian distribution, in reality most people aim for the chair forces) and if you hit 29 you can't apply for the army(you can join a complementary officer or reservist but yaddayadda its not the same and they kick you before you hit 40 if I remember correctly)

Do they put limits into how many times you can try to join?

>>34023739
No, those who finish their 5 years contract usually speak honorable French, and most important understand it well.

>>34024860
No, most NCOs know broken french let alone the legionaries

>>34024790
There are less accepted into the FFL because they are downsizing. They even left Djibouti for UAE because basically they are doing jack shit.

>>34023365
I don't know anon, in a world like this the military pursuits of the US have a lot banking on them, one catastrophic defeat and it's a horrible look, imagine American soldiers surrendering an masse, it would be a disaster. I don't want people to fight till their last breath when they don't have to but I want out soldiers to treat their work with the utmost professionalism, commitment, and importance, I want them to want to fight. If you're providing anything less ideally you should leave.

>>34024876
I said "honorable". Of course it's broken French, but it's better than many student I've met.