Scrapheap Challenge

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>>34006253
>Super Sabre
>Good
good god no.

>>34006808

So what would you pick? There's not a vast amount.

F117 with some kind of bodge job A2A loadout?

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>>34006253
Well it's pretty obvious

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>>34006253
Assuming that prototypes don't count, only fleet service, I'd vote for the F-8 Crusader. Good performance, good armament, good service record.

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>>34006878
Scratch that- I'll take the Mitsubishi F-1.

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>>34006932
>The Viggen has also been retired
Thanks for the thread OP, I was beginning to forget stuff.

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>>34006955
Also, other than some Kfirs, no one operates Mirages any more.

Now that India has retired theirs, isn't the MiG-25 completely out of service?

>>34006808
To be fair, the F-100 was a pretty good CAS aircraft in Vietnam.

>>34006253
Define: "good". You know the old joke about the Lightning, right?

Q: When does a Lightning go fuel critical?
A: As soon as the engines are turned on.

>>34006955
>Thanks for the thread OP, I was beginning to forget stuff.

You're welcome, its quite tricky. If you want to go full autism then try and arm it with retired weapons.

Kinematically speaking i dont think anything retired beats the Lightning, Duel ADEN cannons are still a potent weapon today and Red Top was al all aspect IR missile making it superior to most of it's counterparts.

>>34007001
Algeria and Syria use it apparently.

>>34007001
no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#Operators

>>34007033
I think Mirage 3s with DEFAs and Shafrir 3's will have your ass.
Also, the Viggen had a 30mm Oerlikon KCA, and 6 hardpoints for AMRAAMs and late sidewinders.
So your ass is had, thanks to the eternal Swede retiring a perfectly good plane.

>>34007024
You can't hear the mean things people day when you can climb at 20,000ft/min and intercept U2's on ballistic climbs to 80k+

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>Any choice other than one that plows you into the ground at mach 2

>>34007053
Mirage is still in service, but Viggen is probably the best yet, but i'd like to see it against an Su-15

>>34007067
Theres like half a dozen countries that still use F104.

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>>34007073
>Mirages
I just checked, damn Pakistan ruining my fun.
The Su-15 is Sanic fast, but not maneuverable enough to shoot down an Ikea fighter, particularly at low altitude, where it lacks LD/SD.
Also, its missiles a shit compared to AMRAAMs for fighter-sized targets.

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>>34007077
wow didn't realise the lawndart was still in service anywhere, thought Italy was the last to get rid of them?

>>34007106
I'm not sure if AMRAAMS are kosher, but then again what else could it use? Most variants of AMRAAM and Sidewinder are in service somewhere?

>>34007077
>>34007113
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter#Operators

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Tornado F3

Retired by the RAF in 2006 (the less well equipped ADV has also been retired by other nations).

F3 was not just a Tornado with a different mission, it had various structural changes.

The 27mm Mauser is still in service but the Skyflash missile is probably the best BVR missile that is not in service.

>>34007123
Sparrows, Skyflash AKA RAF Sparrow, Lima Sidewinders (I think Mikes are in active service), and I'm pretty sure that the AIM-120A AMRAAM is out of service so it's fair game.

>>34007156
Skyflash is semiactive as opposed to AIM-120A AMRAAM ( which I belive has been entirely superseded by the C and D models), but if OP rules the airframe kosher I believe you won.

My friend has an English Electric lightning in his garden. It's a beautiful piece of engineering but fuck me did it drink fuel.

An ugly beautiful plane

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does it have to be a jet? fuck the movement to buy super tucanos, just build more skyraiders!

>>34007529
ywn us a Skyraider to shoot down to Chink planes in the 50's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Cathay_Pacific_Douglas_DC-4_shootdown

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>>34007529
The new attack aircraft will be the Textron AirLand Scorpion.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/at-6-scorpion-invited-to-challenge-a-29-for-usaf-de-437271/

>>34007067
I live near an airport and I swear someone has one of these and flies it regularly. Looks pretty neat.

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>>34006861
Well just looking at its contemporaries within the Century Series, just about everything else was better than it, although usually they were more specialized for certain roles. The F-105 was a far better strike platform, the F-101 was a better long-ranged interceptor and reconnaissance aircraft, and the F-106 (and arguably even the F-102) was a better fighter.

Hell, even the Starfighter, with its shit reputation, was arguably a far better fighter all-around than the F-100.

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>>34007007
Yes, but so was literally everything else we used. The F-100 was pretty unspectacular all around, and it had plenty of flaws in the design. It's pretty much the American analog to the MiG-19 - a flawed first-generation supersonic fighter.

>>34006983
The Mirage 2000 is still in service with 8 nations including France, Greece, Egypt and Taiwan.

>>34007635
>will be
That's a very dangerous term to use when it comes to US procurement plans.
I hope you're right though.

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IF we can consider non-fighters, then....

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Mirage III

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>>34008921
>No radar
>no places to mount ofcensive weapons
>shit visibility
>bomber tier turn performance
>hemmorages fuel unless going supersonic

Yeah, sure it'd be a great fighter.

Bamp

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>>34006253

I would take the Su-37 tech demonstrator.

>no longer in service, Russian Federation decides to take some of the useful features and install them on Su-30s and -35s

>would still make a powerful fighter even if some of the other features were completely useless

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Easily an L-39.

>its cheap as a motherfucker. There was one sitting decrepit at the airport I used to live on
>they're fast as fuck, pretty sure they're mach rated
>you could probably mount hard points on them easy as fuck
>they're slav shit

They only con is that everything on them is in Russian

>>34007635
Great looking plane, I see the prototype flying just about everyday.

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I know it's more multi-role but the F-111 could go fighting against other planes

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>>34012254

fwiw The Navy was going to use it as a missile truck, but it just couldn't work on a carrier.

In all it would still be good as an interceptor, with its long range, high speed, room for a big powerful radar, an good payload.

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god damn Iranians ruining my fun

>>34012299
The general design of the F-111B inspired the F-14 and the radar and AIM-54 designed for the F-111 also carried over onto the Tomcat.
So there's also that. As well as being a good aircraft in its own right the Aardvark also helped one of the best naval fighter designs ever become a thing.

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>>34006253
>F-111
Tornado ADV, if that counts (Of course Strike Fighter and Recon Tornados are still in service)

Sea Harrier, or British Harrier II (If that counts, American built harriers are still in service)

All of those can mount AMRAAMs, are would be able to hold their own against other 4th gen fighters.

If you don't count those you'd be forced to go to really old shit like the EE lightning or the Delta Dart.

There aren't a lot of fighters modern enough to mount BVR missiles that are no longer in service.

>>34012352
>>34012299
>>34012527

My Flight Phys professor flew F-111s, and talked about them all the time. He also told us about the ejectable two man cockpit, and how it was a bitch in the water and wouldn't float, or something like that

>>34006861
The Thud would be my choice. Pretty sure theres a bunch of people still flying Skyhawks, otherwise it'd be Skyhawks.

>>34006983
U.S. Military contracts kfirs.

>>34013261
>Pretty sure theres a bunch of people still flying Skyhawks, otherwise it'd be Skyhawks.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk#Operators
>Argies
>Brazil
>Singapore
yea, pretty much nobody operates them then

>>34013402
with any luck we will stop operating them soon and get f-16's

>>34013760
My first thought too but the viggen probably beats it

this was a nice thread.

Discussion is so rare

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>>34008921
>tfw you will never see YF-12's scrambled at full afterburner to intercept the bomber hordes

>>34009801
see >>34014826

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On a similar note, what rifle/MG/SMG/pistol would /k/ equip a small army with, if the same restrictions are imposed?

Obviously has to be ex-military, no civilian market firearms.

>>34011933
They're still in use in Syria. One was downed a few weeks ago I think. They're definetly doing a good job at ground pounding hajijs there

>>34014910
Well, I guess that depends a lot on how you define "in service". African, arab, some Asian nations use pretty much anything they can get their hands on.

When you're out of Crusaders, you're out of fighters.

>every ancient soviet and chink jet fighter is still in use by the norks

>>34015115
>>34014910

In service with a 1st-world military, to be specific.

I'd say the F14 but fortunately they stone faggots in Iran

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The Mirage 4000 was too good for this world!

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WE CHOSE THE WRONG PLANE

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>>34006253
YAK-25 A CUTE

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The only correct answer is the F14.

>>34015445
in service with iran

>>34015199
With that restriction in place, the AK-12 is a pretty good contender I would say

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>>34007073
A recon Viggen and a Su-15 did have a bit of a face off over the baltic sea once. It ended with the Viggen outskilling the Su-15 into the sea.

Does it have to be completely retired, or does it count if its still around only as a trainer aircraft?

>>34015366
Arguably true given that we only wound up building a small number of F-22s and then shut down the production lines.

If we were going to do that, we should have just gone with the 23 instead. Superior aircraft in almost every sense, just more expensive.

>>34015173
>in use
They have them but I doubt they can afford to use them.

F-14 (Iran's 10 rusty buckets don't count)

F-117

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Sea Vixen of course.

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Su-15, Cold War af.