Baretta and Ruger are shit

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>Baretta

Try buying guns somewhere other than Khyber pass

>>33981888
PX4 is a great gun though. It's just in an odd spot between people who like DA/SA metal and striker fired polymer.

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>>33981888

>>33981953
I just want a green PX4 because I'm a massive weeb

>>33982016
get one and just paint the frame with krylon or some shit, the ones that come green stock are unobtainium.

>>33981953
>>33982040
fuck, forgot to take off my name. check on whittaker firearms, they have em for like $410 right now.

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>>33982016
git gud

>>33981888
It's spelled Beretta lol. You're shit.

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>>33982064
...God, I want one again. Still the best .40 I've ever shot, even over my M&P

>>33982040
>>33982064
It's far from my highest priority, I'm willing to wait.

>>33982064
>looooong barrel
how do you even get a spresser mounted without it fucking itself with the rotating barrel?

>>33982094
shoot it in Australia?

>>33982094
You don't. Silencerco actually tested it on camera, they couldn't do it. Shame, sure there's a way to do it, but it's a fool's errand to design it for all of two guns.

What's the green weeb reference? It's escaping me right now.

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>>33982133

>>33982104
>>33982133
iirc there's some animu that has a character who uses an OD PX4. never seen't it so iunno if it's shit or what it's called.
I've seen PX4 suppressors on Beretta's website but of course they don't sell them to anyone, probably use some fucky clamp or lug to keep it from unthreading or welding itself.

>>33982133
>>33982157
y-yeah that
it wasn't a good show but for some reason I have a soft spot for it

>>33982178
Really? I think I'd heard about that before, never saw it though. That's what I figured, some oppositional rotating bearing or clamp or some shit.

It seems like it'd be a joke, but the Silencerco test showed the suppressor visibly unscrewing itself every rotation. I really do wonder how they did it, assuming they didn't remove them because they didn't actually work.

>>33982178
I wonder of locktite would work

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>>33981888

I actually like my SR9, soft shooting and reliable, not going to say it's the best gun out there or if I had another full size gun it wouldn't be my go-to but I'll probably never sell my SR9

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>>33981888
>Baretta is a piece of shit

Try buying the real thing instead of some knock-off brand.

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Love Barettas

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>>33981888
>Baretta

>Why does it seem like
>seem

Because somehow you got that stupid fucking idea in your head, based on nothing and have so far been too retarded to correct your ignorance

>>33981888
>beretta
>shit
You are wrong, kys my dude

t. A happy 92 series owner

Since no one has addressed OP's point involving Ruger, I will:

They've really gotten their act together since Bill Ruger died. They are the fastest of all of the major manufacturers in responding to market trends, and they are able to both make good firearms at a more competitive price point than most of the competition and also make those good firearms in America. On top of all of this, their customer service is probably the best in the industry.

There are other companies--modern Colt, Springfield Armory, and modern Remington--that are far more deserving of our ire than the likes of Ruger.

>>33983116
Ruger's the best pure American company at this point I think, Smith & Wesson might be second, just for variety of products.

But I mean, don't a lot of the companies now manufacture in America? Even if you buy FNH you might as well be buying American.

>>33983116
My theory on that: people just hate cast parts.

>>33983116
>>33983274
This, all day, this.

Ruger has so quickly become a solid brand it's insane.

>>33983913
>implying Ruger haven't always been a solid brand with a fudd CEO and minor setbacks.

>>33983961
Part of a brand is its reputation, and that fudd was shitting the bed.

Now that he's gone...

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Real PX4 hours

who up???

>Have Glock 17.
>Would like a Beretta 92 or M9 so I can have a DA/SA hammer pistol in 9mm.

Yes/no?

>>33986332
Go for it. M9's are fucking great. A PX4 is equally a good choice.

>>33986332
Yes.
Long time G19 drone here, and I fucking love my 92A1.

>>33986432
Different guy here. Do you feel the 92a1 is a better buy than the Brigadier?

>>33986436
I have never handled or shot the brigadier, but from what I understand its really just a reinforced slide and a different grip.

I liked the a1 as it comes with a 17round mag rather than the standard 15 and I don't hand load my rounds or run hot enough loads to really warrant the slide.

>>33986332
>>Have Glock 17.
The 92 is a good DA/SA gun, but be warned that the gun gets the most hate from glawkbabies who can't get out of their comfort zone.

If this is just going to be a range toy, try looking into getting a PT92 from Taurus which is basically just a discount 92. Or get one of the many old police 92S that seem to flooding the used market for ~$250.

>>33986436
>Do you feel the 92a1 is a better buy than the Brigadier?

Personally I think the -A1 series has more to offer than a Brig specifically the rail, the internal buffer, the captive spring/rod assembly, and it also comes with the 17rd mags as standard.

The Brig's main selling point is the slide which is reinforced "heavy-duty" profile and has dove tailed front sights. It also comes with the Hogue wrap-around grip which people either like or hate. The thing to remember is that most modern 90-series pistols come with dovetail sights and the grips have always been interchangeable and realistically you'll never have to worry about slide durability if you're not constantly shooting ridiculously over-pressured rounds through them. However despite that, Brigadier pistols (or rather their slides) tend hold more value in the used market so they have a sort of aficionado/collectors' appeal. Also, while they don't come standard with the new 17rd mags, they will take them.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Brig frame has the 92F style "combat" trigger guard while the -A1 has the smooth, rounded one. You may find one more suitable to your grip than the other.

Am I the only one sitting here hoping Beretta will make the PX4 in a 5" barrel?

>>33987133
I want this to happen as well. I shot a rental px4, and liked it. It would be interesting if that would help the rotating barrel reduce more recoil due to the heavier barrel.
I also just prefer duty sized handguns. I ain't gonna ccw while still in college.

>>33981888
>>33981953
I actually held a PX4 yesterday, it seemed alright but I wasn't really impressed. It didn't help that it was right after I'd checked out a CZ75 (probably what I'm gonna end up buying) and then a USP, though.

>>33983913
I think the only thing they're really missing at this point is a better industrial designer. Their stuff still looks too cheap and cheesy, especially anything polymer, if they could get over that they could be an even bigger player.

>>33987057
Glawk fans are just mad they dont have Beretta AESTHETICS.

They admittedly have their weaknesses (namely, being Xbox huge), but you cant go wrong with them unless you are of small frame and trying to cc it.

>>33983116
Im 99% sure the best customer service goes to Hipoint, tbf. Iirc, didnt an anon send back a hipoint pistol so mangled by an angle grinder that only the serial number was recognizable with a note that said "sorry" and they sent him a new one?

>>33987257
>I think the only thing they're really missing at this point is a better industrial designer. Their stuff still looks too cheap and cheesy, especially anything polymer, if they could get over that they could be an even bigger player.
You may have a point. The SR9 is ironically one of the most attractive striker pistols on the market, but dosen't offer much else to make it competitive. Maybe if they redesigned that LCI and thumb safety, and then made some other changes to make them as uber-durable as their competitors(assuming they already aren't) they'd be a more viable option. The American pistol is fucking hideous and doesn't offer anything over a S&W or SIG that I can see, and the stocks on the American rifles don't need to be nearly as ugly as they are to remain cheap/functional either

>>33987339
>Im 99% sure the best customer service goes to Hipoint
that goes to SCCY

love the fact that this started as a Beretta hate thread and went another way.

>>33986363
>>33986432

>>33986332 here, what ammo do you feed through your 92/M9? My Glock 17 loves Speer Lawman 124 gr. If that ammo works well in a 92/M9 too, that saves me lots of money.

>>33987057

It's going to be a range toy, but I don't see why I shouldn't spend the extra cash and get something NIB instead of lol Tarsus, even if it is decent. I mean, I'm already going to be blowing a lot, a few extra isn't going to kill me to get something fresh from a trusted manufacturer.

>>33982217
>Not liking Canaan
Heretic.

>>33988279
>it wasn't a good show but for some reason I have a soft spot for it

>>33981888

Are you joking? Have you even owned a Beretta? I have one and I love it.

Ruger, on the other hand, it's pretty cheaply made.

>>33981888
Literally wot. Ruger has never made an unreliable gun and Beretta's guns* are God tier.

*Their rifles are usually shit

>>33988563
Are their rifles made by someone else and only stamped with their name? Because Beretta shotguns are pretty much the best production doubles in existence. The only ones that will be better are bespoke pieces that typically cost over $5000 dollars.

>>33983116
Remington is great lol. You cucks that talk about poor finishing and bad QC are mouthbreathers. Their cheap basic bitch lines are of course lower quality than their proper guns. Not to mention all of their subsidiaries. DPMS, for example; makes the BEST production AR-10, and is now the model for all others to copy.

>>33987339
>Glawk fans are just mad they dont have aesthetics.

ftfy

>>33988997
I hope you are just being a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian and do not actually believe what you are saying.

Let's look at the mountain of evidence against Remington:

Remington, after claiming for years that accidents with the Remington 700 were caused by user error and not bad product design, took a settlement where they were forced to replace the firing control group of any Remington 700 family product for free, including shipping.

The R51 was an unmitigated disaster not once, but twice. They are somehow unable to make a working version of a pistol made by the same company a century ago.

The RP9 offers nothing over any of its competitors and is picky about ammo due to the weight of the massive slide.

Their 1911s offer nothing over any of their competitors in terms of features or price.

Every single Marlin firearm that's now being produced by Remington is demonstrably of lower quality than ones that were made 20 years ago.

Every single new 870 that isn't a Police or Wingmaster has problems extracting because of how rough the chambers are. What makes matters worse is that their finish is just a paint that offers no real protection from rust AND that the Chinese copies of the 870 are both cheaper and of better build quality than actual ones.

All of the ammunition they make is loaded anemically.

The only gun they make these days that isn't plagued with issues is the RM380, and that's because it's just a rebranded Rohrbaugh. To know all of this and still claim that "Remington is great lol" requires either next level hipsterism/delusion or means that you are one of their paid shills. I'm betting on the latter.

>>33981888
M9s can be comfy and Ruger makes good stuff too, maybe not the most popular in the tacticoool realm, but they're even working on that. Their 10/22s and Mark whatevers are very popular as are their revolvers and subcompact CC guns. I even shot one of their 1911s that wasn't bad. They're pretty solid all around and actually listen to their customer base.

>>33989195
>when you really liked the 380 and thought this was indicative of most Remington handguns

Glad I found this out now.

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Does anyone have an opinion on the Pico?
I really want a pocket 380 and I hear alot about the LCP and Bodyguard, but never about this and I actually really like the look of it.

>>33989602
According to Gun Jesus and Autistic Nazi it's a piece of shit

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>>Ruger sucks LOL
>>Doesn't know about the Match Champion
You might get it right one day, Brohan. But not today.

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>buying a BARetta PX4 when you could actually have a good rotating barrel handgun instead

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>>33987133
I really want a longslide PX4 speced out by Ernest Langdon like the Compact Carry.
>>33987201
To be fair, the Compact shoots ridiculously flat. I have 2 of them.

>>33988209
I don't own an M9 but I shoot 115gr Lawman out of my PX4 Compact. M9's aren't really picky with ammo and are actually very reliable. You will be fine with the ammo you already have as Lawman is quality as it is.

>>33989602
I would advise against buying the Pico. It's competitively priced, looks really slick, and has better sights than most guns of its kind, but it has some massive problems that make it a bad choice. IIRC:

*The first iteration of the gun had an incredibly stiff recoil spring that made it difficult for your average person to rack.

*The grip is poorly designed. It is smooth polymer with no texturing, which makes it hard to keep a firm grip on the gun and causes the gun to move excessively in the hand when firing.

*The gun cannot be dry fired, because dry fire will cause the firing pin to break despite the Pico being a centerfire gun.

If you really want a pocket .380, you're better off with the LCP II.

>>33989602
Look into a Glock 42.
>larger aftermarket including sight options from Trijicon, Ameriglo and Dawson Precision
>large amount of holster options
>more reliable than every other .380
>very shootable

Now, it is bigger than an LCP or Bodyguard but the 42 is vastly much more shootable than any other 380. You might not be able to pocket carry it but carrying it AIWB or IWB is a literal non issue and the drawstroke will be much quicker than fishing around your pocket for your LCP or Bodyguard.

>>33988563
The only thing wrong with Beretta's rifles was because a couple of retards who didn't know what they were doing redesigned the top rail of the ARX and fucked it up. And even then you can fix it by putting in a roll pin.

>>33989935
While the 42 is a fine pistol, and I don't hate Glocks, don't listen to this guy.

The LCP has been around forever, has tons of holsters. You don't need Glock brand Glock reliable Glock all solving Glock aftermarket. The claim it's more reliable is pretty tenuous. It's shootable, but so is the LCP II, and the bodyguard.

What the 42 is also known as is more expensive and with less capacity than most competitors. If you love Glock go for it, it won't do you wrong, but if you're looking for pocket carry you can't beat the LCP, all considered, including price in this comparison.

Can anyone tell me what parts are interchangeable between a 96 and 92? I was led to believe that a 96 is just a 92 in 40s&w...
I've been googling around but if any anons could point me in the right direction that'd be swell.

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>>33989974
So your main argument is because I trigged you and used the G word and the fact that it's $100 more than an LCP? My god, you are a faggot.

Woah, enjoy those Ameriglo TCAPs for the LCP

Woah, enjoy those Trijicon HD's for the LCP

Woah, enjoy those Trijcon HD XR's for the Bodyguard

Sike, nobody makes any usable sights for those shitty guns. Sit down bitch

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>>33990032
Nah, my argument is that the guy basically said "I want something for pocket carry" and you come in and say "Here's a more expensive gun that's bigger that you probably can't pocket carry, but it's got aftermarket and is more reliable and better than every other .380 ever so it's okay."

>Sike, nobody makes any usable sights for those shitty guns. Sit down bitch
I considered saying something to that effect too, but eh, thanks for doing it for me?

Here's a cool technically Beretta gun for the topic, the father of the Px4.

>>33989602
I like berettas, but the pico is hot garbage.

>Make this shitty bait post yesterday
>Forget about it
>Come to /k/ today
>It's still front page

>>33982094
Oddly enough, the same "clamp on" style the made for the OG M9s, but it's not worth the effort for anyone to do that again

>>33983274
If anyone comes second it would be Barret, then maybe Kel-Tec. Ruger is the biggest with the best offerings, Barret is the best quality

>>33988997
I know you're just fishing for replies, but would you care to explain why the R51 is dead, their new pistol is practically unheard of an going for $300 on PSA, the R380 is a rebadge, the R1911s are completely the work of Para, the AR10s are someone else's work and not even the best, just geared towards hunters that don't know better and the "cheapo" shotguns/bolt guns which are their bread and butter are the most afflicted by the fuckups?

>>33989880
Call me back when customer service exists and small parts stop breaking. I wanted a 40L but there was a reason only STI bothered with them

>>33989935
>more reliable than every other .380
It's pretty damned reliable compared to ring or fire guns and 2-3 modern offerings. There are shitloads of .380s that are extremely reliable

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>>33990091
Ooh yess

>>33991234
Their small parts are made of pure dildonium and their CS is great... if you speak whatever kind of moon babble slovaks do...

But more seriously if you have links about the parts breakages id be interested so that i know what to keep an eye out for on mine

>>33990091
>>33991420
Wh-what is that? It's beautiful...

>>33990091
>>33991420
i'm seriously thinking about getting one. there was an 8000f that a pawn shop had but someone else bought it before i did. the next closest one i could find is like a 4 hour drive from me.

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>>33991420
Hell yeah

>>33991561
>>33991649
It's the Beretta 8000, now sold as the Stoeger Cougar. It was a semi-compact (With a more compact version) that was all-metal and had the original version of the Px4's rotating barrel. They look great, feel great in hand, haven't shot one, though. If it's anything like the pretty unique way the Px4 feels but with a little more weight, it's pretty great.

There was a police trade-in set at a shop near me a couple months back, a couple seemed like they had Inox finishes, too, if it wasn't just normal stainless. Dunno if Beretta did that. All of them were in .40 though, so I wasn't horribly interested. Still kind of regret passing them up, though.

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>>33991723
beretta made a few inox ones and their uber sexy. you tend to find the .40 and .45 ones more often too because of the police issued ones. sometimes you might even spot a 357 sig one. so fucking hard trying to find a 9mm though.

>>33988209
Speaking as someone who doesn't like Taurus, you're being ignorant if you refuse to get a PT92 just because you're planning to spend 500-600. For all intents and purposes, the PT92 IS a Beretta product, because it's made with old Beretta tooling on old Beretta machines IIRC. You know one thing the Hues at Taurus figured out that, somehow, the genius pastaniggers at Beretta couldn't? Slide mounted safety/decockers. That's some next level irony when you have a company making your gun arguably better than you do.

>>33991957
Meh, the whole frame mounted safety is definitely an improvement, but there's still that lol taurus level QC. Used beretta 92 derivatives aren't exactly expensive or uncommon either...

Frankly neither choice is really wrong

How does Ruger's LCR compare to the S&W 642 as far as a pocket snub goes?

>>33991561
>>33991649
There's an online store selling them in 9mm for $300

>>33992190
stoeger maybe not beretta

>>33991957
You do realize they originally had heel safeties, and that they have made ones with frame safeties, but the Italian Police specifically requested a slide safety. That wasn't some Brazilian brilliance or something.

>>33992168
According to some of the guys above, the default grip on the LCR doesn't carry very well in the pocket and you would need to spend money to change it.

>>33981910
underrated

>>33982016
Does someone famous use a green one? Or anime or whatever?

>>33984129
You faggots that hate Bill Ruger are super faggots. God damn I mean look into the situation.

>Assault Weapons Ban Coming
>Wants to ban assault rifles
>Wants to ban AKs and anything that looks like an AK
>Wants to ban anything looking like an M4
>Wants to ban basically tactical looking rifles with detachable mags
>Wants to limit mag capacity to 10 rounds

So Bill Ruger says "Hey, all of that is fucking dumb, it's not going to do anything, you're just banning cosmetics, instead of doing that just have a 10 round magazine capacity limit."

This fails, so what happens? 10 round magazine capacity limit, all above mentioned guns banned.

Ruger was trying to SAVE all those fucking guns at the expense of magazine capacity WHICH THEY WERE COMING AFTER ANYWAYS.

Then all you retards just start typing in all caps "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" when we live in the real world where your shit is infringed and we have to pick and choose our battles.

>>33987057
Taurus sucks.

>>33988543
When you say Ruger is cheaply made what are you talking about? Ruger's revolvers are regarded as some of the strongest and most reliable available.

>>33989905
>The gun cannot be dry fired, because dry fire will cause the firing pin to break despite the Pico being a centerfire gun.
It's not really "despite". You usually don't dry fire rimfire becuase the firepin with strike and peen the chamber, not becuase it'll break the firing pin.

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I actually really want a px4 compact carry, but I didn't have the dough for it when the latest rebate deal with going on. I'll just wait for the next one I guess. I can get one for 640 right now, but if there's a rebate it'll only be 565 (assuming they're sticking to the past rebates of 75 bucks)

I could just get the vanilla version for 390 though.

>>33983116
This.

Their guns are good...cheaply made, but made in America and are overbuilt. Their Revolvers are like the AKM of the revolver world. could be prettier but sold for hundreds cheaper while still having cold hammer forged barrels.

As for rifles the 10/22 moving to more plastic parts is kind of a bummer but almost everyone buys Kidd or some other aftermarket metal trigger pack just like how FN SCAR owners always buy the aluminum lower.

They are also accurate as fuck. Their triggers aren't Smith and Wesson amazing 70% of the time and I've seen some lemons with sloppy triggers but they can be glass breaking crisp from the factory in even the basic GP-100 line.

Mini-14's are not my favorite, but for some reason there is almost always a thread on /k/ everyday about Mini-14 owners farting in the general direction of AR-15 owners...whatever, you can buy Ruger AR-15's now and they are better and have more features than the Smith and Wesson M&P...honestly Smith and Wesson needs to just stick to revolvers. Their Semi Auto pistols are kind of "Meh" but M&P pistol owners will act like Chicago guys saying their pizza is the best in the world, while Glock/New Yorkers just say that their Pizza is better and leave it at that while the Chicago guy spergs out into autistic screeching.


Remember folks...ALL of the major gun companies have compromised or back stabbed the gun owners of America to Smith And Wesson to Ruger and Colt.

They all have shit track records of neutering their guns...Ruger is the only one to stop with internal locks on most of their product line up while Smiths still have Hillary holes, Springfield's have a mainspring lock and colt for the longest time did not sell full auto bolt carriers, had the lower modified to refuse full auto sears and they printed military and law enforcement only on their products...which I find worse than Ruger silly reminding you to read the manual.

>>33986436
Brigs are a bit stronger and are aesthetically pleasing in my opinion...berretta's having that little nub of barrel sticking out the end looks ugly to me.

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>>33981888
do I get pic related, the px4 or a 92fs variant and why?

>>33991723
those look like crap compared to >>33991420
typical turkshit

>>33989875
pls tell me that's not your hand

>>33989875
>match
>champion

>4 inch barrel

wew

>>33994142
It's meant for comps were service style revolvers are prevalent.

>>33994025
Rugers are cheaply made?

I just got a GP100, and it feels and shoots like a quality gun.

>>33994025
>Their guns are good...cheaply made
People concentrate on the investment casting aspect wayyy too much when it comes to Ruger, yet seem to forgive or ignore all the investment cast and MIM parts in other "name" brands. Also, why is it a good thing when the Germans "overbuild" a pistol, but a sign of shoddy craftsmanship when Ruger does it?

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>>33993977
640 is an amazing price without the rebate which they aren't doing anymore. I spent $740 for my first one and the second one I got with the rebate which is still processing.

Might take a Langdon class or two this year and the PX4 Compact Carry has a $50 off any of his 2017 classes.

>>33993825
See
>>33982157
I'm not s fan of slide safety

>>33995759

2 buddies of mine just took a langdon class and fucking loved it.

They are also Glock fans, but one has already bought a PX4 and the other is saving up for the compact one with all the extra goodies.

That class made them a believer in the PX4

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>>33996310
Check out Mastermind Tactic's holsters they make for the PX4. Just got them in after they had a promo for the mag carrier, holster and wedge for $50.

They really are underrated and it's a ridiculously flat shooting gun.