Should America standardize ammo in metric?

>>33997171
No

>>33997171

What does that even mean? The US armed forces are already largely standardized on metric when it comes to small arms?

5.56x45mm, 7.62x51mm, etc?

>>33997204
For barrel diameters, yes, but when you go to buy bullets for reloading, they are all in thous. Remember that barrels are slightly tighter than their bullets.

Absolutely not.

>>33997171
>7.62x51mm
Do you know what the mm means, jackass? NASA and the Military have switched over to metric for a while now.

>>33997171
No

>>33997171
Maybe the rest of the world should adopt imperial, maybe then they'd have a chance at going to the moon, winning the Super Bowl, making good movies etc.

>>33997171
>9mm
>7.62x51mm
>5.56x45mm

we already did moron

>>33997171
>What's a 5.56?

>>33998080
But the superbowl suck, all your movies are made by the jews, and thats your only real space race accomplishment, the soviets beat you to everything else

No.

>>33998080
and crash their martian probes

>>33997171
Fahrenheit is better than Celsius

>>33997171


Metric is for pussies.

There are two types of countries in this world; those that have been to the moon, and those that use the metric system.

>>33998845
Or maybe even attempt to build one in the first place and get it out to mars.

>>33999562
Nasa uses metric.....

>>33999660

I think you missed the joke there bud

>>33997171
Isn't the meter based on a faulty measurement of meridian quadrant in france?

>>33999562
Also, those who use the metric systems, and those who surrender to asian farmers

>>33997171

>I'm bashing my own group, look how enlightened I am!

>>33999632
Dude, even India manages to get probes to Mars.

>>33999562
Liberia has been to the moon, huh?

>>33997234
Ah yes, the wonderful metric system. Where my 8mm .323 bullets are too big for my 8mm .318 bore rifle, but too small for my 8mm .329 rifle.

What a wonderful system that would be.

>>33999807
The French, inventors of the metric system, surrendered to those same farmers.

>>33997171
America is literally too stupid now to learn metric.
they cant even deal with evolution.
just leave them be

>>33999942
/thread

>>33999913
Nigga U for real? U shoot and don't know how calibers work?
>tries to load .44 special and .44 magnum in a revolver chambered in .44 american

>>33997171
America should standardize everything in metric.
Regardless of its preferred use in science and the military, the decimal pattern just makes more sense because we use a base 10 math system.

The only coherent alternative would have been a sexagesimal pattern.

>>33999970
Mother Fucker that's what I'm saying. Metric isn't good at a lot of stuff.

>>34000065
Alright anon, explain yourself. How does imperial calibers prevent those errors?

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>>34000065
wow i wonder if you can devide the milimeter down more? by say another 1000? whats it called again? micrometers? oh shit.

μm

>>33997171
Metric is shit. The proof? Look at the picture. For some reason metricphiles can't handle fractions and anything that is not divisible by 10. They are also incapable of mentally handling units that have different names. They are actually inferior to Americans when it comes to the simple, reflexive memory of inches, feet, yards, fathoms, miles. and converting the same..

Metric was made by the French for peasants who were never expected to engage in tradecrafts that required measurement, or in commerce which requires the same.

As for science, metric is really rather shit because base 10 systems have few common factors.

Up until the French fucked everything up the majority of the world avoided base 10 for actual measurement because it is inferior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6xJfP7-HCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9m2jck1f90

Metric is inferior to anything besides making the unintelligent feel smart because they can spout how many meters are in a kilometer like a trained monkey. Anyone who does real work actually avoids the metric system, even if some of their units have metric terms in them.

There is a reason why clocks are base 60, computers are binary or hex, and Imperial and US are still very popular. Metric is shit.

/autism off

>>34001289
Nothing you wrote is in favor of imperial measurements though, as they do not use a constant divisor either. That's why imperial measurements are even worse than metric.

I do not give a shit if you pick base 2, 10, 12, or 60, but fuck, pick one and stick with it.

>>34001289
> And here we have the periodic table of elements measured in grains rather than molar mass. Oh nevermind, whoops, I have no idea what I'm talking about because I'm still in high school and have never worked a day in my life.

This is you anon. Also, you're too young to post here.

>>33998789
>y-y-y-you only won at the end
>I was doing pretty well until I lost

>>33997171
>Should America standardize ammo in metric?
what kind of question is that? The United States of America is without question the greatest nation ever in the history of the world. you can't argue that.

if anything, the rest of the world should adopt our way of doing things. then maybe they wouldnt be just another useless country...

>>33997171
Yea, in about 30yrs when all the true fudds are dead.

>>34001415
unlike you basement dwelling tacticool mall ninjas, us fudds actually marry and have children

you'll die out from diabetus long before we do
#fudd4lyfe

>>33997171
You already have it standardized in metric. You retards just go one step back and factor to your inferior, non consistent messurement units.

>>33998081
Fuck. My whole life I thought 5.56 NATO was 5.56x39, not 5.56x45. your post made me look it up. Maybe I was confused by Russian 5.45x39? Either way, thanks for making me learn a thing.

>>33998080
And lose wars against farmers in black pajamas.

>>33999820
kys

>>34001550
how the fuck we supposed to win? they got pajamas

>>34001550
I bet Euro metric users would have defeated those pajama wearers!

>>33999913
Maybe use the same precision then retard. Also its not like imperial caliber measurements are accurate anyway .300 savage is actually .308 like is daughter cartridge.

>>34001289
And yet most school kids can't tell you how many inches in a mile without looking it up.

I learned metric when I did my engineering degree, it is absolutely the better system for calculation

You realize America is one of the founding signers of the treaty of metre but the system we use is just a conversion

>>34001550
We lasted longer then the metric using french did.

>>34004753
>most school kids can't tell you how many inches in a mile without looking it up.

That's because it's a totally irrelevant. Inches to yards is useful, like wise so is yards to miles. Using inches to measure something several miles long is like me saying a football field is 3.67x10^-7 light seconds in length.

>>33997171
As an american engineer STUDENT I will say working with metric is easier.

As an AMERICAN I can tell you that I don't know how long a meter is or how heavy a kilogram is or why a man is only 2 meters tall (euro poors are short af). Just a gram because I smoke weed.

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>>33997171

>>33998058
Yeah NASA.... ever since that polar lander mission right?

>>34004911
Yes it is fucking useful, if you're doing any useful calculation. There's more a measurement system than just how far away is this thing, or how big is this thing.

You need to know pressure in a container, strain in a member, fucking anything more complicated than "how long is this part", metric is better. If it is just "how long is this part" you could do it in imperial or in cheese slice widths and it wouldn't matter as long as it had a consistent unit.

>>34004926
Try living in Britain. It's screwed up. I can't visualise a meter, but I can visualise a foot. Road signs still have yards, which they don't even teach in school.
All the road signage is in imperial actually, but lots of other stuff (instructions etc) is in metric.

>>34005114
The metric calendar system was also based as fuck. With weeks and seasons aligning perfectly with months.
Too bad the vatican got butthurt.
>>34001289
common factor of 10 is better than no common factor at all.
imperial requires to convert to the correct unit for the order of magnitude each time before even figuring out the fraction. Not to mention how the imperial system lacks a ton of units so you end up measuring microns as three decimal points of inches.

>>34001289
Sure, if you're from one of the few isolated tribes that don't use a base ten numeric system.
Go ahead and redpill people that you need two more digits. I'm sure they're willing to make the change.

The real problem with the metric system is that you fucks try to be cool like us imperials and leave off the units. Really metric needs the anal retentivity to specify the units every time because otherwise you get fucked by the over abundance of prefixes.

(Imperial ).223=.566(metric)

>>33999677
It was originally meant to be 1/10 000 000 of the distance from the North Pole to the equator.

But it was off by 0.0002 meters. Not that it matters because its all about the relation of measurements not about their physical representations (as long as said representations are consistent ofc).

Case in point, its now defined by the speed of light in a vacuum, and was previously defined on a number of wavelengths of Krypton.

>>34001362
Went to the moon, did some neat science experiments and did jack all after. Not that the Soviets did either, but the Space Race was kinda bullshit.

The most important things to come out of it were orbital rocketry, satellites (both of which came before the Moon) and space stations (which came after) but the Moon is held up the end goal. Doesn't make sense.

>>34005197
The Eastman Calendar is also interesting - every month the 1st is the beginning of the new week, and there are 4 weeks in every month. Someone says the 14th, and you know what day of the week it is without having to look it up. Leap day just isn't a day of the week at all to avoid it messing everything up (as in it goes Saturday, Leap Day, Sunday).

Neat system.

>>34005320
metric calendar is just the same as what you said except it's 3 weeks of 10 days per month

I use Imperial for most of my daily life, like cooking, weightlifting, and driving etc. But I use metric when I need to do some math calculations.

Use both. Life is much easier that way.

>>34005320
>frenchmen with telescopes and trigonometry are only off by 0.2mm when measuring distance on a planetary scale
>people still believe in flat earth when we have orbital imagery of the earth
really activates my butter

>>34000171
It doesnt.

Case naming is just retarded.

>>34001289
This.

Different bases are useful for different things, there's no reason to outright ignore the usefulness of them because
>muh standardization

>>33998789
>Soviets beat you to everything else
A few things, but most Soviet 'firsts' were trivial. Not as if first woman in space (for example) is any more difficult than first man in space.
Anyway, it's not the taking part, it's the winning that counts.

>>34005380
I'll agree partially with this, I'm a metric boy but I measure shit in inches while doing woodwork because it's easier to visualize.
By fractions of an inch besides a half and 3/4 are shit, small things and big things benefit from metric since you need less visualization for them.
Besides, there's literally no reason to standardize, only faggots can't handle imperial.
EXCEPT FOR FAHRENHEIT FUCK YOU GO DIE IN A FAHIRE.

>>34005380
Woodworker here. The imperial ruler makes no sense. First you divide a foot into 12 inches. But then you start dividing inches by 2, 4, 8, and then 16.

They should have either split out inches by a factor of 12 or divided the foot by a factor of 16.

>>33997171
Metric is better at measurement
Imperial is better at visualization

>>34005448
>because it's easier to visualize
When you've been dealing in metric long enough, it's just as easy to visualize.

>>34006129
Because an imperial foot is as long as a foot?
Because an imperial inch is as long as your thumb?
Because and imperial mile is a thousand paces?
Yeah fuck right off, it's random as can be.

>>34005320
>It was originally meant to be 1/10 000 000 of the distance from the North Pole to the equator.

That's an awful universal measurement to be honest. Even the new definition of "The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299792458 of a second." is awful as it was clearly meant to find something that fit closely with the current measurement.

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>>33997171
no need
and it depends on what you are trying to divide in the first place

>>34006152
>>It was originally meant to be 1/10 000 000 of the distance from the North Pole to the equator.
>That's an awful universal measurement to be honest.
It makes coordinates and cartography a million times easier, you dunce.
Degrees, minutes and seconds can be converted to metric distance easily.

>>34006152
So? The Yard isn't any better being based varyingly on a stave or a chestbreadth or a waist or an arm.

The utility of the metric system is not the physical representation of it, its the fact that it has the SI built around it. It was built once we knew we needed to relate pressure to force and area, force to mass and acceleration. Conversions, calculations, derived units are consistent throughout.

Arguably >>34006191 is also right, but even if that wasn't the case and it 1/12924342 of the distance from the North Pole to the Equator, and it still had the SI units built around it, it'd be better than the US customary units.

>>34006191
No one is saying it doesn't you retard.

>>34006214
>relying on imperial being shit to justify another shit measurement

Why?

It should be something simple and easy to understand, no completely arbitrary numbers like 1/299792458 should be involved at all, it should be actually universal.

Common base is superior even when the base is kinda silly
Units fitting in with SI units are always better
Unique units fitting specific fields made a lot of sense when measurement technology was limited and calculations were done by hand
Caliber naming is terminally fucked up
That's okay though, if people want to get into guns they can fucking learn how it works
Also, murriclaps that can't tell 8mm I from 8mm IS don't deserve to shoot german guns and live

>>33999660
NASA is a country?

>>34006289
Oh, so you're gonna be like that? I'll just point out that no country has left earth, then.

>>33997171
>posting faggot oatmeal comics on 4chan

Get out of /k and kill yourself OP

>>34006224
>Why?
1/10,000,000 was a decent attempt at that. But the Earth isn't perfectly round, and depending where you measure that distance will be different. Similar stories exist for other units - the kg mass of one cubic decimeter of pure water at its freezing point. But that also is hard to define consistently. Pressure, impurities, containment etc all change the result at high precision.

The issues with strictly defining the measurements became known as science developed, and at that point organizational inertia took over. To fully rework the system to get easy measurement references, like 1 Novo-Meter being exactly 1/30000000 light second would mean converting every previous measurement, every tool, everything. And unlike the switch from Imperial to Metric, you do it all for no gain at all.

Because again, it doesn't matter what the scientific definitions are. 1m is still a a meter. Its easy to understand same as you know what a yard is. When are you or 99.99999% of people going to benefit from knowing that the meter is the distance traveled by light in 1/299792458 of second, in its use as a practical measurement? You're not. Its never going to be relevant. All you need is a consistent form of measurement so that when you say 1 second, or kg or watt or tesla, I and everybody else knows exactly what you mean.

>>33997171
No. A .357 would be a 9x33. Fuck that.

Imperial is retarded that s all

In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it.

Whereas in the American system, the answer to “How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?” is “Go fuck yourself,” because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.

>>34006397
also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmSJXC6_qQ8

>>34006407
just look from 30s

>>34006101
just by your post, I can tell your not a wood worker.

>>34006356
I like it. 9x33 gives me a ballpark figure on how much more powder and barrel I will need over 9x19.

>>34006397
BTU vs calories, erm, kilocalories

The mistakes that engineers make in power nx10^?

>>34006423
Just by your post, I can tell you have an overestimation of your 4chan inference abilities.

>>34006425
>I like it. 9x33 gives me a ballpark figure on how much more powder and barrel I will need over 9x19.

That actually is pretty intuitive. Even just putting case diameters in customary units would be nice. That way you don't get retarded ness like .38spl actually being a .357 bullet.

Just call it 9x29 or .357x1.2

>>34006438
The SI unit is the Joule, and that is what engineers use. Calories are only really used for food.

>>33999807
Who surrendered?

>>33999820
>a progressive board

citation, pls.

>>33997171
>“How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?” is “Go fuck yourself,” because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.

It's 9232 BRITISH thermal units


Still go fuck yourself though

If metric is so great why doesn't basically anyone use it to tell temperature?

>>34006425
The .44 mag is a 10.9x33

No mag designation. No Dirty Harry quote. So boring

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>>33997171
nah fuck off

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>>34006465
>his food labels don't list Joules

>>34006508
i am in total agreement with you

imperial tolerance schemes (sliding fit, force fit, etc) is a smooth linear system

iso tolerance schemes are stair stepper with YUGE variance if you change your dimension even 0.0001 mm, because metric dimension and tolerances are like "fuck you English scum, i fart in your general direction"

>>34006504
They do, Celcius is a metric measurement.

It isn't an SI base unit? Though it is a SI derived unit.

>>34006528
I didn't say that. I just said that when Calories ARE used, its usually for food.

>>34006508
Kek.

I hate you a little bit for that image.

>>34006551
>Calories ARE used, its usually for food.
Food calories are actually kilocalories. Most consumers don't know or care.

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No pleas don't, let them be autists alone, in the reality show country.

>>34006564
Literally every consumer knows this, it is simply irrelevant in colloquial speech.

>>34004405
This. You gotta respect the hell out of anybody who just rolls out of bed to go fight a war, without even bothering to put on work clothes.

>>34004443
And Communism will really work, as soon as people stop doing it wrong.

>not using a duodecimal system with an AU base
we're not going to reach the stars using those two outdated systems

>>34006574
No. Every consumer is off by a factor of 1000. Go back to school. You missed something.

>>34004926
>Just a gram because I smoke weed.

Fucking kids. I remember when you could score a fat lid of Colombian Gold for $40. An honest 4 finger lid, measured from the dashboard.

If you wanted a lesser amount, you divided it in half, called each part a half ounce and it was all good.

If you were really broke, you asked for a dime bag, which was half of the half ounce. An enterprising poorfag could squeeze 3 nickel bags out of a dime bag. That way, he made up his expenses and had a little left over for the weekend.

>>34006589
I'm sympathetic towards you in that your autism is debilitating outside of a purely academic context, but to the average person the "kilo" is known and implied in everyday speech even though it is unspoken, since everyone knows the "proper" calorie is a uselessly miniscule measurement.

>>34006642
Autism is you clinging to your error

>>34006505
> 10.9x33

> 11mm bullet
> 33mm length of case
> ~85% of the length of an AK47 rifle round
> out of a handgun

Oh I think there's a story in there, anon.

>>33998080
superbowl sounds like some sort of competitive american cooking?

>>33999820
take your own advice and kill yourself

>>34006665
You're the sperg getting self-righteous over a literal "well acktchually", friend.
Seek help. Go outside. Get some air.

>>34006589
Every consumer?
Really?
You do realize WE are consumers that know better right?

But more importantly the ONLY time the average consumer is going to deal with Calories OR calories is when they are dealing with food. And when dealing with food its always Calories. Who cares if they don't understand that 1 Calorie = 1 kilocalorie = 1000 calories? Anything they compare it to will also use the equivalent to kcals anyway.

>>34006698
Liberals like you never admit when they're wrong.

>>34006708
The label on the food is wrong and off by a factor of 1000. The average Joe consumer doesn't have a clue.

>>34006698
>>34006708
>>34006713
>>34006725

The only things weapon related in these posts is the weapons-grade annoying you've all become. Just fuck already, the tension is killing us.

>>34006725
Why is your retarded conspiracy theory so important to you?

You do know that "Calories" with a capital C are different to calories with no capital right? The label is correct, and its irrelevant anyway because any value they compare it to will also be in Calories, i.e. kcals.

Are you literally autistic? I mean seriously, actual diagnosed?

>>34006725
so what?
off by a factor of 1000 in relation to what?

nobody who is ever going to work with calories or kcal in any other context other than shoveling food down their gullet will know

>>34006505
>>34006666

When I was in Europe I saw boxes of 44Mag being sold as 10.9×33mmR. Though it was mildly interesting.

If I'd known it was going to ever be relevant, I would have taken a photo.

>>33997171
I would respect Metric a lot more if they used the advantages of their system to put the proper prefix in front of something.

For example. You want to measure the height of a person. In Feet/Inches, this number is either 2-3 digits, such as 6'1" or 73". These measurements have real meaning given they were generated from real things in life and thus are more flexible and geared towards the things we do every day.

When you go to metric some jackass determined that the 'meter', and unnecessarily long object, was the way to go. So since measuring things in meters is pretty well useless, everything has to be converted. Luckily, the metric system is really simple to do that in.
A person can come in at roughly 18.5 decimeters. This is a similar number to that of the Imperial Feet or Inches and is fairly flexible. But instead, due to maximum autism, they will choose to instead use either 1.845 meters (eh), or 1845mm (not okay). These numbers are too small (m) or too large (mm) to have any real appreciable meaning in people's heads, because I highly doubt that they'll drag the 'meters' measurement to 3 decimal points. But for whatever fucking reason they don't use cm or dm to help with this so they just stick with mm or m, negating the one advantage of the system that was claimed to be so amazing.

At the end of the day I don't mind Metric. It has it's purposes and it's much preferred with anything small, because let's be honest, 'thou' is dumb. But is frustrates me that they don't use it to its potential and instead bitch and moan about miles and stuff (even though the bongs still use it too).

>>34006743
Welcome to 4chan. Let me show you around. OP posts with either a 1/2 truth, erm i mean 0.5 metric truth, and the thread derails. C'est la vie.

>>34006725
>The label on the food is wrong and off by a factor of 1000.
No it isn't. It's always in kcal.

>The average Joe consumer doesn't have a clue.
The average Joe consumer knows that kcal is kilocalories, but he also knows that in speech it's usually simplified to just "calories". You're the one who doesn't seem to have a clue.

>>34006763
Height is in cm, anon. 180cm is about 6 foot.

>>34006770
The label does NOT say kcal. Get your meds adjusted, please.

>>34006782
All my food is labeled in kcal.

>>34006782
but every single label lists kcal as cal, so in relation to each other, nothing is wrong

it's not like some foods have calories listed as calories and others have kcal listed as calories
every single piece of food in the US has kcal listed as calories

>>34005381
They had the first animal, man, and woman in orbit. They also had made the first return from lunary flyby, had the first space station, the most space walks by an individual, and all of the top 13 times spent in space.

>>34006101
The next smaller measurement is half of the next larger one. Half of an inch is a half inch. Half of a half a quarter. Half of a quarter an eighth. And so on.

>>34006101
Base 12 is BETTER than base 10 for the utility factor. Every person on earth instinctively understands base 60.

>>34004926
2 meters is acutally about 6 feet 6/7 inches, which is fucking tall by about any standards imo. Average size in france is about 1.75 meters, which is 5 feet 9 inches.

>>34006184
Jesus fucking christ what kind of madness is this

>>34006918
>>34006959

Gentlemen, my point was not that either factor is unacceptable. My point is to pick one and only one of them and use it for going from feet to inches to sub-inches.

>>33999999
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>>33997171
Thing that all these Metric advocates forget (or just don’t want to say) is that their standard is utterly arbitrary as well.

>What is a gram?
It’s the mass of a certain volume of water.
>Okay, how is the amount measured?
With meters.
>And what is a meter?
It’s a fraction of the distance between the North Pole and the Equator
>And who chose the fraction?
Some French Academy over 200 years ago based on their best attempt at a global measurement. We just stuck with it.

Either way, some people hundreds of years ago decided on an arbitrary value according to their best guess, and we stuck with it.

At least “foot” is useful. You can approximate it with a body part. No one can take a reasonable guess at a ten-millionth of the Earth’s meridian if they want to measure how long their room is.
Fahrenheit works much better as a human scale of heat as well.
Metric is born of ideals, without concern for the people it should be serving. Fitting that it came as a result of the French Revolution.

Metric’s only advantage is conversion between orders of magnitude. If 12 inches = 1 foot bothers you so much, then just measure it in inches.

>>33999820
I sure wish I had an escape goat. They seem useful.

>>34007051
>Metric’s only advantage is conversion between orders of magnitude.

Which is damn near vitally important when working with anything in astronomy, chemistry, or microbiology. Better to say it came out of the enlightenment, when people like Hooke were getting shit done that required a bit more precision than a woodcutters shop.

>>34007051
it's ok anon we got it, you don't like metric and you don't want to use it there's no need to justify it

>>33999820
Reported for not keeping /pol/ in /pol/.

Inb4
>I'm not /pol/ trolling because I'm pretending to be le libtard

>>34004753
>And yet most school kids can't tell you how many inches in a mile without looking it up.

When would that knowledge be useful?

>I learned metric when I did my engineering degree, it is absolutely the better system for calculation

And now you're a sandwich engineer at subway making 300k while your mom gets the double meat, right?

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>>34007124
>Which is damn near vitally important when working with anything in astronomy, chemistry, or microbiology.
That’s why we have scientific notation, bro. It makes unit conversion unnecessary.

In imperial, I can say
>6.03 x 10^5 inches
Or
>6.03 x 10^7 inches

I don’t need feet or miles if I don’t want them.

It makes the convenience of metric irrelevant. Like how
>6.03 x 10^5 grams
Is the same as
>6.03 x 10^2 kilograms

>>34007164
Pic related

>>34007031
Those are awesome charts. I can Joe many of our daily things have been engineered around this kind of math. Quite common factually. Base 10 is so limiting.

>>34007249
*see
not Joe
stupid spell checker

>>34007245
Now do that with pounds. Oops, not constant across elevation.

Now do it with grains. Oops, based on fucking Wheeties, not constant either.

Now do it with BTU. Oh shit, based on the pound, and no good at altitude or in free fall.

There's a reason you won't find a periodic table of elements in imperial measurements.

>>33997171
No, you globalist commie puppet.

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>>34007280
>Now do that with pounds. Oops, not constant across elevation.
Oh, no, a unit used to measure gravitational force on a mass fluctuates according to changes in gravity!? ALERT THE PRESSES.

>Now do it with grains. Oops, based on fucking Wheeties, not constant either.
Utterly wrong, it has a set absolute value. You can even express it in grams if you want (https://www.google.com/search?q=grain+to+gram&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
That’s like saying 1 foot is just everyone’s foot length. Utter straw-man.

>implying the “pound of water” used in BTUs isn’t an objective mass unit rather than the weight unit. Again, you can express it in kg if you want (https://www.google.com/search?q=imperial+pound+mass+to+kg&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=pound+mass+to+kg)

>not good at measuring temperature in freefall
You’re grasping really hard at straws here. You’re also wrong.

>>34006782
Weird
The tortillas I'm eating right now say "for 100g : 1979kj / 472 kcal"
My guac says "415kj / 100kcal">>34006796

What could those be...

>>34007359
From where dost thou calleth thine domicile?

>>34007379
Greater kalifate of France
Muezzin is calling brb

>>34007344

1. You better check where your pounds scale was calibrated, especially in orbit, i.e. freefall.

2. Every single absolute imperial value you mentioned happened only because they were beat to the punch by metric, who wanted repeatable objective measurements.

3. You are either trolling for replies or you don't work in a field where this shit is important. Literally no chemists work in imperial. I'm not aware of a single one. That speaks volumes.

Here's the kicker. Ignore my arguments. Because you already have, or you will, swap. This shit sells itself when you work with it. Everyone, even Perfidious Albions upset about metric still use it. Because, repeat after me...

Imperial
Measurements
Suck
Dildos

>>34007447
Base 10 is for limited morons. I see why you like it.

>>34007483
Show's what you know. I actually have 12 fingers and toes.

>>34007494
Pics or its not true

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>>34007447
>You better check where your pounds scale was calibrated, especially in orbit, i.e. freefall.

Yeah, because measuring weight at elevation requires you do so. This has nothing to do with metric vs. imperial.
You have to apply a gravitational constant to grams in order to get weight. And that constant will vary depending on your elevation and what planet you're on. Do you understand this?

>Every single absolute imperial value you mentioned happened only because they were beat to the punch by metric, who wanted repeatable objective measurements.
I don't believe you. Cite the dates.

>You are either trolling for replies or you don't work in a field where this shit is important. Literally no chemists work in imperial. I'm not aware of a single one. That speaks volumes.

Are you implying chemistry is the only scientific field?

I am not trolling.
I studied mechanical engineering in college. We learned both forms. I still prefer Imperial.

Nowadays I work at a civil engineering firm. Land surveying, coordinates, architectural drawings, pressure piping, gravity lines, it all uses Imperial.

I have not seen one single "meter" in my 2.5 years at my company. It isn't used.

The pipe profiling I'm doing this very day is using feet. Don't be so small minded, bro.

>>34007524
You never handed in a single sample report in ft/lbs and you damn well know it.

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>>34007536
You are moving the goalposts hard, bro. Just admit you were wrong.

I don't do "sample reports", whatever those are. I design plans and profiles and whatever else needs to be don.

But when we're working with units of force, we generally use hydraulic head, which *drumroll*, uses feet.

>30 miles
>48.3 kilometres

Significant digits motherfucker, do you... well of fucking course you don't know them..

>>34007447
It should be noted that some metric standards, or natural equivalents, are based off the imperial standard.

>>34007524
>I don't believe you. Cite the dates.

Since no one else will take this, I will.


Standardization of the foot and lbs for international use:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_yard_and_pound - 1959

Mendenhall Order - 1922

In October 1834, the United Kingdom Houses of Parliament were destroyed in a fire, and the British standards of length and mass were also destroyed.


Standardization of the metre and gram for international use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre_Convention - 1875

Gram is more difficult. Closest I could find was:
Gauss chose the units of millimetre, milligram and second. In 1874, it was extended by the British physicists James Clerk Maxwell and William Thomson with a set of electromagnetic units and the selection of centimetre, gram and second and the naming of C.G.S

>>34007568
Yeah sure. I'll admit I'm wrong.

You're also the only person working in the sciences field I've met in 20 years who still prefers imperial over metric. There's probably more of you, but not many.

Shine on, you crazy diamond. And don't get anybody killed.

>>33999807
We didn't surrender. We were winning until Nixon decided to withdraw. In all honesty our biggest mistake in Vietnam was waiting until after the french surrendered to go in and kick ass.

>>34007850
> Medenhall Order

You have that listed under the wrong group. That's where the US agreed Imperial standards sucked and we aligned to metric.

>>34007524 here has been using crypto-metric conversions his entire career and didn't know it.

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>>34001550

>this bullshit again

>>33998080
It's SAE you dip, not imperial

>>33997171
If anyone but the french had invented the metric system the whole world would be done with this shit. Now since neither americans nor brits can admit to a frenchie making something worthwhile we're stuck with the endless expensive mess of using both.

And that sucks, but hey, atleast you're proud.

t. Aircraft techie who has to deal with this shit on a daily basis

>>34008322
>Now since neither americans nor brits can admit to a frenchie making something worthwhile

Nah bro. We're already using the French system as the base for our yard and pound. We just keep our own conversions for day-to-day use.

"A series of conferences in France between 1870 and 1875 led to the signing of the Metre Convention and to the permanent establishment of the International Bureau of Weights and Measures, abbreviated BIPM after the French name. The BIPM made meter and kilogram standards for all the countries that signed the treaty; the two meters and two kilograms allocated to the United States arrived in 1890, and were adopted as national standards (Barbrow & Judson 1976, 16)."

I would just like to point out that no matter where I have been in the world, Thailand, England, Scotland, Canada, Japan, Curacao, Turkey, Qatar, etc. we have always fueled our plane with pounds of fuel. Every single gas truck driver we dealt with all used pounds.

>>34008524
That's all fine and dandy, but when you're at the nuts and bolts level of huge international projects you're entirely at the mercy of engineer preference when it comes to imperial vs. metric.

I could bitch and length about some of the idiotic shit i see and potential consequenses.

But here's the bottom line:
Having both metric and imperial standards means more tools, wasted money, more time in school, more time in training, more time needed to think, more things that could go wrong.

It's just a fucking waste of resources. I don't even care which system we use, but it's going to take decades, maybe even centuries to phase out one of them. And we haven't even started that yet.

Civilized world:
>The second (symbol: s) (abbreviated s or sec) is the base unit of time in the International System of Units / Système International d'Unités (SI).[1][2] It is qualitatively defined as the second division of the hour by sixty, the first division by sixty being the minute.[3] SI definition of second is "the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom".[1][4] Seconds may be measured using a mechanical, electrical or an atomic clock.
>The metre (international spelling) or meter (American spelling), (from the Greek noun μέτρον, "measure") is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI). The SI unit symbol is m.[1] The metre is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299 792 458 seconds.

Filthy statists barbarians:
>A second is how much it takes to the King's fart to go from his rectum to the nose of someone standing at one King's arm length of his ass
>A inch is the distance between each pupils of the King
>In case of the King having strabism, the inch becomes the length between both of his upper on lower fourth teeth of the right side of his open mouth

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No. fuck off.

>>33998789
> Super Bowls suck

2 out of the last 3 have been fucking amazing - and I don't even like the Pats.

The whole world should use metric and know english.

>>33997171

it's pretty much impossible to standardise ammunition measurements anyway.

>Hi I have a 6 inch dick

>Hi I have 15.25 centimeter dick

The choice is obvious

>>34008690
All engineers are trained in SI for at least 25 years. Scientists have been trained in it for longer. Cars have all switched over to SI for their fasteners. Once we get a new generation of machinists I think we will hit critical mass. After all if the people who make the stuff use metric John Q. Public won't have much choice. Not to say that we will use nice even measurements. For example pipe will probably still be sold as 12.7 mm instead of 1/2" just to keep legacy compatibility.

>>34009784
You deserve a lollipop.

>>34009929
>Once we get a new generation of machinists I think we will hit critical mass.
I started a machine shop in 1961. Even back then 1/2 our work was metric. I don't have long on this earth, but I go witnessing the dumbest generation of know-it-alls to ever curse this planet.since the You are as bad as the new generation of commie sympathizers rioting in the streets for something they do not, and could never fully understand.

>>34001550
China and France have both lost more wars against the Vietnamese than the US have.

>>34009993
Oji-san, I have a feeling you actually have wisdom to impart here, but I don't know what it was. Can you please try again?

Is this really how americans react when they are a minority and/or in the wrong, or is this thread just some elaborate trolling?
Seldomly have I seen such levels of saltiness.

>>34006397
In SAE, an ounce of water weighs an ounce, a pint is a pound, and so on.

>>34010045
Ignore the "since the" part
my eyes are old and these boxes are small

>>34010053
We were never short on self confidence in our own positions. I think it's a cultural shortcoming.

>>34007494
Missing 8?

>>34007902
Our biggest mistake in Vietnam was backing the French to keep them in Nato in '47. Ho Chi Mihn was a huge Ameriboo who we supplied and assisted (not all that much, mind you) in his anti-Japanese insurgency during WWII. He only became Communist when Mao unified China and the only people who would give him the support he needed to keep the Chinese on their side of the border were the Soviets.

If we hadn't told France that we'd fight to help them keep their colonies, post war, and had offered Ho Chi Mihn trade and weapons, Vietnam would have been a better ally than the Philippines.

>>34010029
Numbers of wars lost against vietnamese
France - 1 (and was backed by the US)
China -1 (and was backed by the US)
US - 1
You're not helping your case, anon. And France and China have actually won some conflicts against Viet-Nam, contrary to the US.

>>33998845
yeah, crashing into a comet is much more impressive.
:^)

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>>34009993
> Biggest generation of know-it-alls to ever curse this planet

Guilty as charged, but we had a damn good teacher.

>>34010183
China has lost two wars against Vietnam since 1975, and we didn't give them assistance either time.

It's the whole reason why China still makes light tanks, the terrain on the Vietnamese border isn't suited to MBTs, and China is always looking to add Indochina to the fold (because some emperor fuckwad did it for 10 years in the Bronze age, it's their divine right to do it again now).

>>34010304
God damn, this. I asked a fellow from Beijing what the deal with Vietnam was. He said they bore them no ill will but a vassal state should know it's place.

I thought he was taking the piss but he was dead serious. That's some George III level shit.

>>34010304
>we didn't give them assistance either time.

>implying CIA wasn't in Kampuchea

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Question for all metricfags: why don't you fuckers stay consistent and adopt the French Republican Calendar?
>each month is EXACTLY 30 days long
>each week is 10 days long

You should also adopt the Decimal Clock, where each day is divided into exactly 10 hours, 1000 minutes, and 100,000 seconds.

Your system is inconsistent because you won't decimalize it to its logical conclusion, fuckwits.

>>33998789
>the soviets beat you to everything else

Except, ya know, being a surviving thriving country that has the world's biggest GDP.

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>>33999913
>7.65mm browning
>bullet is 7.95mm
>called .32acp in the US
>Bullet is .3125
>literally nothing about the cartridge is either .32in or 7.65mm

wew

>>33999888
impressive.

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Decimal inches is unironically better for machining than metric.

Standard drill sizes are fucking ridiculous, though. Letter, Number, and Fractional,

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I miss the cable as a measurement

>At length we stood 2 cables away
>Our cracked four pounders made an awful din
>But with one fat ball, the Yank stove us in

>The Antelope shook and pitched on her side
>Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs
>And the Main truck carried off both me legs

>>34010277

that pic reminds me of an early modern writer who in the 16th century basically said modern englishmen had become pussy fags ever since they stopped sleeping on straw beds and living the hard life of a medieval peasant

>>34010277
>Guilty as charged, but we had a damn good teacher.
Your generation never listened, always so mad at the tiniest criticism. When the hippies took over the universities, everything went downhill. You are the 2nd generation of people taught primarily by hippy commie lovers.

>>34010745
> Admits the criticism is valid
> Still gets accused of not listening to said criticism

If you wondered why we never seemed to listen, it's because you guys kept contradicting yourself every other sentence and we were too busy trying to figure out which signal to follow.

>>33997171
Metric is about to be as dead as traditional European values...
oh wait
Germany just declared there's no such thing as European values :^)
>long live Imperial units

>>34010734
>HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW

>>34010325
The call themselves the "Middle Kingdom" because they firmly believe that China is the center of the world.

Never forget this if you ever end up dealing with them.

>>34010745
My generation got educated in the late 90's by engineers who were nearly all over the age of 60 and had been in the field for most of the time before that. To hear the guys with younger professors when I went back 20 years later, not much has changed.

F=MA, there's always an opposite reaction, and you can't push a rope.

>>34007031
Part of the issue is that it uses the "," as a radix point not ".". Basically you think of numbers then as 1*10^1+3*10^0+5*8^-1

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>>34001362
>won

>hurr metric so logical and fantastic
Daily reminder that the entire metric system is totally arbitrary. The Meter was created by two guys who fabricated their numbers while measuring the distance to the north pole. Therefore the centimeter (and subsequently the gram and kilogram) are also based on completely made up measurements.

>>34007229
You've never done any sort of engineering calculation have you? If you have something small scale and want to scale it up, you might make that exact conversion. Conversion between rates is important.

More important, relationships between units of differing quantities. Take the USCU equivalent of the newton - the pound-force. It has a gravitational factor to it. So rather than being just (ft/s^2) * lb i.e. F=MA, you have to account for the factor every time you want to work with it. Even when you aren't doing anything with Earths gravity at all. So all your math has to scale by this arbitrary factor of 32.174049 for no reason

The poundal, which is just lb ft per second squared makes so much more sense, but its not a customary unit. That sort of bullshit is all over the system. and its infuriating.

This goes for >>34007245 too.

And if its relevant at all, I'm an one-step-up-from-entry-level Mechatronics engineer earning a little less than half that.

>>34009993

Ancient wise old man, what is your waifu?

>>34007697
Like what?

>>34008067
>>34010065

Dude, SAE is the Society of Automotive Engineers. They make standards for fasteners, they don't dictate the measurement standards. Technically its not imperial either, but USCS or the United States customary system.

>>34009929
>Cars have all switched over to SI for their fasteners
I've heard it claimed that thats partially because of Japanese imports becoming popular. I wonder if thats the case.

>>34010608
>why don't you fuckers stay consistent and adopt the French Republican Calendar
The church mostly
>Your system is inconsistent because you won't decimalize it to its logical conclusion, fuckwits.
Only the second is used for calculation, and calculation is the reason why metric is used, units after that its just for human comparison.

And as others have said, having a base 12 system is useful. 1/4s, 1/3s, 1/2s are all easy to use so conversion means lessening utility in that case.

>>34011486
read >>34005320
>fabricated
>end result within 8 thou in the fucking 18th century using telescopes and math.
Retard.

>>33997171
Why? Everyone standardizes to imperial and just converts it back to metric to feel good about themselves anyway. We run the ammo world.

>>33999913
To be fair, that's only because of different barrel diameters, and the Germans did stamp the barrel diameters on the guns.

>>34000216
And then again into nanometers.. which is what computer transistors are measured in these days (Intel and AMD are both roughly at 14nm at the moment, they are aiming for 10 or 7nm soon though.. a virus is roughly 100nm tall).

>>34001289
>cant handle fractions

What?

0.25 is 1/4 of 1 though you idiot.

>>33998080
>making good movies

>>33997171
Yes.

Anyone who disagrees should be forced to do high level engineering physics problems in imperial until they go fucking insane.

Did you know that there are 32.17404864697387 poundal feet in a foot pound?

Yeah, that makes sense right? No way that's fucking retarded.

If you've never done a math problem that required you to work in cubic slugs times inches over poundal feet squared, feel free to shut the fuck up about imperial being "more convenient"

>>34009993
Typical boomer jumping on a small portion of my statement and holding it up like that was my only point. No wonder your generation fucked over the world. You act like we are so bad when you were the ultra-violent hippies pining away for revolution in the 70s. thanks for the mountain of debt hanging over our heads, you really did great with that whole "don't sell out the next generation" legacy.

>>33997171
shuddup fag

>>34012489

>And yet most school kids can't tell you how many inches in a mile without looking it up.

>You've never done any sort of engineering calculation have you?

How many of your average school kids ( "most school kids" ) do you think, routinely calculate complex engineering equations.

You can move the goal posts as much as you want but that doesn't make you any less of an obtuse asshole.

>>34010707
You realize that imperial units are currently derived from SI standards, right?
It's impossible to have inches more accurate than centimetres, because the inch is literally made to be 2,54cm long.

>>34013980
>Typical boomer
> No wonder your generation fucked over the world

Might not want to go too far down that road, mate. I'm 90% sure we probably aren't going to do any better.

>>34014709
Stupid, natural equivalents have SI units based off imperial.

>>34015249
please reformulate, you post isn't making much sense.

>>33997171
People, People, calm down. Can we not all agree that the truly heinous acts are those that still use stone as a measurement?

>>34015347
Dear Stupid,

Natural equivalents have SI units based off imperial.

Sincerely,
Anon

>>34014406
>Moving the goal posts

Are you retarded? The entire point of my original post was that because it was simple to learn, any metric school kid can tell you how many cm are in a km, when said school kids grow up and move into STEM fields, its far easier to do calculations.

School is when you study and are tested on this sort of shit, if you don't know it then, you think people are going to remember it later on in life? Hell most people don't remember how to do long division.

>>34015390
>>34015249
>>34007697

Wtf are you on about? What is a natural equivalent? Name something specifically that is based of the imperial standard.

>>33998080
Literally no one but Americans care about that bastard sport.
80% of your movies are shit (but also have produced excellent movies).
Imperial is an archaic type of measurement, but since americans mindset can't get too far from 'murica your education will always suck.

>>33997171
And every measure. imperial units are retarded as fuck.

>>33997171
frog here, no they shouldn't.
The two systems coexist and it's absolutely fine. Sometimes the metric system is more accurate, sometimes the imperial units are more accurate. More over, they allow for discriminating what you're talking about, and this makes conversations way much easier to follow since you don't risk to mix up altitude with distances.

Plus, converting yards to meters is actually quite easy. 100 yards = roughly 90 meters. One meter = rougly 3 feets (30.48 cm) one mile = 1.6km.

Also it allows any person knowledgeable on the topic of guns to instantly spot an gun-illiterate individual. The kind of people saying stuff like
>"DOOD DEES EEZ NAHT A VEEVDEE BEE EMM GEE ID'Z A DWELVE BOIND ZEVUN MUHLUHMUHTURRR WHY YOU YUROPOORS NEVAH' LURN ?"
or like
>"HONHONHON LE 22 MILIMETRE LONG RIFLE IZ SO LE DANGEROUSSE CARTRIDGE YOU CAN DESTROYE LE AIRBUS WIZ IT ! Destroy le boeing iz fine zhough honhon stupide américains"

So I'll keep using imperial units as well as metric ones, thanks.

>>33997171
Message to Britshits:

Americans do not use "Imperial" units. We use US Customary units. Please figure this shit out. It's embarrassing to see you fuck up so badly and so continuously.

>>34018380
>One meter = rougly 3 feets (30.48 cm)
>Almost a 10% difference
>Quite easy
French "education"

>and this makes conversations way much easier to follow since you don't risk to mix up altitude with distances
Yeah because explaining that you want to buy 2 meters of rope instead of 34 King-noses of rope surely makes isn't a major difference...
Imperial is inferior

>>34018829
When counting in meters (and not kilometers) to indicate a location, I don't see the problem. Oh snap little Timmy will have to walk 10 more meters because you told him a hundred yards instead of a hundred meters. i cri everytiem

Sure you don't want that when indicating an altitude to a plane lost in some fucking clouds at night. Thank you captain obvious.

>Yeah because explaining that you want to buy 2 meters of rope instead of 34 King-noses of rope surely makes isn't a major difference...
>Imperial is inferior
What if you want 18 feet of rope ? Is it more easy to ask for 5 meters 48 centimeters and 64 milimeters of rope ? This works both ways m8.

What is easier ? .45 ACP or 11.43mm ?
How do you diffentiate between .357, .36, .38 ? They're all 9mm+something !
etc etc

Dual system is fine. Metric is easier and more accurate, imperial allows to segregate between measurements which is useful in many domains.

>>34018651
>Americans do not use "Imperial" units. We use US Customary units. Please figure this shit out. It's embarrassing to see you fuck up so badly and so continuously.
Sorry.
Do you want some FRENCH FRIES to go with your salt ?

>>34019561
>Americans eat French fries
>that makes US Customary units the same as Imperial units
British "education," everyone.

>>33997171
FUCK YOU, AND YOUR KILOMETERS, WHEN I'M DOING 180 IN A P-51 I want to be able to maneuver, not stall and realize that kilometers are the most shit unit of speed on the planet, I'll stick to knots, you fucking faggot.

>>34005448
Fahrenheit is a scientific measure believe it or not.

Where 0 Celsius is where fresh water freezes, 0 Fahrenheit is where water that has been saturated with sodium chloride freezes.

So you know that the oceans begin to freeze at 0 Fahrenheit.

>>33999660
NASA uses the best tool for the job, often mixing metric and imperial units when necessary.

>>34020142
>When dealing contractors that only work in imperial or with old systems.
FTFY

All new design work except above is in metric, all standards are defined in metric, new systems are built in metric as are tools. They use imperial when dealing with old systems, like with the SLS and their pants-on-head retarded mandate to use Space Shuttle tech on it.

>>34015390
Your post still doesn't make any sense; the flourishes are always nice, but don't help in conveying the message.
How are SI units based off imperial?

>>34020011
That would be because kilometers are a unit of distance, not speed.
You will also notice that knots use the nautical mile, that is itself based on the minute of arc and is not part of the imperial system. And is very useful in navigation because the Earth is round so we need to use conformal map projections. For speed and aerobatics, no so much.

Which means that airspeed in a mustang is labelled in mph, not kn.

>>34023554
>How are SI units based off imperial?
"Natural equivalents" you illiterate eurofag

>>34023554
Mate, >>34023738 is just a troll. If "natural equivalents" were anything he'd actually list something or explain what he thought that term meant.

The only thing called "natural equivalents" is some retarded wholefoods supplier.

>>34023780
Sorry, I'm from /tg/ and the trolls are more flamboyant there, so when I see someone spouting nonsense I just assume it's the language barrier.

I don't really care if we standardize ammo measurements but that's because we're not building an engine out of bullets. The gauge system is leagues dumber than anything else anyways, the number of balls of equal diameter you can make with 1 pound of lead.

>>34023780
>The only thing called "natural equivalents" is some retarded wholefoods supplier.
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Natural_equivalents

Stop calling things a troll because you can't be assed to think a bit with google. Celsius is based off of the freezing and boiling point of water, why wouldn't you expect other measurements to work like that? All measurement systems are incredibly arbitrary, what makes metric special is that they make everything easily divisible by 10 for the most part.

>>34023987
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Natural_equivalents
What the hell were you or whoever the retard was going on about?

The initial claim was "some metric standards, or natural equivalents, are based off the imperial standard." (>>34007697)

Nothing in that link backs that claim. All that says is that there was an attempt to define the Imperial measures in natural phenomenon, and that it was outmoded in almost 200 years ago.

There's a conceptual link of using measurable phenomenon to provide immutable standards but no SI units are based of imperial. (>>34015390)

>Celsius is based off of the freezing and boiling point of water
It was originally - now its a SI derived unit from Kelvin, which is defined by the triple point of water and absolute zero.

>What makes metric special is that they make everything easily divisible by 10 for the most part.
More importantly the consistency across different units all derived from the same 7 base units, but yes that is true enough. And nobody was denying that. What we were talking about was the claim that SI units were based off imperial.

>>33998789
>thats your only real space race accomplishment, the soviets beat you to everything else
What does that even mean. I was beating you until you did the hardest thing that we couldn't even do.

>>34024103
>What the hell were you or whoever the retard was going on about?
Not really sure where he was coming from claiming it went from Imperial->SI, but the claim that only the food company existed rubbed me raw considering my professor explicitly mentioned it at the start of Thermo when differentiating between the various unit systems.

>>34024103
>>34023987
And why say something the same way, 3 different times after multiple people asking for clarification. Especially when you're using outdated language only specifically relevant to 19th century act to get across what you're talking about that is relevant

Defined in terms of a "fundamental constant" or a "physical constant".

Its like using the term "philosophy" with no context and expecting people to understand you meant physics and medicine in the pre-1800s, rather than "philosophy" how its used now.

>>34024134
>>34024138
Sorry got frustrated

Obviously you were not retard-anon. Thank you for clarifying on his behalf.

>people unironically defending imperial units

American education...

This thread makes me sad.

All this talk of imperial v metric does make me wonder, how do Euros measure their wood for instance? We have a 2x4, do you just call it a 5x10 in cm?

>>34024167
Everything measured in mm but yes essentially. So "50x100 mil"

>>34010183
This post is dumbo gumbo. If the U.S. "loosing" the war means that they basically decided not to genocide your whole people, don't go on about it as a point of pride. Put Cesar in charge of that war and what's left of the Vietnamese people would be in chains.

>>34024167
2x4s aren't even 2x4, which makes it quite confusing for wood noobs

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>>34024207
I think people just like to keep chanting it to try to piss off Americans.

Over a million vietcong died by even the most conservative estimates. The South Vietnamese lost a quarter of that. Meanwhile 60k American soldiers died. It wasn't the "farmers in pajamas" that made us leave the war but rather hippies with too much free time.

>>34024207
The same can be said of the french (with operation Vautour) and the chinese (with a big nuclear stockpile).

On a sidenote:
>The only reason the soviet union "lost" the cold war is because they decided not to genocide the whole western world.
Technically true, but not all wars are fought until annihilation, and you still lost, fatass. It's not the viets faults if the means you've employed weren't up to your goals. They have the right to be prideful, they won against the top dog. That the US acted like complete retards is just the icing on the cake.

>>34024276
>They have the right to be prideful, they won against the top dog.
They flew away because of noisy college students flew back home more than anything. Their losses were literally single digit percentages relative to the vietcong.

I mean you can keep shitposting if you want but to call it even a phyric victory is beyond generous. This is more amusing than anything.

>>34019561
>5 meters 48 centimeters and 64 milimeters
That is a very strange way to write 5544mm, which in turn is a weirdly specific length for a rope. You wouldn't ask for 18 feet 2 17⁄64 inches of rope, so why would you ask for 5544mm? It's almost as if you don't understand the metric system and have this image of it that it's all scientific mumbo jumbo.

>>34019561
>What is easier ? 9mm or .357 ?
>How do you diffentiate between 11.43mm, 11.48mm ? They're both .45 !

>>34024207
That there was no morally acceptable way to win doesn't mean it wasn't a loss. It just means it was fucking retarded to get involved to begin with.

>>34024262
>Over a million vietcong died by even the most conservative estimates. The South Vietnamese lost a quarter of that. Meanwhile 60k American soldiers died.

By kill count Germany defeated USSR in WW2. Counting bodies is what your propaganda guy do when you fail to achieve your actual strategic objectives, possibly because no one has managed to figure out what the fuck those are.

>>33997171
If you're too mentally challenged to convert imperial to metric, maybe you shouldn't have a gun.

>>34024305
I wouldn't call it a pyrrhic, the Paris accords were a joke, the commies continued to provide help to the insurgents, invaded the south and reunited vietnam. Strategically they couldn't hope for more.

>>34024316
Wouldn't they rather say 5,544m or 554,4cm, though?

>>34011434
>>34007249
>>34006184
Sorry to ruin your illusion but the pic is just wrong as fuck.

>>34024646
>Wouldn't they rather say 5,544m or 554,4cm, though?
In a blueprint it would be written as 5544mm. If it was just the answer to a physics question or something, you'd probably use 5.544m. For any normal purpose, it would be rounded up to 5.6m or down to five and a half. For the initial example of how much rope to get, you'd round it up to a nice even 6m.

>>34024731
Ok. Thanks for the answer.

Metric and Imperial have their places.

I'd hate to be a plumber or carpenter and try to get .4 meter lomg [ieces of material to fit in a job where you often need wiggle room and cleaner division between units.

Likewise, it is an absolute bitch to have my Ford/Chevy/Dodge up in the air, playing "guess the size" when I'm trying to do a fluid flush, because they only half changed to metric all those years ago and never actually went all the way because muh 'murican truk.

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>>34001289
>clocks are base 60
revolutionary France tried metric time

>>33999660
Not until 2007

>>33997171
yes

>>34007051
A meter is a step. Same has the yard.
A centimeter is a pinky finger width.
The most used mechanical pencil has a 1/2mm tip. If im not mistaken, US army standard is actually that.

>>34024785
>I'd hate to be a plumber or carpenter and try to get .4 meter lomg [ieces of material to fit in a job where you often need wiggle room and cleaner division between units.
This doesn't make sense. Metric is no more or less precise than imperial. You still get pipe/timber/stock to the round number like you do with USCU.

> because they only half changed to metric
Half conversions are total bullshit though, pick one and stick with it. Either one is better than halfway between

>>34006322
>Shitting on oatmeal
Mein neg-
>/k
>Not /k/
Heed your own advice and get out.

>>33997234
Thous are still in base ten you dingus.
Go back to school.

>>34006763
Metric user here, and I agree with you on your criticism of metric. Stuff like "decametres" (10/1th of a meter) is never used, though "decilitre" (1/10th of a litre) is somewhat common in cooking.

However unless you are using blueprints very few people use millimetres for anything bigger than a centimetre. Most people I know give their height in meters - e.g. "1.92 meters" - while some tossers does say "192 centimetres". I've never met a single person using millimetres to define their height.

The decimal point complaint of yours is in my opinion not withstanding; I've seen the exact same problem when people use feet and inches. Not that I disagree, it is still annoying.

>>34030449
> Most people I know give their height in meters - e.g. "1.92 meters" - while some tossers does say "192 centimetres

Where are you from? Who the fuck gives their height in meters? Its all cm, even on forms and shit.

One-ninety-two not One-Point-Nine-Two.

>>34030791
>Who the fuck gives their height in meters?
Like I said, most people I know.
>One-ninety-two not One-Point-Nine-Two.
Maybe you and I are just misunderstanding each other, because "one-ninety-two" is how people say it. They don't say "I am one-hundred-and-ninety-two centimetres tall".

>>34030834
>Like I said, most people I know.
Where are you from?

>"one-ninety-two" is how people say it
Skipping the hundred is common, that doesn't meant they're saying it in metres. If you asked how much I paid for a shitbox secondhand car and I said Six Fifty, it would be obvious I meant Six Hundred and Fifty.

>>34030978
>If you asked how much I paid for a shitbox secondhand car and I said Six Fifty, it would be obvious I sound retarded

>>33999942
Every college class in the US that deals with units of measurement is done so in metric.
At least that was my experience.

>>34031004
>retard thinks people call it a SIG SG Five Hundred and Fifty

>>34031138
>Not calling it Fass 90
It is like you don't even know how to get on people's nerves.

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>>34031056
>I never went to a polytechnic school

nobody cares how womens studies majors measure things

>>34031183
Please, I want to know how many cans of hair color one nose piercing is worth.

The fuck guys? how the hell are you so butthurt over imperial vs metric?

I'm not American so use the metric system but I still use imperial to measure my dick sometimes and also uh some of my tools are in imperial.

As for the sperg who said you say your height in a whole number that's not really what people do. They say shit like 1 meter and 83 CM or something.

Fucking reee

>>34031183
>I never went to a polytechnic school

Neither did you apparently, or at least not in the last decade or two. Unless you actually meant "technical colleges".

I hate the metric meme. Base 10 is retarded, base 12 master race.

>>34031056
You experienced every college class in the US?

>>34031056
>Every class

Bitch go to a maritime academy. That shit's all in nautical miles.