this is the M3A1 Grease Gun, say something nice to it!

what a pos

Kills gooks nice and dead

Having so shit smg cost lives in combat.

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It's cute

>>34004856
Fires so slow I can aim while getting dragged

it makes limeys and wehraboos jealous because of how much better it was than their crappy subguns.

Cheapest whore on the block

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>>34004856
The fixed the fragility of the charging handle from the M3 in the M3A1 by fucking removing it and just cutting a big divot in the bolt that you stick your finger into and charge that way.

The only nice thing is the OSS version which is cool as fuck.

>>34004856
What the fuck am I looking at?

>>34005014
A bargain basement Tommy gun that we fought most of WW2 with. Basically it's the burger Sten gun in .45 ACP.

>>34004976
Neat idea. Hard to do when THE BOLT IS FUCKING BURNING HOT after firing.

It's a nice, simple design.

No horizontal mag though. Horizontal mags on WW2 subguns are aesthetic as fuck.

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>>34004856
It's an american classic.

I want one.

>>34005034
To be fair, the bolt is the size of a fucking coke can (hyperbole, but it's still fuckhuge), and the divot is a good bit away from the actual bolt face, so there shouldn't be TOO much heat transfer.

Still retarded. I don't see how that could have ever been considered a reasonable solution.

Apparently it worked fairly well because the M3A1 was produced in larger numbers than the M3 and they served up to and including Desert Storm (some say OIF, but that seems incredulous).

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>>34005066
>>34005034
Here's the video Ian did on the M3 and M3A1 (the link starts at the explanation of the removal of the charging handle):

https://youtu.be/6ivr4QdhVtU?t=12m20s

The first time I watched it I was honestly surprised he didn't mention the viability of using the cutout .

>>34005052
remove honk

I support this.

>>34005027
...We really were scraping the bottom of the barrel, weren't we? El cheapo infantry weapons, el cheapo tanks with failguns attempting to punch outside their weight limit, crappy fighters, shitty torpedo bombers, the historically most fucked up torpedo ever...

>>34005090
Neat, thanks. I haven't had a chance to actually fire an M3A1. Are there any other subguns with such a fuckhueg bolt?

>>34004856
It's very pleasant to listen to.

>>34005034
Dad used one in Vietnam, said it was open bolt, so you didn't really have to stick your fingers in their too often

>>34005102
I couldn't say, off the top of my head. But with open bolt sub-guns, the way the gun allows for pressure in the chamber to lower before the bolt starts moving is generally by the weight of the bolt and the strength of the spring (the same could be said for blowback pistols, but with the slide instead of a bolt).

So the larger the cartridge gets, the stronger the recoil spring gets and/or the larger and heavier the bolt gets.

Even 9mm blowback SMGs like the Sten have fairly large bolts.

And the largeness of the bolt is just mass, the firing pins are almost always fixed and there are either minimal or no safety features included in the bolt.

>>34005153
Yeah, I would imagine manipulating the bolt could be minimized if you trained with it and knew what you were doing, but I just don't like the idea of it.

As I mentioned earlier, they obviously worked well enough because of the numbers they produced and the length of their service, I just can't believe they decided to do what they did.

>>34005153
>open bolt
Oh I guess it really isn't a problem then.

Honestly i'm fairly sure that the cutout didn't even get too hot since it's so far away from the bolt face and the bolt doesn't ever even come in contact with the barrel which is the main component that actually heats up.

>>34004856
Literally the best SMG of WW2, it's compact, easy to maintain, well protected from the elements with the safety engaged, and most importantly extremely cheap to produce.

Like the only actual flaw it has is that it uses single feed magazines but that could be solved by just cutting the bolt a bit differently to facilitate double stack double feed mags.

Also it's probably the only WW2 SMG or automatic firearm for that matter that would pass the inrange mud test.

>>34005248
>open bolt
probably not

>>34004856
slow rate of fire makes very accurate

>>34005266
Basically every WW2 SMG was open bolt you twat.

>>34005266
Probably not what?

>>34005274
Sorry, now I get the context okay, fine don't bother with this post.

>>34005276
probably not pass the mud test, sry for not being clear.

Looks very cool desu

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>>34005280
Look at this, where's the mud going to get into the mechanism from?

>>34005287
well soldiers don't carry it like that do they? Certainly not in the WW2 era of "lol wtf is gun safety"

>>34005298
You think the soldiers couldn't figure out "Hey, if we keep the dust cover closed, mud won't get in it."?

Daily reminder that these type of guns will make a return if there ever is another big war. There simply isn't enough regular guns to go around or enough time to arm everyone.

>>34005298
Of course they did buddy, i mean Stens were literally carried with the bolt closed so that shit wouldn't get into the chamber even though it was very dangerous having a full mag and the bolt closed.

Cheap to make, easier to control, and looks slick.
I'll go sit in the corner now.

>>34005304
>in a world where AR's cost 500 bucks a piece even in the motherfucking civilian market someone will actually make new open bolt stamped sheet metal guns for military use
Yeah nah fuck off with that.

>>34005027
>Basically it's the burger Sten gun in .45 ACP.
Except that grease gun is better. It might look like shit but it makes sense

>>34005310
He's not wrong.

ARs can be made for 100 a pop, but this baby is sub 10usd tier even with modern prices.

its just efficient.

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>>34004856
id rather have a Sten

>>34005328
There's literally 0 reasons to rather have a Sten.

>>34005310
>>in a world where AR's cost 500 bucks a piece even in the motherfucking civilian market someone will actually make new open bolt stamped sheet metal guns for military use
It isn't about price, its about how many you can produce in a short period of time. Also i meant simple guns, not necessarily stamped sheet metal. You just send the real guns of to the front and then the people in the back get a SMG or some other piece of shit that looks like the voksturmgewher but with an STANAG magazine

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>>34005099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship#Construction
mass production my dude
means losses in the field can be met or exceeded by production

>>34005310
>>34005333
Also even if they are cheap they obviously won't look as crude as the mass produced shit from ww2. They would probably use some molded polymer to make it look tacticool so the cod kids won't sperg out about being given a gun that looks ugly as sin.

But if they are just going to guard some fuel depot it doesn't really matter what they have.

>>34005298

> lol wtf is gun safety

kys

You really think they weren't consious shit getting into mechanism caused jam and a jammed gun meant their death?

>>34005315
>ARs can be made for 100 a pop
No they fucking can't. You may have been mislead by recent PSA deals into thinking that retailers just pull their price structure out of a fucking hat, but honestly the ~$500 AR is probably being sold at a near-loss for some of these retailers because they panic-stocked for a Hillary win. Given the current cost of materials and labor, ~$400-500 is the lowest we'll see ARs, even wholesale. Gov't rifles are purchased for a good deal more because they're not buying PSA platforms built on shitty hybrid polymer lowers.

>>34005331

It shoots a better round.

>>34005099
Not really. A ton of our equipment was top notch. That includes the Sherman. Fighters were good. Torpedo bombers were in the process of being replaced when the war started, and the new one, the Avenger, was top tier.

>>34005298
>well soldiers don't carry it like that do they? Certainly not in the WW2 era of "lol wtf is gun safety"
Ofc they fucking did, maybe the guy on point patrolling Okinawa carried it open but then he had some guys that could back him up if some jungle creature tried to get into his gun.
>>34005328
Then you are retarded

Tommy > Mp40 > ppsh >grease gun >>>> sten

>>34005382
>Tommy
Tommy was nothing more but a needlessly heavy and expensive shit gun.

>>34005388
However, end result was good. Very controllable recoil, given the weight.

>>34005382
PPS > Tommy > MP40 > PPSh > Grease gun >>> Sten

>>34005388
Well if i am not paying for it i want it.

Why was it shit though? 11 pounds isn't that heavy and it helps with the recoil anyway

>>34004856
>Grease gun

>isn't a 1970's high school drama gun

>>34005396
I've shot a 1928 or whatever it was full auto Thompson. It's not actually that great of a gun. I'd rather have the mp40. You can reach out further with 9mm than you can With .45

Thompson is just underwhelming desu.

>>34005416
Well as long as we can agree that everything > sten

Grease cooled action is fucking retarded.

>>34005328
>id rather have a Sten
Thats a Lanchester in your pic you fucking retard.

>>34005369
You have no idea what your talking about.

I'm talking about wartime grade mass production here, not commercial operations.

>>34005370
You could convert the m3 to 9mm by swapping out the bolt, barrel, mags, and recoil spring.

>>34005420
Yea sten is best for MINIMUM product costs and nothing else

>>34005434
You are actually a fucking retard.

It's called that because it looks like it's made from auto mechanic grease gun.
The kind you use to grease heavy equipment.

Just never post again please.

>>34005481
So just make a whole new gun.

>>34005382

>Owen gun > PPS > Tommy > MP40 > PPSh > Grease gun >>> Sten

ftfy

>>34005488
What? No, didn't you read my post, you've just got to swap the mag, barrel, bolt and recoil spring.

>>34005506
>falling for the aussie memes

>>34004856
I wish it was legal to buy you in california so I can ride my harley in my greaser get up and open carry my grease gun.

>>34004866
Lot of soldiers liked them and the later model served well in Vietnam.

>>34004856
Is this a new meme or something?

The M3 was great, I'd take it over any commonwealth smg or even the MP40.

>>34005521
I know i was joking that it's basically the whole gun so you might as well just replace the whole thing. I know the body and trigger mechanism is a lot but with open bolt guns the entire thing is mainly a spring a tube a barrel and bolt.

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>>34004856
BEST WW2 FUDDY FIVE SMG

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>>34004856
It's really overpowered in Fallout NV.

>>34005461
>I'm talking about wartime grade mass production here, not commercial operations.

And I'm telling you that the DoD doesn't actually buy at the lowest bidder, unlike the lowest cost civilian options available; instead they buy the lowest cost "high-durability option".

Take the M3A1, for example. That "wartime grade mass production" gun was sold to the Us Gov't at $21 a pop in April 1945, which converts to $288.48 today. The absolute lowest you would see an open bolt or straight-blowback SMG chambered in a useful caliber is ~$200.

ARs, unlike those designs, have much tighter tolerances and require higher machining and materials standards. ARs couldn't be produced for less than ~$400 today without stripping them of useful features and design improvements. At that point, there would be far better self-loading rifle designs than an AR for last-ditch production. I guarantee you the government has thought long and hard on how to reduce the cost for viable weapons systems, but right now they purchase contracts for M4s at around $700 a rifle.

You show me an AR design that will halve the cost and I'll tell you how it won't meet DoD standards. Nobody will ever bother making shitty hybrid polymer ARs instead of just opting for a simpler design from the start.

>>34005370
I prefer .45

But for you, for today only, I'll sell you the conversion kit that makes it 9mm.

>>34005558
>literally 1 inch long barrel

>>34005394
Hey, if you make things heavy as fuck, then yeah you'll have less recoil, I bet you work for HK

>>34005568
Some gang members back in the day cut them down for "concealability"

It was a shit Idea of course and was used for spray and pray drive bys.

>>34005370
British, American, Australian, New Zealander (?), and whatever other trash the Commonwealths could spew up will attest:

Heavier, larger, slower moving bullets are more capable of penetrating jungle brush (and also, intermediate barriers), than lighter, smaller, faster moving bullets.

This is fact.

Hi how are you I hope you are well.

>>34005558
It would be neat to see an updated grease gun concept.

Is it possible to make a stamped grease AR-15 or a grease gun that uses AR mags?

>>34005568
You don't need to aim with it, you can just sweep through everything.
Vid related, post-apocalyptic mailman with m3 vs Caesar's Legion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJGU29zNO4I

>>34005458
Its a Sten Mk1 you fuckwit

>>34005614
That's a Lanchester, you cad.

>>34004856
You're just like a woman.
ridiculously expensive to acquire, expensive to mantain and feed, anemic in the sack and unable to love me.
Plus, you're ugly, and with all the drawbacks attached, i'd rather find a prettier gun or stay a semi-wizard.

>>34005594
Soo ... The AR-18?

>>34005724
umm??

>>34004856
We were even using them in the fucking Gulf War in small numbers so they obviously did something right

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>>34004856
They look like shit compared to their older sister, but they are arguable better in every way other than aesthetics.

>>34005558
Fallout 4 mod has very sexy custom reload
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFlISNlNy7U

>>34005328
>>34005614
Lanchester, my man.

>>34004856
the gi joe with kung fu grip that i had, loved his m3. came with the zodiac boat/frogman kit.

>>34005382
Greaser > KP/31 > MP40 > PPS-43 > Sten > Tommy > PPSh > Type 100

My, how inexpensive it looks!

>>34005052
Is that any way to treat the neighbors?

Now removing xolos on the other hand

It's more a cost effective (cheap pos) alternative to a thompson

>>34005594
>Make all parts that don't require a whole lot of strength out of polymer (hell, considering the design of the bolt you could probably just make the whole receiver out of polymer with just a few metal reinforcements)
>Add a thumb operated safety and selector switch
>Better sights
>Make it take glock or beretta magazines
Boom, you have an M3A2

>>34005974
>pos
It was better in every way compared to the Thompson.

>>34005926
KP/31 was heavy as fuck and expensive as fuck tho.

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>fire a mag
>change mag
>the temperature is 40°F and it's raining, your hands are wet and stiff
>in the middle of cocking the bolt your finger accidentally slips from the shitty cutout and the bolt slams home chambering a round and shooting your buddy, who your dumb ass was pointing the gun at, in the back.

Other than that, imo the best SMG of WW2.

>>34004976
Why don't more suppressors use mesh inserts like the OSS M3? It seems to work well enough, and I feel it would be much more cost effective in comparison to baffles.

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>>34005052
>>34005095

If automatics were ever legalized across the board, my HD gun would be a new production M3 with better sights and a comfy stock chambered in .40 S&W.

>>34004856
i think you're cool as fuck and you sound awesome

I wish Ian would make a video on the PPSh, it looks like a fun gun.

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>>34004856
I like it

Can aim at the ground and miss.

>>34006538
Yeah i would love to see some nice and high quality video on the inner workings of that gun. Though it's not all that forgotten is it, the channel name is quite a hindrance isn't it.

>>34005375
Only thing we really really fucked up on was that torpedoe, and being too slow to roll out upgraded versions of the Sherman.

>>34004856
The M3A1 is a pretty good design, it works fine, and it's a lot cheaper than the heavy piece of shit Thompson, though personally I would have made a few minor changes to it.

>make pistol grip two basic pieces of wood screwing onto a metal grip frame
>put a ventilated heat shield around the barrel so you can get a better forward grip and not burn your hands
>not have the cocking crank or the finger hole for charging the bolt, rather just a very typical knob for manipulating it (just copy the one from the M1A1)
>make the stock a bit sturdier, more or less a copy of the sidefolder on the VZ58
>make magazines dual position feed

Most of this could have been done while still being at least 10 times cheaper than a Thompson, and it'd make for a very nice subgun.

>>34005027
The Greasegun actually works phenomenally well, while the Sten could often be quite iffy.

>>34005052
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>>34005099
The Greasegun was an overenthusiastic solution to the problems of the Thompson; being really expensive and time consuming to make.

I personally think the Greasegun went a bit TOO cheap in some places, however, it worked absolutely fine.

>>34005304
The US is lousy with Glocks and ARs, hardly a problem.

>>34005591
9mm is heavy enough to not have a significant problem with brush, especially with speed from a longer barrel.

They should both perform almost as good, I'd err more towards 9mm because the ammo weighs less.

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>>34005594
>make the gun in 9mm and have it use Uzi or Colt SMG magazines for ready availability and low cost, with good performance
>make lower take AR15 pistol grips for same reasons
>copy stock from MP5kPDW, simple plastic sidefolder
>basic fixed sights and a top-rail for whatever you want
>give it a knob on the left side for charging
>give it an integrated silencer for a better forward grip and because 147gr subsonics supress very well, make it about the same length as the barrel with venting
>maybe camopaint it or whatever
I'd not be far from those Filipino Navy reissues that got hauled out some time ago (because they needed new automatic weapons but had no money).

>>34005995
I've already considered this a while before, especially with the design of the bolt guide rods
problem is, making it a closed bolt design greatly increases the firerate

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>>34005926
the last version of the Type 100 was great
my list would go

M3A1 > PPS43 > MP40 = MP38 > M3 > PPSH41 > Sten MK1* > Thompson M1A1 > Suomi KP31 = Suomi KP44 > Type 100/44 > Sten MK 2-5 > Thompson M1928 > Type 100/42

>>34007143
Having a traditional charging handle would create a large opening for the ingress of filth though. Maybe a non reciprocating charging handle in the back of the gun that pulls out of the receiver.

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>>34007330
I was thinking kinda like the one in the KP/31

>>34007330
What if you had a spring-loaded tab that sat over the slot for the handle, and the handle pushes it upward as it moves, kind of like on the FNC?

>>34006538
>>34007026
This guy has a pretty neat vid on the PPsh with it disassembled also to show you the cute little leather buffer in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQHLjOcObI

>>34007318
If you're talking about the KP m/44 when you say Suomi KP44 shouldn't it be on the same place as the PPS43 since it's basically just a direct copy?

>>34007479
Well yeah that is one solution of course.

>>34007547
the problem I have with the KP M44 is, that it is a copy of the PPS43, but it still uses KP M31 magazines & the production numbers were pretty low
still a great SMG

>>34007756
>>34007547
Are we talking about the KP31? Because that came before the PPSh41.

Or did the Finns clone the PPSh41 which was a clone of the KP31?

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>>34008205
No, we're talking about the KP/44, a direct copy of the PPS 43.

>>34008217
>a copy of a copy of their previous subgun
This is so odd to me.

>>34004976
put an empty cartridge on the divot like in the dshk.

>>34005315
Stens were made for $10 a pop in 1940s money, grease guns were a bit more than that. adjusted for inflation a Sten at max production would be at least around $120 burgerbucks, with a Grease Gun probably being around 150.

Given the number of ARs floating around USA, AR parts/build kits, ARs at depots and police stations, i think we have enough for any forseeable conflict, or at least enough to bridge the gap between start-of-war supply and late-war production.

>>34008241
What do you mean?

>>34005561
$21 is what i was thinking of >>34008639

so yeah, Grease gun isnt THAT much cheaper to a basic AR.

i wouldnt be surprised if we just ate the cost. the supply line is entirely AR focused. unless the next Grease Gun takes STANAGs and has a similar manual of arms, im not sure we could get away from an AR design.

>>34008241
M31 was costly and timely to manufacture. They saw that Vatniks had thrown together something simple to produce, and copied it to have more SMGs out faster.

>>34005331
Higher rate of fire.

>>34005328

patrician choice

>>34007104
>and being too slow to roll out upgraded versions of the Sherman.
Not exactly. We had a lot of 76mm gunned Shermans ready to be put in Normandy at the start of the invasion, but the generals in charge didn't think they were worth the tradeoff in HE performance, so most were initially left behind..

>>34006271
This

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>>34004856
Oh hi my dear fellow, you look gorgeous today.

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>>34005266
>>34005276
>>34005280
>>34005277

>>34004856
Smile! You could have been born a sten!

>>34004856
I have shot it once and loved it

>>34005099
And yet, we built 90 aircraft carriers in 4 years.

>>34004856
>>34004856
Costs 18 bucks.

>>34007143
I like the cocking crank, thing is it needed to be heat treated properly and the issue was mostly quality control based and maybe make it smaller and less obtrusive on the side of the receiver (Even then, its an open bolt so I doubt cocking it via fingers holes wasn't even often.) Also I think instead of a sliding wire stock, a MP5A3 style slide stock would have suffice. The wood grips can stay.

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>>34004856
It good gun. Base metal that mashed and made lead sluggers that won the war.

>>34009714
It seems like .40S&W would be great for SMG's.

I have gen 2 keltec carbine that uses glock .40 magazines and I love the thing.

>>34005561
>ARs couldn't be produced for less than ~$400 today without stripping them of useful features and design improvements
Nigger I can build an AR for $400 before FFL costs and thats still after PSA takes their cut as the middle man buying from the parts maker

>>34013929
Yeah, and that's the cheapest it's getting. You can only build a $400 rifle right now because retailers are selling off their Hillary stockpiles at a loss. The components you get that make a $400 rifle possible wouldn't even build a rifle the DoD would tolerate. If last-ditch rifles were actually needed, the cost of raw materials during wartime would skyrocket, and I can guaran-fucking-tee there isn't much more of a gearing bonus to be eeked out of a 60-year old rifle that is not only standard issue but the most popular civilian rifle in the world. Once you cut below $400, you're eating some of the cost with substandard/defective parts, additional machining and labor, missing features, or poor workmanship resulting in malfunctions, fragility, or additional weight.

I'm just saying that an AR is not a "last-ditch" design as far as ease of production, and can never be optimized to that degree. It's cheap enough to arm conscripts, but not cheap enough to arm an American Volkssturm.

>>34013818
other than the really questionable paint job, the Owen was GOAT.

It's like the uzi but worse in every way

>>34015342
Except it isn't really like the Uzi at all beyond being a stamped blowback gun in a pistol caliber, that fires from an open bolt.

Just like most good women: Practical, but sadly ugly as fuck.

>>34004856

a beautiful combination of logistical necessities and performance. I want one.

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>>34005594
Someone made a closed bolt version that takes Glock mags and AR stocks.
>also available in 10mm

>>34016608
Yeah but with an MSRP of $800 I may as well spend the time and effort into building my own.

>>34004856
I couldn't think of anything mean to say to it frankly. It's one of the cheapest and most effective freedom defenders ever created, what's not to like?

>>34005382
>JamPSH > Grease
Your waifu is shit.

>>34017272
Y'know, I think a Finnish KP/31 drum converted for a Greasegun would be a lot of fun, assuming you also had the gun converted to 9mm, then fit it for a silencer and load the gun up with 147gr subsonics

Imagine the soft(er) snapping and long, slow bursts you could do.
Subguns really are great toys.

>>34005099
We weren't trying to achieve cottage industry marvels of engineering fiddly work, like Germany. We were designing weapons that could be mass produced and shipped overseas to the fronts in shipload lots. They also had to meet criteria for ease of training/operation and economy of operation.

>>34013389
Kek

>>34005724
>When anon spews out his personal shortcomings on /k/ but tries to do so under the guise of a joke.