Why are Soviet/Russian helicopters fuck huge?

>>33976460
Why are american copters so tiny weeny? Because their weak greedy capitalist! You get third of a copter for twenty times the prize!

Russia builds big with less greed. Russia Strong!

>>33976460
Literally the same but coaxial rotors + more armor

>>33976460
Russians are big guys

Probably because Russia is fuckhueg with shitty or plain non-existent roads.

The US built a coast-to-coast interstate system to quickly move material around, the Russians built a wide variety of helicopters in vast quantities. Considering Russia's history of getting invaded, it probably wasn't a bad idea to leave the roads shitty.

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Russia loves multi role helicopters. Almost everything helicopter has to be adaptable to multiple mission payloads. Hell even the Mi-28 has a fucking passenger compartment for downed pilots. The American alternative was to strap those unlucky bastards to the outside

>>33976460
Got one of these images for fixed-wing aircraft?
Russia builds all its aircraft big.

>>33976460
>Skycrane
the fuck is that

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>Got to wander around a flightline in where a civie mi-6 was
>Got to take some amazing shots of it's half drunk crew playing a retarded indoor soccer game inside the thing with cigars hanging out of their mouths
>Got shown around the thing by one of the pilots
Lost all those images when my laptop died

>>33976460
The AH-56 Cheyenne was an aesthetic bird

>>33976641
It's your own fault for not posting them here for posterity

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>>33976683
That thought has crossed my mind as well.
I even had a good shot of the cockpit that had a half empty vodka bottle in it.
>WHY NOT DRINK? YOU FLY ALL DAY? IS FUCKING BORING
Those guys were irl Ivan Chesnokovs

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>>33976614
It's supposed to be a construction/ cargo plane

It gives me a deep sense of unease.

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must be multi-role and no roads
mi26 that big, because it had to carry ballistic missiles.

>>33976732
It does look like a big dragon fly.

>>33976710
Well your memories of them will live on.

>>33976733
People tend to forget how Russia is for the most part still wilderness with very few if any roads.

It's both a advantage and a serious problem for defense as well. Makes it harder for invade but makes protecting it also a logistical nightmare.

>>33976460
I wonder if the Russians were any closer to a nuclear helicopter than us.

>>33976641
I don't suppose that was Kandahar Air Field?

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>>33976707
for you

>>33976781
No idea, but if i had to guess I'd say if some obscure OKB even started making plans for something like that it didn't go far down the development line. Reactors and shielding are heavy, it was problematic enough to get it done for planes

Shitty infrastructure, more or less, oh, and if you thought Operation Red Wings was bad, the Russians have got that beaten by a mile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Khankala_Mi-26_crash

>On 19 August 2002, Chechen separatist fighters with a Russian-made 9K38 Igla shoulder-fired, heat-seeking surface-to-air missile hit an overloaded Mil Mi-26 heavy transport helicopter, causing it to crash-land and burn at Khankala military air base near Chechnya's capital city of Grozny. The helicopter was ferrying at least 140 soldiers and officers belonging to various units from the Russian Air Force base at Mozdok, Republic of North Ossetia–Alania.

Basically, it was pretty rough....

>According to Pavel Felgenhauer, "The missile hit one of the engines as the Mi-26 was approaching Khankala, and the helicopter crash-landed in a minefield that made up part of the federal military headquarters' perimeter defenses. Some of the survivors, attempting to abandon the wrecked Mi-26, are reported to have been killed by 'friendly' anti-personnel mine explosions." The interior of the helicopter flooded with fuel and its jammed doors could not be opened. Only the crew of five and 29 passengers managed to escape through the small cockpit exit hatch. At least four of surviving soldiers died over the next few days from severe burns.

>>33977089
That was a bad for all of humanity.

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When Apache can keep up with one of these then it will no longer be a fucking pos.

>>33977106

Everybody remembers the Kursk sinking, but more people died at Khankala, and it is barely mentioned at all. Absolutely tragic.

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>>33976707
...For hue.

>>33977132
Its a disaster on a different scale. An mi26 is no second strike platform

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>>33976460
Because reasons.

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>yo dawg I heard you like helicopters
>so we put a helicopter on your helicopter so you can helicopter while you helicopter

>>33976460
Huge like the motherland.

>>33977245
So it was because they had a limited stock of weapons and crew capable of using them.

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>>33977264
I heard schizophrenics have distorted comprehension of cause/effect relationships. Are you a schizophrenic?

>>33977280
>>33977245
I need this for wargame: red dragon

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In a country where proper roads are a thing of dreams things still need to move.
Mi26, Mi10.

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Small, far away.

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>>33977320

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>>33977344

>>33977297
True

The game most certainly lacks true long range missile artillery, which one of the strong points of warpact nations, althought it would be a bit hard to include; they were basically erector platforms with one missile mounted and two in a truck nearby with as much as 40km of range.

Another thing wargame lacks are tactical nukes, since they radically solve the problem of urban assaults for good, and generally, any sneaky command vehicle in a sector.

But I guess they would be even harder to balance and implement, unless the only winning move is not to play of course.


Also, they should add Spain and Italy, but since they moved to their WWII project now we will never see Spanish or Italian decks.

>>33976460
Different doctrine.

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>>33977356
>>33977356
>they were basically erector platforms with one missile mounted and two in a truck nearby with as much as 40km of range
Not necessarily, pic related.

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Empire Test Pilots School.

>>33977403


Uh?

Its a BM series, wikipedia only says this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-25_(MRL)


Isn't the BM series suposed to fit another role different from the FROGs(aka 9k52 or 2k6)

>>33976542
>not wanting to ride on the outside of a helicopter

>>33976477
>>33976477
>>33976477
>>33976477

>>33977484

>4 (yous)

Now I feel a 5% more inteligent, thank you sir you just gave me the necessary self confidence for the rest of the day.

Have another you.

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>>33977438
Idk, it might have had BM-25 designation at some point during its development, but it seems to be extremely obscure, so wiki is bullshitting you. The system is regarded as a "2K5 Korshun tactical missile complex" alongside 2K1 Mars, 2K4 Filin and 2K6 Luna. The idea behind the project was to create a system that combines the firepower and the area effect of MRLS and the range of tactical missiles.

>>33976641

If you still have that laptop, you can get the hard drive out of the thing and plug it in your PC.

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>>33976542

>>33978029
i'd pay to do that

>>33978054
That was when some Royal Marines assaulted a heavily defended compound that was believed to be an entrance to a major tunnel network. The platoon attacked, took out the Taliban and secured the compound, and then exfil'd in vehicles. When they got back they realised they were missing 2 guys, checked a drone feed and saw two bodies in the wadi; the blokes from their section basically ordered an apache pilot at gunpoint to take them back in, hence why theyre sat on the sides. They went in and got their lads bodies out of there by clipping them to the bottom of the apache.

>>33976460
>Why are Soviet/Russian helicopters fuck huge?
>Gunships and a small-medium lift helos are the same size
Am I missing something?

>>33976460

vatnik has big dick

>>33978228
no
op is a troll

>>33976460
Insufficient road/rail network and airfields.

Russia is huge, and consequently everything is proportionally bigger there. True fact: Putin is actually 18 feet tall.

Being a helicopter, Mi-26 has slightly larger payload than C-130.

In 2008 China's Sichuan Earthquake, It was used to airdrop excavator and other heavy machineries to the ground-zero mountain areas to dredge the landslide dams. Saved thousands of people downstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MzhJWPOGIQ

>>33979511
>Saved thousands of people downstream.
Just why? It's not like the chinks were an endangered species...

>>33976477
For you....

>>33979868
rebuilding binds up ressources that could otherwise be used to skin dogs alive, kill integral parts of the ecosystem or finding new ways to poison rivers

>>33977122
Does Russia not have weed eaters/edgers? Every time I see one of these outdoor park pics, The grass is ass deep.

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You mean why are American helicopters so tiny? because americans are manlets. russian men are taller by average of 10 cm, puny americans are pathetic

>>33980152
that thing probably stood there without anyone taking care of it for 2 decades. Just like that Tu144 (soviet concorde equivalent) that's rotting away in some backyard

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>>33979900
>finding new ways to poison rivers

glass houses

>>33980174
that was the water supply for a ghetto, lead poisoning would hardly make the people there more stupid

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>>33980170
>Tu144 (soviet concorde equivalent) that's rotting away in some backyard
Nigga you what.

>>33980164

lol, with the clearly photoshopped image

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>>33980214
all airframes deserve that treatment, not just a lucky few

>>33980164
This bait doesn't check out. The average Russian is 177.2 cm tall. The average American male, when excluding non-whites, is 178.2 cm tall. If you include others, like Asians, they bring the height average down to 176.4 cm. Nowhere near your mythical 10 cm difference. So, nice try, Ivan, you Northern Hobbit.

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>>33980228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFjvMjzBNg
>Yay, time for another annual check!
>People will visit me again, I'm always so excited!
>Maybe this year I will be needed
>Guys, see? I'm a but dusty, but I still function
>Maybe a couple test flights this time?
>Couple cargo deliveries? What if someone out there needs something to be delivered fast? Anything? No?
>They're going away
>Again
>I'm so lonely
>Maybe the next year...
I never asked for this feel.

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>>33980402
personified airframes/space vessels like that make me more sad than almost all movies can. There's something incredibly depressing about cutting edge technology, marvels of engineering, being left to rot

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>>33980472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxqi3OIS0U
Good news thought, it seems like the aforementioned one from Kazan is about to undergo repairs and is to turn into a museum piece for kids. He will never feel lonely anymore ;_;

>>33976460
because russkies like to build sexy planes.

look at practically any of those helicopters. does it look sexy? check the name. and tell me helicopter sexiness does not correlate with country of origin.

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>>33980568
>Good news thought, it seems like the aforementioned one from Kazan is about to undergo repairs and is to turn into a museum piece for kids. He will never feel lonely anymore ;_;
MFW there is a little good for all of us out there

>>33980143
I can no longer unsee the googly eyes and the mouse.

>>33980174
>still caused by socialists

>>33976733
How in the name of God a Labrador went to Russia?

Poor dog, look at his face.

>>33976542
>Getting to ride on the outside of an attack heli
>Unlucky
I'd purposely crash just to do that.

>>33980402
Wasn't this thing a horrible flight risk because of the way the frame was machined from long pieces that would let fatigue cracks spread the entire length of those pieces? I mean supersonic passenger planes are a really cool idea but this thing is terrifying, especially since the soviets knew the risks and still pushed it into service.

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>>33982491
It's the first time I hear about this. The reasons T-144 didn't enjoy long service life were mainly economical.
>I mean supersonic passenger planes are a really cool idea
They really are not, otherwise we'd have more than just two decommissioned projects by now. It's the same story with Space Shuttle and Buran. They're all beautiful endeavours, but from the practical point of view they are utterly useless.

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>>33981576
>Russia is another planed, Russian don't own dogs
>This dog's face is somehow bad
That's pretty russophobe of you.

>>33978029
>>33978196
It was one dude that was missing. He got knocked out and left behind.
The enemy camp was never secured and swarming with Taliban.
The two in the picture were picked up from their camp to help drag the unconscious body to the chopper so they can sling load him back.
There were 2 Apaches and 4 royal marines that went in. And one apache flying overhead providing air cover.
Apperently the cover Apache had completely depleted their ammunition trying to fight off the Taliban. For the first time in Apache history, they were Winchester in combat.

The whole thing is in Ed Macy's book "Apache".
It was the first time the Apache was used for a real combat rescue mission. Under fire too. But command was extremely pissed, because they risked 2 £35 million apaches. They broke all kinds of regulations, and were out of fuel on landing back at their base. One of them taxied up with only one engine running.

>>33980164
Those are Poles, first of all, and while there is an non-photoshopped image of a couple of Polish MPs being way higher than their American counterparts, which seems to have sparked this manlet Ameripoors meme, it was just two really high dudes who happened to stand next to two really short ones, could easily have been other way around.

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>>33980164

then how do you explain Russian tanks?

>>33976542
>>33982159
as a former soldier in a very cool apache bn. I can tell you that being strapped to the outside of an apache is the best thrill ride on the planet.

>>33976460
>Why are Soviet/Russian helicopters fuck huge?
So they can lift heavy things and be built with lots of armor you weak-ass pussy.

>>33980164

>The quality of life in Russia is so bad that the Russians themselves are lower resolution than people from other countries

>>33983972
How do you manage to get strapped to one?

>>33976460

I dunno that you can generalize like that. The Mi-6, Mi-26, the frankenmonster prototype are huge, but the Pave Low is larger than most other helicopters on that chart (and it is a fucking sweet chart, btw, thanks. Reminds of books I used to have when I was younger)

It even appears to be bigger than the Hind, which most people think of as being pretty big.

Now I'm imagining the Pave Low being outfitted like a Hind and being used for the same role and painted in sweet cold war camo

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because russians have to compensate for their tiny feminine penises

>>33983885
their newest tank is larger than the abrams

>>33984596
I missed the tank olympics, what are the specs?

Because collectivist societies suppress innovation.

>>33980375
>>33983867
>taking the bait
Fucking hate newfags

>>33982589
>it's not a cool idea because they're not practical
You have a very sad understanding of "cool."