What was his problem /k/?

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Elv- I mean Germans.

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>Warsaw
>Rotterdam
>London
>Moscow
>Leningrad
>Stalingrad

>Dresden
>WOW WHAT THE FUCK MAN YOU CAN'T DO DAT DATS A WAR CRIME HOW DARE YOU BOMB OUR CIVILIAN POPULATION.

>>34015917
I just hope when the 2nd northern crusade comes to take back europe from the heathens, we have another like him

>>34015917
AGAIN
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Harris was a war criminal, mass murder, and cultural destroyer. Harris is one of the most evil people in history

He was a Britshit, what do you expect.
Gotta bomb people to make up for your microdick, even if it means that in 60 years your beloved country's capital is ruled by muslims.

>>34015917
Based Anglo

>>34016370
>>34016371
T.assmad ratzi's

>>34015917
Didn't have enough bombs to drop, never enough bombs.

The war ended before nuclear weapons were introduced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dF9ayyDpOs

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>>34016370

>cultural destroyer.

Of which the Nazi's were the number one offender on the western front. Pic related, its Rotterdam which had its historical center obliterated by German bombers.

>>34016371

I hope you do know that the first bombings of cities and towns were done by the Germans with the Zeppelins in WW1?

>do it again bomber harris

>>34015917
The continued survival of Germany.

He did nothing wrong.

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What is the difference between the Dresden bombing and Germany's best comedian?

Only the first one can make you smile

Too many krauts, not enough bombs.

>>34017455
Add Madrid to the long long list of German war crimes.

>>34017455
The jews forced our Hands. None of that would have happened if they had surrender

>>34015917
Do you mean his bitter rivalry with air marshall Park that killed dozen of pilots, thousands of civilians, and almost cost the brits the battle of Britain to the point that sir Winston Churchill had to slap a bitch to fix the situation, or the Dresden bombings?

>>34016320
>The nazis have made extermination camps
>That means it's okay if we also make some
Without any judgement on the bombings, I hope you see the flaw in your logic.

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>>34019281
>>The nazis have made extermination camps
Which I would cheerfully fed all the German population into.
That way they would have really got to reap what they had sewn. :)

>>34019281

>and almost cost the brits the battle of Britain

Implying that they were ever close to losing

>>The nazis have made extermination camps
>>That means it's okay if we also make some

Kind of Apples to oranges here.

Extermination camps actively hindered the war effort.

Strategic bombing was important in damaging infrastructure and industry and indirectly taking up enemy resources to combat.

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>>34015917
Bomber Harris did nothing wrong

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DO IT AGAIN

>>34019382
If Parks and Harris hadn't stopped not protecting each other's airfields and the germans hadn't switched to targeting civilian centers, britain would have been in deep shit.

>Kind of Apples to oranges
>Without any judgement on the bombings
Last time I use a parable on 4chan, I swear.

>>34015917
beady eyes, anglo lies, a burning hatred for civilization and a love of private central banking to the degree that they'd gladly feed the youth of entire generations into a meatgrinder to enslave all those nations which DIDN'T want to surrender their economic sovereignty.

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>>34019946
Still waiting on someone to do a British Empire .gif
Though it would probably have to be a webm to get everything in

>>34015917
do it again bomber harris

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>>34015917

he read douhet

>>34016370
>>34016371
Finally somebody said it

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>>34015917
He could have killed more Nazis if he'd managed the bomber offensive better

>>34019321
did a german shit in your breakfast or something?

>>34019492
They'd have moved the airfields further west and north. They can still cover southern England whilst the Germans didn't have the range to touch them.

>>34023889
Well, english food does taste like someone has shat in it.

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>>34016320
This, i wouldn't hate germans as much if they wouldn't bomb cities full of civilians.
>heheheh our army is far more powerful than our enemy
>let's bomb their cities and kill thousands of innocent civilians, im sure that if one day we'd be on the losing side they won't bomb ours
Germans were too fucking proud and they needed Anglo cock to be showed down their thorats while soviet dick would pund their german pussy.
They deserved everything for being retarded
>hey maybe we should have some long range bombers that could carry enough to bomb our enemies facotories?
>nah lmao stuaks are enough, dive bombing ftw
What's pissing me the most is warsaw uprising
>opress citiy for 4 years
>literally kidnapp people in the middle of the day to send them to germany or to camps
>regulary take them and torture them
>be surprised when they rise against you
>bomb the entire fucking city untill literally everything is in ruins
>cry "muh warcrime" when anglos bomb one of your cities
Existance of Germany after wwII should be considered crime against humanity.

>>34024115
Change "german" to "nazi"

>>34015917
dont do something in war and expect there to be no repercussions

>wahhh we did it but that doesnt mean u haft to do it thats bad logic
its war, that is exactly why you have to do

>>34015917
How can /k/ support this war criminal. Many of my countrymen died due to his bloodlust

>>34019492

>Actually believing Britain could have comprehensively lost that battle

Germany didn't have anything like the range to reach aircraft launching from further north, and they were losing more pilots while having lower aircraft production. The moment the UK prevented that battle being a complete clean sweep (which was never going to happen), there was no turning back.

>>34024940

>Talk shit, level entire cities in bombing
>Whine when someone does it back to you

Wehraboos, everybody.

>>34024940
>bomb civilian cities all the way thorugh your campaing
>gett butthurt when somebody bombs back
Don't throw rocks at me or i'll throw them back faggot.

>>34024973
>>34024980
Those cities were filled with Enemy combatants. Dresden was filled with Women and children Running away from the Subhuman soviets.

>>34015917
chat shit get hit, krautnigger

>>34016370
>>34016371
Go back to /pol/
LOL cracka ass mad wite boiz

>>34025016
and the cities germans bombed weren't filled with civilians and children? Warsaw, Rotterdam, Wielun were filled with them but that didn't stop germans. Fuck you kraut nigger im happy that your country is getting fucked my Ahmeds, you deserve this for destroying Europe.

>>34025016
>Bombing london
>Bombing stalingrad and leningrad
>LOL cities are full with enemies no civilians there
>Dresden and other cities get bombed to shit
>They are full of peaceful civilians and no soldiers were ever there
There most retarded shit i have ever heard you german subhuman. That's why germans lost the war, they were to retarded and arrogant.

>>34025016

In a way, this was the rationale behind Dresden. The Red Army could see the reddish hue of the burning city each night on the horizon as they approached, and finally witness the devastation wrought by allied bombs. Word of that, passed through their lines, would have disinclined them to continue the westerly offensive after the German defeat (which was a serious concern at the time.)

>>34024960
Abandonning the airports in the south means less efficient bombing of the continent, less patrols in the channel, and less convoy protection. And a small chance of the germans actually going through Seelowe.

You can do anything with "what if?" anyways. Comprehensively, Fall Gelb had no chances of success.

>>34019281
They didnt put us in extermination camps, if they had then we would have returned the favour

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>>34025016
>London, various Russian cities, and fuck tone of cities in west were filled with only soldiers while Dresden was filled with only babies and women
Every time german women gets raped by an immgrant i smile knowing that justice still exsits.

>>34015917
Having a face as large as lancaster and being taller than clouds is not easy everyday

>>34015917
The Manhattan Project hadn't finished yet

>>34025481
This

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>>34025481
kek'd
>>34026000
check'd
>>34025498
do it again Bomber Harris

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>bomb countries
>get bombed back

>WTF WARCRIMES WE DINDU NUFFIN

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>>34025498
do it again bomber harris

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber

>>34024973
>>34024980
he said that the allied bombing of civilians was a war crime
>therefore he's perfectly fine with the nazi's war crimes
see the problem?

>>34015917
If bombing Germans cities was fine because they started it, then why was bombing Japanese cities ok?

>>34017780
why do antifa members hate themselves so much?

>>34026564
I would hate myself If I knew I would grow up as a German

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34026513
Pearl Harbor.War crime because they didn't send a DOW.

>>34026786
>plan a surprise attack
>tell your enemy that you are coming
And it's quite far from bombing cities.

>>34026020
Achtung! It's anudder dresden

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber

>>34026687
why?

Daily reminder that Dresden and Hamburg scared the shit out of the german high command and the only mistake the US and Brits made was stopping after those two

If we had bombed a few more cities in the same way it may have ended the war

Sleep tight bomber

>>34027389
i don't think that a regime that sent five million of its fighting-aged men to die at the front and that slaughtered millions of europeans, including hundred thausands of its own citizens, could be convinced to surrender without utter defeat aka the battle of berlin

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34026062

sleep tight bomber

>>34027389
They were already so fucked that it would not have mattered to those few fanatics.
Ending war barely two months before it did wasn't really worth it.

Did Berlin have so much heavier defences or why didn't they concentrate bombing it more?

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>>34026218
>therefore he's perfectly fine with nazi war crimes

where do you think we are?

>>34026062

sleep tight bomber

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber

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>>34026513
>>34026878
>and it's quite far from bombing cities

can you tell where this is going yet?

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>>34020760

>>34027826
Please post Bong and Burged ones also.

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber

>>34025498
Do it again Bomber Harris

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>>34027982

no such luck with the Brits or ROC, but here you go

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>>34027867
Damn, I've never seen the Italian one before. Nice

>>34015917
He wasn't thorough enough

>>34027793
not exactly sure what you mean but just because you're on 4chan doesn't mean that you have to be a nazi or wehraboo

>krauts ruin Europe for 100th time
>bongs are commie enablers

>>34026878
>"The Contracting Powers recognize that hostilities between themselves must not commence without previous and explicit warning, in the form either of a reasoned declaration of war or of an ultimatum with conditional declaration of war." Hague 1907
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hague03.asp
And then there were bataan,the I-8 and the hell ships.

DO IT AGAIN SHABBOS GOY HARRIS

>>34028930
I always imagine one of two things when I see assdestroyed responses to a thread about our lord and savior:
1: A neckbearded /pol/ sped
2: A charred german sitting at a computer

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>>34030229
>2: A charred german sitting at a computer

My sides

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>>34028107

>>34025498
do it again bomber harris

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

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>>34030229
>a charred german

holy fuck

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>>34030313
>>34031197
This is what you have done

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>>34031969
>WTF WARCRIMES THEY DINDU NUFFINS THEY WERE GOOD BOYS

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>>34019865
>a burning hatred for civilization and a love of private central banking to the degree that they'd gladly feed the youth of entire generations into a meatgrinder to enslave all those nations which DIDN'T want to surrender their economic sovereignty.
Are we talking about anglos or the eternal kraut here?

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>>34015917

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>>34032613
It all makes sense now..

>>34028037
This, but unironically

>>34027389
In their defence, it wasn't for a lack of trying. They never quite worked out the trick of creating a firestorm on demand.

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>>34031197
>>34031969
>>34030313
>>34030229
I am not a good person

>>34032763
Kek

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>>34032763
Holy shit.

>>34025378
That screencap is one of the most retarded things I've seen in a while
>The Wiemar Republic was great
Fucking kek. Just posting that discredits anything you have to say

>>34032763
noice

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34028180
Don't forget that prison camp in China

>>34025016
Rotterdam is different.
>Threaten the Dutch to bomb Rotterdam if they do not surrender
>The Dutch send someone to negotiate with Onkel Adi's gang
>Rotterdam is bombed anyways because fuck you.

>>34015917
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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>>34032909
And in hindsight: we should've known better.
>Declare neutrality as soon as possible
>Onkel Adi promises that he won't invade us
>We get invaded anyways.

>>34019281

>almost cost Brits the Battle of Britain
>every lost German pilot was extremely costly
>british pilots generally got recovered and reissued a new fighter the same day

The only time the Battle of Britain got sketchy was when Germany started using V-1s. Being able to hit London from mainland France without much chance to counter was the moment that Britain realised that we needed to do shit about Germany.

Luckily Germans are fucking idiots and instead of just making better V-1s, they made V-2s and bankrupt their entire economy on stupid decisions.

Germany was their own downfall. 'Oh ja Hans, lets take this accurate and cheap delivery system and instead of improving it so it carries better payloads, we just increase da cost 20x over for no actual increase in effectiveness'.

>>34020760

But we don't deny what we did.

We just laugh at the proles who think we give a fuck.

You are welcome for the civilisation afforded to you by the British Empire and her doctrines.

>>34016320
Is it that unusual to bomb cities you are actively invading?

I didn't think so.

>>34024115
This, i wouldn't hate americans as much if they wouldn't bomb cities full of civilians.
>heheheh our army is far more powerful than our enemy
>let's bomb their cities and kill thousands of innocent civilians, im sure that if one day we'd be on the losing side they won't bomb ours

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34032987
This, americans paid price for bombing germans, i mean look at all the american cities that nazis bombed, oh right.

>>34032991
Japs, you retard.

Also, it isn't rather or not retaliation actually occurs, but the sentiment.

>>34025498
Do it again bomber Harris

I'll never understand people blaming Germany of all fucks for the current refugee crisis.

It was the US who invaded the middle east and destabilized it, and a collectize effort of European cuckery to take them all in.

>>34033009
>European cuckery
*west European cuckery, as far as i know slavs still didn't take any in.

>>34028037
the red menace was real should have nuked moscow

>>34024940
Talk shit, get hit faggot

>>34025498
Do it again bomber Harris thos time using nukes

>>34024123

muh clean Wehrmacht

>>34015917
Who else always thinks this is Walter Cronkite at first glance

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>>34015917
Bomber Harris do it again

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>>34015917
The continued existence of the German race.
When a statue in his honor was built. Many germans came to Britain with the sole intent on destroying it. They even went as far to attack the queen

If Timothy McVeigh was evil, then Harris was far worse, as McVeigh only hit government buildings. If it's wrong to kill American civilians for the actions of their government, then same for German civilians.

If Harris dindu nuffin wrong, then neither did McVeigh.

>>34035795
Harris was a Rhodesian and had a cool moustache and that sexy English accent would go down well with any woman. He had a ranch, too.

McVeigh was a turbo autist who was correct about government overreach and literally nothing else and was the sort of guy who would corner you at parties and talk about guns even though you only came for a few beers, then killed a bunch of people.

Basically Harris was what /k/ wants to be and McVeigh is what /k/ actually is

>>34035795
That's because the German government was evil and the US government is good.

You can cry like a bitch all you want, doesn't change the fact.

>>34035852
>the German government was evil and the US government is good
Subjective, and irrelevant. The question wasn't whether a government was good or evil, but whether it is justified to kill civilians for the actions of their government. Try some reading comprehension next time

>You can cry like a bitch all you want, doesn't change the fact.
Not an argument

>>34032937

The Battle of Britain had been finished for years before the V-1's and V-2's started.

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>>34035795

>>34025498
Do it again for old time sake, Bomber Harris.

>>34030229
Number 2 had me fucking dying.

>>34032763
This

It wins wars in a horrible way, but you can't argue the results.

>>34032935

To be fair, it's not like there was a whole lot your country could do.

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>>34032763

>>34034035
By this logic you are responsible for everything any of your countrymen ever did. Do you feel like you should be?

>>34028037
A lot of those (read a majority) aren't war crimes though.

>>34032763
Saving that for next time...

>>34032763
Yamete

>>34036349
You've just walked right into the point that image was trying to make.
Good job!

>>34036936
How?

>>34036936
>racial segreation is a war crime
>patton disliking jews is a war crime
>ford being antisemitic is a war crime
>us winning ww2 is a war crime
>saying that the league of nations destroyed national sovereignty is a war crime
Whoever made that is retarded

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It will end.... soon.

But before it does, a lot more krauts gotta die.

>>34032992
>Japs you retard

What bombs you retard, the only fucking thing that even hit the US mainland were some Japanese weather ballons covered in diseases and small bombs. Read a fucking book, you stupid nip.

>>34023669
still butthurt that you tried to bomb the brits into submission and were beaten at the game you started?

>>34024940
And all of them deserved it. You fucking people put that Lunatic in power and clicked your heels. How can you even ask that question?

>>34015917
He had no problem. Enemies are to be destroyed. Their humanity is irrelevant. If you care for the fate of your opponent you are a traitor, end of story.

Wehrboos should just start killing their own nation's troops now and don't forget to fight for their Fourth Reich on /pol/.

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34016320
WOOOOOOOOOOOW. WTF, MAN. LITERALLY HITLER.

>>34031969
How did they miss the statue?

>>34016370
>war criminal, mass murder, and cultural destroyer.

Everything he did was perfectly legal under the laws of war in effect at the time.

You're just throwing around that ex post facto revisionism because you're deeply and irrevocably butthurt that Germany set new records in losing badly. All of those Aryan bloodlines now have a healthy dose of Slav in them.

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>>34015917
Why does it still live

>>34039300
The nazi regime instituted a law that said that for every german soldier killed by partisans 50 civilians had to be killed. Does this law in your opinion excuse the atrocities commited by germans on the eastern front?

>>34039199
Yes, fucking wehraboos right? You know who else thaught that the enemy had to be completely destroyed without regarding their humanity?

>>34032763
Germans should just stop posting on /k/ after this.

>>34039019
Goddamn you are retarded, I can't even. Learn to read.

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>>34042097
Nope. But you bombed us at home in a variety of places and are very upset when the combatants who bothered to invest in large numbers of heavy bombers decided to retaliate in kind. Harris was right, you Germans are very naive.

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>>34035852
>US Government is good

>>34042333
I agree that the bombings were understandable as retaliation, that doesn't however make them just. Pointing out that the areal bombing of civilians was wrong doesn't mean that we germans believe to be innocent or naively think we didn't commit much worse war crimes. War is shit, i guess we can agree on that

>>34016320
>germans were the only ones bombing historical cities and civilians

fuck off, zhukov

Sees noice Lundin bombed during blitz by nazis, wenches ´n kids burned alive.
Is authisitc enough to do same shit nazis did
to random wenches´n kids in those germin cities, because muh feels.

btw: after the recent manchester attack and the rapes from rotherham to birmingham, not to forget the london bombings in the 2000s, would he bomb muslim majority british towns/quarters for being mostly muslim or would he bomb the united kaliphates as a whole, because it were the bongs who voted for politicans that let the rapists and bombers/knifers/etc. into the country? you know, like the dresdeners voted for uncle adi?

>>34042406
G*rmans literally levelled 85% of Warsaw and kllied/exiled 200k civilians just to prove a point. Before the war the city was referred to Paris of the East ffs.

>>34044178
ru**ians literally leveled 95% of Jelgava and 80% of Rēzekne even though the cities were empty of enemy troops

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>>34015917
>>34044178
>>34044221

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>>34044253

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>krauts eternally assblasted

>>34032983
>Actively invading London

Do it again bomber Harris.

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber

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>>34032763

>>34036302
Not that anon, but I don't think that's his logic. I don't think a rejection of the glean bearmagd myth is an attack on the average German soldier. The argument wasn't that they were all baby-bayoneting murderers. It's that officers in the Wehrmacht knew what was going on, and some Jew-killing was done by Wehrmacht soldiers, perhaps in coordination with the SS at some points.

>>34045098
Agreed. Many in the Wehrmacht took part in the killings, but you have to keep in mind that nearly every German man was conscripted, and the number of German war criminals was still a(n unfortunately large) minority. Also, claiming that retaliation on civilians was justified because of German war crimes is what I originally disagreed with.

>>34019382
Bombing Dresden did not have any influence on any military progress you dumbass. It was just revenge.
It just showed everyone will commit war crimes when they think they can get away with it.

>>34044221
Fuck off Balt nigger! Still pissed about their occupation and then your countrymen fleeing and crying across the border. Kek

>>34045382
eat shit and die disgusting subhuman

>>34045394
>subhuman
>balt nigger saying that
Don't you have to work somewhere in europe for 0.05$ an hour or so.

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>>34045419
dont project your shitty life onto others, subhuman

Do it again bomber haris>>34025498

Sleep tight bomber>>34026062

>>34035852
Life to you is nothing but a movie.

>>34042333
>Conduct drone strikes throughout the middle east.
>Get bombed at at home.

>"retaliate in kind"
Abu Bakr was right, you bongs are very naive.

>>34045425
No whites died in Hiroshima, so morality in on our side.

>>34027867

I like this one because it's slow enough for me to actually read

>>34045520
>20 British, Dutch, and American prisoners of war killed in Hiroshima bombing:

>>34042097
There are limited circumstances where reprisals are legal. I suspect that this was not one of those circumstances.

If the Germans had limited themselves to executing any partisans they'd captured, that would have been fine. The partisans were illegal combatants, which we tend to overlook because they were on our side.

>>34046178
Well, I disagree, but my point was that just because there's a law doesn't mean that your actions are justified

>>34042405
>that doesn't however make them just

But it does. When the Axis powers bombed civilians, that became an option for all parties to the war. They just had to be able to legally defend it. The Allies were better at justifying their actions than the Axis.

>>34045376
dresden wasnt a war crime. it was fully justified. germans give it a rest please. you ruined europe so many times and yet your still at it. why??? what is wrong with you people???

>>34046178
>The partisans were illegal combatants, which we tend to overlook because they were on our side.
It's also overlooked because the Germans were invaders and were not above killing civilians in their advances.
Can anyone fault the civilians for putting up resistance? Especially when peaceful surrender would still mean imprisonment and death for part of the population?

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>>34046286
>Can anyone fault the civilians for putting up resistance?
Nobody Faults the Civilians for resisting, besides the neo-nazis and wehraboo.

>>34046230
>just because there's a law doesn't mean that your actions are justified

That's the point of having laws- to justify your actions.

>>34046640
Yes, that's what laws are supposed to do, that doesn't mean they're always objectively right, or are you denying that mass murders are false regardless of the reason?

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>>34032763
Magnificent

>>34032763
In for the kill!

>>34046286
>Can anyone fault the civilians for putting up resistance?

No. I would have probably done the same thing, if I were in their shoes. The current law of war has a clause regarding civilians resisting a fast-moving invader, I don't think it would have applied at the time.

If the invaders routinely ignore the laws of war, it would be stupid for the resistance to abide by those laws.

>>34046663
>are you denying that mass murders are false regardless of the reason?

What do you mean by this. Rephrase, pls.

Regarding your other point, no law is objectively right. They're drafted, legislated, and interpreted from a subjective standpoint. You're trying to argue objectivity from a subjective standpoint.

>>34046833
god i hate that fucking song

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>>34015917
Dresden ain't shit compared to America's greatest achievement under Curtis Lemay!

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>>34045425
Hiroshima is a fucking pindrop compared to the amount the Japanese killed fucker.

>>34025498
Do it again Bomber Harris

>>34026062
Sleep tight bomber.

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34015917
Considering that Germany is hell bent on destroying European culture with an irresponsible immigration policy, I'd say that his only problem was running out of krauts to bomb.

>>34049493
Modern Germany is a US puppet state and all of europe is willingly cucked, looking for a scapegoat is a sign of weakness.

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>>34025498
Do it again Bomber Harris

>>34016371
Yet the US takes pride in Americanizing the world all the while burning civilizations to the ground. But I guess its okay when they do it
>No burger left unturned

>>34049584
The US tried to remain neutral but people kept poking the hornets nest.
Now it won't go back to sleep because it knows it will eventually be poked again. Not to forget that many people in the past century have asked the US to help them.

>>34049527
Germany has always been hellbent on destroying Europe.

>>34047502
What I was trying to say is that not every law is right, and I believe that every normal human should know that when there's a law that demands you to commit massacres on the civilian population. Just because there was a law is in my opinion no excuse for any type of warcrime, possibly with the exception if the perpetrators were threatened to be killed if they didn't follow the orders.

>>34049679
https://youtu.be/821R0lGUL6A?t=2m28s

>>34025498
Tue es wieder, Bomber Harris!

>>34019492
Sorry, late to this thread, but what?

Park and Harris?

You mean Leigh-Mallory, right?

>>34046277
Only you can be so fucking stupid to think everyone who has a problem with Dresden is from Germany. It has nothing to do with sides or who did what in WWII.
Being critical about your own government is what ensures the existence of liberty.
Don't call yourself a patriot. You are one of those idiots that thinks the government is always right, even when they take away your rights.

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>>34048385
>911 is a fucking pindrop compared to the amount the USA killed in the middle east fucker.

>>34026062
sleep tight bomber

>>34046267
You know, I understand that the Allies wanted to retaliate, and I even understand that some would believe it was the right thing to do. My opinion however is that you cannot hold the civilian population responsible for the actions of the government/ the military, for they didn't commit these actions. The fucked up thing about WW2 was that very often german war criminals got away without charges and even had official positions in the later FRG whereas the german civilians were firebombed to death and hundreds of thousands of regular soldiers died in soviet war captivity.

>>34046277
It doesn't matter what parts of the armed forces of a country did elsewhere, under no circumstances can you claim that the intentional firebombing of civilians is not a war crime. The german war criminals (and those of any other nation) should have been hold responsible, but very often they got away with what they did.

The v weapons were dog shit. V1 needed long launch sleds and were too easy to shoot down.
The v2s were easier to conceal at launch but were too costly.
Unguided munitions spunked into the big blue sky by desperate nazi faggots

>>34032937
> accurate
If you consider hitting a target the size of London from three hundred miles away accurate.

>>34035397
Source?

>>34049679
I thought they where mostly hell bent on destroying themselves?

They could have 'possibly' held onto a very large chunk of Europe even after picking a fight with the commonwealth and americans. But then...
>"Hold my beer, watch this"
Some fucking dumb cunt decides to go poke the bear, in the arse and its all over.

>>34026564
>themselves

The vitriol doesn't originate with Germans themselves.

>>34051709
Who cares they were all muslims

>>34052875
Then where?

>>34049584
Oh I see you would prefer a Nazi or Communist world huh?

>>34052075
good job cucks like you werent around during ww2 we would have just bent over and taken it.

liberal idiot, go hug a muslim

>>34051704
situation of total war. bombing city used as mustering point. has civilians in it too. boo hoo who gives a shit. total war you twat.

you are one of those idiots who excuses terrorists no doubt. lerts be nice to them they wont do it again. liberal moron. muh warcrime. it was not and will never be a warcrime. unless you want to be revisionist and call ebery bombing raid ever carried out as a war crime.

bomber harris do it again. (and take some of these non german 5th columnists out at the same time)

>>34052058
the german civilians who turned a blind eye to the holocaust and who fully supported the expansionist policies of hitler before they started getting beat...yeah innocemt

>>34052075
ACKTUALLY, if every major power engaged in a conflict does something, and there is no precedent in either formal or informal international law for prosecution, it is considered legal under the laws and customs of war.

It's the same reason no Germans got prosecuted for the Blitz.

>>34052193
implying the US and commonwealth wouldnt have EVENTUALLY been able to beat germany without the reds...ok then...

>>34055125
I'm picturing it going like this.

>US still beats G*rms to the Manhattan Project because they didn't really need continental Europe for any of it
>German military capabilities aren't diminished by combat with the Red Army or by the Reds physically pushing the Germans out of territory with useful shit in it
>when the US drops the bomb, Hitler spergs out and starts attacking Britain with nerve gas
>every nuclear delivery is a clusterfuck with jet fighters on both sides, hundreds of decoy bombers, and flak everywhere
>the US eventually wins, but not before the majority of the population of continental Europe is killed
>US may eventually be able to assassinate Hitler and other senior leaders with nuclear blasts, if not, they just decapitate the entire countries civil service by turning all of the central bureaucracies into radioactive dust
>the US still wins in the Pacific front, because they're just better at naval combat and the European theater barely diverts USN resources
>Japan either surrenders, or gets blockaded into North Korea tier famine because the US is shipping every warhead they have to the Atlantic theater

>>34055125
I didn't imply that at all.
If the commies didn't come into the theatre, (Hitler not attacking them) the US-Commonwealth could have probably taken back France, beaten Italy into not wanting to play any more and most of the ME-North African area was already pacified enough to not be much of a threat.
Hard to say how much of the Scandi countries would have been liberated much past Norway, middle of Europe and Balkans would have been extremely hard to get them out of though.

Once Japs where done with though, talking about a VERY large force available to the Allied powers and probably as >>34055187 puts it, you're gunna get lit up because we're sick of your shit

What is your ideal economic/social policy
http://www.strawpoll.me/13034542/r

>>34055121

Well, there is a bit of that, but it was mostly winners justice. If summary executions of non-combatants was a war-crime for the Nazis, Stalin and friends should have hung. I know the USSR's responsibility for Katyn was concealed, but that was especially monstrous, as it happened during "peace".

>>34055056
I am aware that in times of war collateral damage cannot always be avoided. However, intentionally bombing civilians is neither beneficial for the war effort nor does it revive the victims of previous atrocities. I figure you would be totally ok with your decrepit aunt suffocating in a basement for she couldn't make it to an air shelter, which is what my grandmother told me once. Also, please explain how not wanting civilians to be cooked alive in the Elbe when they thaught it would rescue them from the fire in Dresden somehow makes me a cuck and an apologist for Islam...

>>34055089
Firstly, the majority of German civilians didn't support war crimes and most didn't know about the extent of the killings. Also, I don't think that support for a war among civilians justifies them being firebombed. I don't think that the support of the population played a major role as critics among the civilians were turned in by so called Blockwarts in every neighborhood and the civilians couldn't have revolted, as nearly every fighting-aged man was conscripted.

>>34055500

So, what do you do in total war? You are not fighting your enemy's standing army, you are fighting the number of men reaching fighting age annually, you are fighting their industrial centres (cities), you are fighting those who equip & supply the armies (workers). There are two simple facts in total war: If you don't do what you can to prevent your enemy raising & equipping new armies you are killing your own troops who must fight them, and if your enemy refuses to surrender despite having clearly lost the war more than year earlier, then the winner has a responsibility for minimising their own losses in concluding the war.

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>>34055616
bombing industry is one thing, bombing civilians to kill young boys is a warcrime, no matter what how you try to justify it. By the way, I'm sure those thausands of children who were killed in february 45 would have totally put up fanatical resistance had they been spared.

>>34055616
>>34055776
and yes, you are fighting the enemies army, when you attack civilians it is simply murdering. Same exact thing the Luftwaffe did in Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, Guernica and so forth

>>34055599
Firstly, the majority of German civilians didn't support war crimes and most didn't know about the extent of the killings

you carry on believing that...

>>34055893
any source?

>>34055796
wrong. dresden was a mustering point. sow the wind. the majority of germans were complicit in the nazi crimes they got what they deserved.

He read to much douhet.

>>34055909
how about you source that they didnt....

lets just ignore whats going on right in front of us shall we?

>>34055776
not my proudest fap

>>34055796
The US actually tried pinpoint bombing to minimize civilian casualties.

The Norden bombsight cost as much as the Manhattan project, but the US figured it would be worth it so that they could use air power without killing women and children.

As it turns out, in order to do pinpoint bombing with WW2 technology, you need to fly during daylight, in clear weather, at a constant speed, without turning.

As it turns out, if you actually do all of that, you're going to fucking die, because of flak.

Saturation bombing was the only way to conduct strategic air warfare with 1940s era technology. Thank god for Paveways.

>>34055776

total war. retard

>>34055935
thank god for bomber harris.

>>34055928
I've got my grandmother and grandfather who told me they didn't know about killings, although they were very young in the war. My grandma's brothers who faught in the east (Wehrmacht, not SS) told her about sseing some german burning a cigarette on some Ukrainian. I was honestly surprised they talked about something that miniscule, but then again I figure they wouldn't tell their 10 yo sister about massacres. I refuse to believe my grandmother lied, and even assuming that a majority of Germans supported the warcrimes, I don't think that justifies firebombing them. (what I have now probably stated a dozen times)

>>34055990
It might be morally justified in that it shortened the war, and thus ended German war crimes.

It's hard to have an industrialized economy when the canal locks and railroad marshalling yards keep getting bombed.

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>>34055912
since they elected governments that bombed the middle east, a majority of Americans supported collateral dama- i mean war crimes. They got what they deserved. Agreed?

>>34056011
again, I agree about bombing the industries, but the RAF and USAAF specifically targeted densely populated city centres. The RAF used shock mines to burst open the windows of medieval wooden city centres and then dropped firebombs. They planned to incite firestorms in populated areas.

>>34055990
i think it does. as if the guilty will admit their guilt...

shame they didnt get crisped too

>>34056012
oh wait so this was a situation of formal war was it? moron

>>34055935
what I heard was that Americans bombed during daylight and Brits at night. In terms of being gentle towards the germans it seems to have been Americans>Brits>French>Soviets

>>34056044
That's the most efficient way to target industry.

Precision bombing was impractical, so getting the entire city was the most efficient way to disrupt industry.

Also, in the case of Dresden, it was worried that German forces could hole up and delay the Red Army.

>>34056077
people were still bombed.
>>34056071
no need to attack my family, also ethincity doesn't make you accountable for the actions of your countrymen, but I'm sure you believe every single German voted for Hitler - oh wait - the NSDAP didn't even get an absolute majority in 1933, long before their terror started. They were especially unpopular in catholic southern germany, which is were my family comes from...

>>34056080
This was the situation at the beginning of the war.

As the war went on, the losses from daylight precision bombing raids became unsustainable, and the USAAF had to switch to nighttime bombing or else run out of crews.

The RAF, naturally, went "I told you so"

Dresden was a USAAF/RAF collaboration.

>>34056104
I'm not sure the heavy industry needed to produce war material was located in city centres, and I know at least of the RAF that they specifically targeted civilians. Also, what difference does a cities population make in terms of resistance to the Soviet advance?

>>34056111
haha people were still bombed. using crap example to try to justify your point. it wasnt war. it still isnt so no its not justified. if the west declares war against the mudslimes then yes these acts are part of that. until then they are simply terrorism.

germans have tried to ruin europe 3 times..now they arefinally succeeding. hope ur proud as your mum, sister, wife gets raped by a mudslime

>>34056156
proof?

>>34056189
your'e right that was a shit example. But even war does in my opinion not justify targeting non combatants, i already stated that often enough. On that "hahah mudslims" issue, no, most germans do not support that (unfortunately most still somehow vote Merkel), and the decision to let in millions of migrants was made without any democratic election.. just as the decision to start ww2... or ww1... also you can stop insulting my family

>>34056202
>The purpose of the area bombardment of cities was laid out in a British Air Staff paper, dated 23 September 1941:

The ultimate aim of an attack on a town area is to break the morale of the population which occupies it. To ensure this, we must achieve two things: first, we must make the town physically uninhabitable and, secondly, we must make the people conscious of constant personal danger. The immediate aim, is therefore, twofold, namely, to produce (i) destruction and (ii) fear of death.[148]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II#The_British_later_in_the_war

>again, I'm not implying the actions of the German military weren't much worse, but I still think allied bombing of civilians was wrong.

>>34015917
Offered Peerage, turns it down. WTF?

>>34049540
Two Bombs WERE NOT Enough!!!!!!!!!!

>>34056311
surprising nobody used chem or bioweapons
those would depopulate a town or city fast, especially after the hospitals have ceased to exist and emergency services can't get anywhere fast

>>34056650
Well, that would have inevitably led to retaliation with biogical or chemical weapons... I think the japanese used both on some occasions in china

>>34019281
>implying you can afford having judgements and moral questionning in a conflict where the term total war was coined.

The germans got what was coming to them, after trying to blitz great britain, their luck for surrendering early otherwise they'd get fucking nuked.

>>34016370
Today isn't opposite day.

>>34051704
There was literally nothing wrong with Dresden. It's war. Bad stuff happens in war. Don't want your cities burnt? Don't go to war.

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>>34026062
sleep tight bomber
>>34032763
you just gave a hearty chuckle.

>>34050315
>Just because there was a law is in my opinion no excuse for any type of warcrime.

What defines warcrimes? Laws. You keep going on about warcrimes, when they were not de facto warcrimes. You might want to consider not using that word anymore until you put a lot more thought into it.

We get it. Germans died because people were mean to them. Get over it. There's nothing you can do about it. It's done.

>>34049540
Two bombs were not enough!

>>34056012
>Bombings during WW2: Done during an ongoing war to destroy industrial capacity, using marked military aircraft equipped with the mosr accurate tools at the time, and where those being bombed had air defenses in the form of flak and fighters.
>9/11: Attack during peacetime against civilians, using hijacked civilian aircraft, and against targets with no defense (With the exception maybe being the Pentagon).
There's a huge difference and if you can't see it then perhaps you should just stop posting and go back to eating out of your Elmer's bottle.

>>34056115

Except the USAAF never ran a night time raid until the Operation Meeting House in March 1945... Over Tokyo.

This is only tangientially related but I thought it was cute
https://youtu.be/ltVtnCzg9xw?t=25m
at 25 minutes is where you wanna go but the rest of it is great as well
Honestly even though I've been to America, I just can't comrehend the idea of our countries being so different barely 60 odd years ago that you'd need instructions on how to behave

>>34035823
Trooth.
I like you. Let's fuck.

>>34055616
Ugly, but true. Nice to see another realist.

>>34055776
I wish you were right, but you're not. Tags like you are what's allowing the islamification of our fine western civilization.

>>34062146
how the fuck is my stance on bombing civilians related to the islamisation of europe? i never voted for the politicians that allow that to happen, i never will.. just because i'm not edgy enough to consider not bombing civilians as a sign of weakness doesn't mean that i wouldn't defend myself in case of need

>>34062163
>how the fuck is my stance on bombing civilians related to the islamisation of europe?

Avoiding hard decisions by taking soft options.

Again, I still, genuinely wish you were right.

>>34062289
So you think bombing populated areas was necessary to win the war?

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>>34025498
Do it again Bomber Harris

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>>34062317
Everything was necessary. You seem to forget a few things regarding lack of information at the time, and inability to calculate the perfect strategy in the absence of clarity. Also, British (fuck... any European) desparation was a real thing.

Both populations were subject to real, and propaganda bolstered fear.

Desparation solutions flew without too much scrutiny. I don't think we in the current day of comfort can judge those times with any real authority.

>>34062385
You do know that every side had spies, don't you? Also I don't see how propaganda aimed at the civilians could have influenced the militarys decisions. You can believe what you wan't but reviewed today the allied bombing campaigns killed some 500,000 german civilians, the bombing could have been directed more at the war industry, which was not impacted as hard as it could have been, and support for the war generally rose after bombing raids, as the nazi propaganda was then able to claim that the allies were aiming to destroy the german people.

>>34062370
Ashes for the Anglo

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>>34062317
The Germans apparently did, repeatedly bombing residential areas of Coventry. Pic related, Coventry Cathedral after the raid of 14 November 1940.

Now tell me, how exactly is a cathedral a legitimate target? And don't give me that bullshit about collateral damage. The cathedral was hit repeatedly over the course of the raid, which lasted for around 11 hours.

Explain yourselves, Naziboos

>>34062466
>but reviewed today the allied bombing campaigns killed some 500,000 german civilians,

So? The Blitz killed 43,000 in London, over the course of around 8 months.

What's your point? That war kills civilians? We know, thank you.

Or is it more along the lines of; Germans got killed, that's totally not fair?

China would like to have a word with you, regarding your ally.

>>34056715
Assuming the Germans could even hit GB by mid '43...

>>34062975

>Explain yourselves, Naziboos

They cant. Even if they do, it will allways involve putting the blame on the Jews like >>34019258 states.

>>34062975
I think you didn't read my previous posts, I never tried to excuse german war crimes, which the bombing of coventry undoubtetly accounts for, but what I said is that in my opionion these terror bombings were no excuse for doing the same in Germany..

>>34063018

V1 & V2 weapons. Though they weren't that effective using explosives, they probably could have carried a decent G-series nerve agent payload.

>>34044466
That's some spicy digits

>>34063228
read >>34063374, pointing out allied war crimes doesn't make you a holocaust denier or naziboo... unless you go full retard like this >>34019258

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>>34063018
The Luftwaffe flew reconnaisance missions over GB as late as march 1945 (with pic related). As you don't need large amounts of material for an attack with biological WMD a retaliation strike would have surely been possible.

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>>34015917

>>34063374
And you have obviously not been reading my previous posts. First of all, Coventry wasn't a war crime. Neither was Dresden. You keep chanting the war crime mantra while clearly having no idea what constitutes a war crime.

Just because something hurts your feelings doesn't make it a war crime.

>>34045544
i cri evrytiem

>>34063472
did you know the allies wanted to try Göring for the Blitz in Nuremberg but didn't because of their bombing campaign? Maybe these bombings aren't war crimes in a legal sense but I still think that it's not normal combat kills when you specifically target unarmed civilians

>>34062370
Ashes for the Anglo

>>34049540
Two bombs were not enough

>>34055187

You also read Festung Europa, I take it?

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>>34032763
>i am not a good person

dankeschon kameraden

>>34063010
as i've stated several times already, I'm not downplaying the victims of any participant of the war, certainly not the victims of German warfare, but no, you don't firebomb inner-city neighborhoods unintentionally in a normal war, or would you say that the bombing of rotterdam, coventry or guernica was also just regular war?

>>34063490
>it's not normal combat kills when you specifically target unarmed civilians

Not, it's not. It is, however, a part of warfare. Throughout the history of warfare, civilians have borne the brunt of the fighting. Either as specific targets (economic warfare), or as a byproduct of military activities in a given area (collateral damage).

The laws of war evolved as a way of trying to ease the burden of warfare on non-involved parties. But civilians still get killed due to warfighting activities.

>>34056311
using wikipedia as a source...

>>34063772
an eye for an eye. moron

>>34064222
you can appply that concept in a fight between two people, not in a war between nations

>>34064171
give me a better source

>>34064327
why on earth not?

>>34064336
uses spurious source to quote dubious claims, "give me better a source"

hmm doesnt really work like that. your making the spurious claims the onus is on you to provide a reliable valid source.

>>34064360
again, because you cannot hold civilians accountable for the actions of a government/ the military just for being members of the same nation
>>34064372
i wouldn't call wikipedia spurious, but that could be said about any source. Are you trying to deny that the RAFs intention was to target the population?

Nukes weren't built in time for the Hun BBQ

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>>34026062
>No enemy plane will fly over the reich territory

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>>34030229
>somebody saved my post from /his/

>>34063772
>would you say that the bombing of rotterdam, coventry or guernica was also just regular war?

Actually, they were. They were conducted as military operations, with specific objectives.

War isn't a nice thing, where honorable men test their skill against each other in genteel combat. It's an ugly, brutal business, best finished quickly and decisively. Burning civilians to death in their own homes may wind up being part of that.

>>34064387
>you cannot hold civilians accountable for the actions of a government/ the military just for being members of the same nation

Bullshit. That government is there to serve and represent that civil population, just as that military is there to protect them and project force on their behalf.

Civil population is always responsible for the actions of their government.

>>34064584
The dutch already surrendered, rotterdam was bombed as a sign of strenght. You don't fight an enemy that already gave up. Just because "war isnt honorable" doesnt mean that you have to systematically kill civilians

>>34064620
In a dictatorship, seriously?

>>34064626
Rotterdam was bombed on 14 May 1940. The Dutch surrendered on 15 May.

However there was a ceasefire in effect at the time of the bombing, meaning the Germans committed the warcrime of perfidy. If it was on the books at the time.

>>34064636
Yes, seriously. If they were unwilling to commit to the cost of changing their government, then they were implicitly willing to accept the consequences of the actions of that government.

>>34065561
Are you therefore to be hold responsible for everything your government does wrong, since you don't change it?