There is literally NO reason why this shouldn't be a real thing

>>34017652
Spend hundreds of millions or billions to build a flying vehicle with the most obvious weak point known to man. Hmm. Wonder why it isn't a thing

>>34017652
>There is literally NO reason why this shouldn't be a real thing

Well, except for physics.

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There was once serious consideration of mounting two 105mm guns on a Chinook. but it was rejected because it would make the chinook too slow.

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There is literally NO reason why this shouldn't be a real thing

>>34017652
How would you land it?

>>34017681
drop the bottom howitzer into the ocean

>>34017652
That's really hard to look at

>>34017652
4 weapon systems using ammo, only enough space for ammo of 1 gun... not to mention a fucking cannon that will throw off the balance of the aircraft nor the recoil from firing it...

>>34017652
>how to give aircraft maintainers nightmares: the aircraft

>>34017652
I want this in a mod in an Unreal Tournament game.

>>34017764
it could be unmanned, that would free up room for more ammunition

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>>34017764

This. Current helicopters struggle with full sized auto-cannon rounds because of the heavy recoil.

Webm related, look at how the helo waddles back and forth after the burst and those cannons are mounted on the cheek, close to the center of mass and lift.

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Ghost in the Shell, JSDF Jigabachi attack helicopter.

the huge turret tucks up for landing.

>>34017819
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw OP

>>34017652
I can give you at least 10.

What about the fact that it's retarded?

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>>34017652

>>34018639
there has never been a slow helicopter that was also a bad helicopter

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>>34017811
That's got a lot more to do with the fact that it's a silly bastard 30mm Gast gun with a ludicrous 3000rmp fire rate fabricobbled onto the side of the Hind, which was only ever meant as a bodge job Afghanistan upgrade. The Apache has no issues with the same caliber bushmaster gun because its has both a sensible fire rate and muzzle velocity, which won't beat the shit out of the airframe.

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HEY GUYS WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS THREAD

>>34017819
fuck someone already posted it

>>34017668
nice. a chinook is faster than an apache.

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>>34018669

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>>34018794

>The Apache has no issues with the same caliber bushmaster gun because its has both a sensible fire rate and muzzle velocity, which won't beat the shit out of the airframe.

The Apache´s 30mm auto-cannon doesnt fire full length rounds. Its only 30x113 instead of 30x165 or 30x173.

>>34018931
>Its only 30x113 instead of 30x165 or 30x173.
Does the job though, it'll fuck you 180'

>>34018931
My point exactly: Reduced muzzle velocity from smaller cartridge means less recoil. The Hind struggles only because the GSh-30-2k is an unsuitable weapon. Even through the Hughes 30mm (not Bushmaster, I was mistaken) on the Apache fires a shortened round, the Mi-28 has no problems with its full length 30mm, the same round used by Russian IFVs.

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>implying

>>34018931
the canon on the havoc is so stupid
its only good for killing armor/light vehicles because it only carries 250 rounds

kill the vehicles with missles, have a cannon for mopping up infantry

>>34020116
>kill the vehicles with missles, have a cannon for mopping up infantry

its actually the complete opposite lol

>>34020355
But why is that? I guess it's because it uses ap ammo in a cannon caliber and hedp missiles or something similar, but why not do the opposite? Use a machine gun in .50BMG for killing personnel or appropriate light targets and use the saved payload for more AP missiles to take out harder targets.

>>34017668

Point the guns backwards as a speedboost.

>>34018811

Immediately what I thought of when I saw OP. GITS: SAC had some really great future army concepts.

>>34017819
Why the fuck is the turret so big

>>34024390
Probably because they wanted it to look like a giant hornet/wasp/hymenopteran.

>>34019055
It's not just the muzzle velocity. The 30x113 is also fires a much lighter and weaker projectile. 30x113 HE projectile weights 270g, while 30x165/170/173 HE projectile weights 360-390g.

>>34017819

CYBERBIRD

>>34017819
this is the most retarded thing I've ever seen

>>34024564

You haven't seen much in life, have ya boy?

>>34024567
Just you faggot

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>>34017819
Gits had such great designs

>>34018669

You sir, are the greatest artist that ever LIVED!!

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>>34018669

>>34020355
No it isn't, you shoot what you can at who you can. The 30mm is enough for Russian APCs and IFVs and the rockets do well to. In Afghanistan they use both but the 30mm is devastating.

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>>34024716
>who did it first?

>>34018794

someone reads the viz

There is a reason.

The reason is that missiles >>> guns for kills per stowed mass.

>>34024760
The 30mm is meh for COIN. The impact fuse needs something hard to detonate, like rock, or the side of a BMP. Versus sand it tends to bury itself before going off, so the lethality vs dismounts is poor compared to a 7.62 minigun - the 30mm needs a direct hit to kill well, but has less ammo for it than a 7.62 gun.

It gets the job done ofc. That's good enough.

Laser guided 70mm otoh is the greatest anti-insurgent weapon ever made. Big enough to guarantee kills in the open, on trucks or vs a room, small enough it won't wreck the house next door, and cheap+accurate so there's never fear of running out of shots.

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>>34017652

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>>34019111

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There is literally NO reason why this shouldn't be a real thing

>>34017652
Now that lasers and active defense are a thing we might see gunships being more adopted, but not helichopters, I mean AC-130s

>>34017652
>refueling probe shorter than the diameter of the rotors
This can only end badly.

>>34027638
>what is perspective
the helicopter could be smaller than a little bird for all we know

>>34017652
that is the ugliest fucking thing I have ever seen

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>>34026318
>bullets drop from reciever into spinning barrels after being stripped from the magazine

>>34024716
Is it possible for a Git to have enough dakka?

>>34025035
Roger Mellie is my spirit guide.

>>34024390
maybe ammo storage?

>>34028630
Something that always bothered me about this is that it still has the turboshaft engines with their huge-ass exhaust pipes.

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>>34028630
>>34029276
If you remove the propeller, pretty much everything above the main compartment becomes unneeded, which sort of destroys the hind look.