What is the best 9mm handgun on the planet and why is it the

yes!!I have a wilson combat beretta and is a work of art and very accurate.

I agree with you

Shooting mine is like shooting a rifle, it never misses

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-85f-380-acp-7rd-pistol-used-good-condition

opinions? i'm a manlet so was thinking a smaller pistol would be better for my hands.

>>33993212
treat yourself and get one, they're in good condition

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>>33993136
P228 > 92

Can't decide if I want a M9a3 or Wilson 92g. Which is better

>>33993136
I like my 92fs. Extremely dependable and eats anything. Never had a ftf or fte

>>33993560
not aesthetic enough

>>33993136
What are you using it for? I got no problems if your using it for range or HD. But for carry there are much better options.

>>33993560
Lolno.

>>33993136

Thats not how you spell "CZ SP01" or "Glock 19"

>>33993560
>BORE AXIS

>>33993560
enjoy your high bore axis

>>33993136
Really great gun. I have a 92c inox. Someday I'll plunk down the cash for a Wilson Combat 92g.

>>33993136

i want a ruger 9e

asthetic
reliable
battle proven
OP is right on this one

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>>33993136
Beretta master race

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>>33993136
>

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>>33993136
>mfw beretta will not make a 92 in 357 sig

>>33994446
Just get a 96 and drop a 357 sig barrel into it

>>33994446
Get a 96 and im sure someone makes a conversion barrel for it.

>>33993212
Stop giving money to the classic jew

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My constant companion, my bodyguard, my friend...... No other gun has done better for me than she has. She is the favorite. My Italian queen.

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>>33993136
I don't know that it is the best, but it is favorite. I am looking forward to trying the 92 compact.
>>33994446
https://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=Beretta

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>>33993560
>Lets put a fucking brick on a frame

Truly unironically thinking this gun is the best is the highest form of autism.

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>>33993136
Not sure why it is, but I know what you're talking about.

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Steyr m9 a best and a cutest m9

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Why are these motherfuckers so hard to find? I've never seen one in person and I've been looking for one for almost a decade now.

>>33996012
You have to catch them again the right time. Buds had some around Nov of last year for about 250 that were surplus from Israel. At least if you want the one without the rail.

They are easier to find if you search for "baby eagle" if you don't mind not having the "jericho 941" stamp.

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>>33993136
My 92a1. I replaced the original polymer parts with WC steel parts

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>>33996236

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I have the weirdest boner for one of these.

I almost nabbed a decocker-only version from CDNN, but they screwed up the order.

>>33996236
This model has a recoil buffer similar to the px4 or the hk usp?

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>>33993136
>What is the best 9mm handgun on the planet
all memes beside, pic related

>>33996438

For sheer practicality, yes , g19 is king. A gun is just a tool anyhow. Aesthetics considered - yeah, 92 or 226 ftw.

>>33996438
This. I say this as a huge DA/SA nerd that likes the PX4 and P226.

It's quite humorous that people here legit get butthurt when you suggest a new shooter a Glock 19.

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>>33993136
Please

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>>33993136
>tfw you didn't jump on the surplus 92s train when it came
>tfw no retired Italian cop qt with a heel release

>>33996631
I'm a big fan of saying nothing is best because each user is different with needs and wants. Some stuff is great but if someone says what's the best handgun for everything. .. the g19 is my go to. It's simple, takes abuse, cheap, can hold a lot of rounds, good chamber size, light enough, not bad recoil, can conceal, accurate, fool proof... you get my point. A g19 isn't perfect but every gun owner should give them respect due. Full disclosure I don't own one because I'm a hammer fag.

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>>33993698
>>33993707
>>33993735
>>33995882

>>33996414
Yeah it has a factory recoil buffer. I can post pics when I get home

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>>33993136
I can only speak as a current service member with as much or more time on the M9 as anyone in this thread. I fucking hate the M9. It's Xbox huge next to any other comparable 9mm and I've seen multitudes of locking blocks break. I'm thankful that I get to use a G19. I also think that transitioning to the SIG to replace the M9 is a dumb idea too. They could've just pushed the 19 service wide, but muh shekels and contracts.

>>33996694
The turn of the last century called; they want their mag release back.

>>33996792
There's nothing wrong with a heel magazine release.

>>33996303
U can get a safety lever from Beretta.com that converts any 92 to a G

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Oh look. One of these threads again. Sorry mantlets about your tiny hands. Need help with that pickle jar?

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>>33996776
A lot barrels have replacement locking blocks not constructed out of spec materials and with low QC. It's also the first part to fail on the handgun and since most armorers are shit, they don't keep track of rounds fired or perform proper quarterly services. Blame your armorer or FSC for not keeping up on maintenance.

Or. since you think you're so high speed, perform a proper before-PMCS on the weapon and annotate worn parts on the 5988/2404 like you're supposed to. But you won't, because you're just some meddac/mi fag larping online as a sf canidate.

Also, what the fuck is this shit about it being big? It's a full size pistol and not really bigger than any other full size.

>>33996776
This could've been a good opinion, but since you ain't Cav, you ain't SHIT

>>33995661
>>33995668
>>33995865
there's no real difference in a 92 frame and a 96 frame. it's only the barrel. and beretta strongly recommends against using a aftermarket 357 sig barrel on any of their pistols not rated for 357 sig.

>>33997226
What about a 96 brigadier?

>>33996885
On a combat sidearm? Yeah sure, that's why their so prevalent today right?

>>33997500
*they're

>>33997226
Is there any difference in the pressure from a standard .40 and a 357 sig? I wouldn't imagine they're much different, just Beretta covering it's ass.

>>33997509
(You)

>>33997500
If we're being specific, then yeah, it's less prevalent for service pistols because it's less tactical. Magazines are more disposable today, so it's easier to just drop em.

For concealed pistols though, the increased retention of a heel release is excellent.

>>33997689
He said there's nothing wrong with a heel mag release. You admit there is definitely something wrong, to the point that they are only justifed on deeply concealed pocket pistols, which the P210 is not. In fact no 9mm is truly a pocket gun including the Kahr PM9. Thus, guns with heel mag releases do not belong in this thread.

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>>33993136

nah

>>33997941
The hell am I looking at?

>>33997991
B&T USW

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Alright Anon's. Bidding war starts for this. What do you give up for one besides money?

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>>33997991

you are looking at what glock should have done with their gen 5 lineup but instead got cucked by swiss engineering

you are probably looking at the future concept of duty carry guns in a militarizing police state as well

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>>33998186
>swiss engineering
>just a shitty CZ

fits. the swiss haven't made a good gun ever anyway. overhyped trash, all of their guns.

>>33997941
>>33998186
>>33998238
Is this a joke?

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My shield and sword , my project and my gun until I die.

>>33997495
the only pistol that beretta made for the 357 sig was the cougar 8357. from what i have heard, it had some pretty bad issues. not blowing up your hand issues, but malfunction issues. i think after that, beretta just didn't want to have issues with a specific round tarnish their name.

>>33997616
you can still find kits online for 9 series, but supposedly the beretta mags have issues feeding 357 sig. 357 sig has 10% higher pressure on average over 9mm and .40s&w. general rule of thumb for conversions is that if the pistol for the conversion is made in 10mm, then it can handle 357 sig.

>>33998146
2013 GLI

>>33993136
Couldn't agree more. My 92FS is my favorite handgun by far. Feels good, smooth shooting, always accurate, eats anything, and just all around awesome. Had it about 7 years now, at one point I was so broke I ate Ramen noodles for a week, quit smoking cold turkey, and sold my least favorite rifles to keep the power on...but never entered my mind to give up the 92FS.

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>>33998238

this is the future of duty carry guns, ugly plastic shit with stocks and blinky light boxes

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it really is the best. Our Mother decided

>>33998531
Why did she take down that video?

>>33993136

I was thinking about purchasing one myself, but I'm not sure whether to get the 9mm or 40 s&w. Any anons with experience have an opinion?

>>33998570
Get both.

In all honesty, it's just preference on caliber. The guns will preform great with either one.

There are far more model options for 9mm though. So if you want anything besides standard, like inox, compact, brigadier, or vertec, go with 9mm.

>>33998570
get a 96 and get a 9mm barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFO1SFnVFJA

>>33998539
Probably embarrassed she flinched.

>>33998866
i thought it was a cute flinch though

>>33993136
I'm a tiny manlet with woman-sized hands, would a full sized 92 be too big for me?

>>33996012
They pop up on gunbroker but most of them have been snatched up by collectors. The price is only going up on these or people selling the barrels for a kings ransom. If you really want one save your money and wait cause it wont be cheap.

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>>33994312
>APX

>>33998531
>reloads mag full of snapcaps
>hard flinch/blinks

>>33996986
>makeameme.org
I laughed

>>33995904
Agree

>>33996705
http://www.jgsales.com/mobile/beretta-92s-semi-auto-pistol,-9mm,-4.9-barrel,-early-italian-s-model,-black,-g-vg,-used.-p-93312.html

You can still find them for cheap

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>>33993212
I just bought one

>>33999619
its pretty beat up but the barrel and internals are all in good shape

>>33998146
I will murder one person of the sellers choice, two if I get the gun in advance.

>>33998146
My butts virginity.

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Is this the thread where we post our current flavor of the month gun choice and shit all over everybody else and their tastes?

>>33999783
>p30L
>not a luxury glock
Yes it is.

I want one for the John Wick factor tho

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>>33999783
Sure.

>>33993699
75B is better imho and glocks are gay.

>>33993179
I'm a fan of DA/SA pistols, I've had a new Wilson Combat 92G on backorder since January. Looking forward to getting it later this summer, hopefully.

>>33993560
Have shot both, 92 series superior in every way.

>>33993605
They're very, very similar. Depends on the color you want, basically. Most of the work is the same. Biggest difference is the grip.

M9A3 has an overgrip that mimics the normal 92 grip, but also has the thinner Vertec grip. The Wilson 92G will have an inbetweener grip that isn't quite as big as 92, but not as narrow as Vertec.

The Wilson comes as a G unit (decocker only) while the M9A3 can be converted to G easily, but with a little more cost.

The M9A3 does come with 3 improved magazines though, that are treated to be sand resistant and should function better in more conditions.

The A3 also has a beveled mag well, can't remember if the Wilson does.

And of course the A3 comes with a standard threaded barrel if thats legal where you live. A3 also has a 3 slot rail, I think Wilson has a 2 slot.

The Wilson has more steel parts in it, but to be honest, that's more of a mental selling point than a functional one, as all the polymer on the M9A3 is super durable.

>>33996438
>>33996631
>>33996688
How is a gun with a distinct lack of features "The best." How are we defining "best?"

There is a long list of things wrong with the G19 that are legitimate. Being stupid simple does not mean it is inherently the best. There's things wrong from aesthetics, if you care, to internals, to trigger, to grip angle.

Why do you think every serious Glock user spends another $600 to improve it?

The biggest complaint about the Glock today is that it hasn't changed basically ever and it's price has never gone down.

It is overpriced for what it is in the year 2017. The Beretta APX and S&W Shield are both cheaper than the Glock. The Shield is A LOT cheaper.

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Played around with a rental 92fs after doing my usual Glock 17 Gen 4 shooting.

Dat SA trigger is sex. Managed to hit some rounds close together on my first magazine at 7 yrds, even with dogshit Remington UMC 9x19mm ammo. The factory sights seem to be better as well. Size isn't nearly as bad as people say it is.

I liked it before, but I'm really thinking about getting one eventually.

>>33993136
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6VfMo9dzuA

Weapon is better than fine. Over the beach test.

>>33993560
Not at least sayin 226. Pleb.

>>33995904
>Striker fired

>>33996745
B T F O
F
O

>>33999619
Hows the heel release working out for you? Awkward or decent when you get used to it?

>>33994312
How did they make the APX so goddamn ugly?
[Spoiler]and how do you like it[/spoiler]

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>>33996012
Just picked up my Baby Desert Eagle III, close enough for me. And I've got a Glock 30. Now where do I get a new Walther P99 AS 9mm full size? I can't leave out Jet. I can only find 40 slow and weak.

>>34000933
Do they make versions with frame mounted safeties?

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>>33993136
Its not even the best steel frame 9mm
I think CZ, Sig and Jericho are all better
Jericho wins for aesthetics, Sig wins for machining and action, CZ wins because the Shadow has 20rnd mags
The best thing it has is Die Hard and its objectively the worst gun in Die Hard except for maybe carls S&W
I would like to shoot 2 of them silenced for some Boodock Saints/Matrix operating, but just about everything else is better

>>34001128
it has a fixed barrel doesn't it?

M9 great for suppressors

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>>33995798

What's wrong with the trigger?

>>33993136
I like the colt 1911 :DD

>>33994365
USP>P30L> all other guns

>>33996688
>It's quite humorous that people here legit get butthurt when you suggest a new shooter a Glock 19.
That never happens.
When people ask about buying a handgun for a new shooter 99 of the first 100 replies are G19, the last is CZ75.

>>34001244
P30L is kind of wide though

>>33996438
>>33996631
WRONG

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/160140_High-round-count-pistols--100-000---observations.html&page=13

He owns BattleField Vegas, this biggest shooting range in the world. He says Glock are crap, they last couple months and die. He like Sigs, HK's Berettas, and the FN 57

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Probably a CZ or variant

Sigs are nice but they aren't $1K nice

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>>34001244
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>>34001272
Install the fatty grips for maximum thicc

>>34001273

>Trusting the owner of a tourist trap.

>>34001378
>Not trusting a guy whose job is taking guns to the end of their service life daily
>trusting a kommando who shoots once a year.
hmmmmm.

>>33993707
>>33993735
Bore axis is fine. Beretta 92 is smooth as fuck

>>34001313
I think CZ75's are a good design, but in my experience, CZ's manufacturing and/or QC sucks ass. I bought an Omega, and the recess in the frame was machined too large to hold the trigger bar spring, rendering the gun inoperable after a few dozen rounds worked it free from the burrs. So people on forums told me 'you fucking faggot, buy a plain 75b", which I did and had the trigger spring break on me on my second range trip, which was about 2-300 rounds in. I have since replaced many of the parts with CGW and it's a much better gun now, but I wouldn't trust my safety to any off the rack CZ after my experiences. I'm curious about Sphinx since it's supposed to be a better quality CZ clone.

>>34001508
I'm told that the original Swiss models are the best and when they were bought out in 2010 production moved to the US and quality suffered. The company went from super target pistols to making less expensive normal civilian models like compacts. So they're kind of like SIG now.

>>34001244
Sure if you have manlet hands.

>>34001273
2 true. glockfags like to confuse reliability with durability. but most people wont fire 100,000 rounds through a gun in their life time so there's that to consider.

>>34001313
Sig have been overpriced for a good... forever, now.

>>34001508
IMHO CZs have the most ergonomic and pleasant design, but they suffer from occasional QC issues and suffer from a somewhat antiquated and random problem proned design. That being said most CZs are fine and the company has certainly been making moves to remedy these problems in recent years. Modernizing a 40+yr old wonder nine design while keeping costs low is kinda hard.

>>34001809
>Modernizing a 40+yr old wonder nine design while keeping costs low

I thought that was the point of the Omega system. They claimed that it was less expensive, more robust, and easier to work on. I think that was all marketing BS. After owning both and working on both, the original seems heartier and just as difficult to work on.

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>>34001085
The IWI Jericho is that way. But Spike's was the frame safety. And I normally carry Berettas anyway, so that's what I'm used to and prefer.

>>34001957
This is what I always hear, but in atleast some of the early episodes he has one with a slide mounted safety.

Don't let Spike's mid season switch limit your dreams Anons

>>34001991
Really? Now I'll have to autistically rewatch the show.

>>33996012
>>34001957
>>34001991
>>34002007
>tfw you missed the $300 Jericho's and can only find baby eagles and the new polymer abominations.

Life is suffering

>>34001957
I don't like slide safeties, especially such a small slide to begin with with very little material to grab onto when racking the slide.

Though I suppose you could just palm rack it.

>>34002007
Yea, just started myself a few days ago.

IIRC in episode two or three(when they find ein) spike points his gun at the guy he mistakenly thinks is his bounty at the pet shop. in the scene you can clearly see a slide mounted safety on his Jericho.

>>34002082
The deagle brand jericho seems pretty nice though, I'm looking forward to shooting it.

>>33996776
I'm guessing you're some POG pushing his service to claim some kind of credibility. To that I say kick rocks, of course service pistols that have been beat to high hell are gonna have issues.

>>34000896

I got used to it right away. I was actually just at the range firing this and an HK45 and every time i went to release the HK mag i went for the heel instead of the trigger guard.

>>34001128
i have no idea what people see in Jerichos. Maybe it's just me, but it just doesn't look good. Is it animu factor?

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>>33996745
Rekt

>>33995676
I've had good experiences all around with classic though, will give them my business until they fuck me over not when some random noguns online tells me too

>>34001273
He's full of shit.

Here is his own armorer saying otherwise: https://youtu.be/PApRcRE-ft8?t=579

>>33994312
>Beretta master race

that's a zenith firearms cheetah ripoff in the bottom right though

>>33998434
The future looks aesthetic af.

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bought these in January and still haven't fired either...

I have a 92fs and a 96fs. I am thinking of trading the 96, do I keep it, go with an M9 or another 92fs? Thanks for the input.

>>33996745
They're the same height in that picture, but the grip position if they remained static are completely different by almost an inch. The left one easily a lower bore axis.

Not that this even matters on a standard issue military sidearm.

>>34000910
>and how do you like it
As I mentioned in another thread, it's a fine shooter. Took it and a Q5 Match to the range and I prefer the APX. Trigger pull and reset I think is better on the APX.

>>34004039
Do you carry that Cheetah? If so, what holster do you use?

>>34004028
>cheetah ripoff
Yes it is, and was half the price of the unobtainium (around here) 84FS. It'll make a nice first shooter gift to one of my kids when I get a real Cheetah.

>>34004258

don't carry it because I don't have a holster plus the fact that I haven't yet fired it
>>34004261
where do you live? If any LGS uses Sport South as a distributor, they'll be able to get one. I ordered a bunch of them to my gun counter with the sole intention of purchasing one that way

>>33995798
>apothic
Ahh, the choice of 43yo women on their second marriage or 22yo sorority girls trying to classy by "being into wine"

>>34004286
J84F200M - Out of stock.
Thanks for the distributor name 'tho.

>>34000104
75B is amazing in .40S&W. You wouldn't know unless you lived in CA.

>>33993605
Both are great - do you want black or FDE?

cheetas in .380 stovepipe like a motherfucker. come at me

>>34004420
are you saying this based on experience with firing multiple 84s/85s, or just off the fact that you're too much of a bitch to rack the slide?

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>>33993136

>Beretta M9
>Not CZ 75
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

...oh wait you're serious.
I'm sorry you were dropped as a baby OP.

>>34000910
I love the apx physically, what don't you like?

>>33999708
I can't think of anything to top you senpai. Fuck that's good.

>>33993136

This.

I'll be getting an M9 in a couple of weeks, now.

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>>34002099
What I normally find myself doing is racking the slide with the safety itself as a place to grab. That might be a bad idea though, I'm not sure if it'll eventually cause damage to the safety.

>>34005989
Sounds more like you'd hurt your fingers when the slide snaps forward, like the charging handle on an AK.